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Title: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: NuberT on May 03, 2011, 10:13:19 am
Reason: Long maul or boulder on a stick was always a very slow "one-hitter", but with latest nerf and the one before it has become a 2-3 hitter which makes the weapon obsolete as it is a disaster to defend yourself with it. Suggestion increase weight back to 9 where it was in january increase blunt to 42 (great maul has 43) and as compromise increase difficulty to 21.

I know most people wont agree because they dont like getting hammerd, but every class should have its counterpart!

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Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Magikarp on May 03, 2011, 10:22:41 am
I don't see why a longer weapon should deal more damage, all crushtrough weapons got a nerf, deal with it.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Dravic on May 03, 2011, 11:00:37 am
9 WEIGHT? ARE YOU DUMB OR WHAT?!

You want it to break through all blocks? No!

Yesterday a long maul user couldn't crush through my Steel Shield. And let's keep it that way...
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Camaris on May 03, 2011, 11:09:41 am
To be honest i dont think Long Maul was overpowered last patch
and to be honest it is for sure underpowered now.

It is fucking slow, it is unbalanced and every player with a bit of movement is able to
kill a Long Maul player.

PS: Im no polearmguy but have you seen sooo many long mauls before patch?
I didnt.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Tzar on May 03, 2011, 11:44:41 am
Its a support weapon and allways have been its useless for 1vs1 or rambo style...

Get some PS and your fine.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Casimir on May 03, 2011, 11:56:38 am
Buff the thrust damage on the long maul.

It does less damage than a wooden stick.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Torp on May 03, 2011, 12:25:24 pm
Buff thrust! 30 pierce!
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Elmetiacos on May 03, 2011, 12:49:33 pm
Long Maul is a silly weapon.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: MouthnHoof on May 03, 2011, 02:07:48 pm
37 blunt and 7 weight will crush through anything on a str build. With a requirement of 18 it is almost a given. It is also incredibly likely to knock down. Why do you demand that it will one shot on every hit as well? It is a support weapon, you are not supposed to defend with it much - time it, step in, crush the shielder to the ground, let the guy next to you finish him off. That is support.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: NuberT on May 03, 2011, 02:22:53 pm
Quote from: Dravic on May 03, 2011, 11:00:37 am
9 WEIGHT? ARE YOU DUMB OR WHAT?!

You want it to break through all blocks? No!

Yesterday a long maul user couldn't crush through my Steel Shield. And let's keep it that way...

Oh I see the game is balanced as long as you can hide behind your steel shield. I am so sorry I even suggested such hilarious things..

Quote from: MouthnHoof on May 03, 2011, 02:07:48 pm
37 blunt and 7 weight will crush through anything on a str build. With a requirement of 18 it is almost a given. It is also incredibly likely to knock down. Why do you demand that it will one shot on every hit as well? It is a support weapon, you are not supposed to defend with it much - time it, step in, crush the shielder to the ground, let the guy next to you finish him off. That is support.

Its not really playable on a strength build because the weapon itself is too slow block always correct and it gets even worse with less wpf. I played Mighty long maul once on strength build and it sucks even with 8,75 weight and 44 blunt.
Other then that I wouldnt make a strength char for it because I am fine with my other weapons on 21/18. I simply wont play long maul anymore with those stats.
Perhaps support is the new role the devs had in mind, but I doubt many people will play it..
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Siiem on May 03, 2011, 02:29:02 pm
Quote from: NuberT on May 03, 2011, 02:22:53 pm
Its not really playable on a strength build because the weapon itself is too slow block always correct and it gets even worse with less wpf.

So you want all the advantages that a 2h sword has combined with the speed of a 1h with 1 hit killing capabilities and crushthrough... You sir, are a douchebag.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Malaclypse on May 03, 2011, 02:50:55 pm
Quote from: NuberT on May 03, 2011, 02:22:53 pm
Perhaps support is the new role the devs had in mind, but I doubt many people will play it..

Doubt away! Long Maul and Pike are still my go to choices for support weaponry!
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Camaris on May 03, 2011, 03:39:50 pm
Quote from: Siiem on May 03, 2011, 02:29:02 pm
So you want all the advantages that a 2h sword has combined with the speed of a 1h with 1 hit killing capabilities and crushthrough... You sir, are a douchebag.

You Sir are exaggeratin.

70 Speed and Unbalanced is nothing compared to a 2H a 1H or anything else regardless if it has more weight or not.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Siiem on May 03, 2011, 03:45:56 pm
Quote from: Camaris on May 03, 2011, 03:39:50 pm
You Sir are exaggeratin.

70 Speed and Unbalanced is nothing compared to a 2H a 1H or anything else regardless if it has more weight or not.

Me exaggerating? Ah psh psh ka pah? NEVER.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Casimir on May 03, 2011, 05:09:26 pm
Long maul n pike was my combo pre patch, with the drop n slot system its not viable any more.

Masterwork pike is far more effective as a support weapon than a long maul.

But its still dominates at siege.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Native_ATS on May 03, 2011, 10:05:12 pm
Quote from: Magikarp on May 03, 2011, 10:22:41 am
I don't see why a longer weapon should deal more damage, all crushtrough weapons got a nerf, deal with it.
:rolleyes: this coming form the guy who wants to buff teh flamburg?
anyways the long maul was nerffed in damg and weight... my master work long maul us to deal 45blunt and weight 9lb, now it weights 7lb and deals 40 blunt, it is a pice of shit for a 3x loomed weapon, super slow and just crap, the high damg and weight made it ok but now it is usless
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Tzar on May 03, 2011, 10:41:16 pm
All weapoons got buttfucked no sense in keeping up being angry bout it just get used to it and think like this.

If my weapon got nerfed atleast everyone else got too so overall its all good.

About the crush just get some PS and you will be fine.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Native_ATS on May 03, 2011, 11:33:34 pm
Quote from: Tzar on May 03, 2011, 10:41:16 pm
All weapoons got buttfucked no sense in keeping up being angry bout it just get used to it and think like this.

If my weapon got nerfed atleast everyone else got too so overall its all good.

About the crush just get some PS and you will be fine.
i like how u think   :D
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Casimir on May 03, 2011, 11:50:23 pm
I still think it needs a thrust buff.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Cyclopsided on May 04, 2011, 09:46:38 am
Imo it shouldn't even have a thrust.

Changing topic, went ~20 - 5 two maps in a row using long maul.

it isn't bad at all -- yes you can be spammed, but not if you side swing. Overhead when with a teammate/secure situation. You can't just overhead and expect to get a free crush kill every time lol.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: MrShovelFace on May 06, 2011, 01:00:26 am
coming from a polearm user i can tell you that a weapon that literally outranges every 1h should have more draw backs than just speed. Although the nerf was harsh in targeting this mostly unused item i will shed no tears for any crush weapon nerfs

Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Zergmar on May 06, 2011, 01:26:56 am
2-3 hitting?
are we talking about not having 10 PS
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Casimir on May 06, 2011, 01:30:30 am
OMG this weapon needs thrust.

How can you play without it?

Its like pushing over bowling pins with a broom.

They biffed it from the 0 damage boulder thrust but not enough.

Also long maul is not a hard weapon to master.

Just rewuires forward planning and good awareness.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Seawied on May 07, 2011, 09:51:46 am
Increase the strength requirement by 2
Increase weight by 1
Increase thrust damage by 4

Problem solved.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Dravic on May 07, 2011, 02:44:54 pm
Quote from: Seawied on May 07, 2011, 09:51:46 am
Increase the strength requirement by 2
Increase weight by 1
Increase thrust damage by 4

Problem solved.

Fixed.

It is already heavy enough, so you crush through everything with PS 9-10, why do you want to buff it so with PS 7 it will crush through everything? The rest is OK.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: NuberT on May 07, 2011, 03:01:47 pm
Quote from: Dravic on May 07, 2011, 02:44:54 pm
Fixed.

It is already heavy enough, so you crush through everything with PS 9-10, why do you want to buff it so with PS 7 it will crush through everything? The rest is OK.
you know any polearm user with ps 9-10? I dont and I doubt its a usefull build with strategus in sight. The number of chrushthrough weapons has been really decreased which will lead to higher numbers of 1h+shield users as they have no class to fear..
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Casimir on May 07, 2011, 03:04:52 pm
I had 9ps as pole arm

27:12 is a very effective build with long maul.

However i wont be looming it again now the raw damage is gone.

Its just not the boulder which i loved so much :(
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Dravic on May 07, 2011, 03:07:02 pm
Quote from: NuberT on May 07, 2011, 03:01:47 pm
you know any polearm user with ps 9-10? I dont and I doubt its a usefull build with strategus in sight. The number of chrushthrough weapons has been really decreased which will lead to higher numbers of 1h+shield users as they have no class to fear..

No class to fear? Axes - 1h, 2h, polearms.

NO CLASS TO FEAR?!
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Leshanae on May 08, 2011, 04:24:30 am
As a longmaul user, I can say that it isn't so underpowered now as you say. I loved it before and I still love it after the patch. Yes, 70 speed is nothing. Great maul is by 10 faster, and it crushes through everything on 6 PS, and longmmaul is slower and crushes not so often. But this is a support weapon, it is really made only for sieges and it rocks there, and I find it to be right. Wait, step in, hit, step back and let your teammates finish the enemy if he is still alive.

The only bad thing in longmaul for me is that I use it for a long time, but still cannot get used to it's lengh. I don't feel 125. I feel the model to be made incorrectly, as a sidesword. But this is just what I feel, I may be wrong and I don' whine 'bout it.

What about thrust, longmaul really NEEDS NOT TO have thrust at all.



But yea, 2-3 hitting by crushthrough weapon (which is to smash enemy's head) even with 6 PS sucks, when 2h kill within 1-2 hits. I had a loomed longmaul, but I did not loom it again for the damage will still suck.

But I loomed mah coursa, go catch me you 1h turtles! 8p
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: UrLukur on May 09, 2011, 11:52:02 am
Quote from: NuberT on May 07, 2011, 03:01:47 pm
you know any polearm user with ps 9-10? I dont and I doubt its a usefull build with strategus in sight. The number of chrushthrough weapons has been really decreased which will lead to higher numbers of 1h+shield users as they have no class to fear..

Considering that many polearm users are sporting lolaxes (long axes) or poleaxes ... and considering that 1h is helpless against horses (yep, they are very often used) and against multiple archers (shield does not protect you from all sides), i don't feel that 1h will dominate, quite the otherwise.
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Torben on August 04, 2011, 01:31:56 pm
FOOLS!  the only thing the long maul realy needs is "usable from horseback"!
Title: Re: [WHINE] Long Maul is useless now
Post by: Spawny on August 04, 2011, 04:18:58 pm
Quote from: Torben on August 04, 2011, 01:31:56 pm
FOOLS!  the only thing the long maul realy needs is "usable from horseback"!

Epic!

Fancy a game of polo. We would need to implement flying body models though, so you can actually knockdown a group by bowling a shielder into them.