I'm not saying that. But you should read wiki article you linked. Ataturk isn't responsible for any of mentioned genocides. He came to power after that happened.
I never said that Ataturk commited those genocides :?
he just gave the orders
Article 142 of the 1920 Treaty of Sèvres, prepared after the first World War, called the Turkish regime "terrorist" and contained provisions "to repair so far as possible the wrongs inflicted on individuals in the course of the massacres perpetrated in Turkey during the war."[54] The Treaty of Sèvres was never ratified by the Turkish government and ultimately was replaced by the Treaty of Lausanne. That treaty was accompanied by a "Declaration of Amnesty", without containing any provision in respect to punishment of war crimes.From what I've read and saw, 90% of governments during any ongoing civil wars just put down most of the foreign pacts and treaties, so its not a surprise for me that they denied signing the first one. And no one likes to pay war reparations, if it wasn't even a full war. But that they offered them an Amnesty? What the fuck
In 1916, Emanuel Efendi, a Ottoman deputy, said that "550,000 Greeks... were killed."They acknowledge the killings, but they don't agree to call them genocides, is that the reason you're making those threads Panos? Because if you just expect some arguments other than "I don't care lol" from the turks, don't expect it :lol:
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Oh god lol :lol:it is written by turk
it is written by turk
who is actually a kurt(click to show/hide)
Greek killed Troy's people by a trick. That's not fair man!
...still searching for the point of this thread.
Are you retarded?? The troy war never happened, although Troy did exist in Turkey, the war never happened.
Is that a historical fact?
The Greek literally invented butthurt but then weren't in the political position to do anything bad for centuries. I am sure they would have loved to though. History put them at the receiving end - who knows what they would have done if they have had the opportunity to.
Aaand, since no member of the one, true, pure and GLORIOUS Greek master race has ever has done anything bad it couldn't possibly have happened right?
The Greek literally invented butthurt but then weren't in the political position to do anything bad for centuries. I am sure they would have loved to though. History put them at the receiving end - who knows what they would have done if they have had the opportunity to. Turks would spam the forum about those atrocities and Panos would call them little sissies for complaining about it.
If Greeks were in political position that could do major changes, chances are that the world would be a lot better than it is now.
I do not want to justify any of these actions and I also do not want to say that the Greeks are a nation of potential mass murderers. All I want to say is that there are no "good" peoples and "bad" peoples. There are just good and bad men.Yes. But Turks are more good. İslam is peace religion.
[...]If Greeks were in political position that could do major changes, chances are that the world would be a lot better than it is now.Considering that you can't even keep your own country running, I don't even wanna image what could happen if Greece had the power to influence all of Europe.
Sorry buddy, but from 2000 bc and up until 1450, Greeks were the only ones who did revolutionary things.Yea, fuck all the high cultures that existed in that timeframe!
And yes, I strongly believe that if Greeks were in a more powerful position, the world would be 10 times better. I don`t support that because I`m a Greek, I support this because history proves that Greeks invented all major things in this world.
Hell, chances are that, if it weren`t the Greeks, most European countries would still have monarchy .
Ronin : Please tell me that you are joking..
Ronin : Please tell me that you are joking..Fuke you Gayreek
Considering that you can't even keep your own country running, I don't even wanna image what could happen if Greece had the power to influence all of Europe.
Probably we would be all hunting pigeons in the street as food... :D
Yea, fuck all the high cultures that existed in that timeframe!
Because there were Greek monarchies and oligarchies.
Sorry buddy, but from 2000 bc and up until 1450, Greeks were the only ones who did revolutionary things.
And yes, I strongly believe that if Greeks were in a more powerful position, the world would be 10 times better. I don`t support that because I`m a Greek, I support this because history proves that Greeks invented all major things in this world.
Hell, chances are that, if it weren`t the Greeks, most European countries would still have monarchy .
They invented the democracy and revolutionary ideas which made them to the most advanced thinkers of ancient times. Anyway you shouldn't see democracy as an invention which didn't find its way up to Europe in the Middle Age and thus never happened there. It was rather the position the people were situated in which made a Revolution not possible yet. You can't compare Greece with other Europe states of the MA, the religion made progresses not possible there, "the King was chosen by god". I want to say that different situations lead to different developements. But don't say things the Greeks invented the democracy, without that invention there would be still monarchies. Democracy is a natural progress in history which is based on the willingness of people to make a change.
We used to be awesome.
Now I have to tell everyone else what we used to be cuz it's just a huge pile of crap today :cry:
I`m sick and tired of all those anti-nationalist idiots all around Europe
USA: Constitution
UK: BNP
Germany: Freedom
Israel: National Union
Canada: Christian Heritage
Australia: Family First
Denmark: Danish People's Party
Italy: Tricolour Flame
Russia: National Democratic Alliance (nazdem.info)
France: National Front
Ireland: Sinn Fein
Switzerland: SVP
Austria: FPO/FPK
Sweden: Sweden Democrats
Estonia: Estonian Independence
Netherlands: Party for Freedom
Poland: National Revival (for the lulz)
Spain: Republican Social Movement
New Zealand: New Zealand First
Greece: Golden Dawn (just because of mining)
Finland: True Finns
Taiwan: Kuomintang
Serbia: Serbian Radical Party
Belgium: Vlaams Belang
Portugal: National Renovator
Ukraine: Svoboda
Bulgaria: ATAKA
Slovenia: Slovenian National
Czech Republic: National Party
Croatia: Croatian Party of Rights
Romania: Greater Romania Party
Lebanon: Kataeb
Final confirmation that the Swiss are chocolate chip cookies!!111
Foreigners constitute 63% of Greece’s prison inmates
The fact that on January 1st, 2013 foreigners constituted 63% of the inmates in Greek prisons is another indication of the link between illegal immigration and serious crime.
If Panos was clever he would mention ONE OF the real gifts the Greek(apart from butthurt) gave to the world: scientific method as a philosophical foundation.
I`m proud for my country`s history, something that you Germans will never have :wink:
Edit for Cas: Magna Carta was signed in the 13th Century, Greeks had democracy for over 15 centuries :lol:
If I remember history class correctly, the Attic democracy excluded women, Slaves and Metics (μετοίκων) from the benefits of democracy. Not all that perfect, don't you think?
Democracy is a progress in history which is based on the way Athenians used to live. Even the word Democracy is Greek, so please don`t try to tell me that democracy was something that would occur natural to the rest of Europe.
I`m proud for my country`s history, something that you Germans will never have :wink:
Uh-uh... those austrians ain't taking crediit for that!
Time to make a thread about the Rwandan genocide? Belgs putting two groups of people against each other, shit's hit the fan and hutus starts massacring tutsis. The west don't give a fuck, France even depart some soldiers to help the hutu-regime slaughtering a whole people, in the war against communism, and well, France sold weapons to the Hutu-regime. 800k people, alot of women and children hacked to pieces with machetes, the conflict arose from the makings of European nations since the colonial times. And well, UN could have saved alot those civilians but wth, they're only africans, why would we give a fuck eh?
yea, yea... Greece is actually awesome and it's everyone else's fault, namely and especially Germany, that the place is a dump now.
Is that what you're trying to say, Panos?
And I actually know a few reasons to be "technically" proud of Germany, like being world wide the first country with social and health insurances. Or some of the most important artists in the world being German (Goethe, Schiller, Brahms, Bach, Mozart). Or some of the most important scientists in the world like Einstein, Zuse, Junkers, Daimler and Benz, Reis, Diesel and the discoverer of book pressing Gutenberg... and list goes on and on.
Granted there are like 15 to 20 years which were really bad. Other than that, Germany is pretty awesome and if you'd make a list, Germany would easily beat Greece when it comes to the importance of discoveries.
I just choose to not be proud cuz I think the whole idea of "Nationality" is garbage. I consider myself Human... keep being Greek and live in the past of you like. I choose to be here and now.
I'm again trying to make a reasonable argument though quotes like the one above should teach me better.
German history does not solely exist of the twelve years between 1933 and 1945, you know. It's obvious that those years were the darkest episode of German history and no German with at least a little bit of brains would feel "pride" for these years (feeling pride for something that can absolutely not be influenced by yourself like being born in this or that country is a bit weird in my eyes anyway). But this does not mean that Germans have achieved nothing at all.
What Casimir wanted to state was that the English form of Democracy was developing completely INDEPENTLY from the Attic democracy. It came around 1500 years later, so what?
If I remember history class correctly, the Attic democracy excluded women, Slaves and Metics (μετοίκων) from the benefits of democracy. Not all that perfect, don't you think?
Edit: I do regard myself as a German patriot. I kinda "love" my country but still respect other people and their patriotism, too. A nationalist in my eyes however has a chauvinistic view on the world ("my country is the best - all others are pieces of shit"). Maybe that'S just the difference between us...
Germans have had, starting from the middle ages to this day, ūber military technology and tradition - and at times they've even used it. English actually made an empire, that spanned the world. Italians are somewhat related to Romans, right? Russkies had the entire western world scared of the Red. Balts occupied most of north-eastern Europe and remained the last free pagan people in Europe. French revolution brought the ideas of enlightenment throughout Europe, as they kicked the asses of everyone around them. I'm sure the spanish did some things too.
Yes, greeks are surely the only ones with any history. Except you've been pretty much out of the picture for the last couple thousand years.
[...]You can claim as much as you want, doesn't make the statement correct, mate.
...but it`s my right to claim that Greece has/had the greatest history of this world.
You want to go this way? Well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_inventions_and_discoveriesGerman inventions
Your list is looking very little compared to that.
You want to go this way? Well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_inventions_and_discoveries
Your list is looking very little compared to that.