my hopes for a new Jedi Knight game are crushed, 10 years of waiting disintegrated, my dreams are destroyed, my life is nil
leave me alone let me cry myself to sleep
EDIT: actually, come to think of it, this might actually be a good change
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Tibe on April 04, 2013, 09:34:44 am
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Molly on April 04, 2013, 09:55:34 am
Just read it this morning and this is a sad news. Another Legend biting the dust...
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2013, 10:07:12 am
Actually I'm more and more on the side of this being a good move here. Just take a look at the past few years of what these guys put out - it's mostly utter crap.
From the Jedi Knight series beyond Dark Forces II, meaning Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy, wasn't even developed by LucasArts, only published.
The good stuff LucasArts themselves developed was long ago, and by now probably 90% of the team was different people. This good stuff includes:
Other ones were either only published by them or shite. So this change to licensing model gives other game development studios a chance to make their own Star Wars games. I mean, let's be honest: even if they kept LucasArts, it would still be goddamn Disney calling the shots - my expectations for any proper game were close to null when I saw Disney take over.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Molly on April 04, 2013, 11:02:21 am
Yea, maybe you're right.
The last remakes of Monkey Island 1 and 2 were actually pretty good and already done by outsourcing them to another studio.
Here is hope to remakes of Maniac Mansion, Zac McKracken and Indiana Jones.
...cuz when I think about it, the cult of LucasArts - at least for me, just personal opinion - comes from those gorgeous adventures they made. Never cared much about StarWars myself...
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2013, 11:17:01 am
The last remakes of Monkey Island 1 and 2 were actually pretty good and already done by outsourcing them to another studio.
Here is hope to remakes of Maniac Mansion, Zac McKracken and Indiana Jones.
...cuz when I think about it, the cult of LucasArts - at least for me, just personal opinion - comes from those gorgeous adventures they made. Never cared much about StarWars myself...
Yeah, the adventure games were amazing. I enjoyed Full Throttle, Grim Fandango and Monkey Island a lot.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Bjord on April 04, 2013, 11:54:55 am
IMO, this was to be expected after The Farce Unleashed.
Shame they had to pack up the bags and close down their Star Wars: 1313 project though, looked kinda cool. :(
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Molly on April 04, 2013, 11:58:37 am
A nice remake with the same love to detail as the original? Insta-buy for me! I loved Day of the Tentacle...
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: okiN on April 04, 2013, 12:20:39 pm
Yeah, I definitely won't miss LucasArts, at least not how they were now. They haven't made anything good in so many years that they were just living on borrowed time. The LucasArts we all loved died a long time ago.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Grumbs on April 04, 2013, 01:55:50 pm
I was kind of disappointed to start with, but then i'm with Vibe and others after thinking about it. My interest in Lucasarts pretty much only extends to the old adventure games, and that is like 10+ years ago. Maybe they will look at the old IP's and see what they can do with them, but i'm not holding my breath. Its not like Lucasarts cared about them either
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: IR_Kuoin on April 04, 2013, 02:02:28 pm
This means no Republic commando 2, the game I've been waiting for since it had a cliff ending, its been 8 years since it came out and it still got enough players for full quite a few 32 matches.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2013, 02:41:17 pm
// there has to be a better way than this... //We can do this, we have the memory // if we don't call OTLook, things wedge // don't spew tons of messages
// Do I Have A Leader? // AM I A Leader? // If Our Leader Is Dead, Clear Him Out // If My Leader Isn't His Own Leader, Then, Use His Leader // Eh. Can this get more confusing?
//FIXME: just make a flag, dude! //never taunt these mindless creatures (Found under the code for the Rancor) //hmm, bosses should do this less against the player //FIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXMEFIXME //desann doesn't do these kind of frilly acrobatics //boss-level guys can multitask, the rest need to chill out during special moves
//on ground and not moving and on level ground, no reason to do stupid fucking gravity with the clipvelocity!!!! //SIGH... fucks him up BAD //SIGH... spine wiggles fuck all this shit //just get the fuck out //FUCK IT, always check for do not enter... //ask them what the fuck they're doing // Need to extern these. We can't #include qcommon.h because some fuckwit used LS_NONE to mean both a lightstyle and a sabermove.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Bjord on April 04, 2013, 02:43:14 pm
Why? There are plenty of total conversion mods for JKA, one which was really fun. Doubt anything will come of it.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: [ptx] on April 04, 2013, 02:54:04 pm
Because source code > modding tools. A fuckton more can be done, way past total conversion mods
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Bjord on April 04, 2013, 03:01:37 pm
Well, I'm referring to Moviebattles 2 for JKA. It pretty much feels like they bypassed everything that was hardcoded. Plus the game itself had great mod support.
To be more precise, I don't know what else they could possibly code to considerably improve the immersion. Perhaps improve the code for JKA itself and create a stabler client etc, but beyond that I'm clueless.
Only time will tell anyway.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2013, 03:02:54 pm
Well, I'm referring to Moviebattles 2 for JKA. It pretty much feels like they bypassed everything that was hardcoded. Plus the game itself had great mod support.
To be more precise, I don't know what else they could possibly code to considerably improve the immersion. Perhaps improve the code for JKA itself and create a stabler client etc, but beyond that I'm clueless.
Only time will tell anyway.
You can take any part of the code and stuff it into a new game, if you wish so.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Bjord on April 04, 2013, 03:05:37 pm
You can take any part of the code and stuff it into a new game, if you wish so.
Ohh, I didn't think of that.
Well then, that is indeed positive.
But JK2 was old and shit, what kind of code could they possibly extract of value? Perhaps the way you assigned force skills, that was fun. Could be useful for some indie game.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2013, 03:07:12 pm
Ahahaha I didn't mean it was shit, the "shit" part was more of a "stuff". My bad.
As in "old and stuff". Just a redundant additional word because aleins.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2013, 03:17:22 pm
Ah
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: kinngrimm on April 04, 2013, 03:25:25 pm
all the games you mentioned vibe are classics and i enjoyed playing, but only Full Throttle is one i really wanted a sequel ... BEN where are you, whos skull are you crushing next ?
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Vibe on April 04, 2013, 03:40:35 pm
all the games you mentioned vibe are classics and i enjoyed playing, but only Full Throttle is one i really wanted a sequel ... BEN where are you, whos skull are you crushing next ?
Thus the avatar :D Full Throttle was amazing.
Also, checking myself through the JKII combat code file, some lulzy comments:
//Intelligent Ledge-Diving Deaths: //If I'm an NPC, check for nearby ledges and fall off it if possible //How should/would/could this interact with knockback if we already have some? //Ideally - apply knockback if there are no ledges or a ledge in that dir //But if there is a ledge and it's not in the dir of my knockback, fall off the ledge instead
{//whaaa? I'm not on this bike? er.... assert(!!"How did we get to this point?"); } // Get thrown out. // Now Send The Vehicle Flying To It's Death // If Moving // Send The Bike Out Of Control
self->client->dismembered = false; //FIXME: the limb should just disappear, cuz I ate it G_DoDismemberment( self, self->currentOrigin, MOD_SABER, 1000, HL_ARM_RT, qtrue );
//SIGH... because our choke sounds are inappropriately long, I have to debounce them in code!
case FORCE_LEVEL_4: //je suis invincible!!!
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Molly on April 04, 2013, 04:04:39 pm
//SIGH... because our choke sounds are inappropriately long, I have to debounce them in code! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Havoco on April 04, 2013, 06:33:19 pm
Meh. I was always out of the loop when it comes to Star Wars games. I only played star fighter on PS2, that aoe clone called battlegrounds or something, and SWTOR.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Turboflex on April 04, 2013, 07:28:16 pm
You could still get your jedi knight game, the only thing is it won't be made by a long-crappy studio with the name "lucasarts", so possibly someone who will make a decent game. Doubtful tho since it will prolly be made for consoles.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: [ptx] on April 04, 2013, 10:50:51 pm
//Intelligent Ledge-Diving Deaths: //If I'm an NPC, check for nearby ledges and fall off it if possible //How should/would/could this interact with knockback if we already have some? //Ideally - apply knockback if there are no ledges or a ledge in that dir //But if there is a ledge and it's not in the dir of my knockback, fall off the ledge instead
I can swear, the same algorithm works in Warband :mad:
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Banok on April 05, 2013, 04:37:08 am
let them die, they haven't developed a good game in decades. all they make now is starwars kinect/lego trash.
all the good games of relatively recently weren't developed by lucasarts. I'm not entirely sure whats lucasart's actual role is, co publishing i guess?
basically jediknight was made by raven, not lucas arts. why would lucas arts make a sequel if they haven't in last 10 years? possibly more likely to happen now.
I loved kotor and battlefront, but they whored out kotor so bad as a wow clone i'm kind of glad there is no battlefront 3, it would probably SUCK ASS. it would probably have to have perks and killstreak air strikes, instead of actually flying yourself.
I put more faith in these guys http://www.moddb.com/games/star-wars-battlecry
my only slight regret about this is that 1313 looked like it could be good and redeem them.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Havoco on April 05, 2013, 07:05:56 am
Wait, so do modders still have to get permission from someone to make a Star Wars mod? If not, I expect to see a Star Wars conversion on AOE HD
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Vibe on April 05, 2013, 07:43:32 am
Wait, so do moderately still have to get permission from someone to make a Star Wars mod? If not, I expect to see a Star Wars conversion or AOE HD
You buy a Star Wars license from Disney now if you want to make a Star Wars themed game, if that's what you were asking
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Patoson on April 05, 2013, 10:48:50 pm
I loved Full Throttle sooooooooo much when I was a kid. One of the best adventure games I've ever played (apart from The Day of the Tentacle and Monkey Island).
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Lennu on April 15, 2013, 11:08:28 pm
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Kafein on April 16, 2013, 12:37:37 am
no comment
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Penguin on April 16, 2013, 02:20:28 am
Well, I'm referring to Moviebattles 2 for JKA. It pretty much feels like they bypassed everything that was hardcoded. Plus the game itself had great mod support.
To be more precise, I don't know what else they could possibly code to considerably improve the immersion. Perhaps improve the code for JKA itself and create a stabler client etc, but beyond that I'm clueless.
Only time will tell anyway.
MB2 was such a great mod, spent years of my life addicted to it. B13 to B19! Shame the mod just lost player base slowly over time. Having played every jediknight game from dark forces to academy, I have to say it's an even bigger shame such a great series went by the wayside.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Vibe on May 07, 2013, 10:47:40 am
Bioware + DICE (Battlefield devs) + Visceral and Frostbite 3 engine for new games. Sounds like a good chance for Battlefront 3.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: cmp on May 07, 2013, 02:39:42 pm
Wow, that's fantastic news. I can't wait for Call of DutyBattlefield: Star Wars from DICE and Star Wars: Generic MMO #4512 by Bioware.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Nehvar on May 07, 2013, 03:45:58 pm
Ready for the yearly release of Call of the Knights of the Old Battlefront? Which ending will you choose? Blue, red or green?
The best part will be when you pay a full-game price for 70% of a game and then have to acquire the rest through micro-transactions.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Casimir on May 07, 2013, 04:08:09 pm
In b4 pre order force powers.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Germanicus on May 07, 2013, 04:18:41 pm
oh man things getting worse and worse, everyone but ea
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Lt_Anders on May 07, 2013, 04:56:49 pm
And now for some fun facts! Fact 1 (http://www.esrb.org/about/video-game-industry-statistics.jsp) Fact 2 (http://gamasutra.com/view/news/187292/GDC_State_of_the_Industry_research_exposes_rise_of_indies_smartphone_games.php#.US9zc1dvBYg)
Pay attention to the Second Fact. Amount of Developers not associated with a publisher...low.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: zagibu on May 07, 2013, 05:51:40 pm
It actually says only 24% of the surveyed worked with a publisher on their last game.
Title: Re: RIP LucasArts
Post by: Leshma on May 07, 2013, 07:26:52 pm
Great news. EA can be terribad but they have their moments. Lucas Arts was huge can of fail for last 15 years, EA needs to try hard to get on their level.
Hopefully, one day I'll get to play Dark Forces III.
But they need to go back to the roots and ignore new age Clone Wars bullshit and everything that comes with it.