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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: gagewins on May 02, 2011, 10:44:33 pm

Title: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: gagewins on May 02, 2011, 10:44:33 pm
I just bought this game thew steam a few days ago because it was on sale, and i liked the concept c-rpg had to bring to the game, and I've put 7 hours of gameplay into this game so far 6 of it on c-rpg, and I realize you have to grind up to get good at this game, but its no fun being new and getting one shoted by everyone.... I only have 2 kills total during that 6 hours of time i spent on c-rpg, and they were just luck...

I just think if anyone has any ideas to help this game be fun to new players like me that would be grate, because its no fun hearing from everyone "just hide behind a bigger guy if you can and try to take a lucky shot" Thats no skill and no fun...

How else is this game going to attract more people? How can c-rpg expect to grow if all new players dont have a chance at anything and have to put in long hours to even have a chance?

The only thing i can think to help this problem would be to have a server specific for new players, so the playing field is a little more balanced...

Thank you for your time, and i accept all helpful/positive criticism!
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Tzar on May 02, 2011, 10:48:07 pm
TBH c-RPG has never been anymore noob friendly then in its current state i cant understand what misslead you to think its tuff to be new here..
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Duerkos on May 02, 2011, 11:24:47 pm
Try the siege servers, there are lots of newbies there. When you hit level 20 or 15 you are more or less set up (unless you are trying an archer, possibly), the big problem with this game is skill, not levels. And I think that's not going to change.

If you think the skill-level together are too much to overcome, try other warband mods to get experience on how to block, etc.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: gagewins on May 02, 2011, 11:31:30 pm
I only have been playing on the siege servers, and i did first try archer which i noticed failed quite a bit, so as soon as i hit 15, I retired and now I'm re-leveling up going as sword and shield and researched a good build for it, just so i don't get 1 shot by archers when i spawn >.>

Also its hard to get in a fight with noob vs noob because like i said, you get 1 shoted by everyone else, so by the time you find and reach each other, there is another guy there that one shots you or an archer with a crossbow gets you.

Also I have done the other game modes/single player to learn how everything works, but when I come across a high lvl guy, his weapon speed and ability to 1 shot me overcomes my blocking ability, sometimes I am able to block 2-3 shots, but thats all i can do is block, because if i take the time to retaliate, their weapon speed overcomes mine, and they one shot me compared to the 8+ shots it takes for me to kill them.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: OoberNoob on May 03, 2011, 06:52:06 am
Ive seen threads that mention starting new players off at lvl 10 or 15 for the first gen so that they dont get so discouraged when they first start off and I kinda agree with that except then I remember back to my first match.

I started off and 3 steps into the game i get 1 shot by an xbow, the beginning of the next round i scanned the crowd for the biggest most bad-ass teammate i could find and i followed him around for the rest of the map. 

Now you can level up to 15 in an hour or so of playing where used to it took days if you were new and or sucked.  And while being a higher level wont automatically give you the ability to beat some of the big guys, usually it gives you enough health and heavy enough armor to survive the first few hits so you can learn and correct your mistakes.

If all else fails just get on a duel server for a few hours, you'll learn the basics real quick.  It took me over 9 months to figure that out.  :oops:
   
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: La Makina on May 03, 2011, 11:28:27 am
Thing is that c-RPG tends to be for an elite: designed by experienced players for experienced players. Elitist yes, but also open. So, first of all, welcome!

When I started I would have liked to play on "peasants only" server but I doubt that someone would ever make a server just for this.

If you are motivated by the adventure, I would strongly advise spending some time on the tutorial first. That may be one of the rare games in which you need to pass through the tutorial because there are basic things that are difficult to learn (I am thinking of manual blocking in particular). Get used to fight with the bots of the tutorial, they give you the opportunity to learn basic technics, sharpen your reflexes, try things... It is a very good start IMO.

I won't lie to you: as a beginner and with a character from level 1 to 20, you will have hard times in c-RPG. Don't give up because the game has a well-thought learning scale. Be sure that you will progress fast.

A friend of mine has recently joined the game (and cRPG). I thought he will give up fast because he was just getting killed on and on but he kept on playing and now he scores decently and is having good fun.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Digglez on May 03, 2011, 04:56:46 pm
I've had the game less than a month and am 1/2 way thru my 3rd generation.

If you havent played native extensively dont expect to even come close to breaking even with your KDR.  It takes time to learn the timing of weapons and their attacks.  There isnt really any other mentionable melee-centric games out there, so its very different and has a good learning curve.

Best advice I can give a new player is shield + 1h.  Help box in or rope-a-dope enemies so your allies can kill them for you.  If they turn their attention off you, take a swipe at them.  Do not walk around chambered or you will be killed easily since you arent a great judge of weapon ranges/speeds.

I probably got less than 10 kills total my first generation, but prob had 250+ assists.  Boxing people in really does help your allies immensely.  I enjoy playing the underdog and had fun being the little harmless peasant that was the deciding factor in taking down the killing spree tincan guy for my team.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: IG_Saint on May 03, 2011, 07:05:27 pm
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The learning curve is pretty steep for warband and even more so for c-rpg. levels, stats and weapons are nowhere near as important as skill. The only way to get that skill is to play. A lot.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: gagewins on May 03, 2011, 07:51:09 pm
Quote from: La Makina on May 03, 2011, 11:28:27 am
If you are motivated by the adventure, I would strongly advise spending some time on the tutorial first. That may be one of the rare games in which you need to pass through the tutorial because there are basic things that are difficult to learn (I am thinking of manual blocking in particular). Get used to fight with the bots of the tutorial, they give you the opportunity to learn basic technics, sharpen your reflexes, try things... It is a very good start IMO.

I won't lie to you: as a beginner and with a character from level 1 to 20, you will have hard times in c-RPG. Don't give up because the game has a well-thought learning scale. Be sure that you will progress fast.

A friend of mine has recently joined the game (and cRPG). I thought he will give up fast because he was just getting killed on and on but he kept on playing and now he scores decently and is having good fun.

First off, thank all you guys for your feedback, After making this post I did go play on Native with a bunch of people with about the same gear as me and that was an eye opener on how much skill this game really does take  :lol: also before even going into multi-player i did complete the entire tutorial, I've been playing RPG's for a little over 9 years now, and I got this game just because of how different it was compared to others such as WoW, Diablo, and more, This game just has a uniqueness to it that will take it a long way!
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Dexxtaa on May 03, 2011, 08:23:58 pm
Thing about cRPG is that you gotta play smart.

I've seen far too many peasants run in at the first opportunity with their arena shields and pitchforks hoping to whiff me to death. For the most part, I ignore them, but sometimes I get caught up in the battle and dismantle the poor guy.

Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Duerkos on May 05, 2011, 12:27:30 am
Try to play support, you'll never want to be the first guy going for battle. Try to circle the opponent (if he's fighting against a teammate) and annoy him/kill him. Playing with a pike is very useful and awesome. If he tries to kill you, you will have more time to block (since he has to change direction) and the guy he was fighting will probably pick him off from behind.

But you'll have to learn some blocking/attacking skills sometime, my advice would be to either be a one shield+fast sword (youll learn timing attacks and such, very important) and then move to "hard" weapons like polearms and 2h swords, where blocking is a must.

That's what I should have done, instead I done it wrong. My first character was archer, didnt like it (it depends a lot of on stats), then moved to 2h and sucked a lot, and now I'm cavalry/pike player, going for support.

After your first generation you won't be the guy on the top scores, but you won't be at the bottom. Keep playing!  :)
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Rumblood on May 05, 2011, 01:08:40 am
Your problem is that the game takes a certain amount of skill best learned in the single player arena first. While I didnt finish the single player campaign, without the time I spent there, my first experience with multi-player and cRPG would have been frustrating as well, Im sure.

Remember, you need a skill foundation before you can jump into the ring  :wink:
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Whalen207 on May 05, 2011, 01:37:25 am
Quote from: Duerkos on May 05, 2011, 12:27:30 am
and now I'm cavalry/pike player, going for support.

What? How? That's a retarded build.
You'd have to put points in Athletics for the pikeman, which is useless for the Cavalryman.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Tydeus on May 05, 2011, 04:26:05 am
If you're below level 25 and you're new to this game and gen 1, my suggestion is to just buy a pike and get at least 5 athletics. Just jump around and evade the hell out of people while supporting your team with the pike. Granted this isn't so effective on siege, you can still win entire rounds on battle simply because of pike support.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Rannepear on May 05, 2011, 05:43:49 am
There is a steep learning curve, but the game is still fun and even as a newbie you level up the same as everyone else. Just how it is. You will get owned in Native too as a noobie.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Banok on May 05, 2011, 05:54:59 am
tbh being new is the funnest part. your leveling up getting stronger, if you dont enjoy that then you missed half the point of cRPG. its later on when your lvl 30 that it gets boring and becomes a dull grind.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: yakri on May 05, 2011, 07:50:34 am
Quote from: Banok on May 05, 2011, 05:54:59 am
tbh being new is the funnest part. your leveling up getting stronger, if you dont enjoy that then you missed half the point of cRPG. its later on when your lvl 30 that it gets boring and becomes a dull grind.

That part is great, it would just be better if it happened over a shorter amount of time, especially since you can't reset skills.

25-50% faster leveling would be fantastic imo, and/or a sharper curve at a later level, so that noobs can hit level 15-ish much faster.

Most builds become semi-viable at least around that point, 20 is a little better, but you can manage at 15.

At 10 you still get killed due to crappier equipment/stats all the time.

under 10 you just die out of hand.

The noob levels can be amusing, but only if they don't last too long, and at least I think they do right now.


Also, you can't actually start getting better until you get something close to your final setup.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Blondin on May 05, 2011, 08:56:25 am
As someone said, the mod as never be so open to new players, before big patch it was a real pain to suffer first steps as a noob.

Now you can be lvl20 and have viable equipment in few hours (some say it's too fast, some say they miss it, but it's elitist bs). If you have problems now as a new player, it's no more a matter of gear, but a matter of skills and time to learn how to survive. It's that the begining are very hard, try to stay close to good players to see how they play, learn to defend and block, footwork and timing are the key.
You will need time before enjoying a good duel or a charge that ends by death of your enemies.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Rannepear on May 06, 2011, 06:59:04 pm
I know I got to at least 15 in a day..so it's far from impossible.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Duerkos on May 07, 2011, 10:54:37 pm
Quote from: Whalen207 on May 05, 2011, 01:37:25 am
What? How? That's a retarded build.
You'd have to put points in Athletics for the pikeman, which is useless for the Cavalryman.

I must be retarded then. I never needed lots of Athletics for any melee build, less in my opinion if you are going to be pikeman (you are not going to be blocking/ dancing)
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: Kaelaen on May 09, 2011, 04:13:56 pm
Quote from: Tydeus on May 05, 2011, 04:26:05 am
Granted this isn't so effective on siege,

Heh, I don't think you've seen the CanYouBlockDown and CanYouBlockUp train then.  Granted I doubt they can play on siege very much because Brunchlady can't seen to play on highly populated servers, and seeing as now even I can't play on them anymore due to server lag I am guessing they haven't been able to show other pikers how it's done.
Title: Re: A way to make the game FUN for new players?
Post by: mcdeath on May 09, 2011, 04:34:37 pm
When I first got into crpg I was not good at all 6 hours in I had about 4 kills and 100 deaths, then I went to dual severs and got better. Its not hard to get any skill in a game it just takes time