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Title: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 18, 2013, 02:41:44 am
Assuming level 31-34, what is the best way you can make a shielder?

Vote and give your opinion.

This isn't for me. I'm just curious what people believe is their ideal 1h.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: JackieChan on May 18, 2013, 03:04:05 am
If you are going pure 1h, i suggest the following build:
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You can play around with IF, Wm and shield, just min max PS and athletics
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 18, 2013, 03:13:00 am
If you are going pure 1h, i suggest the following build:
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You can play around with IF, Wm and shield, just min max PS and athletics

This isn't for me. It's a general question of what's the best(IYO) shield build.

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Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Matey on May 18, 2013, 03:32:09 am
You have no idea how insulted I am at all these lame strength crutch shield builds you propose are the "best"

at 32~ you should be 15-24!

p.s. my goal for 34 is

18 str
24 agi

6PS
8shield
8ath
8wm

140 1h and 130 xbow (cause i like getting kdr in strat)

you could easily put it all into 1h or lower WM 1-2 and drop xbow. any extra points can be IF i guess.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 18, 2013, 03:51:07 am
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I believe that will be best 1h, specially for strat.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Taser on May 18, 2013, 04:14:32 am
If you are going pure 1h, i suggest the following build:
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You can play around with IF, Wm and shield, just min max PS and athletics

This.

I did love my 24/18 build as well though.

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Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Kalam on May 18, 2013, 04:25:21 am
12/27 FOREEEEEEEEEEEEEVER. 15/24, actually. Ugh, alright, I admit, they kinda suck these days. Still fun, though.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Equal on May 18, 2013, 05:36:24 am
I think 21/15 is a great build for 1h cav. You can throw in some polearm wpf if you wanted:

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This is what I would use but I prefer to be nimble. And always in most builds, the choice between how much IF/WM is all preference.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Tanken on May 18, 2013, 05:40:38 am
24-18 is really good, Taser is right.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Matey on May 18, 2013, 05:51:00 am
filthy strength shielders! man up and crutch on your speed and your shield instead, like a manly agi shielder does!
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: ArysOakheart on May 18, 2013, 06:38:12 am
Well when you use neckbeard weapons, of course you don't need much strength. As a peasant, however, you will need 24 str to not glance off all the filthy heavy armor try hards. So I suggest 24-15
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Matey on May 18, 2013, 06:45:10 am
Well when you use neckbeard weapons, of course you don't need much strength. As a peasant, however, you will need 24 str to not glance off all the filthy heavy armor try hards. So I suggest 24-15

You question my weapon choices?! I'll have you know I despise the steel pick and the (elite) scimitar! Those are the weapons of knaves! it is only forgiveable to use them in strat if you didn't buy them! Real agi shielders use axes and stabby swords!
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Falka on May 18, 2013, 08:05:10 am
filthy strength shielders! man up and crutch on your speed and your shield instead, like a manly agi shielder does!

With mail shirt with fur (new kuyak) and light shield (up to 6 kg) 6 ath is just enough to be "fast", while 7-8 PS let u be effective in strat which is full of tincans. That's why for lvl 33-35 24-18 is my choice.

21-21 is nice build as well, maybe even better for pure shielder, but since I play mostly without shield 7 ath would be waste of points, 1h no shield doesnt need so much ath in my opinion.

Oh, and I think that anything more than 4-5 (depends which shields u want to use) shield skill is pretty useless :P In battle (Eu1) if I dont meet shield breakers my +3 elite cav basically never breaks.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 18, 2013, 10:09:49 pm
must be nice on EU.

Lots of shield breakers on NA.

New nudge is nice now. Break your shield use your nudge!
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: BaleOhay on May 18, 2013, 10:38:00 pm
when I hit 34 I will be 24-18

I have tried them all and this is what I think is the best for mys tyle of fighting.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: EyeBeat on May 18, 2013, 11:07:00 pm
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Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: EyeBeat on May 18, 2013, 11:07:57 pm
You question my weapon choices?! I'll have you know I despise the steel pick and the (elite) scimitar! Those are the weapons of knaves! it is only forgiveable to use them in strat if you didn't buy them! Real agi shielders use axes and stabby swords!

You lost my respect when you started riding those beasts....
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Matey on May 19, 2013, 01:11:35 am
You lost my respect when you started riding those beasts....

I only did one quick gen with a horse! and I changed my name! and did almost entirely strat battles for it! You filthy strength crutcher! D:
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Malaclypse on May 19, 2013, 01:14:43 am
I went 18/24 because I wanted to get Polearm and 2h prof in addition to 1h, for variety (it's still not enough, I need 10 WM really). Probably my ideal dedicated 1h prof build would be 24/24 (level 36) or 21/24 (33-35), though I'm definitely with Matey and Kalam on the 8+ athletics front.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Erzengel on May 19, 2013, 01:26:35 am
I am using 18/24 at the moment and it is awesome.

Level 32:

4 Iron Flesh
6 Power Strike
8 Athletics
5 Shield
0 Weapon Master

102 One Handed
61 Polearm

Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: dreadnok on May 20, 2013, 05:51:42 pm
30 str
9 agi

0 ath
10 PS
10 if
3 shield
1 wm
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 20, 2013, 06:11:09 pm
I'd say 21/18 at level 30, 24/18 at 33.

Level 30:
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Level 33:
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Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on May 20, 2013, 09:05:02 pm
Generally I like higher ath, mainly because you can freely choose where to engage and choose more risky paths (= not go with main blob). Also cav. Then again 1h really is more fun with 7-8 PS.

So at the moment I say 24/15 (my current shielder) or 24/18 if you can.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Moncho on May 20, 2013, 09:38:20 pm
I have not yet decided, and never been over 31, but the ones I have had the most fun with are 12/24 some 6 months ago, and 21/18 lately.
Getting a short weapon and outreaching greatswords has always been my favourite playstyle, dancing in their faces and back out, and the 12/24 build does that perfectly.

However, lately I have had internet and computer issues that make my fps and ping suffer, so I am lately going for the more forgiving 21/18. I have strangely not liked any other build in between, lacking damage, which I worked around with the 12/24 with speed bonus.
Never played much strat, found it a gank fest.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Taser on May 20, 2013, 10:57:33 pm
I have not yet decided, and never been over 31, but the ones I have had the most fun with are 12/24 some 6 months ago, and 21/18 lately.
Getting a short weapon and outreaching greatswords has always been my favourite playstyle, dancing in their faces and back out, and the 12/24 build does that perfectly.

However, lately I have had internet and computer issues that make my fps and ping suffer, so I am lately going for the more forgiving 21/18. I have strangely not liked any other build in between, lacking damage, which I worked around with the 12/24 with speed bonus.
Never played much strat, found it a gank fest.

If you like 12/24. You should love 15/21. I have an alt with that that can have a shield but I'm just using him as a swashbuckler. You can make it 15/24 if you want though if you take out shield and riding.

I have a lot of fun with him.

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Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Matey on May 20, 2013, 11:15:49 pm
If you like 12/24. You should love 15/21. I have an alt with that that can have a shield but I'm just using him as a swashbuckler. You can make it 15/24 if you want though if you take out shield and riding.

I have a lot of fun with him.

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15/21 is no good. that 8th athletics makes all the difference.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Taser on May 20, 2013, 11:20:06 pm

15/21 is no good. that 8th athletics makes all the difference.

I do just fine with it. It does have an excess of skills if you want to remove things but I like it.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Moncho on May 20, 2013, 11:23:13 pm
What Matey says, I felt a big difference with 7 vs 8 athl, plus with 4 ps, I expected to do very little damage, and compensated with movement, but with 15/21 I felt like I lacked damage. I know it is a mental issue, since I did more damage most of the time, but that little damage was not worth it compared to the extra mobility for me.
Also, bucklers improve so much with shield skill, it lasted so much longer and covered arrows better with 8 shield, so with 7 I had to use elite cav and similar which slow you down even more
And my 12/24 was a backstabber, whereas with the 15/21 I had to stay with the main group much more often.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Haboe on May 20, 2013, 11:26:34 pm
My own...

lvl 34
21-21
7-7-7-7-1
sh-ath-wm-ps-if

Ofc, level 35-36 gets if maxed out
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Corsair831 on May 20, 2013, 11:35:53 pm
of all the builds i've tried i like my current build the best

Level 32:

18/21

One Handed:127
Polearm:127
Weapon Master:7
Athletics:7
Iron Flesh:2
Shield:7

But for that build you need light armour and a short 1h (~~ 97 and below) (the low 1h wpf and low powerstrike means using a long 1h is useless)

If you want to use a long 1h (nordic champion sword) however, you need more 1h WPF but less speed, meaning you can't really effectively hoplite, but you can wear more armour

 but if you wanted to do that i'd suggest a 21/18 build with ~~ 14-18 armour weight ...

i'd always put around ~~ 10-20% of my WPF points into polearm when going 1h, giving me some defence in the open against cavalry, but i'd dump the majority into 1h.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Taser on May 21, 2013, 12:20:15 am
What Matey says, I felt a big difference with 7 vs 8 athl, plus with 4 ps, I expected to do very little damage, and compensated with movement, but with 15/21 I felt like I lacked damage. I know it is a mental issue, since I did more damage most of the time, but that little damage was not worth it compared to the extra mobility for me.
Also, bucklers improve so much with shield skill, it lasted so much longer and covered arrows better with 8 shield, so with 7 I had to use elite cav and similar which slow you down even more
And my 12/24 was a backstabber, whereas with the 15/21 I had to stay with the main group much more often.

I haven't had that experience tbh. Its at most one extra hit than going higher like 18/21 or 21/18 but its still fast as hell and the build I put up has a ton of excess that can be moved around or converted if you want a 15/24.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Kafein on May 21, 2013, 01:07:29 am
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)

    Strength: 21
    Agility: 18
    Hit points: 64

    Converted: 8
    Ironflesh: 4
    Power Strike: 7
    Shield: 6
    Athletics: 6
    Riding: 0
    Horse Archery: 0
    Power Draw: 0
    Power Throw: 0
    Weapon Master: 0

    One Handed: 113
    Two Handed: 1
    Polearm: 1
    Archery: 1
    Crossbow: 1
    Throwing: 1

Using all +3 : elite spammitar, huscarl, light kuyak, vagina face, heavy gauntlets, splinted leather greaves over mail.

Anything else : for scrubs
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Havoco on May 21, 2013, 01:19:55 am
13 shield skill rock thrower.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 21, 2013, 01:32:18 am
of all the builds i've tried i like my current build the best

Level 32:

18/21

One Handed:127
Polearm:127
Weapon Master:7
Athletics:7
Iron Flesh:2
Shield:7

But for that build you need light armour and a short 1h (~~ 97 and below) (the low 1h wpf and low powerstrike means using a long 1h is useless)

If you want to use a long 1h (nordic champion sword) however, you need more 1h WPF but less speed, meaning you can't really effectively hoplite, but you can wear more armour

 but if you wanted to do that i'd suggest a 21/18 build with ~~ 14-18 armour weight ...

i'd always put around ~~ 10-20% of my WPF points into polearm when going 1h, giving me some defence in the open against cavalry, but i'd dump the majority into 1h.

That's one of the worst builds I've ever seen! JESUS H CHRIST!

2h, cav or xbow is the best shielder build.

24/15

7IF
8PS
3Shield
5 Ath
111 in 1h

@ 31
8IF
8PS
5Shield
5Ath
@35
9IF
9PS
5Shield
5Ath

You don't need wpf to poke a horse ffs.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Matey on May 21, 2013, 01:46:03 am
oh yeah. what weapon you use is really important if you are a high agi shielder. get a good axe/blunt or a sword with a good thrust. or if you are horribly lame you can use a steel pick or scimitar.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: NikMac on May 21, 2013, 01:52:24 am
Level:           31

Strength:        30
Agility:          9

Skill to attr:    6

Ironflash:        7
Power Strike:     10
Shield:           3
Athletics:        3
Weapon Master:    3

One Handed:     132
Or
Polearm: 132 (for hoplite)

U can lower str for 12 agi and more at shield/ath.
Best ever. More than 12 agi - gay agiwhore & deserve permaban. also, at that build I made 9 strat effectiveness prev. gen. Ofc build forcing to use lighter equip, but amount of HP can balance it.

P.s. Copy-pasting a bit fucked me earlier  :?
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: dreadnok on May 21, 2013, 03:03:09 am
ya nikmac not bad bud. i was always under the impression 1h even with a polearm is 1h prof? im dumb so i dont know
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Jarold on May 21, 2013, 03:06:35 am
of all the builds i've tried i like my current build the best

Level 32:

18/21

One Handed:127
Polearm:127
Weapon Master:7
Athletics:7
Iron Flesh:2
Shield:7

But for that build you need light armour and a short 1h (~~ 97 and below) (the low 1h wpf and low powerstrike means using a long 1h is useless)

If you want to use a long 1h (nordic champion sword) however, you need more 1h WPF but less speed, meaning you can't really effectively hoplite, but you can wear more armour

 but if you wanted to do that i'd suggest a 21/18 build with ~~ 14-18 armour weight ...

i'd always put around ~~ 10-20% of my WPF points into polearm when going 1h, giving me some defence in the open against cavalry, but i'd dump the majority into 1h.

No PS :O
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: LordLargos on May 21, 2013, 04:49:21 am
I am going to have to go with my current lvl 31:24 15 build, If went to 34: 24 18(tried 18 18, 21 15, and 21 18)
1hand's lack of damage needs to be made up for with high ps sadly this means you can't make up for the lack of mobility due to the heavy shield (7.5 weight) until 34.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Vodner on May 21, 2013, 08:37:33 am
No PS :O
That build leaves 6 points free, so presumably he just forgot to list his powerstrike.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: NuberT on May 21, 2013, 10:26:23 am
1h+Shield on EU siege is super easy-mode, often make it on top of scoreboard without much practise as a shielder..

Using STF char with:
18/21
One Handed:146
Weapon Master:5
Athletics:7
Shield:5
Powerstrike:6
while using swords

and
15/24
One Handed:146
Weapon Master:5
Athletics:8
Shield:5
Powerstrike:5
while using maces and picks
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: rustyspoon on May 21, 2013, 01:37:48 pm
After years of playing 1-h, I always come back to 18/21. 1h just performs better with more athletics. Due to the low initial damage of 1-h and the percentile-based damage increases, they don't get much of a boost for stacking strength. You'll always be outperformed by 2h and pole damage-wise. With increased agi, you can overcome the weight penalty by your shield, easily outrange slower shielders and more easily dodge kicks. With higher shield skill, you become practically invulnerable from the front. Speed bonus combined with held attacks easily overcomes any slight damage reduction you have from lower PS.

Consequently, 15/24 is also a hilariously good build especially with a good knockdown weapon.

Since we're doing level 34 builds:

Strength: 18
Agility: 21
Hit points: 61
Converted: 0
Ironflesh: 4
Power Strike: 6
Shield: 7
Athletics: 7
Riding: 7
Weapon Master: 4
One Handed: 145

Adjust IF, WM and WPF to taste.

You can take some solid hits, (though you should only be hit from behind) your shield will almost never break and you can ride an arabian. Not too shabby.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Gurnisson on May 21, 2013, 04:08:06 pm
Everything with 6 athletics more. I almost cry when I lose my horse on my 21/15 1h cav STF :lol:
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Ronin on May 21, 2013, 04:17:25 pm
27/12 is surprisingly good with heavy armor.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Michael on May 21, 2013, 04:18:26 pm
My favorite dedicated shielder build (level 30) is 12 strength 4 power strike, 24 agility 8 athletics 8 weapon master (all 1h) 8 shield

Its a good build to explore the field on your own.

I quite often manage to 'dodge' horsemen and can take out archers.

With my leather armor and ankle boots I sometimes even manage to run away from a tincan-gangbang-squad. Sometimes. Haha.

Also, if you care about scoreboard, its a good build. For every successfull hit on an enemy you apparently get some scoreboard-points.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Mlekce on May 21, 2013, 04:27:45 pm
tried 18/21 build,it is nice but 18/18 6 wm is better.

lvl 31

Str: 18
Agility:18

One Handed:156
Weapon Master:6
Athletics:6
Riding:5
Iron Flesh:4
Shield:5
Power Strike:6

You can spend these riding points to some attribute one or get throwing,more IF or whatever,it is pretty good build.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Corsair831 on May 21, 2013, 06:50:20 pm
No PS :O

forgot to list the powerstrike, 6 powerstrike
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: TR_Ragnarok on May 21, 2013, 07:04:47 pm
This is my Build.

currently level 28

24 (this will be 27)
12

Iron Flesh-3
Power Strike-8 (9)
Athletics-4
Shield-4
Weapon mastery-4

Wpf: is 135 should be 138 by level 30
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Kafein on May 21, 2013, 07:13:04 pm
Yeah, this is what we plan to do.

Fair point, although if we had this conversation the day the wpf rework was first announced, I think in retrospect going for the build I suggested would have been a good idea.

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Edit : okay it wasn't really "announced"
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Rebelyell on May 21, 2013, 07:15:21 pm
Fair point, although if we had this conversation the day the wpf rework was first announced, I think in retrospect going for the build I suggested would have been a good idea.

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you just really wanted to post that gif, right?
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Kafein on May 21, 2013, 07:18:16 pm
you just really wanted to post that gif, right?

Yes
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 21, 2013, 11:37:55 pm
Interesting. 24-15 and the "Other" are the two most popular.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: EyeBeat on May 22, 2013, 08:39:44 am
Interesting. 24-15 and the "Other" are the two most popular.

Soon it will be 27-15 once I get there.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Matey on May 22, 2013, 08:41:26 am
Soon it will be 27-15 once I get there.

pretty sure you mean 15-27. that is a real build.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: EyeBeat on May 22, 2013, 10:33:23 am
pretty sure you mean 15-27. that is a real build.

Don't you have a xbow to reload?
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on May 22, 2013, 09:08:34 pm
21-15 is best because you can be a cav/infantry hybrid, AND you get to know that you have the same build as Daruvian... and if I can slap shit around with it, why couldn't you?
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: sF_Guardian on May 22, 2013, 09:19:31 pm
24/15 on lvl 30 is my favourite build.
Never used weapon master on my onehander builds and never missed it
so maxing out the rest is my aim on my onehander alt.
Also use this build for hoplite and piker builds.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Orodreth on May 23, 2013, 01:48:32 pm
I tried 24/15 21/18 using swords and then I joined the 15/24 master race using a steel pick.

I will add this for any new players:

Mold your spec around the weapon you wish to use. Shorter pierce/blunt weapons require less PS to be effective thus allowing you to go more agi based (i.e. more mobility) and longer cut weapons give you more reach (this is invaluable in the big melee situations, though just about every other 2H/Polearm melee weapon will out range you anyway). Pierce/Blunt weapons, I believe, are better for the smaller melee situations.

I have a question for you all. As a 15/24 spec... Steel Pick or Warhammer?
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Kafein on May 23, 2013, 04:34:11 pm
Warhammer is better because knockdown
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 23, 2013, 04:39:25 pm
Knockdown/Blunt beats pierce any day.

Free hits are better.
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: dreadnok on May 23, 2013, 06:54:24 pm
Knockdown/Blunt beats pierce any day.

Free hits are better.

Free hits turn into a death trap for you by hungry teammates. So many swing thru on the ground as well. When I go 36-3 shielder I can 2 shot plate users. Its murderific
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: dreadnok on May 23, 2013, 06:56:04 pm
On a side note. Does hoplite use 1h or pole arm proficiency? I know 2h with shield uses 1h with penalties
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Gurnisson on May 23, 2013, 07:13:45 pm
Knockdown/Blunt beats pierce any day.

Free hits are better.

True that you will get free hits from knockdown, but you don't count the hits you won't get because the warhammer is a lot easier to follow and a bit slower, compared to the steel pick. Question is, will you get more hits in with the invisibility and speed of the pick or the knockdowns with the warhammer. They're both good choices to be honest.


On a side note. Does hoplite use 1h or pole arm proficiency?

Polearm
Title: Re: What do you think is the best shielder build?
Post by: Matey on May 23, 2013, 09:17:50 pm
warhammer over pick because pick is so damn cheesey with its insane speed and weird animations.