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Strategus => Strategus Issues => Topic started by: bruttus on May 04, 2013, 04:51:34 pm

Title: Night time Abuse
Post by: bruttus on May 04, 2013, 04:51:34 pm
hi,

I do know that this issue has been talked allot, but there is something that i have noticed today
Well, i'm one of the few Eu players that decided to stay with an American Clan since the split up after strat 3, so, i'm more a nightwatch for mine clan, i'm awaike whille you guy's are asleep :) (says all about mine shitty written English)
Now, i use GMT +O, thats why i am not going in attack soon, remember the attack at new qalyut.
To get to the point
At 1 am mine local time, HoC attackd New Wheyya castle
survivors at Wheyya 3000
that amount was still at 04.30 am thismorning when i went to sleep
In the mean time the second wave was attacking New Wheyya, but no1 from Occitan or Chevalier was insight, what well happend, was that a force was retreating from Wheyya castle, but they where cought by a other army from us
Now, i noticed that Chevalier, when everyone is asleep, except the Eu player here, moi, that they brought suddenly reinforcements from 1800 troops extra to wheyya castle
or they had hidden 1800 troops in wheyya castle itself, or they use there night time settings in theyre own advantages to bring reinforcements unnoticed, because non of oure army's has seen them
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Jack1 on May 04, 2013, 06:43:47 pm
So basically the night time was used to gain a much larger reinforcement window and thus could be reinforced from further distances?
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: sdfjkln on May 04, 2013, 06:56:01 pm
So basically the night time was used to gain a much larger reinforcement window and thus could be reinforced from further distances?

No, the night time was used so our French brethren could get some sleep. Please stop acting like we are being shady. If there is a problem with Weyyah's night time it could be from a recent change in ownership, I'll talk to him about it. Oh and Bruttus, just because you can objectively see movements on the strat map does not mean you know or understand the reasons or motives. I would explain more but I would be spilling beans that don't belong to me, and certainly not to you. If you have problems/questions with us please contact us directly instead of trying to smear us on the forums.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Jack1 on May 04, 2013, 07:18:40 pm
Well I wasn't implying anything about the being able to get sleep thing, I was just trying to further comprehend the situation.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: bruttus on May 04, 2013, 07:39:11 pm
no, you cav. used the night time to reinforce youre castle without being detected
now mine fair question is, did you had 1800 extra tickets inside the castle without that we saw it, using it as reserves, or you just sended the tickets without being seen by oure forces
because in the beginning you guy's had 3000 pop to defend, and when i saw around noon mine time, you had 4800 troops defending the castle
then mine other question is, if you put the 1800 extra tickets to wheyya castle, why you retreated the 1600 tickets out of wheyya castle before you sended in the 1800 tickets


i'm not insulting you, but i think you ussing the night time to get some advantage over VE
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: sdfjkln on May 04, 2013, 07:44:50 pm
no, you cav. used the night time to reinforce youre castle without being detected
now mine fair question is, did you had 1800 extra tickets inside the castle without that we saw it, using it as reserves, or you just sended the tickets without being seen by oure forces
because in the beginning you guy's had 3000 pop to defend, and when i saw around noon mine time, you had 4800 troops defending the castle
then mine other question is, if you put the 1800 extra tickets to wheyya castle, why you retreated the 1600 tickets out of wheyya castle before you sended in the 1800 tickets

i'm not insulting you, but i think you ussing the night time to get some advantage over VE

Honestly, I don't read anything in what you just said that constitutes calling us out for "night time abuse" this threads title. We have to tell you where we allocate our troops? We have to tell you how and when we reinforce? And does anyone here think that reinforcing without being detected is abuse? Night time or not, we would be reinforcing when we were at the lowest risk to be intercepted STRAT 101. Just because you can't win battles in the field doesn't mean you should come onto the forums and grasp at straws.

P.S. I'm not insulted, I'm annoyed, because most people wont get past the first post and the title of this thread, and then weeks later we'll have people bringing these false accusations up as if they ever had any merit in the first place. And again, if you have a problem contact us directly, you can PM me or a few others.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: bruttus on May 04, 2013, 07:53:12 pm
excuse me m8, but you have seen where you are all, in the dessert you have almost nothing anymore except wheyya castle and shariz
we have respect you for the heavy fights that you give, but  we are winning in strat
and its not the first time that i noticed it that before every siegeevent with your clan, that in the night time of other people that you suddenly have the village/castle/city reinforced, without that oure troops have seen it
so yes, i believe you are using the night time to reinforce the besieged city/village/castle, because for every day, in the morning, before i go to sleep an before i go to work, when all the American's are still sleeping or going to bed, i watch the status from whats going on, and i noticed that a couple times that you manage to reinforce the place without being seen
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: SucculentHeadCrab on May 04, 2013, 08:07:31 pm
Alright I see everyone getting worked up over basic math.  Here are battle results from first attack.

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=3524

Subtract 3000 population from tickets, the remaining are troops. Are you with me so far? 
The follow-up attack was initiated 9 minutes after the battle had ended.  Of course the castle owner pulled everything out of the castle by then and put in troops once second wave attacked.

As for "night time abuse", you may ask others to verify, the initial time the second attack showed up the battle list HAS NOT changed or pushed back due to night time.

Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: bruttus on May 04, 2013, 08:14:49 pm
Alright I see everyone getting worked up over basic math.  Here are battle results from first attack.

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=3524

Subtract 3000 population from tickets, the remaining are troops. Are you with me so far? 
The follow-up attack was initiated 9 minutes after the battle had ended.  Of course the castle owner pulled everything out of the castle by then and put in troops once second wave attacked.

As for "night time abuse", you may ask others to verify, the initial time the second attack showed up the battle list HAS NOT changed or pushed back due to night time.

thats a fair answer from whats going on, and i apolegise for the accusation
i only notticed the 3000 pop to defend the castle, and suddenly the 1800 troops extra
so i can see that the idea was to retreat, but that was failed, and decided the rest of the army to put back in to the castle
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Sparvico on May 04, 2013, 09:12:32 pm
It sounds to me as though the idea was not to retreat but rather make sure the castle had adequate troops and gear. What is usually done when facing repeated attacks on a fief is to remove all troops and gear from the fief immediately after a failed attack and then reinforce the "undefended fief" with troops and gear that were there in the first place. This assures that the over saturation of gear is not an issue (not that you in VE do that, to my knowledge anyhow). The tricky thing about this strategy is that the owner of the fief has to be in the fief, and be online, as soon as the battle ends.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Canary on May 04, 2013, 11:38:37 pm
It sounds to me as though the idea was not to retreat but rather make sure the castle had adequate troops and gear. What is usually done when facing repeated attacks on a fief is to remove all troops and gear from the fief immediately after a failed attack and then reinforce the "undefended fief" with troops and gear that were there in the first place. This assures that the over saturation of gear is not an issue (not that you in VE do that, to my knowledge anyhow). The tricky thing about this strategy is that the owner of the fief has to be in the fief, and be online, as soon as the battle ends.

And, assuming you're being attacked by people who try to time the last kill when the battle will end around the 'tick' when attack commands will register (the "arrive in 0.0minutes" thing), has to hit all the right buttons within a less-than-a-minute window in order for them to go through before the followup attack occurs.



This thread title is misleading, it evidently has nothing to do with the actual night time mechanic, merely the time of day that is night in North America. Night time doesn't "hide troops"; moving troops without being seen because your enemy isn't looking is not worth posting a thread about.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Hobb on May 05, 2013, 12:38:07 am
Just because you can't win battles in the field doesn't mean you should come onto the forums and grasp at straws.

Good field battle today bro
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Zaren on May 05, 2013, 02:22:36 am
we are winning in strat
what the shit has HoC done? I see tkov......but HoC I havent seen do anything
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Sparvico on May 05, 2013, 02:41:41 am
They are a vassal of the Velucan Empire, and often used as the poor souls destined to launch unsuccessful attack after unsuccessful attack against Occitan's fiefs.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on May 05, 2013, 02:45:54 am
what the shit has HoC done? I see tkov......but HoC I havent seen do anything
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_fodder
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Sparvico on May 05, 2013, 02:49:29 am
Damn, wish I had thought of that.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Casimir on May 05, 2013, 02:52:44 am
Occitain have taken over 2k troops from EU to NA.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Sparvico on May 05, 2013, 02:55:10 am
You had to many troops sitting in your castles anyway.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Casimir on May 05, 2013, 02:59:04 am
Just trying to help out with any mysteries, thought that information may be relevant to this discussion.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Keshian on May 05, 2013, 03:48:46 am
Just trying to help out with any mysteries, thought that information may be relevant to this discussion.

Yeah it was actually 3600 fully equipped shiny armies given to them from shu han.  Thats just the most recent gift to their NA proxy.  technically with EU+Occitan - VE is pretty outnumbered.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Sparvico on May 05, 2013, 04:53:49 am
Oh kesh, you are not a very good comic. Leave the joking to the professionals please. Even if your distorted numbers are accurate, 3600 is hardly a drop in the ocean compared to the VE-FCC war machine.

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Just trying to help out with any mysteries, thought that information may be relevant to this discussion.

Well it's only slightly relevant, if you had read most of the thread you might have realized it was mostly about how to avoid gear over-saturation (item-bombing), whether intentional or not, in the repeated sieges of fiefs.  Where the troops came from in this particular situation was settled by some simple arithmetic earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Duster on May 05, 2013, 04:59:44 am
Good field battle today bro

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Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: arowaine on May 05, 2013, 08:30:58 am
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are you new ? do you read forum post ? maybe ask your faction leader they maybe can tell you more about/fill you with proper information...

excuse me m8, but you have seen where you are all, in the dessert you have almost nothing anymore except wheyya castle and shariz
we have respect you for the heavy fights that you give, but  we are winning in strat you manage to won every bugged battle/1 open field battle congrats!  btw killing your tickets with your own gear is pretty fun :).
and its not the first time that i noticed it that before every siegeevent with your clan, that in the night time of other people that you suddenly have the village/castle/city reinforced, without that oure troops have seen it
so yes, i believe you are using the night time to reinforce the besieged city/village/castle, because for every day, in the morning, before i go to sleep an before i go to work, when all the American's are still sleeping or going to bed, i watch the status from whats going on, and i noticed that a couple times that you manage to reinforce the place without being seen

you are really funny definetly

ps: maybe enter the castle and check how many people there is in(player), also keep in mind hiding number is always good strategie unless you have 140 man faction :D
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: arowaine on May 05, 2013, 08:31:55 am
Occitain have taken over 2k troops from EU to NA.

pls tell us more casimir! according to kesh says so far been 10k you say 2k there is a mistake somewhere find it pls casimir.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: arowaine on May 05, 2013, 08:42:07 am
thats a fair answer from whats going on, and i apolegise for the accusation
i only notticed the 3000 pop to defend the castle, and suddenly the 1800 troops extra
so i can see that the idea was to retreat, but that was failed, and decided the rest of the army to put back in to the castle

just read that now and feel like dick now, definetly ask more question to your friends around you about strat, before saying bad stuff to people thanks you sir.

also according to what tristant say from tkov-------------------------------one of your faction leader on strat

I dont see anywhere in the rules that its illegal to transfer via attacking

Strat map
          1) CMP's rules for not attacking your village to delay your enemy
          2) Multiaccounting. It is not allowed to own and use multiple more then 1 account on strategus.
          3) Accountsharing. It is not allowed to log into other players accounts.
          4) Night time. Night time is different for each player, therefore there are no rules to the usage of nighttime.
          5) Itembombing a fief. Dropping a lot of items in an enemy fief is not allowed. It causes incredibly long equipment lists for the fief.

To our knowledge there were no occitan armies coming for an attack. Hell, im pretty sure (not 100%) that there was like an hour inbetween the attacks that occitan could have used to attack the village, if thats what they were really gonna do.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: BaleOhay on May 05, 2013, 04:59:50 pm
pls tell us more casimir! according to kesh says so far been 10k you say 2k there is a mistake somewhere find it pls casimir.

technically Cas said over 2000.... 10,000 is def over 2000...
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Keshian on May 05, 2013, 05:21:31 pm
pls tell us more casimir! according to kesh says so far been 10k you say 2k there is a mistake somewhere find it pls casimir.

Lol, shu han gave you 3600 troops fully equipped just recently dropped off in asugan castle.  This is more than 2K as Casimir said.  its been noted this is not the first shipment of EU troops sent to you.  Not sure why you need to to so desperately distort what I said (10K?).  Just admit the fact that you have been getting substantial support from EU, no need to be cowardly and lie especially when most of eu already knows about it and lets us NA players know about it as they track the troop movements to asugan and bardaq castle where they get dropped off.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Casimir on May 05, 2013, 05:55:01 pm
pls tell us more casimir! according to kesh says so far been 10k you say 2k there is a mistake somewhere find it pls casimir.

I meant have just received over 2k troops arrowaine. I'm aware you've received a lot more in the past which is what i believe kesh was referring to arrowaine.  I don't think theres any mistake here arrowaine.

Well it's only slightly relevant, if you had read most of the thread you might have realized it was mostly about how to avoid gear over-saturation (item-bombing), whether intentional or not, in the repeated sieges of fiefs.  Where the troops came from in this particular situation was settled by some simple arithmetic earlier in the thread.

I see, well it was 5 in the morning and i just read the OP.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: arowaine on May 05, 2013, 05:59:12 pm
I meant have just received over 2k troops arrowaine. I'm aware you've received a lot more in the past which is what i believe kesh was referring to arrowaine.  I don't think theres any mistake here arrowaine.

I see, well it was 5 in the morning and i just read the OP.

still trying  to get the last point of kesh. he said we just got troop in asugan castle while those army still on eu explain me this casimir im just curious. and for your personal count we didnt reach 5k troops so far from eu :) and they still on eu. cant wait for napoleon reinforcement will be good to have my master on my side once again against the huge carebear alliance.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Hobb on May 05, 2013, 06:25:10 pm
No body cares that EU gives you troops, strat is a numbers game and we, the VE outnumber you quite a bit so cheers to that. You can be a poor small faction being beat up, or a formidable powerhouse sperglord carebear faction like the VE, you can't be both. So how many troops must you aquire/lose to not be considered poor little occitan anymore? Getting beat up by big bad VE/FCC.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: Keshian on May 05, 2013, 06:49:25 pm
No body cares that EU gives you troops, strat is a numbers game and we, the VE outnumber you quite a bit so cheers to that. You can be a poor small faction being beat up, or a formidable powerhouse sperglord carebear faction like the VE, you can't be both. So how many troops must you aquire/lose to not be considered poor little occitan anymore? Getting beat up by big bad VE/FCC.

It should be noted FCC has fought a total of 2 battles in the last 3 months against occitan.  One against a 1 man army teleporting him.  We havent fought against semenstorm either in at least 2 months.  We have been too busy fighting a number of other factions that ve is not at war with.  So semenstorm + occitan v. ve at this point though we are technically still at war with occitan.  Not sure how you get VE + FCC when we are fighting different opponents.
Title: Re: Night time Abuse
Post by: BaleOhay on May 05, 2013, 06:59:53 pm
have to agree with kesh. We actually have to be fighting you to be considered a carebear keeping you down?

We have been busy with other things. So really you are being picked on by those asshats in VE... Not those dicks in FCC