nope... none from your team was fighting, you were all just running away. you had about 10 warnings and you didn't stop delaying even after that the first guy got banned.
Common sense rule guys. You were delaying and griefing the battle, you were even getting angry at people on your TS who were attempting to fight back. You told them to stop fighting and scatter. Pretty clear case here, you guys are just sore that you actually got caught and banned for it.
you were even getting angry at people on your TS who were attempting to fight back. You told them to stop fighting and scatter.
Cry babys , Thats all you can do.
Also he did warned you couple of times , also random players such as me warned you too. You just insulted us saying " fuck off" and things like that , also you did not put up your flags you just run around whole map holding block and not swinging with ur fists at all, so Cyras has banned all of you with ALL RIHGTS.
Now gtfo low IQ Americans.
Now gtfo low IQ Americans.
Is racial/cultural slander allowed on the forums now?
It's not slander, the US has a laughably low average IQ compared to other first world countries.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average-iq/
Actually, you just proved that it is. The link you provided is the top 20 list of the HIGHEST IQs in the world, of which the united states is #19.
And since he was specifically going on record talking to those of us who posted in this thread, I'll retort that mine is approximately 140.
I believe the admin that banned everyone on the opposite team should be stripped of all privilege's, he clearly favored his own team... with 2 minutes left in the fight. Everyone was naked... so therefore it was a scrappy fight back-peddling against 3 oncoming players is not delaying, just providing a prime time to attack. Relit you are very incorrect in your post... 2 mins left and people were still fighting doesn't clearify a ban.... sorry buddy. You are very misinformed and should read the strat fight page and terms of battle. Obviously you were the opponent in this particular fight so you side with what the admin purposed.... In fact you are very wrong in doing so or even promoting the belief that what was done was okay. People on defense were doing defensive maneuvers, sadly you could not contain the matter at hand. This strategy has been played several times in previous strat maps in NA... and now you speak on it... I call that complaining... When in fact what was done was seriously inappropriate. Look at what witchcraft did in the siege fight... camping on a tower that no one could get to then the timer ran down and all defenders spawned from the grave yet no one complained about that... Just seems like when the battle/siege doesn't favor certain clans they wine and moan and ban players when their is a timer still running... This is why I personally hate how strat has become, it seems to favor certain clans and deminish others and continue to do that... the OCC Siege for instance... they spawn with no gear at Shariz VE takes it with Eaze (like what i did there). Yet nothing is done about it... this whole strat seems to favor literally one side of the map and starve the rest it... FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COMPLAIN MORE!!!!!!!!
Let's first ban HRE members.
Common sense rule guys. You were delaying and griefing the battle, you were even getting angry at people on your TS who were attempting to fight back. You told them to stop fighting and scatter. Pretty clear case here, you guys are just sore that you actually got caught and banned for it.How do you know that? Can you provide a witness? A spy perhaps? Otherwise, all hearsay.
+1 to that post!!!!!!!!!!! above!
You know you can actually just click the plus button and stfu. Anyway not contributing to the fight and running away from the enemies to the end of the map IS delaying. I can see from the screen shots people have been warned several times and in case their response is FUCK YOU and they are ignoring the warning for a ban incoming, they deserve the ban, on EU2 every time I see somebody doing something bannable I warn them on chat not to do it or risk getting banned, it's up to them which one they pick. On the other hand banning the whole team seems a bit harsh, ban should be issued only on those, who failed to follow the warning, surely not everyone on the team and definitely not the ones who actually followed the instructions and started fighting after the warning.
But what if they are waiting for the last 2 mins to lapse, at which point the attackers will no longer be able to spawn, and then they can fight and win? It's not delaying if you have a genuine chance of victory.
I would first see if the admin had any personal interest in winning the battle and then if any of the banned persons can prove they actually listened to the warning and joined the fight, as far as I see from the screen shots only the people who failed to follow the warning were banned.
I had many fist kills. The skill of the punchers on the other team was too great. They punched like devils. Punching, and punching. All that was left to us was to cheat. I begged our comrades not to anger the EU neckbeards that run everything.You are quite right there sir. The naked bug fist fight battle was quite fun when we all engaged eachother.
You are quite right there sir. The naked bug fist fight battle was quite fun when we all engaged eachother.
But when one team tries to gain benefits through a bug (by delaying and avoiding fights in order to gain more tickets in the end), you do break one of the very first rules under:
General Rules: http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/official-server-rules/And the admin dealt with it accordingly, nullifying the benefit by banning ppl for a short time so noone could rejoin (warnings and kicking didn't seem to help).
- No exploiting of any kind:
- NOT OK: Using a bug to gain undeserved benefits.
At least none of the teams lost their gear after the battle (and i only looted our goods Heroin tried to run off with), was a weird bug, we where both shiny armed and it could have been a nice little scrim.
The fact that attackers retreat when the time runs out is intended isn't it?Yes with normal gear it is, but do to the fact of the naked bug it is near impossible to hunt ppl down or keep the flags down.
Yes with normal gear it is, but do to the fact of the naked bug it is near impossible to hunt ppl down or keep the flags down.
The admin told ppl to fight and engage, wich was not taken seriously by the defenders.
Now gtfo low IQ Americans.
Cool story man, did your high Internet IQ stop me from taking all of your shit? I believe Waradin is from one of the European countries that beats out the US, so he is actually well within his rights to say that. Like I said, we are quite low for a first world country and SUPER POWER, and of course with our economy the way it is, it is no surprise. Most Americans can't do simple math and as a result average $19,000 of credit card debt.and as for this statement, Europe is more in the shitter than we are. Plus if you havent realised all the markets are exactly where they were OR slightly higher than before the recession meaning we are almost out of the shitter....the GOVERNMENT having no money is not reflective on the economy.
Anyway, back on topic, you should link the battle so we know which one you're referencing.
The skill of the punchers on the other team was too great. They punched likedevils.evil red-headed japanese desu desu schoolgirls
So many comments for a 300 vs 100 battle, someone had 10k crates of gear or ? :mrgreen:Doesn't matter what size of the armies was. The main deal here is pretty clear Admin Abuse. Especially with the screens provided, where we can see that the fighting people were banned.
Seems like both sides have good arguments, the admin applied HIS common sense to the situation, the only thing that can be complained about is that he was fighting against those he kick/banned. Rest is a question of point of view and rhetoric.
This is a very problematic situation because as far as I understand the battle was all naked people as the server was down and the gear was not loading, thus there was no cavalry available and thus the rules should not count the cav in, but I dont know, 1st rule is use the common sense but that is very problematic in this situation, I would first see if the admin had any personal interest in winning the battle and then if any of the banned persons can prove they actually listened to the warning and joined the fight, as far as I see from the screen shots only the people who failed to follow the warning were banned.
I hope I don't get banned for doing some tks there, it was lame tought I wouldn't say those guys weren't fighting, but they were just delaying with holding blocks all the time at flags and arround there and trying to get flags up... at least thats what I saw (was in Guards team)
Cool story man, did your high Internet IQ stop me from taking all of your shit? I believe Waradin is from one of the European countries that beats out the US, so he is actually well within his rights to say that. Like I said, we are quite low for a first world country and SUPER POWER, and of course with our economy the way it is, it is no surprise. Most Americans can't do simple math and as a result average $19,000 of credit card debt.
Anyway, back on topic, you should link the battle so we know which one you're referencing.
Seems what you guys did breaks "common sense" rule, trying to scatter and play for end of clock with 15-20 minutes is fairly ridiculous.
what are you guys trying to do here? are you trying to scare away the people that dont agree with you buy mass -1'ing them? please give me a -1. Your arguments are total bullshit.And you don't have any arguments at all. So, get my -1.
what are you guys trying to do here? are you trying to scare away the people that dont agree with you buy mass -1'ing them? please give me a -1. Your arguments are total bullshit.Yeah, you guys are -1ing me without responding, your arguments are bullshit and you're trying to scare me away, stop it hre.
Why doesnt Cyrus write a defending essay anyway?
I hope I don't get banned for doing some tks there, it was lame tought I wouldn't say those guys weren't fighting, but they were just delaying with holding blocks all the time at flags and arround there and trying to get flags up... at least thats what I saw (was in Guards team)You just admitted that they were participating in the fight by getting their flags up or atleast trying too. Point being, you admitted they were fighting and participating.
what are you guys trying to do here? are you trying to scare away the people that dont agree with you buy mass -1'ing them? please give me a -1. Your arguments are total bullshit.Where ever I post, Kesh's -1's follow. You'll get used to it.
Yeah, you guys are -1ing me without responding, your arguments are bullshit and you're trying to scare me away, stop it hre.we do, look at the numerous posts with -9 and lower
http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-issues/possible-serious-admin-abuse/msg749371/#msg749371
BTW: Kesh, remember to -1 me with your girlfriends account too.
we do, look at the numerous posts with -9 and lower
we do, look at the numerous posts with -9 and lower
You are quite right there sir. The naked bug fist fight battle was quite fun when we all engaged eachother.
But when one team tries to gain benefits through a bug (by delaying and avoiding fights in order to gain more tickets in the end), you do break one of the very first rules under:
General Rules: http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/official-server-rules/And the admin dealt with it accordingly, nullifying the benefit by banning ppl for a short time so noone could rejoin (warnings and kicking didn't seem to help).
- No exploiting of any kind:
- NOT OK: Using a bug to gain undeserved benefits.
At least none of the teams lost their gear after the battle (and i only looted our goods Heroin tried to run off with), was a weird bug, we where both shiny armed and it could have been a nice little scrim.
I'm sorry but I don't see how trying to survive for the final few minutes so the attackers are forced to retreat, then killing the last ones on the field and winning, can be seen as exploiting. The fact that attackers retreat when the time runs out is intended isn't it?
Yes with normal gear it is, but do to the fact of the naked bug it is near impossible to hunt ppl down or keep the flags down.
The admin told ppl to fight and engage, wich was not taken seriously by the defenders.
1) Was not there
2) In battle servers,(which those same rules apply to Strat) You can run as MUCH as you want as long as there is 1 other person fighting. As you are not delaying(since you have a teammate who is engaging and killing the guys that aren't chasing you). It is a valid, legal Battle tactic. This same tactic is allowed on strat. Even if the entire team RUNS like chickens, if 2 guys fight, then it's not delaying, regardless of anything else.
3) Common Sense: Would tell me that banning(for 1 hour too) the entire enemy team is not common sense. Period. Don't try and Hide behind this clause and rule on the delaying justification. I've clearly shown that those tactics are not against the rules. Also, if someone insists on just blocking, that's not breaking any rules. Ever heard of shields? They do the same damn thing. If someone has 13 shield skill, and 10 people whack on his shield, he doesn't have to unblock as he's fighting. Regardless of how lame it can be, it's perfectly acceptable.
Revoke the damn admins rights.
Just a quick note: Bjarky had an interesting quote, stating that using a bug to your advantage is a bannable offence. There is nothing bad about using the "make it longer so the attackers army runs away" tactic in a normal scenario, but this was not a normal scenario as it was a bugged fight. If it was not a bugged battle and the attackers had cavalry, you would not use this tactic, thus using it with the knowledge of the fact the enemy cant use horses due to the bug is actually using the bug to your advantage.
by the above logic, ANY strategy that attempts to win by adapting to the situation would be considered abusing that bug under the wording you used
Yes, any strategy that works with the fact there is something working differently than it should be (misuse) shall get you banned.
if the admin warns you something is against the rules, you should stop doing it immediately, not question whether it is or it is not against the rules, as the judges interpret the law, the admins interpret the game rules.
So you're saying that the people still fighting were justified in being banned?
No, Im talking about those who were not fighting, I have said earlier I do not fully support that admins decision. L2r as I will ignore your trolling and playing with words in the future. It is not my fault you understood only half of the story. :wink:
VE versus LCO. Site bugged, and VE had nothing to assault castle with. SO you know what happened? Attackers were told to quit(as they could not attack as they had no siege gear) and they lost that battle(of course both sides worked out stuff to return lost gear) but VE was forced to lose 1600 troops because of the rules, even though it was a bug.
http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-issues/the-bug-at-new-caraf-castle/
So go take this bullshit about supporting the ban and flush it right down the toilet. There's already 1 linked precedent for a bugged battle and enforced rules, and the rules them selves being damn clear over this.
Do not read this unless you really wanna spend 2 minutes on a comment that does not in any way contribute to this discussion.I didn't sense any anger from Anders, in his post I see his neutral point of view and his post on the rules(click to show/hide)
Sigh. :rolleyes:(click to show/hide)
Sigh. :rolleyes:My phone is out to get me. I know the difference between "since" and "sense" I'm not dumB! My phone is :D
Also black, it's Sense. Don't use auto correct all the time :lol:(click to show/hide)
Do not read this unless you really wanna spend 2 minutes on a comment that does not in any way contribute to this discussion.(click to show/hide)
Oh, so you understood I wrote an argument ad personam which does not in any way contribute to the discussion? I bow before your great intellect, you could have as well just read the spoiler warning and save your time. At least I did not try to make it a valid point for the discussion. But if you really want to continue in the discussion, then all I have to say to your previous theatrical post is that your arguments, even if valid, are not to the point as my arguments were based on the fact that people write FUCK OFF to admins warning in pink chat. As I said, either follow what the admin tells you and then question his interpretation on the forum/irc chat, or write FUCK OFF to his warning, dont listen to him and risk getting banned, simple as that. Period. That. Is. The. Rule. As some would say.