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Title: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: brockssn on March 22, 2013, 03:06:13 pm
Archers need a top shot award (like valour) that rewards the archer. I remember getting 13 points in one round with my 15 arrows and nothing, no valour, no reward, just a reminder how much archers get shafted in the points system. The only times I got valour was when I killed people with my 1h'r. The reason I got sick of it was because he was my alt and I wanted to farm looms for my main, but I realized the lack of valour meant the crazy long retirement cycles I had to do.

Not saying buff archers, just fix the damn point system for them.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Lennu on March 22, 2013, 03:07:53 pm
I agree that the it's almost impossible to get valor as an archer. Unless you drop the bow and go melee, that's how I lvl'ed up my archer alt, didn't even spawn with a bow&arrows.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Tindel on March 22, 2013, 03:29:16 pm
I think if you looked up the meaning of the word valor, you will find out why your archer isnt getting any.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: [ptx] on March 22, 2013, 03:35:24 pm
I think if you looked up the meaning of the word valor, you will find out why your archer isnt getting any.
Quote
valour US, valor [ˈvælə]
n
courage or bravery, esp in battle
[from Late Latin valor, from valēre to be strong]

Turns out heavily armored 2h/glaive users shouldn't be getting it :o

Good catch.

Nothing about archers, though.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Byrdi on March 22, 2013, 03:53:26 pm
There is a reason why ranged (incl. crossbows) do not get as many points as melee.

Ranged can pick any target, which means their role is not limited to dealing as much damage as possible, but they are suppose to kill/suppress the key players on the enemy team.

Imagine if ranged got as many points for damage as melee: then they could just camp some hill or tower and shoot at horses all day long and still get valour. That does not sound very valourous to me.

But I somewhat agree with you that the point reduction is a bit too high, but I would hate seeing archers get valour as easy as melee get it.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 22, 2013, 07:08:05 pm
and another archer down.  8-)
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on March 22, 2013, 07:37:44 pm
There is a reason why ranged (incl. crossbows) do not get as many points as melee.

Ranged can pick any target, which means their role is not limited to dealing as much damage as possible, but they are suppose to kill/suppress the key players on the enemy team.

Imagine if ranged got as many points for damage as melee: then they could just camp some hill or tower and shoot at horses all day long and still get valour. That does not sound very valourous to me.

But I somewhat agree with you that the point reduction is a bit too high, but I would hate seeing archers get valour as easy as melee get it.

While true, this does not paint the entire picture. Another large part of ranged not being able to get valor is their (likely) lack of inclusion in ambient points. You know, the kind that can net a shielder valor if he stays alive right in the middle of the action, swinging only occasionally.

Perhaps a less dramatic ambient point system could be implemented for archers. If a ranged player within proximity of another ranged player hits an enemy, it would act the same as if a melee did it. This may actually already be how things work; I've gone 21 gens without dabbling in archery. Didn't seem to happen when I was an arbalestbro, though.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Bronto on March 22, 2013, 07:39:37 pm
This morning I went 6 - 0 in one round, got 25 points, which was the highest on the server and no valour for this archer. so i feel your pain.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Jeraz on March 23, 2013, 02:36:46 pm
My main problem with points is Headshots, you get less points for killing people with headshots cause you are getting less hits in, it's like they want me to aim at the body instead of the head, just so i can get some points, it's not uncommon for me to be 10-1 and only be half way the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: karasu on March 23, 2013, 02:39:27 pm
Why the hell do I still click on this threads.  :|
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Butan on March 23, 2013, 03:13:40 pm
The valor point system situation isnt fair for archers, yet, its not understandable to say you quit just because you couldnt save your multi or quick-stack to x5. How did players leveled up back when valor didnt exist ? This is a bit too much QQ'ing for me :lol:

Would also point out that the point system is not fair for anything that deals a lot of damage, because you get less points for one shotting enemies than just poking them from time to time (stop farming my HP knitler).
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Tennenoth on March 23, 2013, 03:34:27 pm
I guess, given the actual definition of valour, the system works rather well, but because this is a game and everyone (I believe) should have equal chance to show off their skills with their given classes, regardless of other peoples opinions on whether they're overpowered, and therefore have an equal chance to grab valour if they did well.

Given that this runs from the point system, I do also find that I get far too few points when I hit someone. There have been plenty of times I have done a fantastic (if I may say so myself! :wink:) headshot on a charging cavalryman taking him out completely in one fell swoop with the reward of an entire 2 points. I do wonder about that at times, because technically, if I think about how I actually use my arrows they're there for the betterment of my fellow warriors, due to my lack of them, I use them when I need to and usually I take shots at infantry who charge at allies "in the shit", I take shots that I probably shouldn't but my mental risk vs reward percentage calculations say "if you don't, he's dead anyway" before releasing an arrow at an enemy about to end an ally. I expect a lot of archers have similar intentions when they loose their arrows. On top of that, that charging cavalryman, if I had pulled out my sword and swung (not killing him or his horse), I could collect 6 points for doing far less damage.

-----Start of Irrelevant Section about Deducting Points-----

There was one fellow yesterday who saw I got caught out by a pikeman climbing a ladder and took a pot shot at the lads about cut me down from behind, sadly he missed and hit me in the shoulder, but if he hadn't, he'd have saved my life, I grumbled before I realised it was a shot I would take because of the rewards should it succeed yet he was deducted points for quick thinking and trying to save my life. Anyway, I guess what I am trying to say with that point is, I wouldn't have deducted points for it if I had control over that because I knew that what he was doing wasn't stupid, it wasn't breaking my game play and he shouldn't be penalised for his decision as it was a last ditch attempt with no other options.
Similarly, when melee fighters are fighting alongside each other, sure they make bloody stupid moves, but 90% of the time, the accidental teamwounding is because they made a mistake and weren't being idiots, they took a risk and couldn't collect on it, I don't believe they should be penalised either because most people will "M" someone if they think it was a bloody stupid thing to do (other than the rage M'ers, of which I am guilty in some cases as well).

Oh yes, I forgot to write that of course I do not expect this type of thing to be implemented, it'd be difficult and not very rewarding.

-----End of Irrelevant Section about Deducting Points-----

Back to the topic at hand, archers get an unfair deal in this, but that might just because I see the valour system less of a "you hit the most people and were close to the action" and more of a "you did well with the tools that you had". Then again, I do not know the exact way that the points roll in because at times I find that I have one round where I hit 45 points and then I gain a mere 30 over the course of the rest of the rounds while doing roughly the same amount of work. So hell if I know how it works! :P
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Prpavi on March 23, 2013, 03:43:23 pm
Archers need a top shot award (like valour) that rewards the archer. I remember getting 13 points in one round with my 15 arrows and nothing, no valour, no reward, just a reminder how much archers get shafted in the points system. The only times I got valour was when I killed people with my 1h'r. The reason I got sick of it was because he was my alt and I wanted to farm looms for my main, but I realized the lack of valour meant the crazy long retirement cycles I had to do.

Not saying buff archers, just fix the damn point system for them.

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Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Molly on March 23, 2013, 03:45:09 pm
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Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Keshian on March 23, 2013, 03:52:46 pm
I can get valour consistently if I feel like valour farming as an archer - aka shooting horses.  You get more points for hitting a horse in the chest than hitting an enemy in the chest (significantly more points).  So if you focus fire horses and ignore actual enemies you are a "valourous hero" as an archer because the evil horses must be put down.  Also, running in circles just behind the melee gets you tons of valour.  Don't even need need to shoot just be close to the melee without doing anything.

This is obviously how the system should be working.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Haboe on March 23, 2013, 03:55:20 pm
Archers and xbowers (the top ones) can get a load of kills in (Dave best example before he retired) Just give any kill a few bonuspoints. Allows skilled ranged players to compete with skilled melee players...
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Umbra on March 23, 2013, 04:34:11 pm
You archer swine. You vulgar little maggot.  I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.
You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselfs in recognition of what they had done.
I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing, simply put: an archer. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little archer rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.
You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You archers are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?
You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious, as all archers are. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.
On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You, and the rest of your pityfull archer kind are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.
You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away and be archer scum somewhere else.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are, archer filth. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant archer trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners, you kiting little archer mongrel.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Teeth on March 23, 2013, 04:59:31 pm
A huge flaw is that punching someone to death gives you more points than one hitting him. I think points should be completely based on the amount of hp you take away. Say the average person has 10 points in him, Hitting him for 30% of his hp should give you 3 points. Killing him with 3 hits should give you 10 points, headshotting him and killing him instantly should give you ten points.

This strange minimum and maximum amount of points that gets awarded per hit is just stupid. This should help ranged to at least get a little more merit for headshots and such.

Apart from that, no valour for the least valorous class.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Arrowblood on March 23, 2013, 05:14:44 pm
A huge flaw is that punching someone to death gives you more points than one hitting him. I think points should be completely based on the amount of hp you take away. Say the average person has 10 points in him, Hitting him for 30% of his hp should give you 3 points. Killing him with 3 hits should give you 10 points, headshotting him and killing him instantly should give you ten points.

This strange minimum and maximum amount of points that gets awarded per hit is just stupid. This should help ranged to at least get a little more merit for headshots and such.

Apart from that, no valour for the least valorous class.
You mean pike and  longspear user i guess.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Tindel on March 23, 2013, 05:25:01 pm
Turns out heavily armored 2h/glaive users shouldn't be getting it :o

Good catch.

Nothing about archers, though.

What? One class enters combat, the other doesnt.  Thus valor.....  i thought it would easy to understand.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 23, 2013, 05:45:42 pm
Apart from that, no valour for the least valorous class.
Spawnraping lancers aren't any better than kiting my old friendchers.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Aiyasha on March 23, 2013, 06:28:00 pm
What? One class enters combat, the other doesnt.  Thus valor.....  i thought it would easy to understand.

It's amazing how I know it's you posting something before I even see your name.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Byrdi on March 23, 2013, 06:42:18 pm
A huge flaw is that punching someone to death gives you more points than one hitting him. I think points should be completely based on the amount of hp you take away. Say the average person has 10 points in him, Hitting him for 30% of his hp should give you 3 points. Killing him with 3 hits should give you 10 points, headshotting him and killing him instantly should give you ten points.

This. You should get the same amount of point for killing a very dangous archer with no armour on as killing the worst plate freak in the enemy team.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: FleetFox on March 24, 2013, 12:24:10 am
You archer swine. You vulgar little maggot.  I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.
You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselfs in recognition of what they had done.
I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing, simply put: an archer. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little archer rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.
You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You archers are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?
You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious, as all archers are. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.
On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You, and the rest of your pityfull archer kind are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.
You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away and be archer scum somewhere else.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are, archer filth. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant archer trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners, you kiting little archer mongrel.

lol I admire the effort in this post :) +1
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on March 24, 2013, 12:44:19 am
You archer swine. You vulgar little maggot.  I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.
You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselfs in recognition of what they had done.
I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing, simply put: an archer. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little archer rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.
You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You archers are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?
You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious, as all archers are. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.
On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You, and the rest of your pityfull archer kind are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.
You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away and be archer scum somewhere else.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are, archer filth. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant archer trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners, you kiting little archer mongrel.


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On topic, it's true that you will get more points with a melee weapon than a bow, even if you are a dedicated archer with no melee wpf and no power strike.

As a horse archer, I can more than double my points and get a better K:D by just using my 8 riding skill to plow people with a great lance. Doesn't mean ranged is useless, just that the scoreboard won't acknowledge your benefit to the team.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Butan on March 24, 2013, 02:25:08 am
You archer swine. You vulgar little maggot.  I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.
You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselfs in recognition of what they had done.
I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing, simply put: an archer. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little archer rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.
You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You archers are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?
You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious, as all archers are. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.
On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You, and the rest of your pityfull archer kind are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.
You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away and be archer scum somewhere else.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are, archer filth. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant archer trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

The only thing worse than your logic is your manners, you kiting little archer mongrel.



text generator spotted. Or #1 hater of ranged :p
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Blackbow on March 24, 2013, 02:47:09 am
i have nothing to say about archers
i just want to cry ... because of what devs did and how the comunity can be stupid ...
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Penguin on March 24, 2013, 02:57:37 am
I personally Do not care about valor. I believe if you're helping your team enough, then you shouldn't be losing your multi. As a dedicated xbower, it still is laughable how the points system works though. I can get 16 kills and still have under 50 points on any given map. Meanwhile, when I went 1h cav, 2-3 kills would net me 20+ points. What should be done is removal of the points showing on the scoreboard system because while I'm not an egotist, it's disheartening to see your name on a scoreboard with a score of 8:1 below some guy who is 1:4.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Macropus on March 24, 2013, 08:48:16 am
I think if you looked up the meaning of the word valor, you will find out why your archer isnt getting any.
First I wanted to ask: "What the hell does the mean of rewarding skilled players in the game have something to do with the meaning of word valour?",
but then I saw your nickname and was like "Oh well, it's he again...".
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Umbra on March 24, 2013, 11:17:09 am

text generator spotted. Or #1 hater of ranged :p

Its a bit modified copy pasta, i waited for a good acrcher thread to post this.  :lol:
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Kafein on March 24, 2013, 11:24:35 am
To archers :

Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Bryggan on March 24, 2013, 05:47:31 pm
When you're camping on top of some wall taking pot shots at enemies you're not being very valourous.  The most effective archers are the ones closely following the melee mob and taking close shots, which really help us melee-ers, as well as protecting our flanks and rear from cav.  I'm not sure how close you have to be to the combat to get residual points, but the closer you are the better chance you have of hitting the enemy rather than your ally.

Melee gets valour because when you get close to the enemy its pretty easy to get separated from the main mass and get swarmed.  If an archer is in close support he also has a chance of getting surrounded and dying right away, but that's where you need to be a little brave and take the risk.

And yeah, I don't mind friendly fire when I'm surrounded and about to die.  But I really hate it when there's 6 guys trying to finish off a lone enemy and some archer feels the need to try get the point by shooting halfway across the map for a few more points.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Riddaren on March 24, 2013, 06:18:30 pm
The best thing an archer can do to get valour is to shoot horses.
Hitting a horse is much easier than hitting a human.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Vammo75 on March 24, 2013, 06:28:07 pm
When you're camping on top of some wall taking pot shots at enemies you're not being very valourous.  The most effective archers are the ones closely following the melee mob and taking close shots, which really help us melee-ers, as well as protecting our flanks and rear from cav.  I'm not sure how close you have to be to the combat to get residual points, but the closer you are the better chance you have of hitting the enemy rather than your ally.

....by getting between you and the lance?  :D
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Bryggan on March 24, 2013, 06:46:52 pm
That certainly helps- the death cry lets us know someone's behind us.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: [ptx] on March 24, 2013, 07:10:05 pm
I'm not sure how close you have to be to the combat to get residual points, but the closer you are the better chance you have of hitting the enemy rather than your ally.
Closer than the attack range of a pike. Yeah, your point is moot.
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Sniger on March 24, 2013, 08:15:45 pm
simply remove valour. problem solved :)

(oh no, such horror. im getting so many minuses for this)
Title: Re: Reason I quit my archer
Post by: Tindel on March 24, 2013, 09:38:49 pm
First I wanted to ask: "What the hell does the mean of rewarding skilled players in the game have something to do with the meaning of word valour?",
but then I saw your nickname and was like "Oh well, it's he again...".
 :mrgreen:

Like i would use the word skilled players when talking about archers hur hur hur herp herp derp.

Yes im afraid it was me again :/   ( dont shoot me please)