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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Jack1 on April 29, 2013, 01:59:55 am
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I personally think lancer cav needs an unnerf....
Lancer cav is supposed to 1 shot basically anything..... But it can't...
I personally think that cav is becoming a disadvantage for the fact that it takes 2-5 hits(depending on the build) to get a kill and if you get hit once, your done.
Just my thought.
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but then you would be able to kill 2handers, and c-rpg is lore friendly to 2handers only.
and hoplites
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2h isn't OP IMO, just be an archer... It's the hoplites that are OP
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2h isn't OP?
Lancers should be able to one shot everything?
If less people would post while smoking crack, that would also be great.
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In my opinion 2h isn't OP. and that yes, lancer should be able to 1 hit
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In my opinion 2h isn't OP. and that yes, lancer should be able to 1 hit
If less people would post while smoking crack, that would also be great.
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Well why exactly shouldn't lancer be buffed?
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Well why exactly shouldn't lancer be buffed?
What other class can routinely 1-hit ppl? Str melee builds, mainly 2h. Even then it's hit and miss. I had a 30/9 build that didn't often, and even Fip's 30/15 build doesn't always 1-hit me. Fully loomed arbas can also, but low rate of fire etc etc
So you give a class with the highest maneuverability the ability to 1-hit people aswell? Lancer cav hits so damn MANY ppl in a round, they'd be racking up atleast a dozen kills a round.
Hell, I'm a lancer cav and I don't want this!
Again: If less people would post while smoking crack, that would also be great.
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Only the heavy lance needs a buff, not the other lances
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I never said anything but my opinions. I just don't believe it's right that lancer cav have to hit low armored people twice and plated people about 5 times to kill them. While getting 1 hit like its nothing.
It's neither historically accurate or physically accurate.
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I'm pretty sure historical or realistic accuracy wasn't the intent with the nerf, just gameplay considerations more like it. It is weird stabbing a naked dude with a heavy lance from horseback and not having them die, but I guess it's better than..... the alternative? Cavalry were the dominant power on a medieval battlefield, but in a game there are balancing considerations to keep in mind. I don't mind, you can still support and do your thing and take on other cav.
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While you can still stab-bump-turn-stab-bump-turn-repeat until enemy is dead on an arabian, lancers do not need to be buffed.
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Remove he Arabian, then buff lancer cav. At least cav use OTHER horses nowadays, if you re-buff lances they'll go back to the go-cart.
Also, balance over realism, else we'll all get fucked by the peasant crossbows and pikes.
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at low speeds cav is fine, was overpowerd to 1 shot while trotting through the enemy, carefully maneuvering by pikes and infantry remotely paying attention. But it is kind of annoying having to stab naked people and super light armored people going so fast that 1 rock will 1 shot you if you get hit, and having to stab them 2-3 times at full speed. Even worse, is if your not at full speed with the heavy lance, it is correctly mocked as the heavy glance.
I do thank the devs for the challenge, but i wouldn't mind some speed bonus love, or just faster horses.
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I agree that the Arabian needs nerfing couse it's BS.....
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at low speeds cav is fine, was overpowerd to 1 shot while trotting through the enemy, carefully maneuvering by pikes and infantry remotely paying attention. But it is kind of annoying having to stab naked people and super light armored people going so fast that 1 rock will 1 shot you if you get hit, and having to stab them 2-3 times at full speed. Even worse, is if your not at full speed with the heavy lance, it is correctly mocked as the heavy glance.
I do thank the devs for the challenge, but i wouldn't mind some speed bonus love, or just faster horses.
I beleive they wanted cav as a support class, weaken the enemy before the main melee starts and pick off wounded. Same function as archers. If you're cav and chasing naked guys, you're doing it wrong. Play the team role, couch shielders, hit heavily armed 2h's etc etc
cRPG players need less focus on glory hunting and more on teamwork. Hell, even follow a friendly cav and lance the targets he just lanced!
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I think the problem with lancer cav is how weak it is against 1H cav.
It is easy enough for a 1H cav being chased to get behind a lancer using a wall tree or another obstacle or just letting the lancer glance due to the very poor/null speed bonus.
because lances had much of there radius taken away they are very weak against any two hander with a stab.
In my opinion the damage is good but horses are far too weak. Its easier to kill a horse than a man!
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You can tell Lance cav has been over nerfed, because they are not 1-hitting naked peasants. Heavy cavalry were the tanks of the medieval battlefields. Is it so hard to believe that a warrior with the most expensive horse, armor and weapons couldn't one shit kill a naked man while moving at full speed? Clearly that is broken.
It is a bit tricky to balance properly though, since armor does so little against pierce damage. I say we raise Heavy Lance damage by 1, and see what happens. You guys have to remember that this is not just a -1 damage net nerf from where lances were 6 months ago. Armor in general got a buff, and horses got nerfed. And you now take about half damage if you are moving away from a strike. Horses have a much harder time getting out of a crowded area now due to reduced charge damage, and the rider and horse become a valour pinata as soon as it comes to a stop. Currently, lancing on any type of elevation is a lost cause since the damage is so bad.
I beleive they wanted cav as a support class, weaken the enemy before the main melee starts and pick off wounded. Same function as archers. If you're cav and chasing naked guys, you're doing it wrong. Play the team role, couch shielders, hit heavily armed 2h's etc etc
cRPG players need less focus on glory hunting and more on teamwork. Hell, even follow a friendly cav and lance the targets he just lanced!
Then why is it that Pikers can effectively solo so many infantry and Cavalry in Strategus? Clearly their focus is not on making the right things into support class.
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What saddens me the most is that cavalry got nerfed because of GK`s , and their retarded way of playing as cavalry, e.g spawnraping..
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IMO Risen, couching is the only thing that should insta kill. Lance poking is about as effective as throwing rolled up 50$ bills at people and hoping they will die from shock. Couched lances pretty much always wipe out there target unless of course the speed bonus gets pwned somehow.
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What saddens me the most is that cavalry got nerfed because of GK`s , and their retarded way of playing as cavalry, e.g spawnraping..
na im pretty sure its more because dedicated loomed cavalry at the peak of there power could take on a hole team and win. pretty much no matter what horse they used, be it arab, courser, cataphrac or mamluk.
the changes were fair, anit cav got buffed, lancer cav got nerfed. in the process, 1h cav got more popular (it was strong before (look at ugly bastard on his charger), but lancers had a great edge due to there angle)
a few things that concern me, especially concidering lancer cav:
non loomed low level cav might be a bit underpowered. as cav you are a great target for ranged, so i kinda pitty the newbies to lancing.
very low damage vs low armored men. this can be frustrating, but tbh, if you hit the person at the sweetspot, you usually do oneshot.
very low charge. Im not complaining about bump damage, it could be 0 for all i care. but not beeng able to get passed a standing peasant is awkward. at least heavier horses should get passed one man at any low speed.
the heavy lance. ok so the damage is meh, who cares. but its so dam slow, putting it to a great disadvantage to any other mounted weapon :'/ it actually feels like it does about the same damage as a lance, i dont complain about that. but its speed makes it a predictable weapon with less room for finess
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IMO Risen, couching is the only thing that should insta kill. Lance poking is about as effective as throwing rolled up 50$ bills at people and hoping they will die from shock. Couched lances pretty much always wipe out there target unless of course the speed bonus gets pwned somehow.
unfortunatly a couched charge into a low-medium armored target can be a mere scratch.
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What saddens me the most is that cavalry got nerfed because of GK`s , and their retarded way of playing as cavalry, e.g spawnraping..
cunts.
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The heavy lance was slightly unnerfed, and I only use it in strat battles for the most part...but unless I'm riding a courser (or stabbing another horseman who's coming directly at me) it's pretty damn useless. Try using a heavy lance from an armored horse, or any horse that is under 42 speed, and you'll want to pull your hair out.
I wouldn't so much mind the current heavy lance damage, if couching actually did something useful. It seems like when I thrust the heavy lance I do more damage than couching, and that's just plain wrong.
*EDIT* I have 7 power strike and 6 riding
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Lancer cav is supposed to 1 shot basically anything..... But it can't...
and where is that written?
other than that, yes lancer cav is rather weak. I actually think that the super old lance wide lance radius was more fun because you could do something else than backstab unaware, but of course this was also shit.
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Make heavy lance couchable on foot with 9 athletics and I'm happy.
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Lancer cav is perfectly fine, if you are patient and don't charge into unfavourable situations hoping to get lucky by getting a kill, you can easily do very well.
When i am playing patiently with my lancer i can post scores like 18-0, but when i am eratic i tend to get 4-4 or something like that.
Damage is good
Horse Hp is good
Manoeuvrability is good
It is probably the most balanced class out there
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I personally think lancer cav needs an unnerf....
2h isn't OP IMO, just be an archer... It's the hoplites that are OP
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Lancer cav is perfectly fine, if you are patient and don't charge into unfavourable situations hoping to get lucky by getting a kill, you can easily do very well.
When i am playing patiently with my lancer i can post scores like 18-0, but when i am eratic i tend to get 4-4 or something like that.
Damage is good
Horse Hp is good
Manoeuvrability is good
It is probably the most balanced class out there
What horse/weapon are you using, and what is your riding/power strike?
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Dorothy something 1shots my arabian with throwing dagger and you want it to be nerfed?
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What horse/weapon are you using, and what is your riding/power strike?
Using the Champion Courser (very underrated horse)
Using a MW Lance
Currentl lvl 27
18/18
2 IF
6PS
6 Athl
6 Riding
103 Wpf
Lvl 30 build that iwill be going for:
18/21
3 iF
6 PS
7 Athl
7 Riding
i may go 21/18
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Riding a champion courser using a lance (both of which I use, but I use the MW Lance), then of course you're not going to think lancer cav could use a buff. However the heavy lance is pretty terrible (even after a slight damage buff after the heavy nerf). Try using a non-loomed heavy lance from anything other than your courser and tell me that there's not something wrong.
Also, the heavy lance being couched is terrible as well, it honestly feels like the thrust does more damage (maybe the difference in damage is just negligible, if that's the case the only time to couch would be to avoid getting your thrust blocked).
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Riding a champion courser using a lance (both of which I use, but I use the MW Lance), then of course you're not going to think lancer cav could use a buff. However the heavy lance is pretty terrible (even after a slight damage buff after the heavy nerf). Try using a non-loomed heavy lance from anything other than your courser and tell me that there's not something wrong.
Also, the heavy lance being couched is terrible as well, it honestly feels like the thrust does more damage (maybe the difference in damage is just negligible, if that's the case the only time to couch would be to avoid getting your thrust blocked).
this thread is not about the Heavy Lance, its about lancer cav and i gave a very viable option, but yes i do agree the Heavy Glance does need a buff
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Buff heavy lance and nerf this fuckin arabian horse , I can't kill it with a +3 longbow with 3 arrows ,and I can't even hit this shit ... (a guy who has 7 riding can fuck archers, infantry, lancers with an horse who has high speed/agility, which is really silly)
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Buff heavy lance and ....
Selling my heavy lance to fund 1h heavy cav alt.
Only way forward since they killed that once glorious weapon.
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I personally think lancer cav needs an unnerf....
Lancer cav is supposed to 1 shot basically anything..... But it can't...
I personally think that cav is becoming a disadvantage for the fact that it takes 2-5 hits(depending on the build) to get a kill and if you get hit once, your done.
Just my thought.
2h isn't OP IMO, just be an archer... It's the hoplites that are OP
Wait, so the same guy thinks that lance cav should receive a buff but hoplites are overpowered? Considering that they use the same animation I'm in complete and utter disbelief a strength-crutching NA baddie.
So if I equip a Light Lance/Lance/Heavy Lance as a hoplite, I can one shot everything right?
Or if a lance cav gets dismounted, his stats should be nerfed because he is now a hoplite?
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Dude, if this is all it takes for you to be thrown into a tailspin of shock and awe, you're in for a rude awakening at some point down the line.
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I only notice a problem with damage when chasing other cav or when other cav are chasing me. Cav running away (from anything) receive way too little damage. Most of the time, I feel completely safe with cav stabbing at my back, because I know it will barely do any damage, and only a few swerves are needed to get them away.
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Couch needs buff. It's actually pretty weak now...
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Rhaelys,
I personally think that hoplite is OP... But not so OP that it deserves a nerf. It's just that they have much more length then a 1H while using a shield, thus being great in group fights, but not good at 1v1's because of the 1 attack direction.
I'm also not implying that you should be ably to use a lance and 1 hit anything on foot, my point is cav.
if you use a lance on horseback it should 1hit most anything if your going full speed on a fast horse.. (courser, destrier, arab)
When you use lances on foot (except light lance) it's nearly impossible to do good couse there too slow. Thus you bring a different weapon.
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two things i learned today:
1) i bought a +3 arab, with a +3 lance it feels almost like in the old days.
2) heavy lances on heavy horses do practically no damage, learned that in a strat battle today. give the hlance some love :/
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2) heavy lances on heavy horses do practically no damage, learned that in a strat battle today. give the hlance some love :/
Last time I was cavalry I had a +3 heavy lance and a +3 large warhorse (before the 1 damage buff to the heavy lance), and I bounced on kuyak heroes and mail hauberks with full speed couches. That shit was retarded. Buff Heavy Lance!
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so many facepalms in here time for a gnjus palm
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