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Title: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Panos on April 21, 2013, 10:55:34 pm
Once again Strat became dull and gay.

Every strat it`s the same shit, no wonder a lot of smaller clans abandon it..

Big clans, ally each other and they stack up waiting for nothing..

my old friendgets.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Haboe on April 21, 2013, 11:13:10 pm
No wipe untill battle system changes.

This strat it took us my old friendgets some time to figure out that attacking a castle or town is a bitch, if you wipe now its gonna be sitting ducks from the start...
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on April 21, 2013, 11:14:52 pm
nooooo do not wipe it use the friggin Tickets before :idea:

my Suggestion is too let every gained Ticket disappear after 1-2 weeks.so u has 1-2 weeks time too inicate a Battel or ur daarn Grind is useless.


edit: additonal too that there should be an hardcap of used Tickets per Battel.500-1k.That solve all issues Strat has from INACTIVE Leechers too Sieges.1 Battel 30min. - 1H next Battel.
Probelms solved :!:
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Panos on April 21, 2013, 11:22:15 pm
Quote from: Haboe on April 21, 2013, 11:13:10 pm
No wipe untill battle system changes.

This strat it took us my old friendgets some time to figure out that attacking a castle or town is a bitch, if you wipe now its gonna be sitting ducks from the start...

great, u took some towns and now u sit and wait for what?
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 21, 2013, 11:31:33 pm
I actually think there's some potential for some great wars at the moment. Everyone just need to step up.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on April 21, 2013, 11:35:05 pm
let the shit get real  :lol:
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 21, 2013, 11:36:49 pm
Strat shouldn't get wiped until it gets a feature overhaul that changes things enough to stop them from going down this path.
The players won't change, the game has to.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Panos on April 21, 2013, 11:39:00 pm
Quote from: BASNAK on April 21, 2013, 11:31:33 pm
I actually think there's some potential for some great wars at the moment. Everyone just need to step up.

it`s a shame that this will never happen.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Matey on April 21, 2013, 11:53:41 pm
Quote from: Panos on April 21, 2013, 10:55:34 pm
Once again Strat became dull and gay.

Every strat it`s the same shit, no wonder a lot of smaller clans abandon it..

Big clans, ally each other and they stack up waiting for nothing..

my old friendgets.

heh. EU.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Jack1 on April 22, 2013, 12:16:24 am
Ikr. It seems as though all EU is is one big turtle, insted of waiting for the wipe, why not do it now?
I doubt EU can even fight off all those if you had 2 weeks packed solid with fights.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Teeth on April 22, 2013, 12:41:29 am
Let it die
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Casimir on April 22, 2013, 01:18:53 am
I disagree with the notion that 'everyone' is sitting inactive doing nothing.  The majority definitely are, but there are some factions who persistent will to fight is self evident.

There are so many factions sat around with 5k+ troops in every single fief yet they do nothing. Factions who sit on 30k+ troops and yet show almost no sign of ever launching attacks on oen another.


Here are the numbers, this should prove beyond doubt that half of EU is a fucking embarrassment.

Troops held in garrison of Towns and Castles (Pop NOT included).
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Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BaleOhay on April 22, 2013, 01:25:32 am
Happy they split the maps. NA side has been actively at war the entire time.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 01:39:12 am
Ghuraba are currently dealing with some administrational stuff. When we're done with that we promise war. (not easy only having 5 members and 18k troops)
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Panos on April 22, 2013, 01:51:54 am
Quote from: BaleOhay on April 22, 2013, 01:25:32 am
Happy they split the maps. NA side has been actively at war the entire time.

in EU we do forum wars like a bunch of bundle of stickss
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Sparvico on April 22, 2013, 03:24:20 am
Oh no, EU people are to cowardly to go to war with eachother in a significant way. Better wipe strat.

(and yet all the time they bitch about american centrism, especially panos. Look in the fucking mirror).
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Casimir on April 22, 2013, 03:51:30 am
The issue is with stagnation, people get bored of doing stuff on strat after a couple weeks, factions stagnate once they get control of land and defensive bonuses mean that they can easily hold territory against potential usurpers. Large clans have the ability to ensure that even with a small group of active strat players 'managing' a horde of troop producers they can effectively grind troops faster than their enemies can produce them. The defensive nature of the EU meta game and the mentality of of 'block membership' means that unless one side commits itself to a assive (and likely doomed) offensive the war is unlikely to heat up any time soon.


Stagnation:

EU has been locked in a cold war for over a month, before that there were daily battles and sieges. Since the fall of Yalen none of the 'big players' have done anything worthy of note (in all fairness the last few days coalition has launched an offensive, but the extent of that is as of yet unknown).  There is no issue for any of these faction on mustering active players (check the numbers showing up for fights) nor having resources on strat (check my previous post on garrison numbers).  It may be that that people have simply lost interest in strat, but if that was so would these people remain so obviously active on diplomacy.  For example I see numerous Merc's posting here in the diplomacy and strat forum,  although most of them claim to no longer be involved in strat. I also see members of every major faction posting in diplomacy threads so surely its not that these people aren't interested.


Overwhelming defensive advantage:

I am sure that the defensive advantage in this game is what is ruining it, even before siege equip was bugged defenders had it far too easy. As you cannot 'starve out' defenders nor do 'long term' damage to fortifications defensive advantage is overwhelming.  Defences are (relatively speaking) historically accurate, they give the kind of advantage that defenders had at the time, but this is not balanced for game play and it leads to this stagnation. Attacking forces have to be SO overwhelming in numbers to stand a chance of taking control that launching offensives is strategic suicide. A new form of 'Siege' battle mode could be added which would allow for actual besieging of a fief causing MASSIVE attrition inside (this should require a much larger army and should after a number of days be successful, unless a reliving forces is sent).


Block membership:

Balance of powers on NA has proved that without dominating bloc meta games strat can be relatively fluid, unfortunately EU is so entrenched in its ways that it is unlikely to change. NA has undoubtedly seen a growth in 'block membership' over this iteration of strat, as is to be expected. However relations are more fluid in NA with powers rising and falling over time, this is very similar to strat 1.0. I can only speculate over whether the dominate powers of NA would retain their relations if there was a wipe, as EU faction have in the past. Ultimately the EU 'block membership' mentality is something which has not changed over 4 iterations of the game, since the formation of the 'UIF' the two major players of that faction have not once been in conflict, in response the other major powers have now aligned themselves along similar such lines, worsening this element of the meta-game. Maybe I'll find myself crusading in Nova Calradia, seems a lot more fun over there.


Conclusion:

Strat can be fun again if: 1.) Game breaking bugs (undiscussed) are fixed. 2.) Siege mechanics are reworked to strengthen attackers (e.g. 'Siege' battle modes) 3.) 'Block membership' mentalities are broken down and PLAYERS make the conscious choice to fight those who have traditionally been their allies.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Keshian on April 22, 2013, 04:42:30 am
Quote from: BaleOhay on April 22, 2013, 01:25:32 am
Happy they split the maps. NA side has been actively at war the entire time.

Oh yeah.

Quote from: Casimir on April 22, 2013, 01:18:53 am
Here are the numbers, this should prove beyond doubt that half of EU is a fucking embarrassment.

Troops held in garrison of Towns and Castles (Pop NOT included).
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Though we had heard DRZ was selling troops at least to NA mostly occitan, but shouldn't they have more troops than that?  Coalition and Templars had been focusing most of their fight on grey order, ignoring DRZ for now.  Shouldn't they have close to the highest number of troops?  So my big questions really is how much strat gold would it take to sell all  the EU troops listed to NA (like DRZ sold to Occitan) for some good old-fashioned war-mongering that NA is notorious for?
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Haboe on April 22, 2013, 09:14:42 am
Quote from: Panos on April 21, 2013, 11:22:15 pm
great, u took some towns and now u sit and wait for what?

For siege gear to be fixed maybe?
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Segd on April 22, 2013, 09:52:33 am
Quote from: Keshian on April 22, 2013, 04:42:30 am
Though we had heard DRZ was selling troops at least to NA mostly occitan, but shouldn't they have more troops than that?  Coalition and Templars had been focusing most of their fight on grey order, ignoring DRZ for now.  Shouldn't they have close to the highest number of troops?  So my big questions really is how much strat gold would it take to sell all  the EU troops listed to NA (like DRZ sold to Occitan) for some good old-fashioned war-mongering that NA is notorious for?
1)We didn't sell anything except 1 village for 75k  :lol:
2)We were reinforcing Greys(one or 2 armies) & kicking CA from west part of the map(Yalen etc.)
3)We had some fight for Jamiche region
4)We have 97 players & main part of them don't have ticks. Our ticket production 3-5 lower than Greys or anybody else  :rolleyes: Btw, this was anti-uif mistake. They should come to our lands first since we didn't have a lot of new recruits for our armies.

About wipe: Strat is dead, no reason to poke a corpse.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 22, 2013, 03:52:01 pm
Cas - NA is largely been bloc membership mentality this strat and strat 3.0 (with quite a few allies/affiliations carrying over, as well as enemies).   

Also I think that a change to the siege mode (allowing for starving out a castle or city) would be awesome, but I don't think you should need "overwhelming" forces to do so.  You should only need a force large enough to surround the city/castle (aka block the gates leading into or out of) and if you're not a large enough force, the enemy inside would be able to sally out (if they choose to end the siege) and attack you.  Or a relieving force could attack you. 

That is the big problem with strategus, you can't starve a city or castle out, and it's very easy for people to slip in our out of the castle with 1000's of troops in the dead of night (which would be pretty easy to see if you were a defending army besieging a castle)
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Tomas on April 22, 2013, 03:58:14 pm
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Your numbers seem a little bit out Casi.

I get the following (including NA clans)

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Re-ordered in terms of turtle factor (Troops divided by members) this gives:
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Please note that this list and my conclusions completely ignore activity levels so should be completely ignored :D  I was just bored and it might cause some drama

Wild accusations for people to use based on my findings
1) NA fights more than EU!
2) FCC have not fought more than the average NA clan relative to their size!
3) Hospitaller have fought the most!
4) CHAOS are massive turtles!
5) Mercs are all talk and never actually do any real fighting of their own!
6) Crusader Alliance are clearly just an inactive clan!
7) The Silk Road Federation and Ghuraba need to attack each other or be branded massive cowards!




Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 04:11:38 pm
Actually, the true calculation for Ghuraba is 3k troops per player ._.
(Including all our troops in field + garrison)


But this is mostly because people that were too busy trying to wipe us not so long ago have been stacking about 25k troops around us.

And secondly, Strat aint nothin but tickets and hoes!
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Tomas on April 22, 2013, 05:38:25 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on April 22, 2013, 04:06:26 pm
6) Crusaders are the only large faction pursuing a large offensive, probably the most active from a military viewpoint.

In that case their turtle factor is artificially low due to armies in the field  :wink:

Quote from: HESKEYTIME on April 22, 2013, 04:06:26 pm
7) LOL, Ghuraba IS Silk Road Federation xD Silk Road consists of 2 main founding factions; Rice Eaters and Ghuraba. So i don't think they'll be attacking each other.

Ghuraba = owners of Yalen
Silk Road Federation = a separate strat clan atm, owning 4 other fiefs.

Politics are irrelevent - let the war begin!!!!
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 05:51:19 pm
Quote from: Tomas on April 22, 2013, 05:38:25 pm
In that case their turtle factor is artificially low due to armies in the field  :wink:

Ghuraba = owners of Yalen
Silk Road Federation = a separate strat clan atm, owning 4 other fiefs.

Politics are irrelevent - let the war begin!!!!

I'd rather see my troops used for a greater cause. Like, you know.. maybe against those who started a great gangbang against Shu Han and Ghuraba not so long ago?
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Tomas on April 22, 2013, 06:06:31 pm
Why?

You have the opportunity to fight small wars against one (or more) of numerous opponents, having fun and gaining xp.  But instead you are going to sit around doing nothing on the off chance that you happen to be active the next time one of the major clans you like goes on the offensive against one of the major clans you dislike???

Never before have small clans had so much opportunity to wage their own wars without having to get involved in the major boring ones.  Even GO seem to have realised that there is very little point anymore in killing the small clans first unless they directly ally against you and yet we still see small clans entering into these stupid massive alliances.  Stay out, stay neutral and beat each other up in small fun wars whilst the bigger clans bore each other to death.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: [ptx] on April 22, 2013, 06:16:27 pm
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That is so incredibly naive. The moment they took their troops out of their fiefs to go to war with each other, the neighbouring big bads would pick the lightly defended fiefs right up. Especially in this "cold war" situation, where they don't have anything else to do anyway.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 06:50:16 pm
Quote from: Tomas on April 22, 2013, 06:06:31 pm
Why?

You have the opportunity to fight small wars against one (or more) of numerous opponents, having fun and gaining xp.  But instead you are going to sit around doing nothing on the off chance that you happen to be active the next time one of the major clans you like goes on the offensive against one of the major clans you dislike???

Never before have small clans had so much opportunity to wage their own wars without having to get involved in the major boring ones.  Even GO seem to have realised that there is very little point anymore in killing the small clans first unless they directly ally against you and yet we still see small clans entering into these stupid massive alliances.  Stay out, stay neutral and beat each other up in small fun wars whilst the bigger clans bore each other to death.

Sadly it is not that simple, Although you made a good point and argument. I've seen many examples where larger factions do get involved (some including my own wars). Always leading to smaller factions getting involved in large faction's wars. This makes strat very limited and boring. Our choices are limited. Either stay neutral and only trade - Or have your own voice and get fucked.

I see there's a slight change in mentality amongst many factions these days, but there are still not any changes and no factions taking the step required to making EU strat a more fun place. I think more players realize that block wars are not "winnable", or lead to anything but camping and boredom.

If the remaining large factions could keep their wars to themselves. Not sticking their noses everywhere. And officialy declaring to leave ALL small factions alone - Which would let the rest of us play the game like it's supposed to, and then we pretty much reached a goal which has been the Rebel's main goal since start of Strategus 4.

And maybe if everyone didn't take the game so seriously, people could even start declaring wars on allies and friends. (You know, something Rebels have been doing for ages)
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: [ptx] on April 22, 2013, 07:22:44 pm
Quote from: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 06:50:16 pm
And maybe if everyone didn't take the game so seriously, people could even start declaring wars on allies and friends. (You know, something Rebels have been doing for ages)
Oh, yes, lol. This.

It's funny how upset some people can get the moment you even suggest as much - it's as if waging war on someone = stabbing them IRL :lol:

This reminds me, weren't you guys oh-so-terribly upset, when UDNWSFLC (i hope i got that right :P) robbed one of your caravans early in this strat? :D
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 07:27:00 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 22, 2013, 07:22:44 pm
Oh, yes, lol. This.

It's funny how upset some people can get the moment you even suggest as much - it's as if waging war on someone = stabbing them IRL :lol:

This reminds me, weren't you guys oh-so-terribly upset, when UDNWSFLC (i hope i got that right :P) robbed one of your caravans early in this strat? :D

We had recently started the Rebels, trying to fight for the smaller factions, and were attacked by one (UDNWSFLC). Which was a suprise to me (as I found it counter-productive). Therefore I asked you for some sort of solution, rather than fighting, but you said you attack whomever you want.

Which we accepted, and fought the battle and then never had an incident with you again.
--

But yes, the amount of hate after declaring war on someone, can sometimes be hilarious to watch and listen to.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: [ptx] on April 22, 2013, 07:34:50 pm
That is one thing i don't understand
Quote from: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 07:27:00 pm
trying to fight for the smaller factions
What does this even mean...?
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 07:41:40 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 22, 2013, 07:34:50 pm
That is one thing i don't understandWhat does this even mean...?

It means, fighting block alliances. Which of course, because of our small memberbase would not change or hurt block alliances too much. The idea was to just stick our noses and getting involved in any business leading to the weakening of the block alliance system.

At the start of Strat 4, small factions not aligned to any block alliance were pretty much not capable of doing anything.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: [ptx] on April 22, 2013, 08:18:03 pm
I don't see how getting wiped by some uber bloc helps small clans or makes their strat experience any more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 08:21:29 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 22, 2013, 08:18:03 pm
I don't see how getting wiped by some uber bloc helps small clans or makes their strat experience any more enjoyable.

Never got wiped ;)

I do not think you have followed strat since you quit, to know much about our activities anyways.

But who cares. Now back to the original discussion about wiping strat  :o
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Vermilion on April 22, 2013, 09:18:06 pm
Don't wipe strat.. There's a better solution :)

Increase troop upkeep above 1000 troops and beyond.

The fact that the coalition can afford to have 31853 tickets for Narra's army shows that the system is faulted.

The maximum troops for a battle is about 1500-2000, therefore above 4000 troops in one fief is unnecessary (tickets above this are just there to stop people being able to attack). The cost for 10k troops should be so expensive that you can't afford it.

This will stop the end-less stock piling and everyone will be forced to use their tickets or loose them.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on April 22, 2013, 09:23:20 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on April 22, 2013, 06:42:42 pm
Why would the small factions who try to exist outside the 2 blocks attack each other? Their unity and relative high activity is what makes them strong. They aren't here to scrap with each other in a pit whilst the bigger factions place bets on their favourites and get exp xD

The solution to the sprawling stagnation is not having the small active factions wipe each other and conquer more land than they can defend without allying to one of the blocks. Maybe the EU map will develop over some more time and become more hectic and fun, we can always hope.
If you're all united you might as well merge into a fucking coalition. Mass unity is massively gay.
PTX I truly believe in your vision. <3
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Casimir on April 22, 2013, 09:26:42 pm
Quote from: Tomas on April 22, 2013, 03:58:14 pm
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Your numbers seem a little bit out Casi.

I get the following (including NA clans)

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Re-ordered in terms of turtle factor (Troops divided by members) this gives:
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Please note that this list and my conclusions completely ignore activity levels so should be completely ignored :D  I was just bored and it might cause some drama

Wild accusations for people to use based on my findings
1) NA fights more than EU!
2) FCC have not fought more than the average NA clan relative to their size!
3) Hospitaller have fought the most!
4) CHAOS are massive turtles!
5) Mercs are all talk and never actually do any real fighting of their own!
6) Crusader Alliance are clearly just an inactive clan!
7) The Silk Road Federation and Ghuraba need to attack each other or be branded massive cowards!

Ni these numbers were ONLY garrisoned troops in towns and castles. There were accurate at the time thwy were taken. This was checked twice with identical results.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Tyr_ on April 22, 2013, 11:16:29 pm
A wipe wont solve anything. The alliances were made long before this strat, and they will stay within the next strats, the leaders&officers of the big clans worked together before strat 4.

Theres 2 ways to solve this:

A) New game comes out, ppl lose contact and form new clans, alliances, etc...
B) Current leaders sit together in a plane which crashes somewhere in the mountains - only 1 will survive!
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 02:51:09 pm
Quote from: BASNAK on April 22, 2013, 04:11:38 pm
Actually, the true calculation for Ghuraba is 3k troops per player ._.
(Including all our troops in field + garrison)


But this is mostly because people that were too busy trying to wipe us not so long ago have been stacking about 25k troops around us.

And secondly, Strat aint nothin but tickets and hoes!

Wait what? Are you boasting about getting our tickets when you did literally nothing of note during that war (except be a turn coat and betraying us after we gifted you a village).  Shit man, dats funny shit.  No-one planned to do anything with you and your faction, the gang-bang was never against you. Shu Han started the gang-bang by betraying an NAP.

Block warfare is winnable, but only when one block fails, even then its still a near impossible grind to take away fiefs from large factions.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 23, 2013, 03:13:56 pm
Quote from: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 02:51:09 pm
Wait what? Are you boasting about getting our tickets when you did literally nothing of note during that war (except be a turn coat and betraying us after we gifted you a village).  Shit man, dats funny shit.  No-one planned to do anything with you and your faction, the gang-bang was never against you. Shu Han started the gang-bang by betraying an NAP.

Block warfare is winnable, but only when one block fails, even then its still a near impossible grind to take away fiefs from large factions.

Only tickets we got from Eastern was 1k from Coalition. Rest are our own- From trading, conquering and whatnot. We had about 3-4k troops during the war versus you. And we did take out Risen, whom declared war on Shu Han + Us. Taking a castle and village. Do you think we could take Yalen with 3-4k troops alone when entire Eastern sent troops here? I have 5 guys including my self at hand.

We fought someone in our size, and did very well. We also took a couple of villages from you until Eastern showed up. I also offered starting the war but was rejected, instead given a supporting role.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 03:41:52 pm
Quote from: BASNAK on April 23, 2013, 03:13:56 pm
Only tickets we got from Eastern was 1k from Coalition. Rest are our own- From trading, conquering and whatnot. We had about 3-4k troops during the war versus you. And we did take out Risen, whom declared war on Shu Han + Us. Taking a castle and village. Do you think we could take Yalen with 3-4k troops alone when entire Eastern sent troops here? I have 5 guys including my self at hand.

We fought someone in our size, and did very well. We also took a couple of villages from you until Eastern showed up. I also offered starting the war but was rejected, instead given a supporting role.

Oh commeon risen was liek 2 guys playing strat who had no past experience of it, Don't even pretend that was a fair fight.

Also capping undefended villages is nothing to boast about.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 23, 2013, 03:47:39 pm
Quote from: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 03:41:52 pm
Oh commeon risen was liek 2 guys playing strat who had no past experience of it, Don't even pretend that was a fair fight.

Also capping undefended villages is nothing to boast about.

What are you on about? Risen had more troops than us, a castle, and two villages. And they also had more members than us. They were once owners of Halmar and Peshmi. Coalition gave them approx 2 million gold + Ergellon for Halmar.. Controlling around 7k troops. Get your facts straight.

Their castle had about ~4k around it and inside it.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 03:53:29 pm
members =/= active members.

Fair enough though you did put them down and that was a good effort, however you can't really take any credit for the result of the war, your turncoat actions were more of an insult that a threat of any kind. Yalen is something which has simply been given to you by the super power block members which you claim to dispise, much like your first fief was. ;)
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 23, 2013, 03:57:32 pm
Quote from: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 03:53:29 pm
members =/= active members.

Fair enough though you did put them down and that was a good effort, however you can't really take any credit for the result of the war, your turncoat actions were more of an insult that a threat of any kind. Yalen is something which has simply been given to you by the super power block members which you claim to dispise, much like your first fief was. ;)

Did I ever claim credit for the result of the war? I did my part and praised GO and DRZ for taking over Yalen, and scaring away Eastern. And there's a difference between given and bought.

I'm sorry for not becoming a slave to the Eastern for the one village I asked to get, before other factions which were about to take it, took it (like Pantheon which already were in the village). I spent weeks negotiating for more fiefs (since im not allowed to take any by my self), denied by every eastern faction. We simply decided we will fight our way to get more fiefs.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 04:00:17 pm
And its probably for the best ath peopel didnt give you any more fiefs.  I ahve no idea what was said to you,but im know its not our policy to make people 'slaves'.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BASNAK on April 23, 2013, 04:07:43 pm
Quote from: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 04:00:17 pm
And its probably for the best ath peopel didnt give you any more fiefs.  I ahve no idea what was said to you,but im know its not our policy to make people 'slaves'.

Yes it's good they didn't give me more fiefs, because you know. I don't tend to stick to block alliances. GOD BLESS BLOCK ALLIANCES? amirite?
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 04:10:48 pm
Absolutely not, i disagree witht eh concept of blocka lliances to the core.  However strat 2.0 and 3.0 proved that if you don't form a counter block that coordinates effectivley then one will form (UIF) and wipe the rest of the map, however I dont expect you to know about that.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: NejStark on April 23, 2013, 04:15:28 pm
NA charging into war and EU not?

SURELY NOT.


Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: [ptx] on April 23, 2013, 04:16:30 pm
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Yeah, that is something to be proud of.
What this strat taught me, is, whilst UIF is clearly the devil, at least it is an honest one.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: serr on April 23, 2013, 04:28:57 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 23, 2013, 04:16:30 pm
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Yeah, that is something to be proud of.
Yes, exactly. Playing in one block fighting another is better and more interesting than not playing at all. And though I don't like current situation where most big factions don't make invasions on enemies, it is much better than what we had on third strat.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: dynamike on April 23, 2013, 04:38:30 pm
The guide to an interesting Strat warfare experience:

Step 1: Hire a Kesh
Step 2: Let him get people to hate and attack each other constantly
Step 3: ??
Step 4: Profit XP

 :D
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: BaleOhay on April 23, 2013, 05:05:43 pm
we rent him out for parties.... communist... socialist... fundamentalist...
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: Casimir on April 23, 2013, 05:09:35 pm
Quote from: [ptx] on April 23, 2013, 04:16:30 pm
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Yeah, that is something to be proud of.
What this strat taught me, is, whilst UIF is clearly the devil, at least it is an honest one.

As in the real world you need one super power to counterbalance another.
Title: Re: Wipe the current Strat??
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on April 24, 2013, 02:20:37 am
u all suck