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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Corsair831 on March 18, 2013, 07:34:37 pm
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Currently you press M too report someone for team hitting you ... this really doesn't work at all, i still see the same noobs spamming without care for their team mates and team hitting like no tommorow ...
Easy to implement way to reduce team hitting ... make it so that you press M to forgive a team hit, if you team hit 5 times and are not forgiven, you get kicked
(unlike the current system where 5 people have to actively press M and report you)
people are less likely to team hit after they've been kicked a few times for doing so ...
discuss ..
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Good idea. I don't M people usually for teamwounding. But I wish I did sometimes so this would be better for me.
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This would only help the rage kids reporting every unintentional teamhit. I am against it.
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"Fuck you, asshole."
"What?"
"You didn't forgive my teamhit."
"Oh, sorry, I was busy fighting and didn't notice it."
"Fuck you. Thanks to you and your kind who are too busy playing a video game and not staring at the chat I'm at 4/5 now."
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Very much against this suggestion.
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also if one person th's you and after that someone else teamhits you on purpose, you cant forgive the first person. you can only forgive the second person.
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Best idea for Strat(since you cannot press M there) :) I will be able to pretend that I forgot to forgive this fucking TK spammer :twisted:
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Against it for the reason Tom gave up there.
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"Fuck you, asshole."
"What?"
"You didn't forgive my teamhit."
"Oh, sorry, I was busy fighting and didn't notice it."
"Fuck you. Thanks to you and your kind who are too busy playing a video game and not staring at the chat I'm at 4/5 now."
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Very much against this suggestion.
"Yeah? Well fuck you for team hitting me in the first place, if you don't want to get reported, then watch your fucking swings jackass"
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Well, the problem with the current system is that when you get th in quick succession you can't punish for each. Not that you should always punish, but leaving the possibility would be nice.
TH should not happen, period. There's no one to blame but you if you are careless. Sometimes it happens very quickly, allies being unpredictable etc. but a normal player never reaches 5/5.
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Maybe get rid of the report message? I'm sure people would try not to teamhit even more if they didn't know if people forgave them or not.
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"Yeah? Well fuck you for team hitting me in the first place, if you don't want to get reported, then watch your fucking swings jackass"
Shit happens. No one plays this video game perfectly (unless you've burned over 3k hours into it and have names for all your acne pimples). Lots of people turn the chat off or modify the game files to make the chat so small they can't see it and for people to get kicked from the server because they're not perfect players and because not every player eyes the chat constantly is stupid.
I top boards with 12 strength fairly often and get tons of 1 or 2 damage teamhits on the way up there. If the devs agree with you and think I should get kicked from the server for doing around 10 points of damage to teammates and hundreds to the enemy team I'll gladly stop playing this game.
a normal player never reaches 5/5.
It will be the most common thing in the game (besides 2h spammers) if this is implemented, I assure you.
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i would always have to press m, which would greatly piss me off -.-
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Best idea for Strat(since you cannot press M there) :) I will be able to pretend that I forgot to forgive this fucking TK spammer :twisted:
since when is kapikulu applying for your side? :lol:
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I support this!
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Shit happens. No one plays this video game perfectly (unless you've burned over 3k hours into it and have names for all your acne pimples). Lots of people turn the chat off or modify the game files to make the chat so small they can't see it and for people to get kicked from the server because they're not perfect players and because not every player eyes the chat constantly is stupid.
I top boards with 12 strength fairly often and get tons of 1 or 2 damage teamhits on the way up there. If the devs agree with you and think I should get kicked from the server for doing around 10 points of damage to teammates and hundreds to the enemy team I'll gladly stop playing this game.
It will be the most common thing in the game (besides 2h spammers) if this is implemented, I assure you.
i top the scoreboards fairly regularly and i'm very very very careful not to team hit ... perhaps other people should be equally as careful ?
and if they're not, then damn right they should be punished. They're the ones doing something wrong by team hitting me, i'm not doing anything wrong by reporting them. I just wish they'd get kicked more often for team hitting.
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It will be the most common thing in the game (besides 2h spammers) if this is implemented, I assure you.
True, people might be too lazy to forgive.
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i top the scoreboards fairly regularly and i'm very very very careful not to team hit ... perhaps other people should be equally as careful ?
and if they're not, then damn right they should be punished. They're the ones doing something wrong by team hitting me, i'm not doing anything wrong by reporting them. I just wish they'd get kicked more often for team hitting.
If you think that people should be booted from the servers for not being good players you might as well tell them that they should get good before they start playing. Hell, if we're going that far we may as well ban them from all servers until they get good enough to not teamhit you, right? That'll definitely fix the problem.
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I'd support this once my teammates gtfo of my way.
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This is a perfect suggestion..... for people who insta M.
9 out of 10 teamhits are normal and for me not considered to be reported, so why should I press M so many times? That would just disturb my gameplay which means I just won't do that and innocent people will be punished.
This suggestion is like removing all M stuff and making it automatic.
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I never press M, unless someone is spawn killing or other blatant intentional TW (since it says "intentional", not "careless"). However, I propose we do away with the M system, and replace it with the following:
-Eliminate the boring multiplier system
-Replace it with a more complex/varied reward system (objective-based and difficulty-based)
-Punish TWs heavily in this new reward system (XP/gold penalty)
We kind of have that right now, but good players will still get valour even if they TW like crazy, and bad players will never touch valour even if they never TW, so they don't care.
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what about reflecting teamhit-damage? There is also the option of 50% reflect.
This means the Attacker got the damage, not the victim.
Just an idea
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This would cause too much distraction for players. I'd WANT to forgive players who teamhit me on accident, but if I'm too busy fighting it would just annoy me a lot. Like getting hit and stunned by a teammate wasn't enough, I'd have to lose my concentration to press M aswell.
Not to mention that my M key on the keyboard is broken and sometimes when I press it really quick it just flips to the air when the button bounces back up :lol:
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what about reflecting teamhit-damage? There is also the option of 50% reflect.
No, then you'll have rambo strength plate-wearers with a steel shield that just jump into a crowd and watch everyone kill themselves with reflected TW dmg.
Improve the reward system, then have TWs penalize the rewards heavily. Simple, elegant, removes burden from the players having to watch chat.
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I think this would be a bit like QML'ing during the fight. Forcing me to press extra buttons in the middle of the fight.
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"Yeah? Well fuck you for team hitting me in the first place, if you don't want to get reported, then watch your fucking swings jackass"
It's war, shit happens. I pretty much never M unless someone is being very careless. Even when people are being careful sometimes you get hit or hit someone. How about you stick to rage M'ing, and us normal tempered people will keep our own methods? It's a deal.
Also the reflected team damage sucks in every game I've ever played (including Warband). It stuns both of you then, instead of just the guy that was teamwounded...making you both vulnerable to the enemy.
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Teamhits are a way way smaller problem than teammates who crowd you.
I die all the time because some fucko teammate thought it neat to suddenly from nowhere rush straight in between me and the enemy im currently fighting and block my swing with his back/head/ass.
And then he reports me, even though i had no chance of reacting. Maybe i should grow eyes in the back of my head......
I prefered the system where we DID NOT have reports, people stayed the fuck out of each others way back then. If you didnt you got schooled.
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Teamhits are a way way smaller problem than teammates who crowd you.
I die all the time because some fucko teammate thought it neat to suddenly from nowhere rush straight in between me and the enemy im currently fighting and block my swing with his back/head/ass.
And then he reports me, even though i had no chance of reacting. Maybe i should grow eyes in the back of my head......
I prefered the system where we DID NOT have reports, people stayed the fuck out of each others way back then. If you didnt you got schooled.
Usually, teammates "appear" from the wrong angle into your fights because you are yourself doing everything to prevent being helped (hiltslashing being a favorite). Not that I don't do some squaredancing with the enemy myself from time to time. I don't know about you, but some people really play like they want to be killed when someone comes to help.
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It's war, shit happens. I pretty much never M unless someone is being very careless. Even when people are being careful sometimes you get hit or hit someone. How about you stick to rage M'ing, and us normal tempered people will keep our own methods? It's a deal.
Also the reflected team damage sucks in every game I've ever played (including Warband). It stuns both of you then, instead of just the guy that was teamwounded...making you both vulnerable to the enemy.
Who would you rather have alive? You, or the teammate behind you that could care less if you were in his way or not and just kills you to get to the enemy? (ROHYPNOL with a Great Maul is a good example) I like damage reflect.
As it stands now, Armor is to protect you from teammates.
EDIT: Probably the best solution would be to get rid of M, and have it automatic. Instead of kicking the person when getting 5/5, they lose a multiplier(Example: x4-x3).
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Maybe get rid of the report message? I'm sure people would try not to teamhit even more if they didn't know if people forgave them or not.
This.
As far as I remember, we never had much problems with griefers in the past, and this feature is commonly lost with what has been already said in this thread. We still have polls.
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EDIT: Probably the best solution would be to get rid of M, and have it automatic. Instead of kicking the person when getting 5/5, they lose a multiplier(Example: x4-x3).
You know, that wouldn't be terrible. It would be like the old system pre ticks/multi system.
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This.
As far as I remember, we never had much problems with griefers in the past, and this feature is commonly lost with what has been already said in this thread. We still have polls.
Hahahahahahahahaha
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Majortity of teamhits happen, because of bad/stupid movement or lag.. if someone spams carelessly press M and encourage your teamhits to report him as well and hes gone in no time.
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Just keep things the way they are and change the TW limit to 3 instead of 5.
Even if someone is being careless and TWs a lot, its hard to get 5 before the round ends, and they are never truly punished if they deserve to be.
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How to use the M button:
- Use M button when you got hit by a friendly ranged projectile
- Use M button when a friendly horseman bumped you on a wide open area
- Use M button when a friend attacked you on purpose
- Otherwise, never press M
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Also use M when a friendly hits you on accident because they are repeatedly being careless.
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What if 2 ppl hit you in a row? (now you can only report the last player that hit you) Does that mean the first one can't be forgiven?
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Just keep things the way they are and change the TW limit to 3 instead of 5.
Even if someone is being careless and TWs a lot, its hard to get 5 before the round ends, and they are never truly punished if they deserve to be.
I agree with you, however it can't be reduced. The only reason 5 makes sense is because of newer players. A regular player or even an average player will not hit 5 unless he really wants to, but a new player will need more room for error while he is learning the game. The system does not want to discourage them with getting kicked too often, however it wants to encourage everyone to be a competent player. You have to find that fine line between fair and tolerant of new players while still keeping the idea behind the system. It's to protect against griefers and encourage good play while giving enough lenience to novices. At least that's how I interpret it.
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This thread full of spammers and armor crutches who can't be assed to get some skill and quit hitting teammates more than 4 times in a round :idea:
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If you think that people should be booted from the servers for not being good players you might as well tell them that they should get good before they start playing. Hell, if we're going that far we may as well ban them from all servers until they get good enough to not teamhit you, right? That'll definitely fix the problem.
yeah, you learn from your mistakes but more importantly you learn from your punishments ... if a new player receives NO punishment at all for team hitting, then he learns nothing, and carries on team hitting. If a new player is kicked from the server once, maybe twice, for teamhitting, then he learns not to team hit.
Carrot and Stick. This is stick.
I don't know if anyone played Red Orchestra or Darkest Hour back in the day but they had this system and it worked great ... if you team hit someone and then said sorry it was usually forgiven ... if you were team hitting people because you were careless you generally got a kick from the server ... the system reduced team hitting like crazy ... similar thing would be great in crpg.
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Bad players, often with shields and short weapon, tend to facehug enemies (without attacking) in a gank situation - thus either they let the enemy take free swings past them at their allies - or they get hit by their allies trying to actually attack the enemy. As a result, they soak up teamhits like a sponge. An example of the receiver being at fault for teamhits, rather than the attacker.
This is far too common a situation for this to ever work.
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Bad players, often with shields and short weapon, tend to facehug enemies (without attacking) in a gank situation - thus either they let the enemy take free swings past them at their allies - or they get hit by their allies trying to actually attack the enemy. As a result, they soak up teamhits like a sponge. An example of the receiver being at fault for teamhits, rather than the attacker.
This is far too common a situation for this to ever work.
unless someone literally jumps into an arrow on purpose, it is never the receiver's fault, every time i have ever team hit someone i know it was MY fault ... i should have had better control over my weapon, and i feel like a complete Fool for team hitting them.
It is the attacker's fault, and the attack should be punished.
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Basically, you have 0 idea what teamwork is and how ganking people works.
Yeah, no point in discussing this further with you.
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Basically, you have 0 idea what teamwork is and how ganking people works.
Yeah, no point in discussing this further with you.
lol'd at this comment
i don't teamhit as much as you and therefore i don't know what teamwork is ? even though 90% of my kills are through teamwork ? (anyone who's seen me fight knows i always stab people in the back 3v1) ...
Just quickly explain to me how me teamhitting less makes me a worse team player, love to hear this one
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I will have to side with ptx on this, when a bad player starts facehugging and mad spamming they often dont leave room for yourself to take a hit, they areso focused on getting the kill they just forget the teammates trying to Help and when you see a gap and take the swing it often happens that in theirmad spam they just run right in your swing, following by a report that is just bullshit and a th caused by their own inability to stay calm and justfinish it off smooth and clean.
Thing is: leave room for teammates to take a swing and win the fight!
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so why is it that when i'm fighting with one of these really bad face hugging players i don't team hit him, and when you guys are you do ? perhaps you should take care with your swings? we all have the same controls here, the only reason you guys are team hitting him whilst i'm not is i'm careful to not team hit him and you guys apparantley aren't
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so why is it that when i'm fighting with one of these really bad face hugging players i don't team hit him, and when you guys are you do ? perhaps you should take care with your swings? we all have the same controls here, the only reason you guys are team hitting him whilst i'm not is i'm careful to not team hit him and you guys apparantley aren't
I tend to think it is because you wear relatively low armour, from what i remember,thus movement speed high, so you have the speed to out flank them. :D
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~90% of the situations where I hit a teamate are:
-reaching the turning limit with (unbalanced) weapon
-trying to help a teammate (usually shielders), who cares more about his k/d than teamplay and therefore not tries to get the enemy between us
-hitting people behind me with overhead (mostly when destroying doors and people actually report you for that..)
-LAG
Servers are full of people, whom don't recognise it was their own fault they got hit..
I don't see any reason why I would have to suffer from this..