6 draw speed isn't slight, it is significant.
Try a longbow vs rus bow duel and see who wins if you don't believe me.
Yeah, that must be it, cause why in the hell would anyone be complaining about their own weapon/build?
Why is it that people value more suggestions coming from other classes, than those coming straight from the source? I especially found it funny when people on EU4 claimed I "must be having a bad day" in real life just cause I was speaking in this way about my own item. I wonder what those same people would say if they knew I actually own 2 MW Long Bows.
I used to think that rebalance patch was good, but I am now pretty sure it was only good on paper.
It is a win-win scenario for me, but I still claim that Long Bow is too damn accurate. Ranges you can engage targets with it are on par with a regular m16 assault rifle.
And lastly, if you ask those same people to trade away their Long Bow for Rus if it is all the same to them, they will make excuses like how they really enjoy Long Bow's look... pffffft, right. If you really think those bows are well balanced, than go ahead and accept one of these offers, because these people seem to think otherwise:
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I perfectly understand that there is abundance of MW Rus Bows and I do understand that market =/= balance, but why is it that people have loomed so many Long Bows in the first place, while trying to get rid of Rus Bows at the same time?
It is because Long Bow is obviously a better choice for archer, a superior choice really.
People say archery is OP, but in reality, part of it is due to most archers using the Long Bow!
Long Bow is too good compared to Rus Bow. It is more damaging and more accurate. Rus Bow only has slightly more draw speed.
How do I know? I am using one right now, and have also been exclusively using it pre-buff-patch.
Before the buff, it actually required skill to use, but now it's a CS simulator, headshots all the time with insane damage over distance.(click to show/hide)
IMO, in +3 state, keep it's damage(33c), missle speed(42) and weight(4) nerfed, but lower the accuracy to 103.
Most archers switched to Long Bow and rarely anyone uses Rus Bow, which also lost a lot of it's market value.
Why is it that people value more suggestions coming from other classes, than those coming straight from the source?
Well, the suggestion I made was intended for developers, not for biased archers.
Hmm wait.. they nerfed Rus Bow so long bow should be nerfed too then?? =D
If you really interested in bows balance, I can recommend you to try how it work with 1-4 tier bows. Then I would like to hear what you can advise in this case.
In comparison you can try to use some lowtier and hightier 2h or Pole weapons, just to check how balance work in other departments.
I think that something is really wrong there.
I perfectly understand that there is abundance of MW Rus Bows and I do understand that market =/= balance, but why is it that people have loomed so many Long Bows in the first place, while trying to get rid of Rus Bows at the same time?
And for the second time you fail to answer as to WHY, all of a sudden, people decided to loom the Long Bow if both bows are so balanced?
Why would they loom a bow they already have and of which there is a glut on the market? They loom a bow that previously wasn't worth the time and effort to loom and you can't buy because there is not enough to support the demand due to its weakness for well over a year, i.e, the long bow.
Again, quit trying to use market data to determine whether an item is too powerful. Use actual weapon data. The difference between the bows has already been more than adequately explained to you. Flat out, you are wrong and continuing with these red herrings isn't going to suddenly make you right.
The irony is killing me, my sides, ah!
6 draw speed isn't slight, it is significant.
Try a longbow vs rus bow duel and see who wins if you don't believe me.
Squeals of a cornered rat. Also of a rat that's been going trough the same old corridors in the labyrinth, over and over again.
YOU are the one that is stuck on "market data", because you use it to avoid, for the third time, an answer to a simple question: If both bows are so well balanced, WHY did so many Rus Bow owners go trough the trouble of looming long bow 3 times? It makes no sense to, all of a sudden, ditch an allegedly equally balanced MW weapon in favor of another allegedly equally balanced +0 weapon that will inevitably cost you a lot trough looming.
I just can't make it any more clear for you. If you get to answer that one, you can try these too:
Why is it that I see Long Bow used all the time in practice, while I catch a glimpse of Rus Bow user every now and than? (I AM EURO, BTW)
Why did long term hardcore Rus Bow users (in EU: ROBINHOOD, shokogushi and some others) permanently switched to Long Bow?
Let me answer it: Because it is A BETTER BOW.
Why is it that people value more suggestions coming from other classes, than those coming straight from the source?
Well, the suggestion I made was intended for developers, not for biased archers.
Well, it basically fills the role of most damaging HA bow, at least that is what I always thought.
Aren't there viable builds like 18/21, 18/18 or 21/18 for horse archer?
A peasant with stones and 50 wpf in throwing can completely ruin a longbow archer. You don't seem to grasp all the negative traits that come with using a longbow.I had 120 wpf, but I can confirm this.
The most battle-effective archers are those that oneshot most of the things they hit, even with bad draw times or bad accuracy. Because you are still better oneshotting people with a 70% likelyhood than twoshotting with 80% success chance per shot, even considering that people might not have all their health left.
Also this longbow argument is funny because bows are now maybe the only weapon class with the most expensive item actually the best.
How is this even a statement? Are you retarded?
Of course a short bow can interrupt EVERY other bow/xbow(without taking into their armor, of course), and of course a thrower can "ruin" a longbow archer. That's because they are much faster, but you don't see people running around with short bows or stones cause they are USELESS/troll builds.
Do everyone a favor and get a brain.
And to everyone else, if you think that you will automatically win a duel against longbow just because your bow has faster draw speed, you are wrong. This only applies IF YOU HIT THEM EVERY TIME.
Using the same logic, if a long bow kept hitting you every time, you would not have time to draw your Rus Bow, EVER.
You are assuming the slower bow can even get off that one shot. :idea: 70% likely hood of hitting with a 20% chance of getting to shoot isn't great odds.
I don't want to derail the subject, since it's a fairly important one - although I personally believe that the Rus and Long are pretty well balanced now when you take upkeep into account, long is better, yes, it also costs more.
What I wanted to say was that having an archer alt and having enjoyed it for over a generation now and also being a "style over stats" player - I'm a ninja after all - I'm glad that the Yumi is now a viable bow to use on foot rather than just on the horse.