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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: pepejul on May 14, 2013, 04:35:34 pm

Title: stop joking with 2H
Post by: pepejul on May 14, 2013, 04:35:34 pm
Lol speed swing is not funny... nerf 2H a lot..... it is so annoying when you see magic turn swing in 1/100 sec....

please...stop joking.... make 2H realistic... heavy and slow !

DRZ, Merc Pue, Goatboy and friends....  8-)
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Gurnisson on May 14, 2013, 04:39:04 pm
Stop blaming the game for your own faults.. :wink:
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Wesleysnipes on May 14, 2013, 04:41:05 pm
If you cannot deal with 2h by now, you are bad.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: JackieChan on May 14, 2013, 04:41:28 pm
Buff 2h, they got to much devs attention recently compared to other classes

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Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: pepejul on May 14, 2013, 04:43:20 pm
I m noob against all classes..but 2H are really stupid thing in Crpg... try to do that with greatsword Irl and buy another pair of arms...
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Molly on May 14, 2013, 04:45:48 pm
I'd like to point out that he's talking about the popular swords like the greatswords, longsword and w/e else is in favour.

He is by no means talking about the Katana!   :|
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: pepejul on May 14, 2013, 04:48:13 pm
katana speed is historical... no problem with it....
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Rebelyell on May 14, 2013, 05:33:55 pm
Quote from: pepejul on May 14, 2013, 04:43:20 pm
I m noob against all classes..but 2H are really stupid thing in Crpg... try to do that with greatsword Irl and buy another pair of arms...

PEPE TRY TO STOP HORES WITH PICHFORK IRL
OR STAB SOMEONE WITH PIKE IN FACE TO FACE FIGHT
OR HIT YOUR ENEMY WITH WEAPON SHAFT AND CUT HIM APART

YOU WHINNY LITE KID


ffs I am really feed with that 2h op bulshit on forum


Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Rebelyell on May 14, 2013, 05:36:33 pm
Quote from: pepejul on May 14, 2013, 04:48:13 pm
katana speed is historical... no problem with it....

and yours education in that topick is made of hollywood movies

or

yes i am geting furious on peoples whineability and stupidity

fukin tunelvision wannanerf dont look at other classes idiotism qwergtebj.hklfrve .;lty.ljthuryjl.,kugt
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Leesin on May 14, 2013, 05:37:00 pm
buff polearms
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: pepejul on May 14, 2013, 05:43:22 pm
I love how pple are so serious and insulting for...for..for shit !  Rebelyell... I m ok to nerf all you described..

I've never watched katana movies and have no television since 2009 !

please don't talk about my education... you call pple stupidand whinny ? who are you ?

just drink a cup of tea and calm down....
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Thomek on May 14, 2013, 05:45:01 pm
Blah, huge weapons were always very strong in cRPG. Goes for the insanely fast poleaxes and axes as well as big ass cartoon swords.  Personally I find 2h the easiest to duel against as the animations are so clean and clear. The polearms often seems to break the speed of light doing instahits.

Buff, nerf.. cRPG is pretty balanced atm. Would wish longer, heavier weapons to get slower as they don't seem to have any mass atm.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: pepejul on May 14, 2013, 05:47:04 pm
I agree
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Thomek on May 14, 2013, 05:50:37 pm
But the fact that weapons don't seem to have mass probably comes from the fact they they all use the same animations, just at different speeds.

The animations should probably have been made so heavier weapons use animations with different accelerations. Something to think about for BG.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: darmaster on May 14, 2013, 05:54:40 pm
the only thing is needed is nerfing 2h stab (once it was good (after changing it from the native one)) now it's still ridicolous.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: no_rules_just_play on May 14, 2013, 05:56:04 pm
Quote from: Rebelyell on May 14, 2013, 05:33:55 pm
PEPE TRY TO STOP HORES WITH PICHFORK IRL
OR STAB SOMEONE WITH PIKE IN FACE TO FACE FIGHT
OR HIT YOUR ENEMY WITH WEAPON SHAFT AND CUT HIM APART

YOU WHINNY LITE KID


ffs I am really feed with that 2h op bulshit on forum



well i got a challenge for you:

ask your little brother to bring a long stick (3 m long is possible). give it a very sharp point.
tell your brother to hold the stick in front of him, while pointing at you.

now you will play a game: take a wooden stick of about 1m long and run towards your brother while he is holding the spear.
when the point makes contact with your skin and hits you, just keep running straight forward. dont stop.
try to reach your brother and hit him with your sword.
now call your mom and tell her to take pics.
post pics here on this forum.

dont cry about people curving their stabs when you come to close. The only reason you can come so close is because they cant use their pike as passive attack. you can just come in and spam at them without them being able to do anything and you cry about curvestabbing? please...
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Gurnisson on May 14, 2013, 06:09:30 pm
Quote from: Thomek on May 14, 2013, 05:45:01 pm
Blah, huge weapons were always very strong in cRPG. Goes for the insanely fast poleaxes and axes as well as big ass cartoon swords.  Personally I find 2h the easiest to duel against as the animations are so clean and clear. The polearms often seems to break the speed of light doing instahits.

Buff, nerf.. cRPG is pretty balanced atm. Would wish longer, heavier weapons to get slower as they don't seem to have any mass atm.

Insanely fast poleaxes? Mister katana complaining about the speed of the slower polearms? I guess you can't just spam a better player who uses a slower weapon because he knows what he's doing. Your spam should always kill, because a katana user should be able to do anything. Such a shame :(
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: darmaster on May 14, 2013, 06:23:32 pm
well i have to say that when polearms are really long their swings look ridiculous too (example glaive and long hafted blade) even tough they're slow ( 91-92 as Danish or German )
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Tibe on May 14, 2013, 06:33:04 pm
Quote from: Wesleysnipes on May 14, 2013, 04:41:05 pm
If you cannot deal with 2h by now, you are bad.
This.
/thread(s)

Da fuck you all bitching about? I remember myself whining about it being OP and shit. After years of being a stupid nerd with absolutely nolife I think I sorta finally reached a point where it really doesnt matter what I use or others use. 1h leftswingspam is quite an epic stuff on taking on 2h imo. And polearms are pretty epic aswell. Bitching about 2h is so 2000&late.
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Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Rebelyell on May 14, 2013, 06:44:00 pm
Quote from: no_rules_just_play on May 14, 2013, 05:56:04 pm
well i got a challenge for you:

ask your little brother to bring a long stick (3 m long is possible). give it a very sharp point.
tell your brother to hold the stick in front of him, while pointing at you.

now you will play a game: take a wooden stick of about 1m long and run towards your brother while he is holding the spear.
when the point makes contact with your skin and hits you, just keep running straight forward. dont stop.
try to reach your brother and hit him with your sword.
now call your mom and tell her to take pics.
post pics here on this forum.

dont cry about people curving their stabs when you come to close. The only reason you can come so close is because they cant use their pike as passive attack. you can just come in and spam at them without them being able to do anything and you cry about curvestabbing? please...

oh maybe he will put that spearhed 2 meters behid my head then...

and i am not whinning about polearms here(but i whine a lot)
i am just sick of qqing over 2h, thats all
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Swaggart on May 14, 2013, 06:48:15 pm
Quote from: no_rules_just_play on May 14, 2013, 05:56:04 pm
dont cry about people curving their stabs when you come to close. The only reason you can come so close is because they cant use their pike as passive attack. you can just come in and spam at them without them being able to do anything and you cry about curvestabbing? please...

So as a pike user you should have a massive reach advantage AND be able to defend yourself if someone closes in?

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But back on topic, great troll thread.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Gurnisson on May 14, 2013, 06:50:13 pm
Quote from: Swaggart on May 14, 2013, 06:48:15 pm
So as a pike user you should have a massive reach advantage AND be able to defend yourself if someone closes in?

Piss-poor damage, pathetic speed and extremely hard to use up close.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Rebelyell on May 14, 2013, 07:00:03 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on May 14, 2013, 06:50:13 pm
Piss-poor damage, pathetic speed and extremely hard to use up close.
extremely not
hard yes
effective at some point(with instant hit + superreach anyway)
bulshit lvl: 1st in crpg and higgest gaystyle note



Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: no_rules_just_play on May 14, 2013, 07:14:23 pm
Quote from: Swaggart on May 14, 2013, 06:48:15 pm
So as a pike user you should have a massive reach advantage AND be able to defend yourself if someone closes in?

(click to show/hide)

But back on topic, great troll thread.
no but you shouldnt take away curvestabbing as long as this is implemented
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: SMEGMAR on May 14, 2013, 07:22:11 pm
Even in native 2h isn't all that overpowered, it's just insurmountably easier to play than any other class because of it's super fluid animations.
What makes it worse in this mod is that pole, 1h, and ranged are nerfed while 2h is always buffed.
My guess is that 2h exists in it's current state simply because every game today has an "easy class" just to give the filthy illiterate europeans and NA pub trash (like smoothrich) the chance to feel like they're good at something.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Riddaren on May 14, 2013, 07:25:55 pm
Everything in cRPG is pretty much nerfed compared to real life.

Anyway, I see no problem with 2H being the best class for melee combat because it should be.
It has always been the case and hopefully it will stay that way.

People should be encouraged to choose 2H over other classes.
A lot of 2H players in a server is less annoying for the majority of players than any other class would have been.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Penitent on May 14, 2013, 07:27:12 pm
LOL...a katana is not faster than a longsword in real life.  They weigh about the same, and are nearly the same length. 

Go get a real longsword, or look up youtube vids on WMA (western martial arts) or better yet go take some lessons yourself.  2 handed sword are not heavy and slow in real life.  They are blindingly fast.

Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Prpavi on May 14, 2013, 07:30:10 pm
I am a 2h hero and i do not approve of this thread!

Buff 2h!!!
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Teeth on May 14, 2013, 07:30:25 pm
What makes 2h such an easy to use class is that the animations ignore objects and teammates a lot more than the other weapons and that they rarely glance, even at horrible angles.

In the hands of skilled players, 2h is balanced with other melee classes. When you are comparing mediocre players, 2h is stronger because it is derp friendly.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Riddaren on May 14, 2013, 07:36:16 pm
Quote from: Teeth on May 14, 2013, 07:30:25 pm
When you are comparing mediocre players, 2h is stronger because it is derp friendly.

Well, if all players were aware and skilled and had some sense of teamplay we would have had a cRPG that was faster and deadlier.
Instead, lots of things have been nerfed and slowed down due to the constant massive whining about stuff being OP.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Joker86 on May 14, 2013, 07:36:26 pm
I guess it was only a typo, and he meant

"stop poking with 2hd"

which is a perfectly understandable and reasonable request.


But in all seriousness: Pepe, if you already argument with reality: 2hd were NOT slower than other weapons. As you can swing them with both hands you have twice the strength for swinging them, and thus you can be equally fast or even faster than one handed weapons.

When a weaponsmith designed a 1hd weapon for a customer, he took care that customer could swing it with a reasonable speed. And the same rule logically applies for 2hd weapons. Nobody would use a weapon which makes him a lot slower than his enemy, because in a battle speed is the most important factor. That's why the 2hd speed is fine in its current state. Although the bastard swords indeed are ridiculously fast.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Rebelyell on May 14, 2013, 07:40:29 pm
Quote from: Teeth on May 14, 2013, 07:30:25 pm
What makes 2h such an easy to use class is that the animations ignore objects and teammates a lot more than the other weapons and that they rarely glance, even at horrible angles.

In the hands of skilled players, 2h is balanced with other melee classes. When you are comparing mediocre players, 2h is stronger because it is derp friendly.
lol
I will just ignore you all from now.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Dalhi on May 14, 2013, 07:47:28 pm
That is actually true story Bobby, you may want to read again carefully last 8 words :x
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: vipere on May 14, 2013, 07:49:07 pm
I told you to block Pepe !! try it, you will see, 2h is less Op when you block them !
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Cyber on May 14, 2013, 07:58:14 pm
http://forum.meleegaming.com/realism-discussion/

a nice place to mix game balance with realism so the rest of us can ignore it
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Thomek on May 14, 2013, 09:06:23 pm
Quote from: Gurnisson on May 14, 2013, 06:09:30 pm
Insanely fast poleaxes? Mister katana complaining about the speed of the slower polearms? I guess you can't just spam a better player who uses a slower weapon because he knows what he's doing. Your spam should always kill, because a katana user should be able to do anything. Such a shame :(

1st of all this thread is full of bs and quite entertaining.

Mr. Can't read. Are you saying that you have never seen a poleaxe be chambered behind the wielder, then next frame you are dead. At least with 2h you can see some kind of swing animation. I'm abusing this myself with the lhb atm. Getting in unbelievable hits at long range.

Back on topic, there are and have always been, in my opinion, a huge benefit to long weapons of almost all kinds in crpg. (balance wise)

Look at 2h greatswords, polearmswings with greataxes, hoplites. They are everywhere.

Long range=power

That power is not accounted for in the weapon stats. Since long weapons would often have great momentum, damage should be high. There is one stat left then, and that is speed.

Speed is where long weapons should have to pay for the sake of balance and variety.

So what weapon should one balance around? I'd say the longsword, which is fast, elegant, medium damage, medium length. (And historically well researched and recognized as a great weapon.) Also one should not balance around duelability, which becomes a rarer and rarer battlefield thing anyway these days.
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on May 14, 2013, 09:20:13 pm
The animations for some weapons seem too fast.

THAT SAID. The animations are not historically correct. True duelling relied more on quick stabbing movements and small swings(usually as a follow-up to a parry) than wide swings that leave you completely open to attack and true duelling could be even faster than the duelling in cRPG.

Mount&Blade attempts to simulate combat, but it's not perfect, which is why realism arguments are bullshit.

Gameplay balance > Physics and historical accuracy
Title: Re: stop joking with 2H
Post by: pepejul on May 14, 2013, 09:48:28 pm
I love you all.... I learned many things about 2H nos... I will make a new thread named "stop joking with shields".... thank you bye  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: