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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Dravic on May 02, 2011, 11:45:47 am
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Make DTV forbidden until chadz make it harder to play. Why?
Simply: I can't stay still, looking how Legio_cRPG is full (20/20), and every lucker who got there is getting x5 all the time, while I have to play battle, getting x1 all the time.
Just make DTV forbidden, until chadz MAKE IT FUCKIN HARDER TO GET x5!
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Make DTV forbidden until chadz make it harder to play. Why?
Simply: I can't stay still, looking how Legio_cRPG is full (20/20), and every lucker who got there is getting x5 all the time, while I have to play battle, getting x1 all the time.
Just make DTV forbidden, until chadz MAKE IT FUCKIN HARDER TO GET x5!
It's not x5 all the time.
Some maps you get steamrolled by the nomads on horses, the engineers with their crushthrough weapons and board shields or the hired blades/sexys.
Mostly x5 though :P
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The Legio server is well moderated and the maps are ones that dont get abused. Do you get x5? sure but you often lose it instantly and quite often you dont get there at all.
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Nah, DTV is easy enough to get x5 MUCH more often than on battle or siege.
And well, since it is only 1 server with DTV with only 20 slots... well... those who are playing DTV I would call FUCKIN LUCKERS.
That is not fair.
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well if you guys hadnt gotten yourselves disconnected from the database for aboooooze maybe you could play more often :P
and besides play for the fun :D DTV is fun for a bit but battle is more fun
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well if you guys hadnt gotten yourselves disconnected from the database for aboooooze maybe you could play more often :P
and besides play for the fun :D DTV is fun for a bit but battle is more fun
Can't notice to see there was exploiting going on which I didn't even know about, heh.
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DTV is balanced as it is. Engineers are very hard to win, but still possible if the team is properly organised. In a sense, this helps learning the basics of teamwork. While we can have multi more often than on battle, we loose it instantly after 1 or 2 rounds of x5 on this mode.
What we need now is proper maps without any unreachable places for the AI. Otherwise there will be a need of at least one admin per server to stay there all the time, punishing abusers.
The thing is, this mode is extremely intensive per player on the server (you need to run several more bot AI when another player connects). So slots are limited.
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This mode is really easy-x5-mode. And this is what pisses me off even more:
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I have a friend who is playing now on legione italica dtv serv.
He's just got x5 for 25 minute now.
Stop lying guy, it's xP fest , and only admin lucker of legio server are penjoying that , with the 5-6 lucky guy who reach the serv 5 minute before it turn in dtv mode
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I have to agree. Even with admins keeping players from exploiting by camping unreachable places etc, the maps still make the waves way too easy to beat, and the rewards are huge. Even if you wipe on the last waves, you get massive XP from the absurdly useless starter ones. I think it'd be fine to keep a DTV server up for people who want to play it, but rewards should be disabled until the mode is properly balanced.
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It's true that admin are very efficient, kiking everybody that reach unreachable place.
I stay 2hours on legio server in dtv mod, yes it's an xp fest. I made more xp than i ever made in such a time.
Allow it for everybody or prohib it for everybody.
The round needs to be longer, may be two waves and a boss before go to next round.
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22/20 People , guess who is able to join the serv even when its full....
Edit : the friend on the serv , whit who i'm talking on teamspeak got 100 000 xp in only 15-20 minute
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Quite possible.
Another beautiful screenshot. Those two servers with DTV are pissing me off, when I think how much xp they are getting while I am doing a screenshot.
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The problem is not that 20 players can enjoy a XP fest.
The problem is that all the other players can't.
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I don't understand if you were banned or you just can't enter.
If it request a password it's the automatic pass that triggers when the server is full, or a temporary pass that we put for 1 minute to let our clanmates enter in the server.
Holy crap!
Risen server lost connection to database, while Legio are abusing so much!?
I demand justice. Remove connection to database from legio, too, then!
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Holy crap!
Risen server lost connection to database, while Legio are abusing so much!?
I demand justice. Remove connection to database from legio, too, then!
We are not abusing it,after some tests we decided to use only "field by the river" map when we are running DTV mode(arena is too easy, and in" battle on ice" bots get often stuck in trees), we do not allow players to camp in unreachable spots using siege shields ladders etc,i don't know why Risen Server got disconnected from database, but we clearly are not abusing anything.
And btw Legio server it's NOT a DTV SERVER ONLY , we often play battle mode, and we do not run DTV mode when there aren't admins around.
We put 20 slots because some Irc adimns suggested Sharky to run DTV with 20 slots(and also because our server is quite small and sometimes lag a lot with DTV mode). And btw when you see 22/20 slots used, it's because admins can enter if the server is full, sometimes adims go in spec mode to see if anyone is using glitches.
If you wanna remove DTV mode it's fine by me, but we AREN'T ABUSING anything.
reading the posts of some ppl here seems that Legio are running DTV mode 24/24 LOL.
And by the way on field by the river it's not so easy to keep x5 all the times , it's quite hard to beat Engineers and hired blade waves.
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Using the DTV mode atm is abuse to me. Using formations and crap like that makes sure you almost always win. Sexies and Engineers are the only hard waves. But not as hard as playing against good players.
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Rewards from DTV are going to be reduced to a third.
EDIT: Should be in effect.
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Rewards from DTV are going to be reduced to a third.
EDIT: Should be in effect.
Sound nice,hope some ppl will stop whining now XD
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Yeh so when DTV is at x5, its the same as x1,67 mutiplier in battle or siege mode. Not really worth it anymore for the xp and gold, try playing that game mode for fun instead.
Defend the village is a great mode to play when you are new to the game. A friend of mine who's been playing for two days now really enjoyed it.
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Rewards from DTV are going to be reduced to a third.
EDIT: Should be in effect.
Not yet
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Yeah, this is why the Acre server has been constantly using the admin chat to explain to (the same....) players that we can't switch it to DTV because it's just a grindfest. I'd prefer not to ruin our server's reputation, or worse.
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This mode is really easy-x5-mode. And this is what pisses me off even more:
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My irony meter has gone to 99%!
Seriously, says the clan who had the server locked with 7 players on DtV with it connected to the database.
Its not sounding good is it?
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The stupid auto-password system is something different.
BTW, what hour was it? Maybe we can catch those admins, if they were really abusing this way, if you can tell us, what hour it was...?
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Halving the bonuses would be the better option, in my opinion.
Still, abusing a "fun" type of mode is.. well, weird.
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Yoou need to half the bonuses not turn it to a third, otherwise, playing for fun will be difficult if the upkeep on your items eats you alive.
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Yoou need to half the bonuses not turn it to a third, otherwise, playing for fun will be difficult if the upkeep on your items eats you alive.
Hmm agree on the halving the xp part instead of one-third, but about repair costs: because you don't lose much you don't need to repair much in DTV, yet.
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Because most rounds in DTV last 1-2 minutes, repair really isn't a problem, the chance for stuff to break is a lot lower then on battle/siege. XP/2 would be too much, I'd say make it XP/2.5, so you get x2 battle/siege xp at x5 in DTV (although XP/3 is fine too).
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Also, the server is full all the time, I don't even have a chance to try out this game mode.
To hell with grinders. :?
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Also, the server is full all the time, I don't even have a chance to try out this game mode.
To hell with grinders. :?
At x5 you gain x1.6667(xp/3). It's not the grinders who's there anymore. The gamemode's just jolly good fun, and I guess it shows.
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At x5 you gain x1.6667(xp/3). It's not the grinders who's there anymore. The gamemode's just jolly good fun, and I guess it shows.
I see.
We need more servers/more slots then, I want to try it! lol.
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one third loot is okay, I played a lot just now and I can just upkeep my usual battle set. XP feels normal too. That's the way it should be.
Now, I think we need to tweak the waves a bit and make dedicated maps. Make easy waves a little harder and make hard ones (engineers) a little easier. Buff donkey riders because they are too easy. Add new waves (like, black plate with crappy weapon, nude with pikes...)
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The current XP/gold gain system doesn't fit DTV, you should get XP and gold only after your team defeats a wave and the reward should be tied to difficulty of such wave, so you get almost nothing for killing peasants and a good bunch if you beat engineers or sexies
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Gettin our arse kicked by npcs on field by the river atm QQ plz
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The current XP/gold gain system doesn't fit DTV, you should get XP and gold only after your team defeats a wave and the reward should be tied to difficulty of such wave, so you get almost nothing for killing peasants and a good bunch if you beat engineers or sexies
This
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Gettin our arse kicked by npcs on field by the river atm QQ plz
Broken map, fucked spawns. The only ones that really work at all (they're kind of too easy) are Ruins, Nord Town, Port Assault, Forest Hideout and Arena.
The current XP/gold gain system doesn't fit DTV, you should get XP and gold only after your team defeats a wave and the reward should be tied to difficulty of such wave, so you get almost nothing for killing peasants and a good bunch if you beat engineers or sexies
Agreed, said as much before.
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Forest hideout seems to be the most balanced map at the moment.
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Aboozers got nerfed!
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Let me in god damn it.
I'm trying since.. who knows when, and it's still 20/20..
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Same.... :?
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The current XP/gold gain system doesn't fit DTV, you should get XP and gold only after your team defeats a wave and the reward should be tied to difficulty of such wave, so you get almost nothing for killing peasants and a good bunch if you beat engineers or sexies
+1
annnd maybe now xp got nerfed ppl should stop contact us to have our password (the random one) and asking 24/24 " Mode 8 plz " :P
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We didn't abooze anything, that's why our server is still connected to the database while others aren't or had 250 players wiped.
chadz can see gold and xp gain on server so he would know if we aboozed, also devs and admins played on it and they saw we admin it properly.
I stayed in touch with chadz and the other devs asking if and how we were allowed to run the mod, and mostly following their suggestions.
Yes, someone suggested us to remove it ftm since it's bugged at hell, but they also said if we wanted to put it, was fine to put it if we admining properly.
That said, don't believe on the "dtv mode is fun" thing. Dtv definetly has potential, but as of now can be fun for some round but then it's boring as hell since it's still an half finished mode.
The only maps we really enjoyed were those broken, like field by the river with the really close spawns.
If we got the server always full it was because it was indeed more likely to gain a x5 here, then on battle mode.
We just gained advantage of a more xp/gold heavy mode then other modes (while keeping it reasonable carefully avoiding glitching of any sort).
Just wanted to be honest... i think it's clear that people are more interested in gaining xp then in playing other modes with less xp like rabbit or ctf (if not glitched :D).
Most of legios got bored soon of that mode and we putted back battle, just to be stalked by other players who wanted dtv 24/24 :rolleyes:
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Forest hideout seems to be the most balanced map at the moment.
Cmp, engineers and 2h guyz are indeed harsh on that map, but cavalry hordes just get slaughtered there :(
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Any time I have ever seen DTV it is either: Locked with 5-10 people in it, full, or locked with nobody in it. I have only gotten to play it a couple of times
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Any time I have ever seen DTV it is either: Locked with 5-10 people in it, full, or locked with nobody in it. I have only gotten to play it a couple of times
You're not missing much right now, it's fun at first but gets boring pretty quickly, it will no doubt be alot more fun in the future though when it's more complete and the XP is balanced.
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Forest hideout seems to be the most balanced map at the moment.
I snobbed that map thinking it was too easy,but after some tests it seems quite good, bots don't get stuck and haven't found a spot they can't reach atm.
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There are a couple of places, but with an admin keeping watch it's definitely the most balanced map. We really need to get some dtv specific maps though.
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Theres quite a few map makers who would love to make some maps for this, but we have to be able to play for a while to have any idea what would be good. Not to mention: what the hell are the spawn points for it? Each type of game play seems to have a little different way to lay out spawns... Right now quite a few mappers (scene editors) are focusing on CTF maps but we dont know the spawns for them either so theyre still incomplete maps right now. And what is Rabbit? We needed to know these things a LONG time ago. If we did there would be plenty of maps for each new game mode ready to be tested.
Any help would be great and iif you could post these "helpful" info in the map editing thread that would be great, Thanks
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Its not x5 all the time, but it is abit unbalanced. Its not a problem though game is about fun not grind, the only problem is lack of slots on DTV servers.
edit: just read that its 1/3'd
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I played on eu6 when dtv was on, new system of xp/gold is quite better, you just win what you need to upkeep your equip, fun still goes on.
Some improvement are needed (for more fun!!) and dedicated map, but overall it's a nice mod where teamwork is more instinctive, could be good for clan training (dunno really, i'm not in a clan...) as the enemy's actions are repeated, this allows a real training (as training is based on repetition of action to become a reflex imo).
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I suggest everyone head over and try the Full Invasion mod (or at least look at it).
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/board,181.0.html
That's were this game mode come from and there are a lot of nice, balanced and working maps there. There was a thread there with screens of the maps but i cant find it now.
Anyway, there you can see how this is supposed to be.
Oh and also i say xp/2 or xp/2.5 Im gonna play this for fun, but would still like some rewards for it.
Also, damn, why are we still disconnected from the database?