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Title: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: KillerofFlowers on April 08, 2013, 01:28:21 am
Just wondering because this strat has been up for more than 6 months now. I don't know how eu is doing but in my opinion na is about ready if Hospitaller loses this war.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: partyboy on April 08, 2013, 02:00:43 am
We need at least a month's warning so everyone can use their sick gear.  fuck the scoreboard at the end, burn calradia to the ground
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Warborn304 on April 08, 2013, 02:03:00 am
We need at least a month's warning so everyone can use their sick gear.  fuck the scoreboard at the end, burn calradia to the ground

I completely second this notion.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 08, 2013, 02:15:11 am
Just wondering because this strat has been up for more than 6 months now. I don't know how eu is doing but in my opinion na is about ready if Hospitaller loses this war. I know some people are probably gonna say i made this post just because we were wiped. Its partially the reason. I just want to know if there really is a point to restart the grind part again if its just going to be reset after we have built up some gold.

In the past it seems that wipes have occurred when the map is stagnant/one side becomes too dominant AND when new features are lined up to be implemented. The first might be upon us soon, but the second seems unlikely.

I'd love a strat wipe too, though. I hope in the future gold is harder to come by. I'd like a realistic portrayal of centuries-old combat with the main infantry equipped with simple mail armours. Tincans running around everywhere is silly.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Malaclypse on April 08, 2013, 02:19:02 am
Strat isn't over just because one block takes out another, it's over when bugs are fixed, etc. It's not like there are not going to be armies, factions, and so on still existing. Just stop thinking of factions/alliances as static entities that can never, ever change even when circumstances do.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Matey on April 08, 2013, 02:24:55 am
strat only ends when it bugs out so bad as to be unplayable. siege gear not working is certainly a step in that direction.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Nightingale on April 08, 2013, 02:46:10 am
I am still just gonna keep hoping for FCC and TKoV to go to war.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: partyboy on April 08, 2013, 07:47:10 am
Hell yeah, three realms like in DAoC, if one comes in and stomps a keep the third swoops in for the easy take.  Except it takes days instead of minutes.... nvm that sounds horrible.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Gmnotutoo on April 08, 2013, 08:00:09 am
I am still just gonna keep hoping for FCC and TKoV to go to war.

I'd like Occitan and Hospitaller go to war. It'd be nice to do a change all across the board next round honestly, which is why I like Kalam's idea so much.

http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-general-discussion/the-strategus-draft-an-idea/msg743712/#msg743712
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Vovka on April 08, 2013, 08:05:32 am
I don't know how eu is doing ....
EU waits, and then backstab a silly americans   :P We need new trade colonies for  upkeep of our 100500 troops
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Corsair831 on April 08, 2013, 01:53:25 pm
ok i reset strategus for you, everything should be wiped in about 5 or 6 hours, thanks, corsair
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Tyr_ on April 08, 2013, 01:56:18 pm
EU waits, and then backstab a silly americans   :P We need new trade colonies for  upkeep of our 100500 troops
Smoothrich warned them, but they didnt want to believe
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: KillerofFlowers on April 08, 2013, 02:18:20 pm
EU waits, and then backstab a silly americans   :P We need new trade colonies for  upkeep of our 100500 troops
well then we will invite you with open arms . Would take any chances for more xp.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 08, 2013, 03:28:47 pm
EU waits, and then backstab a silly americans   :P We need new trade colonies for  upkeep of our 100500 troops


That's what I've been waiting for actually...please hurry :)
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Turboflex on April 08, 2013, 03:39:13 pm
Do you think the devs have a huge strat patch ready? Cuz otherwise not much point. They changed A LOT between strat 3 and 4.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: kinngrimm on April 08, 2013, 03:42:35 pm

That's what I've been waiting for actually...please hurry :)
You are aware inviting DRZ , they take serriously :) as does Grey Order :) seen it often enough, strat 2.0 Bandits trolling Grey Order to coem and get them , next thing you know , no Bandit fief anymore ^^.  Strat 4.0 Eastern giving DRZ crap over being inactive, next thing SLezhk Castle needed to be taken back *mrpf*   :|

but NA/EU war may be fun, not that i want it on my plate, as the ping difference i accept formost as neutral for XP, but now i am lvl 36 and i will certainly erm take part less in these not so much enjoyable fights, at least not at times when i should really sleep ^^^

@OP
Reason for reset sofar as i know mostly had been gamebreaking bugs which have gained unfair adventages to factions using those without devs/admins being able to referse those effects. Otehr then that, implementing new bugs erm i mean new features would be the next reason for a reset. Also, as otheres mentioned, even if Hosp and others from their friends would get compeltlly wiped, then there are at least 2 big factions left on NA, who could a) go against each other or b) install other new factions and enable them to wage wars in the future or c) i have seen a fare share of comebacks in this game *sigh* Nords *sighdeeeply*
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on April 08, 2013, 03:53:31 pm
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I just want all of NA to get their shit pushed in because EU is master race
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: KillerofFlowers on April 08, 2013, 05:05:14 pm
It's true comebacks do happen. I'm not so much saying that I want a wipe because are still plenty more armies that can fight each other. I was just mainly looking for a response from a dev to find out what their plans on or if they were even considering it. I do agree that if they do decide to wipe whether its tomorrow they decide or 4 months from now they should give a months warning.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on April 08, 2013, 05:49:37 pm
Just wondering because this strat has been up for more than 6 months now. I don't know how eu is doing but in my opinion na is about ready if Hospitaller loses this war. I know some people are probably gonna say i made this post just because we were wiped. Its partially the reason. I just want to know if there really is a point to restart the grind part again if its just going to be reset after we have built up some gold.

Ya NA will probably become stagnant if Hospitaller loses. Thats pretty much what it comes down to on NA, its over when Hospitaller wins or loses the current strats everyone vs Hospitaller war its the way it was last time except it still took along time to reset even after Hospitaller had won. Its unlikely the other clans will fight one another, by that i mean some combination of a war between FCC/TKOV/Fimb whatever, these 3 are the largest/strongest clans now with occitan badly wounded and hospitaller with their membership being largely inactive, if they were on a map with just themselves they probably wouldn't even fight then. Still they traditionally dont reset untill they have more features to add.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 08, 2013, 06:03:42 pm
Ya NA will probably become stagnant if Hospitaller loses. Thats pretty much what it comes down to on NA, its over when Hospitaller wins or loses the current strats everyone vs Hospitaller war its the way it was last time except it still took along time to reset even after Hospitaller had won. Its unlikely the other clans will fight one another, by that i mean some combination of a war between FCC/TKOV/Fimb whatever, these 3 are the largest/strongest clans now with occitan badly wounded and hospitaller with their membership being largely inactive, if they were on a map with just themselves they probably wouldn't even fight then. Still they traditionally dont reset untill they have more features to add.

If it came down between sitting on my ass in Fimbulvetr and fighting someone, I'd take the latter. I've made great friends and good allies with them, and I'd be hesitant to turn my back, but my momma didn't raise no coward. Even if it were to mean my faction's brutal destruction, I'd pick a fight.

Remember, me and my clan were engaged upon first by Hero Party and Les Chevalier Occitan. Yes, Hero Party had a pretty legitimate claim to COME AT US BREH, but I intended no quarrel with them. I certainly did not go with another faction's wishes to fight them.

Strategus is fun because of its political elements, but is more fun because of its fightin' and battles. I enjoy planning and reacting on the fly to an enemy more than planning and reacting with some goal in mind of being with the "winning side"

Besides my faction's first (of many, it seems) conflict with Teutonic in which they could have absolutely shat in our mouths, we've not really been in danger of losing a conflict in Strat. The only reason we didn't get shat on (I think) is that I made some big talk about being an absolute pain in the ass to them and their trade if they took our humble village. It would be nice or at least interesting to be on a side with a good chance to lose.

Edit: In addition, you should not make the assumption that FCC and VE are close allies. During coordinatory (is that a fucking word?) meetings with the three factions in this block, VE admitted to coming very close to engaging upon FCC instead of LCO. Of course, FCC and Fimb have worked very closely (and plenty probably consider one or the other "vassals"), but that's simply because we are engaging the same enemy at the same time. It's unlikely that we would fight eachother after (if?) hospitaller is taken care of, but far from impossible.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Lt_Anders on April 08, 2013, 10:19:39 pm
Edit: In addition, you should not make the assumption that FCC and VE are close allies. During coordinatory (is that a fucking word?) meetings with the three factions in this block, VE admitted to coming very close to engaging upon FCC instead of LCO. Of course, FCC and Fimb have worked very closely (and plenty probably consider one or the other "vassals"), but that's simply because we are engaging the same enemy at the same time. It's unlikely that we would fight eachother after (if?) hospitaller is taken care of, but far from impossible.

Wow,I actually though Fim, was more closely ingrained with their Blue Brothers, Rather than the Red Menace!
(Yes I intended the statement that way)
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: BaleOhay on April 08, 2013, 11:28:29 pm
Hi we are the FCC.... We fight.

IF and when we ever find ourselves without anyone to fight we will find a way to build a rocket and invade an alien planet
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Jack1 on April 09, 2013, 02:17:39 am
Ahem. Chaos. Ahem

Ahem. HP Ahem.

And I do believe..... Ahem Tundra peeps Ahem
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Jon Agony on April 09, 2013, 02:26:11 am
Strat isn't over just because one block takes out another, it's over when bugs are fixed, etc. It's not like there are not going to be armies, factions, and so on still existing. Just stop thinking of factions/alliances as static entities that can never, ever change even when circumstances do.


YEAH! ... I said that because he likes my food thread  :cry:
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Artyem on April 09, 2013, 06:03:28 am
I hope they reset strat, I love working with the people I have been, but I want to be a fucking NOMAD!
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: DUKE DICKBUTT on April 09, 2013, 09:47:39 am
Hi we are the FCC.... We fight.

IF and when we ever find ourselves without anyone to fight we will find a way to build a rocket and invade an alien planet

Don't give away our plans...
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Butan on April 09, 2013, 12:01:01 pm
Dont reset before Epic is in closed beta  :)
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: dynamike on April 09, 2013, 01:50:09 pm
I am still just gonna keep hoping for FCC and TKoV to go to war.

This! I would grab Kesh so hard by her pony tails and ride her to victory!  :D
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: KillerofFlowers on April 09, 2013, 03:52:46 pm
This! I would grab Kesh so hard by her pony tails and ride her to victory!  :D
In order for that to happen you would have to actually go to war with someone. Which you should def attack FCC .
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Wesleysnipes on April 09, 2013, 07:08:39 pm
Besides my faction's first (of many, it seems) conflict with Teutonic in which they could have absolutely shat in our mouths, we've not really been in danger of losing a conflict in Strat. The only reason we didn't get shat on (I think) is that I made some big talk about being an absolute pain in the ass to them and their trade if they took our humble village. It would be nice or at least interesting to be on a side with a good chance to lose.

Remember when Darth Vador spared Luke and killed the Sith lord? That's how I felt about attacking Ismirala again. Believe it or not I actually felt bad. ( If we would have sent another wave at the time)
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Sir_Winston_Churchill on April 09, 2013, 07:11:50 pm
If strat does get reset I hope that the neutral fief system is brought back instead of the voting system as it would bring a nice change of pace. Running around trading and having huge battles is nice and all but I kinda want to see peasants bashing it out in hard-won fights :D
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: KillerofFlowers on April 10, 2013, 02:49:10 pm
For when a reset does happen, take the best of the new strat and old strat. I think instead of the voting it should go back to the old system and take ai fiefs. Now the biggest problem with that is that people wouldn't show up to defend. So instead allow admins that sent on the faction that's attacking manage the hiring on the defense side so it could get a full roster. I liked the new way if voting for the fief and would be ok with it again but it allows bigger clans to claim a large area right away and the smaller clans could get screwed because the fief you wanted is to far away to win a vote for.

I like the new trading because you don't need to sit there for days making trade goods. Buying them is easier and faster. I noticed eu manager their fiefs better with prosperity than na did, and it allowed eu to trade better than na. Could also be that eu had more fiefs than na.

I would like to see more fiefs back to the na map aswell. Maybe a few more isolated fiefs farther to the edges so w.e clan that gets then could use them as trading places and make good money off of it.


I did this on my phone so could ing really proof read, hopefully I can edit it later.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: kinngrimm on April 10, 2013, 08:26:52 pm
the old system wasn't perfect, the new system isn't either, going back to the old AI fiefs i wouldn't like either.
It had been suggested before. After a reset, all who are logging in within a week for example would be part of a automated and randomized fief distribution, that could lead to a complet new set of claims of factions. Factions can't just ignore having a few fiefs straight away from the beginning and they would fight over those. Single player if enabled more, may also be able ot hold those for a time, till the factions have formered and gained enough strength to take fiefs. Some factions may need to start without fiefs others no matter if smaller of bigger faction may start with a couple of fiefs. So no voting and also no ai fiefs but complettly randomized asigned fiefs.

before the NA map would get more fiefs i would prefer an asian map part, also depending fief amount depending on the asian player pool.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Butan on April 10, 2013, 09:24:00 pm
So no voting and also no ai fiefs but complettly randomized asigned fiefs.


Would also vote for a 100% random fiefs distribution at start, a bit like the lottery system. Maybe add a maximum fief distribution to not have someone earn more than a fief :)
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Artyem on April 11, 2013, 12:47:26 am
Honestly, I much prefer the newer voting system, I never liked seeing every city be factionless, large factions had a few villages and MAYBE a castle. 

Ideally I want to see a strategus with a new equipment system, I'm really sick of the current production point setup.  Along with that comes the current trading system, most people spend their entire Strategus career worrying about how much S&D they have in their fief, and that's not fun.  I miss the old days when I could walk into any fief and just buy whatever the fuck I wanted and have it be the same rank as what everyone else would be using, you can't do that anymore because every default item is at -2.  There's a number of things that can improve this, but I'm not sure which one is the best.

Aside from all of that, there's not much else I'd change, aside from what I've posted about before.  I want new ways to participate, I'm tired of it being TRADE AND WAR 2012 - 2013

I want new ways to earn gold, new ways to recruit troops, new ways to get equipment, more things to do in general.  It's so repetitive and tedious at this point, GIVE ME MORE TO DO!
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on April 11, 2013, 01:14:44 am
Artyem, strat is a browser game where the only thing that matters is numbers (how much gear/tickets/S&D/members) always has been and always will be.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Butan on April 11, 2013, 01:25:18 am
Artyem, strat is a browser game where the only thing that matters is numbers (how much gear/tickets/S&D/members) always has been and always will be.

Thats how it is actually but the developers can tweak it here and there and give players like Artyem (and me) a much more fun experience, I think its possible.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Artyem on April 11, 2013, 02:09:00 am
Artyem, strat is a browser game where the only thing that matters is numbers (how much gear/tickets/S&D/members) always has been and always will be.

Egan, while I appreciate that you took time to write a response to me, I fear that your point is lacking in basic facts to back it up.

In Strategus round 3, they added in the ability to craft, which I think was actually pretty genius of them.  That way, you could participate in Strategus as a key component without the hassles of building the same armies over and over and over again.  In Strategus round 2, you could buy any gear from any city, no need to worry about finding which fief has what gear, it didn't matter.  The point is, they can easily tweak it and modify it to make it more appealing to more people, not everyone wants to stress over S&D and how many cookie cutter armies they can throw together in a day.

In early strategus, there wasn't even trading, you just went out and murdered AI fiefs until you had enough gold and troops to go out and murder each other.  Numbers are important, there's no doubt, but many more forms of participation could be added while keeping the same guidelines, it's been done before.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: oprah_winfrey on April 11, 2013, 04:40:32 pm
Egan, while I appreciate that you took time to write a response to me, I fear that your point is lacking in basic facts to back it up.

In Strategus round 3, they added in the ability to craft, which I think was actually pretty genius of them.  That way, you could participate in Strategus as a key component without the hassles of building the same armies over and over and over again.  In Strategus round 2, you could buy any gear from any city, no need to worry about finding which fief has what gear, it didn't matter.  The point is, they can easily tweak it and modify it to make it more appealing to more people, not everyone wants to stress over S&D and how many cookie cutter armies they can throw together in a day.

In early strategus, there wasn't even trading, you just went out and murdered AI fiefs until you had enough gold and troops to go out and murder each other.  Numbers are important, there's no doubt, but many more forms of participation could be added while keeping the same guidelines, it's been done before.

In strat 3, you could craft. But, I don't think it did much. Basically every faction had dedicated crafters who had very high skill in specific items. So those people would craft those items for everyone in that faction, and what you didn't have high points in was outsourced to other parties like bale for shields and one handers, Palatro for cav robes. I had about 70% in +3 rus cav boots so I made a lot of those for different factions. There was no S&D, but crafting went down the more people were in your town, so while the map was more open to traders then it is in this strat, it was still pretty limited. The crafting also put a pretty high demand on having veteran players that had high crafting skill and put newer players at a disadvantage. But if you were too old of a player you were screwed also, since over level 31 players couldn't get the chadz text. It also limited your ability to wear different things in the regular servers, because you wouldn't want to lower your crafting skill in area of expertise.

In strat 2, faction size mattered much more because there wasn't the limitations of strat 3 and 4, you just needed more members to gain more tickets and gold.

So I guess I disagree, while things have been different between strat iterations, it is the same principle in all of them with slightly different variations to achieve this goal. In the end it all boils down to tickets and gold. Since individual skills don't matter nearly as much in strat battles, the faction/side of the battle that has more gold/tickets will be able to grind out the other side, unless someone fucks up. (*Cough* *Cough* Ecko putting all the gold into one fief *Cough*)
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Artyem on April 12, 2013, 01:04:47 am
I agree, crafting wasn't perfect, but it stands as an example of how they can make the game more varied, and much more interesting for people who want more shit to do.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: BaleOhay on April 12, 2013, 03:01:17 am
yeah you think strat is slow now with stuff..... Crafting was hella slow then. As egan said (thanks for the shout out egan!!) I made 1 handers and shields pretty well and cheaply. Making 1000 of each would take me days. and that was just sword and board for your army. not your armor or weapons, horses etc for the army.

I did make a nice amount of crpg gold from that strat. FCC's falling to pieces nice vacation at a beach resort in Dantooine, gave me time to pad my bank account selling weapons on the black market
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: Gmnotutoo on April 12, 2013, 03:10:04 am
yeah you think strat is slow now with stuff..... Crafting was hella slow then. As egan said (thanks for the shout out egan!!) I made 1 handers and shields pretty well and cheaply. Making 1000 of each would take me days. and that was just sword and board for your army. not your armor or weapons, horses etc for the army.

I did make a nice amount of crpg gold from that strat. FCC falling to pieces gave me time to pad my bank account selling weapons on the black market

FCC didn't fall to pieces, we had a nice vacation at a beach resort in Dantooine.
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: En_Dotter on April 12, 2013, 11:49:39 am
I would certainly not wanna see reset. Quincy Clan is enjoying being a small faction that tries to survive among the sharks. So much fun u cant imagine - diplomacy here, diplomacy there, bribe here, bribe there. Game of Thrones anyone?
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: KillerofFlowers on April 12, 2013, 01:44:15 pm
I would certainly not wanna see reset. Quincy Clan is enjoying being a small faction that tries to survive among the sharks. So much fun u cant imagine - diplomacy here, diplomacy there, bribe here, bribe there. Game of Thrones anyone?
Good show
Title: Re: Is there a strat reset coming soon?
Post by: BoneSaw on April 13, 2013, 05:10:47 pm
I haven't even used my Bonesaw Youth divisions yet!