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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wrangham on May 09, 2013, 09:36:38 am

Title: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Wrangham on May 09, 2013, 09:36:38 am
edit: This was posted in the ban request section. I asked Robert Namo to admit to leeching and exploiting only so admins would have additional evidence on which they could base their ban. I have not asked for an apology. It is clear whatever admin moved this is simply "punting" to avoid dealing with the real problem.

The facts: 5/9/13 approx ~1:00am CST.

Robert Namo deliberately ignored an enemy (from his same clan) directly adjacent to him. That enemy used an arbalest to shoot Robert Namo's teammate, then proceeded to reload while still within 6 inches of Robert Namo who continued to ignore the enemy and even partially blocked that enemy from return fire. Robert Namo was not afk during this time. My description of the events above is my only evidence; I have no screenshots or video of the event. I know admins generally do not take action without pictures or a description which can be corroborated by combat logs. Admins on at the time were Cannery and Dexxtaa.


violation #1 "NOT OK: Bypassing the autobalance"

Refusing to kill your clanmates is bypassing autobalance. Autobalance picks the teams, not Robert Namo.

violation #2 "NOT OK: Running around without no weapon. Not contributing is leeching, naked runners don't contribute."

Ignoring the only enemy within 100m, who you're practically touching, and is completely defenseless while reloading the slowest weapon in the game? At least a naked runner would have some kind of value as a distraction.


I am posting this request to give Robert Namo an opportunity to clean the stain on his honor by acknowledging his treachery and accepting fair admin punishment for flaunting the official server rules. This is also an opportunity for the admin team to do something about the supplantation of the official rules with an unofficial "bro-code" that is obnoxious at best and game-breaking at its worst.

PS I am not posting because I am upset about losing a multi. I got valor that round. I am upset that players get away with ignoring server rules and having zero respect for their teammates.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Kreczor on May 09, 2013, 12:52:09 pm
Autobalance picks the teams, not Robert Namo.
That's debatable.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 10, 2013, 08:43:23 pm
I like the Iraqi warrior, but one of my biggest pet peeves is standing next to an enemy and neither of them are trying to fight each other.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Zaren on May 11, 2013, 07:42:21 am
violation #1 "NOT OK: Bypassing the autobalance"

Refusing to kill your clanmates is bypassing autobalance. Autobalance picks the teams, not Robert Namo.

not my fault I randomly go blind every time an astralis member is within 10 feet from me. The dazzling blue color hits my corneas and my brain spams out making me blind. Its true I have a doctors note for it





I accept my warning for this clearly off topic post in the ban section
EDIT:by some stroke of luck its no longer a ban post
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Vieuxcrotter on May 12, 2013, 04:21:19 am
I have seen an admin(Desire) do that, not attacking a friend that was on the other team.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Muki on May 12, 2013, 04:34:53 am
I see this is not a ban request so ill move this into general discussion.

"bro-coding" with the opposite team is consider leeching "Not contributing is leeching"
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: oohillac on May 12, 2013, 04:40:05 am
"bro-coding" with the opposite team is consider leeching "Not contributing is leeching"

This shit happens all the time, and you admins do nothing.  Some of you even participate. 
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 12, 2013, 04:40:29 am
A lot of people do it and it's technically allowed unless there's ONLY same clans plus 1 other guy.

People do it in battle all the time. Ignoring that Peasent would be "Bro coding" by definition as well. It's only more noticable when same banners do it due to the average opinion of clans being in TS.

Also why moved to general discussion?
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: kasMVC on May 12, 2013, 04:44:29 am
what the fuck is this
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 12, 2013, 04:47:48 am
I see this is not a ban request so ill move this into general discussion.


Defamation of character man, not cool. Way more people read general than the ban request forum.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Muki on May 12, 2013, 04:49:38 am
A lot of people do it and it's technically allowed unless there's ONLY same clans plus 1 other guy.

People do it in battle all the time. Ignoring that Peasent would be "Bro coding" by definition as well. It's only more noticable when same banners do it due to the average opinion of clans being in TS.

Also why moved to general discussion?

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The guy asking Namo to apologize. Not requesting a ban.

Moved it to general discussion since its not off topic to crpg nor spam.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: ArysOakheart on May 12, 2013, 05:02:58 am
Come on Namo, say you're sorry, we know how easy that is for you  :wink:
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: isatis on May 12, 2013, 05:10:57 am
Wait... Bro-coding is not OK? :O

I'm screwed... each time I enter a server, half the other team is under my bro-code D:

Poor Cochon... He now will be banned forever  :(
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Voso on May 12, 2013, 05:49:32 am
Actually Muki this was a ban request and belongs back in the NA ban request section.



I am posting this request to give Robert Namo an opportunity to clean the stain on his honor by acknowledging his treachery and accepting fair admin punishment for flaunting the official server rules. This is also an opportunity for the admin team to do something about the supplantation of the official rules with an unofficial "bro-code" that is obnoxious at best and game-breaking at its worst.


He isn't asking for an apology, just for Namo to admit to his alleged crimes and take his allegedly deserved ban.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Wrangham on May 12, 2013, 05:52:59 am
Edited OP. Moving this topic did not make sense to me.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Adam_Bomb on May 12, 2013, 07:36:47 am
Op has way too much time on his hands.. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: MrPink44 on May 12, 2013, 07:36:57 am
Just the admin team keeping their power base stronk.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: ROHYPNOL on May 12, 2013, 08:16:49 am
Is this a fucking game, or Internet Cops
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 12, 2013, 09:14:36 am
It's called fun you spaz bots! TRY HAVING SOME SOME TIME!

OH!!! OH!!! YEAH!!! THATS!!! CAPS LOCK AISUGFIAUGFUIAWGYUIOEBAW RIGHT we are playing c-rpg and fun was banned long ago.

Who cares if he leeches for a round, or ten rounds, or a thousand! Out of the millions of rounds of this game that have happened it's completely insignificant!

More leeching I say! MORE!
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: no_rules_just_play on May 12, 2013, 10:29:03 am
attacking clanmates was always part of the fun. I think every HRE always goes for yellow, especially our ranged players :(
Maybe some players have an agreement with a ranged player so he doesnt shoot him, but it's indeed quite stupid not to attack your clanmates.
Always fun when i could kill knitler (fair or not, a kill is a kill) :P
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Gnjus on May 12, 2013, 12:29:42 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Vieuxcrotter on May 12, 2013, 02:20:43 pm
Admin corruption at his finest.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Christo on May 12, 2013, 03:42:04 pm
what the fuck is this

NA drama.

Mmm. Tasty.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: MrPink44 on May 12, 2013, 05:07:48 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Awesome image with no context.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Gnjus on May 12, 2013, 05:10:42 pm
Awesome image with no context.

Oh trust me it has more context then your american brain can handle.

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Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Teeth on May 12, 2013, 05:22:55 pm
I deeply hate people that team with players from the other team, Robert if this is true, you're a scrub. If I would see what the OP describes and I was an admin, I would chuck a banhammer for that shit.

"bro-coding" with the opposite team is consider leeching "Not contributing is leeching"
Surely this can be described as griefing.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: bigsean on May 12, 2013, 05:29:37 pm
Dexxtaa is useless of course nothing happened
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Leshma on May 12, 2013, 06:42:06 pm
This is perfectly normal behavior for most video games. If you want to avoid it just choose 30 year old something folks as admins. They have no bros because they've attended university 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Kreczor on May 12, 2013, 07:24:28 pm
Dexxtaa is useless of course nothing happened

~Idlewild
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Artyem on May 12, 2013, 08:08:55 pm
I think Wrang here is more or so in the right, and we should probably thank him for not making 10,000+ ban threads but instead simply asking the guy to come clean.

Is a ban deserved here? No, not really.

Should Namo just man up and make a post?  Yeah, he probably should just to clear his name.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Dexxtaa on May 12, 2013, 09:24:56 pm
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Moving back on topic, I wasn't notified of this behavior. I apologize to the offended parties. I try to keep an eye on the chat, but things slip through, since I have incoming messages in game, on steam as well as teamspeak.

I've even taken to a second monitor to keep track of all the going ons on my screens.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Gristle on May 12, 2013, 09:51:22 pm
The only people I won't attack unless there's no one else are Miley and Tavern Keeper. If that's bannable (it shouldn't be), letting people duel at the end of a round should be as well. Frankly, I think that's an even worse offense. At least I'll fight anyone if they're the last alive.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Count_Grishnackh on May 12, 2013, 10:56:25 pm
Caring about others leeching, and not just QMLing them and then moving on
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Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on May 12, 2013, 11:19:55 pm
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Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Legs on May 12, 2013, 11:22:15 pm
It really comes down to whether people can choose who they want to fight.

Some examples besides 'bro coding'
- leaving helpless peasants and afks alone
- avoiding confrontation with certain classes and players
- letting people duel (not the same as enforcing duels)
etc

It seems like some people think that the only proper way to play cRPG is to constantly be charging straight at the nearest enemy, but we don't all think that kind of play is fun. If you want to be a bloodthirsty berserker that's fine, but please don't try to force it on people who just want to chill and have a good time.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 12, 2013, 11:42:42 pm
It really comes down to whether people can choose who they want to fight.

Some examples besides 'bro coding'
- leaving helpless peasants and afks alone
- avoiding confrontation with certain classes and players
- letting people duel (not the same as enforcing duels)
etc

It seems like some people think that the only proper way to play cRPG is to constantly be charging straight at the nearest enemy, but we don't all think that kind of play is fun. If you want to be a bloodthirsty berserker that's fine, but please don't try to force it on people who just want to chill and have a good time.

And this is what Namo did. Avoiding shooting another ranged person(clan mate) and clan mate refused to shoot namo. Now if it was clan mate + namo and some random dude, Namo WILL go for clan mate. Simple as that. But, while he has the CHOICE on who to engage, he chose NOT to engage him.

Anyone else in here trying to say "Namo's a shitty player, scrub stop being homo", then I'll ask every single one of them: "Have you EVER not engaged someone, primarily peasents, cause you didn't want to? Well Welcome to the Bro club."
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Teeth on May 12, 2013, 11:59:37 pm
And this is what Namo did. Avoiding shooting another ranged person(clan mate) and clan mate refused to shoot namo. Now if it was clan mate + namo and some random dude, Namo WILL go for clan mate. Simple as that. But, while he has the CHOICE on who to engage, he chose NOT to engage him.

Anyone else in here trying to say "Namo's a shitty player, scrub stop being homo", then I'll ask every single one of them: "Have you EVER not engaged someone, primarily peasents, cause you didn't want to? Well Welcome to the Bro club."
I think there is a difference between choosing not to engage an enemy because you feel your time is better spent elsewhere and standing next to an enemy for a prolonged period of time, even shielding this enemy from ranged fire by friendless, while not attacking this enemy. There is a clear difference in incentives noticable through this behaviour.

Besides, everyone chases peasant kills.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: HarryCrumb on May 13, 2013, 12:10:57 am
People ignore peasants?
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: sexthriller on May 13, 2013, 12:13:06 am
who cares Robert Namo #1 NA player

Dont know why you would jump on Dexxtas shit like that, assuming he is dead. Guy is a beast of a player, but he already knew that because hipster.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 13, 2013, 12:15:33 am
I think there is a difference between choosing not to engage an enemy because you feel your time is better spent elsewhere and standing next to an enemy for a prolonged period of time, even shielding this enemy from ranged fire by friendless, while not attacking this enemy. There is a clear difference in incentives noticable through this behaviour.

Besides, everyone chases peasant kills.

Which, even if we take the OP's statement at True value, he never sheilded him from fire. The OP only said Partially, which means that those who come from the side of the horse would be blocked(assuming this was Namos alt as his main isn't a archer)

And I've seen this SAME practice done multiple times on NA. Where people do this or stand in front of Friendly range obscuring their shot against a friend. Why is this, in particular brought up against namo?
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Swaggart on May 13, 2013, 12:34:23 am
Everyone does it so its ok? Someone should've told all them chocolate chip cookies at Nuremberg this brilliant defense.

Anyway, this seems like a lot of drama over nothing.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Dexxtaa on May 13, 2013, 12:42:45 am
Explain this logic Dexxta:

You found it hard enough to focus on one screen where everything was all compiled together so you got a second screen which means you now have to focus on 2 instead of 1 which doubles your workload.....

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Speaking from experience it is not hard to admin a server, speak to people on steam and Teamspeak....

Window mode Warband, when you are dead move your steam chat over part of the warband screen so you can have womanly gossip on steam whilst keeping an eye on in-game chat, and then TS does not require you to look at it to speak so i don't understand what is so difficult about that. Simples.

Furthermore:

So you are focused on the chat but you still miss things in-game? Really....?

I will be brief with you since it's clear you're not able to comprehend the situation as it stands.

I have multiple monitors to keep track of multiple platforms because, unlike your incapable self, I have multiple responsibilities over multiple platforms.

Let me simplify it further for you. More screens = more pretty pictures, understand ?

Before you try to paint a picture out of context, suspend - for a moment  - your moronic belief that we are out to get you. We are not your babysitter. I have better things to do than police each and every person on the server. If not for the community input, we are not omnipresent. Get that through your thick skull.

While you bitch with your friends on steam and teamspeak, I am handling requests and resolving issues. Not just in this game but in real situations. I'm sorry Robert hurt your precious feelings, you insolent pup.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Dooz on May 13, 2013, 12:50:30 am
I can't wait until you people are running the country.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: CID_REAL_CID_ on May 13, 2013, 01:28:41 am
ROBERT NAMO is an hero, leave him alone
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Havoco on May 13, 2013, 01:35:54 am
Oman Trebor does what Oman Trebor wants.


He wants to betray his team to block his clan mate on the other team? Oman will do it! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: dynamike on May 13, 2013, 05:00:32 am
I've even taken to a second monitor to keep track of all the going ons on my screens.

Has not even felt the need to invest in a second or third monitor to properly assmin until now. Please de-acemin immediateyl.

Serialy, who picks these apemins??
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Buriza_do_kyanon on May 13, 2013, 05:28:08 am
I think Wrang is just upset because he doesn't have any bros.

I'll be your bro, bro!
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: robert_namo on May 13, 2013, 09:38:29 am
sorry
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Brrrak on May 13, 2013, 10:18:58 am
sorry

Okay, thread locked?
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on May 13, 2013, 12:16:02 pm
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Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Turboflex on May 13, 2013, 04:23:06 pm
pretty lame to be doing this, clearly working against spirit of competition.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Fanlaen on May 13, 2013, 06:45:11 pm
People ignore peasants?

I don't, its the only way I can avoid being a bottom feeder on the scoreboard.  8-)
Also, acting AFK is the best way to kill cav, they usually head to spawn to kill afkers before getting people in the bum  :lol:

Don't know why we're singling out robert namo, plenty of people do similar things. I don't really care even if I don't have anyone to "bro" with, I just alt tab and browse the web when people are fucking around at the end of a round, unless its funny.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Haboe on May 13, 2013, 07:16:20 pm
Dipshit talking about admins not doing their job, then going to general discussion to openly yell they aren't doing their job properly.
Those players volunteer to help the community, they owe you 0.

You have absolute 0 proof, luckily all admins are smart enough not to act on a banrequest based on nothing.

Some players....  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Teeth on May 13, 2013, 07:38:59 pm
Dipshit talking about admins not doing their job, then going to general discussion to openly yell they aren't doing their job properly.
Those players volunteer to help the community, they owe you 0.
Yes they do. In accepting to be an admin they accept the responsibility to enforce rules when they are playing at the very least. It's not about volunteering for the job, it is about getting picked out of a whole bunch of volunteers, which means getting admin is a privilege, not something you accept while letting out a deep sigh.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: dreadnok on May 14, 2013, 01:07:41 am
robert namo was once banned for breaking the kill record on siege. the admin was goretooth
Title: Reminder: No Fun Allowed!
Post by: Kelugarn on May 14, 2013, 02:14:45 am
Yes they do. In accepting to be an admin they accept the responsibility to enforce rules when they are playing at the very least. It's not about volunteering for the job, it is about getting picked out of a whole bunch of volunteers, which means getting admin is a privilege, not something you accept while letting out a deep sigh.

Sure, you don't accept it with a deep sigh, but when you deal with threads like this all day deep sighing is the only way you can breath anymore.

That being said the fact that the original post in the ban request forum (where this should have stayed) was not a ban request at all is why no one wanted to deal with it.

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If we served bans for every player that bro-coded on occasion then we'd end up banning half of the NA population. The only time when bro-ing it up is close to "game breaking" is when the last man alive is getting hugs from the entire enemy team, and even when that happens it only lasts for a few seconds before someone goes for the kill.

If Namo had been spending the entire map, round after round, dick-slanging with his clan instead of killing them then he would have earned himself a kick and a brief ban in no time. But according to your own testimony he didn't do it all map, he did it once in a round. Try and remember that it's just one round in a mod about internet horses and two-handed swords, and sometimes the other people that play like to be creative and have fun in ways other than murderorgy2010. Making a thread bitching and moaning about how someone didn't take the game seriously enough is not going to get you anywhere.


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Title: Re: Reminder: No Fun Allowed!
Post by: robert_namo on May 14, 2013, 07:50:47 am

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was i banned yet? cause i think i missed the hour :D
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 14, 2013, 08:15:22 am
sorry
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Fuck you lover boy! *licks lips*
Title: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Wrangham on May 14, 2013, 09:08:13 am
If we served bans for every player that bro-coded on occasion then we'd end up banning half of the NA population. The only time when bro-ing it up is close to "game breaking" is when the last man alive is getting hugs from the entire enemy team, and even when that happens it only lasts for a few seconds before someone goes for the kill.

The only reason people bro-code is because the admins let them. Most of the NA population would intentionally teamkill on occasion if the admins did nothing about it. Most of the NA population would rejoin the server and spawn a second life if the admins didn't care. Most of the NA population would do any number of bogus strat exploits if the admins let them.

In any case why does Froyo get to decide when breaking a rule is OK? Obviously this kind of bro-coding in this particular instance was game breaking for me. Admins are here to enforce rules not decide that "this teamkill/exploit/leeching/etc. wasn't game breaking" and do nothing. I have never seen any admin action taken for bro-coding ever.

The rules exist so everyone can play on one server and have fun. Either change the rules:

"bro-coding" with the opposite team is consider leeching "Not contributing is leeching"

or enforce the rules. But please don't invent your own and tell me it's for "fun."
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: ArysOakheart on May 14, 2013, 09:36:31 am
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Sorry bro, this isn't a EA/Blizzard/Valve game, but we want as many people to play as possible. We don't hit cap unless it's double XP, and only the euro's get that.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Kajia on May 14, 2013, 03:14:50 pm
It really comes down to whether people can choose who they want to fight.

Some examples besides 'bro coding'
- leaving helpless peasants and afks alone
- avoiding confrontation with certain classes and players
- letting people duel (not the same as enforcing duels)
etc

It seems like some people think that the only proper way to play cRPG is to constantly be charging straight at the nearest enemy, but we don't all think that kind of play is fun. If you want to be a bloodthirsty berserker that's fine, but please don't try to force it on people who just want to chill and have a good time.

exactly.
what fun is a game where I can't play fair if I like to? (as in not ganking)
and what fun is a game when it's just about killing stuff and not also about having bros? (I would feel bad if I would always gank people I kinda like)
and what fun is a game when everyone is playing inside the rules? every little turmoil like this is a clear sign that the mod is still not dead ... imho.

rules are guidelines, and there to be broken sometimes.
rules are there to know what is OKAY, not to tell you what is fun and should be done.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Meow on May 14, 2013, 03:18:37 pm
In more than one case this behavior was punished as griefing (shielding your "bros" from your own team) and/or leeching in case there was no intention to help your team.

It's considered common sense that you are hurting your team by doing it and in most cases you are breaking multiple rules that are already in place.

Rule of thumb: If you are not helping your team to win the round you are doing something wrong.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Leshma on May 14, 2013, 03:34:35 pm
Another win for USA. While I was still playing this mod, I've witnessed similar situation dozens of times and sometimes admins were involved. Of course, no one got banned for it. It's nice to see that some things change for the better.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Sniger on May 14, 2013, 04:58:32 pm
exactly.
what fun is a game where I can't play fair if I like to? (as in not ganking)
and what fun is a game when it's just about killing stuff and not also about having bros? (I would feel bad if I would always gank people I kinda like)
and what fun is a game when everyone is playing inside the rules? every little turmoil like this is a clear sign that the mod is still not dead ... imho.

rules are guidelines, and there to be broken sometimes.
rules are there to know what is OKAY, not to tell you what is fun and should be done.

i wonder how the olympics would turn out with this mindset :) no offence at all. but what you descripe is not "a game" but merely some kind of timewaste like watching a movie or some solitaire. a game have rules. if no rules, it wouldnt be a game. if you dont follow the rules, you aint playing the game. in crpg, the point is basicly to kill the enemy team, resulting in a win >> multiplier. cut to the chase: if you dont kill the enemy (for whatever reason) you fail. just imvho :)

its like playing say a game of chess and then lose on purpose cus opponent is a friend... come on bleh. you are actually shooting yourself and him in the foot; neither of you wont become better at chess. and at the end of the day, becomming better is the entire point isnt it?
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 14, 2013, 05:27:58 pm
I don't get the people saying "it's just a game"  or "they're just having fun".

If someone's on the enemy team, they're on the enemy team.  I go out of my way to kill people on the enemy team I'm cool or friendly with.  bro-coding or actively blocking your teammates from attacking an enemy is ridiculous.  Play the game, and enjoy yourselves, but I don't understand why people would bro-code just because the other guy is in the same clan or teamspeak.

Of course you have the option to choose who you engage.  I don't go and attack the first person I see every time I'm on my horse.  I actively avoid certain people.  Bro-coding is a pretty obvious thing, if you're standing next to an enemy and you're both thumbing each others' asses, then you're bro-coding.  Even worse is when people pretend to fight (and just get in the way of teammates, or just circle around without even pretending to fight the enemy).  Both of these things are griefing, and it's obvious why they are punishable.  I wish admins would do more about it frankly.

Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Kajia on May 14, 2013, 07:53:28 pm
i wonder how the olympics would turn out with this mindset :) no offence at all. but what you descripe is not "a game" but merely some kind of timewaste like watching a movie or some solitaire. a game have rules. if no rules, it wouldnt be a game. if you dont follow the rules, you aint playing the game. in crpg, the point is basicly to kill the enemy team, resulting in a win >> multiplier. cut to the chase: if you dont kill the enemy (for whatever reason) you fail. just imvho :)

its like playing say a game of chess and then lose on purpose cus opponent is a friend... come on bleh. you are actually shooting yourself and him in the foot; neither of you wont become better at chess. and at the end of the day, becomming better is the entire point isnt it?

I would like to agree to the general thought, but:
the rules off chess are what makes the world of the game. so the chessboard and it's figures roles and moving rules are the equivalent of the cRPG world, weapons, avatars, animations and stuff, NOT the admin rules.
whether or not you decide to warn the opponent of one of his fatal moves in chess, or decide to not gank a buddy you know wouldn't exactly like that, is a matter of fair play, and not the games rule, in my book.
f.i., when I play against less experienced players, I tend to level out some differences (like putting away my shield against another 1handed user), because otherwise it's just no challenge to me. gaming, and playful behavior in general, has a lot to do with handicap to make it equal. I am not saying that this is the law, but it's an observation you can make, anywhere. even in the animal kingdom.

winning and "getting better" is not everything, for me at least. I want to have fun too, and I'm not the only one. actually, it's making me feel alive, more than being on the top of some list.

I should have added to the above post:
I am not one to defend a so-called "bro", but I would think twice about attacking him; that is unless he is attacking me, or my team needs the help (given he is one of the last of his team).
on the one hand it's really more complicated than what the "rules" say, because they just can't make the kid in us go away; and on the other hand, for me personally, it's really simple: I want to have fun, and I can empathize with other players too.

btw., have you seen PEPEs videos of him and his kids? there you go: handicap, to have mutual fun. there is no getting better for PEPE, not even winning, but something way more important. to be a little cheesy here :P
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Leshma on May 14, 2013, 09:32:24 pm
Quote
btw., have you seen PEPEs videos of him and his kids? there you go: handicap, to have mutual fun. there is no getting better for PEPE, not even winning, but something way more important. to be a little cheesy here

That has nothing to do with the game, it's having fun on the forums. Pepe is acting a bit strange in game (let's call it roleplaying) but he sticks to the rules.

I think that people tend to fool around in cRPG because they are used to expressing such behavior while playing MMORPGs. Those type of games are usually very boring, which have no defined goal (except leveling aka grinding) and after some time people have to fool around to relax a bit (grind can be very tiresome). cRPG is basically competitive online action game like CS, CoD, Battlefield. Persistent stats don't change the nature of the game. If you find the game boring it's better to go offline, than to ruin fun for those who want to play the game the way it is intended to be played.

Of course, things change when majority wants to relax and fool around. Even then I prefer to play the game properly, accepting rules of the pack isn't my thing.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Sniger on May 14, 2013, 10:34:32 pm
If you find the game boring it's better to go offline, than to ruin fun for those who want to play the game the way it is intended to be played.

word
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Gristle on May 15, 2013, 12:47:18 am
An enemy runs up to me while I'm reloading my crossbow. I know this person has low/zero power strike. His weapon is just bouncing off of me and not even interrupting my reload. Do I HAVE to kill this harmless guy or risk being banned? I like these guys until they realize they can kick me.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Malaclypse on May 15, 2013, 01:39:56 am
a game have rules. if no rules, it wouldnt be a game.

True, but there are two types of games, really, as James Carse described em. Those which end, and those which don't. Those with boundaries, and those which only have horizons. Those played to play, and those played to win. Those with static rules, and those with malleable ones. Finite and Infinite. For me, the latter is more fun to play, and fun/engagement is seen as what ought be the primary motive in playing any game in my life (up to and including the entire scope of my existence).
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Vieuxcrotter on May 15, 2013, 05:16:07 am
Another win for USA. While I was still playing this mod, I've witnessed similar situation dozens of times and sometimes admins were involved. Of course, no one got banned for it. It's nice to see that some things change for the better.

^^ this , witnessed the same behavior from an admin.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Zaren on May 15, 2013, 05:21:04 am
The only reason people bro-code is because the admins let them. Most of the NA population would intentionally teamkill on occasion if the admins did nothing about it. Most of the NA population would rejoin the server and spawn a second life if the admins didn't care. Most of the NA population would do any number of bogus strat exploits if the admins let them.

true but it is MUCH MUCH harder to call someone on "bro coding" than tking/2nd spawning UNLESS its blatantly obvious
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Voso on May 15, 2013, 07:22:16 am
I just want to point out that the two rules you referred to saying bro-coding is against the rules is really just abusing the way they are worded as that is not at all what they mean.


violation #1 "NOT OK: Bypassing the autobalance"

Refusing to kill your clanmates is bypassing autobalance. Autobalance picks the teams, not Robert Namo.

violation #2 "NOT OK: Running around without no weapon. Not contributing is leeching, naked runners don't contribute."

Ignoring the only enemy within 100m, who you're practically touching, and is completely defenseless while reloading the slowest weapon in the game? At least a naked runner would have some kind of value as a distraction.

For violation #1: Bypassing the autobalance refers to continually trying to swap teams so that effectively you aren't autobalanced.

For violation #2: True, not contributing is leeching but bro-coding doesn't necessarily mean you aren't contributing. If you kill half the enemy team but let your friend get a fair fight against your teammates and not attack him, does this mean you didn't contribute and are leeching? No, you killed half their team. I am sure Robert Namo got kills that round and was in fact contributing.



That said, feel free to continue to discuss altering the rules to make this sort of thing against them, I am not even going to begin getting into the whole gameplay needs to be serious to be fun vs gameplay needs to be lighthearted and funny to be fun argument.



I am just saying it technically isn't against the rules currently so your arguments about admins not enforcing the rules and all that conspiracy mumbo jumbo are invalid

(unless of course you use the common sense rule but come on this is cRPG who has common sense?)
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: kasMVC on May 15, 2013, 09:00:40 am
One time I killed a large amount of enemies. It ended up being around 4v4 at the end (myself included). My team and I quickly disposed of 3 of the remaining enemy.

"Where's this last guy"
"I dunn-" his words cut short by a bolt in the back.

We frantically scrambled around trying to figure out where it came from. Of course it was Flying Dildos. Recently dildos had been shooting me a lot (I suppose leaving FCC retracted a lot of my bro codes) or for the numerous other reasons why it is enjoyable to kill me.

Not wanting to participate I put a banner on his location and sent my teammates to dispatch of the pest. Holding my breath I watch him fight my two teammates and eventually kill them.

!!! WHAT HAVE I DONE. I was unsure of my ability to take dildos on 1v1. And the whole server was watching. Fuck it I don't know why we aren't bro coding anymore but I used to love yelling "DILDOS SNIPER IN THE OPEN" and have him take the enemy out in one shot.

So I began feinting for no reason. It was hilarious. For 2 minutes we stood opposite each other feinting and back peddling. Never coming into striking range we danced for old times sake. I knew what I was doing was wrong, but fuck it this was my brother. Someone who I have never met, and will never meet, but who I feel so much for. How else could I express my feelings? Typing "lol i love you bro" just wouldn't cut it.

So for two minutes we did this... and then flags popped up.

Immediately Dildos dashes for the flags. "ARGHH" I thought "I really fucked up this time"

You see... for the timer had gotten to 30 seconds. I had 5 athletics and 55 body armor plus 50 head armor. Dildos had some fur with nothing on his head. The dash had my heart pumping. Adrenaline was coursing through my body. 10 seconds left and we get to flags. He gets there first. They were raised a miniscule amount... but enough to give his team the win. Frantically I spam and feint, but dildos is an old enemy and one wise to my tactics.

5
4
3
2
1
And my strike goes through. I would be lying if I did not feel a rush of emotions wash over me. Elation, joy and relief to name a few. Yes I won the round, and yes I preserved the multi, and yes I had a shit ton of fun....

But I still wonder if I should have been reprimanded for my actions. Did I not waste 3 minutes of everyone's time? It's these kinds of bro codings that we should (unfortunately) take steps to combat. When two bro's express their love purely to let everyone know how much they care about eachother. I love you man
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: ArysOakheart on May 15, 2013, 09:39:10 am
One time I killed a large amount of enemies. It ended up being around 4v4 at the end (myself included). My team and I quickly disposed of 3 of the remaining enemy.

"Where's this last guy"
"I dunn-" his words cut short by a bolt in the back.

We frantically scrambled around trying to figure out where it came from. Of course it was Flying Dildos. Recently dildos had been shooting me a lot (I suppose leaving FCC retracted a lot of my bro codes) or for the numerous other reasons why it is enjoyable to kill me.

Not wanting to participate I put a banner on his location and sent my teammates to dispatch of the pest. Holding my breath I watch him fight my two teammates and eventually kill them.

!!! WHAT HAVE I DONE. I was unsure of my ability to take dildos on 1v1. And the whole server was watching. Fuck it I don't know why we aren't bro coding anymore but I used to love yelling "DILDOS SNIPER IN THE OPEN" and have him take the enemy out in one shot.

So I began feinting for no reason. It was hilarious. For 2 minutes we stood opposite each other feinting and back peddling. Never coming into striking range we danced for old times sake. I knew what I was doing was wrong, but fuck it this was my brother. Someone who I have never met, and will never meet, but who I feel so much for. How else could I express my feelings? Typing "lol i love you bro" just wouldn't cut it.

So for two minutes we did this... and then flags popped up.

Immediately Dildos dashes for the flags. "ARGHH" I thought "I really fucked up this time"

You see... for the timer had gotten to 30 seconds. I had 5 athletics and 55 body armor plus 50 head armor. Dildos had some fur with nothing on his head. The dash had my heart pumping. Adrenaline was coursing through my body. 10 seconds left and we get to flags. He gets there first. They were raised a miniscule amount... but enough to give his team the win. Frantically I spam and feint, but dildos is an old enemy and one wise to my tactics.

5
4
3
2
1
And my strike goes through. I would be lying if I did not feel a rush of emotions wash over me. Elation, joy and relief to name a few. Yes I won the round, and yes I preserved the multi, and yes I had a shit ton of fun....

But I still wonder if I should have been reprimanded for my actions. Did I not waste 3 minutes of everyone's time? It's these kinds of bro codings that we should (unfortunately) take steps to combat. When two bro's express their love purely to let everyone know how much they care about eachother. I love you man

:GolfClap:
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Little Lord Lollipop on May 15, 2013, 09:57:42 am
Sometimes....
I would rather play follow the leader with Pakus
I would rather put on a monk robe and preach the words of JesusChrist to the unwashed masses
I would rather TK Phantasmal with a shot to the back of the head to ruin his KD
I would rather build an equipment chest and crossdress
I would rather punt a teammate to certain death
I would rather go Dora the Explorer on a map
...than fight

Sperglords ruin the game. Repent now and save yourselves from eternal damnation!

Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Oberyn on May 15, 2013, 01:03:45 pm
Saw this on cracked and thought of people like the above poster:

6 types of assholes you meet in every online game

"#4. LOLRANDOM

It's been a brilliant evening of close-run combat. You've been dominating with the tanks, but the enemy have pilots who can actually hit things, so every map has been a hard-won struggle with only five points in it among 24 players. Your friend has to leave, but you're sure it'll be fine. Then XxX_D0ngH1tl3r_42069 joins and runs straight at the enemy with a knife while playing trololololo over team chat.

The LOLRANDOM's battle cry is "It's just a game!" which is short for "It's just a game I'm trying to screw up for as many people as possible because no one has ever loved me!" It's like playing chess against someone who uses every turn to remove one of their own pieces from the board and shove it right up their own ass. It's easy to win, but not much fun to take part in. And if you wanted that, there are other online places you can go. In a team game, there are other people on their team who need those pieces.

There are properly crazy servers, where properly insane shit happens.

But these idiots don't really care about being random. If they found themselves in a payload_hightower traditional fish-slapping match (all Scout, all Holy Mackerel, Monty Python song quotes in textchat), they'd be the first to spawn Heavy with a minigun and murder everyone. They don't want to actually have fun; they want to ruin it for others, because they've reached such a low point in existence that ruining pointless fun for strangers is the closest they can come to human affection. They're proof that video games don't ruin people, but do attract people who are already ruined."




edit: bonus "#5. Single-Class Players AKA every Horse xbow delayer ever

Modern multiplayer games feature more teamwork than a Disney movie about a down-on-their-luck cheerleading squad learning to win a bridge tournament (a challenge that involves learning bridge, then keeping each other alive for 80 years to become old enough to care about bridge). An array of classes and loadouts let players adapt to specific roles and shifting objectives, including point defense, medic, target designation, and farming. Or they could be the third idiot on your team to scream "I WANNA SNIPE" and now you've lost.

True, a video game is the least worst-possible place for someone to declare that their only joy is long-range shooting things through the head, but it's still terrible. It doesn't matter if your team is going room to room in tunnels or being steamrollered by tanks, he's going to run up a crane at the very corner of the map and spend half an hour plinking at enemy infantry ... which will be much easier for him, now that your team is effectively outnumbered and the enemy are holding a grenade-explosion-based music festival around your spawn points.

This is the sort of sociopath that anti-video-game campaigners have been warning us about. There are infinitely billion single-player games about shooting enemies in the head, but these people don't want to play single player.

As far as they're concerned, all the other players are just background sprites in their personal game. But because they're not Michael Jordan, you'll still lose and hate them."








Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: dreadnok on May 15, 2013, 02:05:51 pm
Namo and sittingbull and  ulfson are the only people in this community I would give a body part too. The community doesn't appreciate when you call out one of their folk heroes pal.   :twisted:
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Kajia on May 15, 2013, 02:14:56 pm
If you find the game boring it's better to go offline, than to ruin fun for those who want to play the game the way it is intended to be played.

sure thing.
but I don't think this thread was about griefing, but about simply not attacking some guy in the enemy team, which is, I repeat, not a case for in-game 'law' (rules), but a question of character. different problem, imo.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Memento_Mori on May 15, 2013, 02:20:01 pm
Lol


Bro-code + crappy auto-stacker balance + mostly inactive admins + huge community of trolls + trollish admins + devs not giving a fuck


Oh shit I found myself on Crpg again.

Crpg club, really cool people, really, really cool people.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 15, 2013, 03:46:45 pm
Lol


Bro-code + crappy auto-stacker balance + mostly inactive admins + huge community of trolls + trollish admins + devs not giving a fuck


Oh shit I found myself on Crpg again.

Crpg club, really cool people, really, really cool people.

Welcome back to the fold, please keep hands inside the car at all times.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: MrPink44 on May 15, 2013, 07:06:09 pm
Lock this thread please? Namo has apologized as well as 2 admins posting that this post deserves to be neither here nor there. It's now become nothing more than a shitpost contest where people back up their homies. It's done people delay, grief, bro-code, tk, tw intentionally/unintentionally, and admittedly troll openly. W/e it's a game and if it was not fun this mod would have died a year after it started. Honestly if we can live through the shit that chadz throws at us almost every patch we can survive a bit of in game grief.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: HarryCrumb on May 16, 2013, 02:55:43 am
Sometimes....
I would rather play follow the leader with Pakus
I would rather put on a monk robe and preach the words of JesusChrist to the unwashed masses
I would rather TK Phantasmal with a shot to the back of the head to ruin his KD
I would rather build an equipment chest and crossdress
I would rather punt a teammate to certain death
I would rather go Dora the Explorer on a map
...than fight

Sperglords ruin the game. Repent now and save yourselves from eternal damnation!

Follow the leader with Pakus is the only real reason why people still play this game.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Turboflex on May 16, 2013, 04:00:56 pm
Mori came out of retirement to flame Namo; You know he dun wrong.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: dreadnok on May 17, 2013, 12:17:30 am
Lol


Bro-code + crappy auto-stacker balance + mostly inactive admins + huge community of trolls + trollish admins + devs not giving a fuck


Oh shit I found myself on Crpg again.

Crpg club, really cool people, really, really cool people.


I'm not cool Mori?
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: LordLargos on May 17, 2013, 06:58:56 am
Bro coding is pretty common these days, I won't point any fingers
(click to show/hide)
. Generally if they're in the way I just kill 'em both.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: sir_emelius on May 17, 2013, 09:42:17 am
Long LIVE THE NEMO!!
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 17, 2013, 04:09:19 pm
Bro coding is pretty common these days, I won't point any fingers
(click to show/hide)
. Generally if they're in the way I just kill 'em both.

Same, I don't worry too much about the friendly guy if he's blocking the enemy, I'm swinging away  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: robert_namo on May 21, 2013, 10:14:53 am
http://videobam.com/vNKQG

everyone bro-codes, its an epidermic.
also stabs need to be fixed.
Title: Re: Robert Namo - leeching and exploiting
Post by: Gristle on May 21, 2013, 12:05:17 pm
As I said, anyone who supports end of round duels might as well support bro-coding.