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Title: This is a first for me
Post by: Gmnotutoo on March 15, 2013, 05:23:20 am
After beating a new, yet decently skilled player in a melee duel on NA3 I left the server to go to NA1 right after. My buddy who was still in the duel server told me this player started to go off on me with bad words and then called me a strength crutcher.


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Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Dach on March 15, 2013, 05:31:28 am
The perfect ninja build, me likey!  :D
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Gmnotutoo on March 15, 2013, 05:35:43 am
The perfect ninja build, me likey!  :D

Level 31, mw Katana and mw Snowflakes. :)
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Matey on March 15, 2013, 05:44:35 am
Fucking strength crutcher!
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on March 15, 2013, 06:02:00 am
I applaud your build and choice of weapons. Refreshing!
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Dach on March 15, 2013, 06:24:05 am
actually I would do the same with my main if it didn't suck so bad in strategus...

still might...  :mrgreen:

at lvl 33

12 str 30 agi

4 IF
4 PS
4 PT
10 ath
5 wm

 :P
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Gmnotutoo on March 15, 2013, 06:48:09 am
actually I would do the same with my main if it didn't suck so bad in strategus...

still might...  :mrgreen:

at lvl 33

12 str 30 agi

4 IF
4 PS
4 PT
10 ath
5 wm

 :P

Yeah, I respeced at level 32 to an archer when strat 4.0 came out. I leveled up an alt, transferred all my looms and mainly play this 9/30 character now in battle/duel. If it was useful in strat I'd make my main this build in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Vibe on March 15, 2013, 07:38:32 am
Is that a build for pacifists? Do you even kill anyone with that?
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Brrrak on March 15, 2013, 02:44:54 pm
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Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 15, 2013, 03:06:22 pm
Actually looks like a really good build...the extra WPF should compensate for only 3 PS, not to mention the speed of the katana at that WPF and your athletics...

I wouldn't call you a strength crutcher, I'd call you a hard hitting agility crutcher.  What the guy meant probably wasn't "strength crutcher" but "hard hitting crutcher"
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Malaclypse on March 15, 2013, 03:08:32 pm
Is that a build for pacifists? Do you even kill anyone with that?

3 Powerstrike is actually pretty decent. I've been playing a 9-30 Shielder and as such don't have 10 WM (or even any) and was still having a blast and getting kills/score using a Short Arming Sword last night, and not even just on cloth wearers.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Gurnisson on March 15, 2013, 03:12:04 pm
3 Powerstrike is actually pretty decent. I've been playing a 9-30 Shielder and as such don't have 10 WM (or even any) and was still having a blast and getting kills/score using a Short Arming Sword last night, and not even just on cloth wearers.

I did a 12/27 stf with a +3 nomad sabre and +3 round cavalry shield. Was very effective if you avoided bumps, ranged and Butan. :)
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Macropus on March 15, 2013, 03:16:04 pm
Soon... soon I will get to your level of awesome agiwhoring.   :twisted:
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Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 15, 2013, 03:22:53 pm
It always seemed dumb to me for these kind of builds to not just spec a little shield in, to hunt archers, for that would make them extremely usefull in strat battles, focusing on taking out archers.

I play as a 4 ps 7 ath char aswell, it's doable but with 3ps you really do need that 9/10 ath, fun atleast! And thats what its about in the end innit? :)
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: karasu on March 15, 2013, 03:28:43 pm
Bloody tanks..
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Nehvar on March 15, 2013, 03:38:44 pm
Well, maybe if you weren't crutching on so much STR?  Nine is awfully high...do you really need that much?  "But that's what it takes to use a katana"~ EXCUSES.  Must be tough, being able to take 0.8 hits before dying.  Crutcher.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Miwiw on March 15, 2013, 03:43:14 pm
Next patch, Katana will need 10 STR.  :lol:
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: BlueKnight on March 15, 2013, 03:54:31 pm
Soon... soon I will get to your level of awesome agiwhoring.   :twisted:
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That 28 polearm wpf must do wonders ...
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Macropus on March 15, 2013, 03:57:55 pm
That 28 polearm wpf must do wonders ...
It will be 98 wpf at lvl 34. Helps in strat battles or even in normal battles while costs nothing.
Also it will make me able to use staffs (I got one MW'ed) which is extremely sexy for ninja.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 15, 2013, 05:01:35 pm
Unrelated, but I always found it somewhat "wrong" that heavy lance is only 11 strength while a lot of 1h's are 12 or 13.   I think most of the lances should be 13/14/15 strength requirement.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Bifi on March 15, 2013, 05:02:24 pm
Agiwhore brag thread?
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Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Kafein on March 15, 2013, 05:09:35 pm
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But hardly anyone moves faster than a naked guy.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Osiris on March 15, 2013, 05:12:12 pm
3-39 Short spear build is best build
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Kafein on March 15, 2013, 05:20:29 pm
3-39 Short spear build is best build

I think it is possible to reach 9/39 at 35. Can you imagine the awesomeness of autoblock + light lance ?
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Tanken on March 15, 2013, 07:30:38 pm
Good job Gmno, showin' 'em who's bauce.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: dreadnok on March 16, 2013, 03:12:02 am
yet you prob cry when you get one shotted by a 6 ps "str crutcher"
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Gmnotutoo on March 16, 2013, 04:00:13 am
yet you prob cry when you get one shotted by a 6 ps "str crutcher"

I actually don't, I accept and fully understand that I'm going to get one shotted by everyone. It makes playing the class even more fun.

I've always been one of those people that try to master underpowered classes, items, guns, etc. Most of my Counter-strike days were spent trying to ninja-knife people who used guns, or using stuff like the two berettas and mac-10.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Dach on March 16, 2013, 04:20:58 am
knife and scout, best weapon in counter-strike!  8-) :mrgreen:
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Muki on March 16, 2013, 04:53:57 am
knife and scout, best weapon in counter-strike!  8-) :mrgreen:

I like using the five-seven and ak (or the CS:S famas) the m3 is also a fun weapon to use in source :)
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: dreadnok on March 16, 2013, 04:55:30 am
I was kidding :p
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 16, 2013, 05:19:54 am
...I accept and fully understand that I'm going to get one shotted by everyone. It makes playing the class even more fun.

I've always been one of those people that try to master underpowered classes, items, guns, etc. Most of my Counter-strike days were spent trying to ninja-knife people who used guns...

Dude you and I are of the exact same mind. I always figured - hey, blocking negates 100% of damage - something no amount of armor or HP can reproduce. So why not just invest everything in my manual blocking skill, and say to hell with the rest? If I have to become amazing a blocking to survive, I told myself on day 1 of CRPG, I will. Necessity breeds skill.

It was the idea behind NAKED FANATIC, but I found that I was dying so quickly that I never had a chance to get any practice. So, so far it hasn't worked out the way I expected, but I'm still giving it a chance :). Reidi_the_Unfettered has some armor, so he's a bit more accommodating of my novice status.

And, side note for everyone talking about WPF making up for low PS: after 100 wpf, every 53 extra wpf or so is about equal to 1 ps. You would thus need 206 wpf to equal 2 PS. So, at 170, Grandmaster Not You Too has really only earned himself 1ps and change for a total of 4.?. Not that it invalidates the build or anything - just letting everyone know how the math pans out.

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Post Script - about Counterstrike with only the knife, I have a collection of FPS games that I've beaten exclusively using the (often single) melee option. Try the original Max Payne game some time with just the baseball bat. That's a fun evening. Deus Ex with only pistol whips. Fallout 3 and New Vegas were much easier in that regard, but also sweet. There's just nothing like saying "Fuck your bullets - I'm coming for you."
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: KingBread on March 16, 2013, 11:34:22 pm
Dude you and I are of the exact same mind. I always figured - hey, blocking negates 100% of damage - something no amount of armor or HP can reproduce. So why not just invest everything in my manual blocking skill, and say to hell with the rest? If I have to become amazing a blocking to survive, I told myself on day 1 of CRPG, I will. Necessity breeds skill.

It was the idea behind NAKED FANATIC, but I found that I was dying so quickly that I never had a chance to get any practice. So, so far it hasn't worked out the way I expected, but I'm still giving it a chance :). Reidi_the_Unfettered has some armor, so he's a bit more accommodating of my novice status.

And, side note for everyone talking about WPF making up for low PS: after 100 wpf, every 53 extra wpf or so is about equal to 1 ps. You would thus need 206 wpf to equal 2 PS. So, at 170, Grandmaster Not You Too has really only earned himself 1ps and change for a total of 4.?. Not that it invalidates the build or anything - just letting everyone know how the math pans out.

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Post Script - about Counterstrike with only the knife, I have a collection of FPS games that I've beaten exclusively using the (often single) melee option. Try the original Max Payne game some time with just the baseball bat. That's a fun evening. Deus Ex with only pistol whips. Fallout 3 and New Vegas were much easier in that regard, but also sweet. There's just nothing like saying "Fuck your bullets - I'm coming for you."
This was also mine inspiration when i saw guys like Wayyyne who wears very light armor (but still armor to not die from one single lost punch) and kil all. So i decided to go with our new Fallen fur armour and 18-24 with 8wm and 8ath  6 ps 1 if and it is best thing that happen in CRPG for me up to date. I need to block everything yet i almost never die in 1 hit so much more time to block and spam !!! If not ranged i would have won CRPG in one day !
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: brunoII on March 17, 2013, 03:22:13 am
Gmnotuto:you are the alter ego of The Le  Butan  :)
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Thomek on March 17, 2013, 03:45:34 am
It always seemed dumb to me for these kind of builds to not just spec a little shield in, to hunt archers, for that would make them extremely usefull in strat battles, focusing on taking out archers.

I play as a 4 ps 7 ath char aswell, it's doable but with 3ps you really do need that 9/10 ath, fun atleast! And thats what its about in the end innit? :)

Add mw snowflakes and you don't need a shield. The zone where archers have the advantage becomes much much smaller. You get 16 of + a katana. :)

Would prefer to have 4-6 pt though depending on the target.. Bring war darts or javs for cav and heavier targets, or better, both :)
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Zanze on March 17, 2013, 06:18:59 pm
People always will underestimate the power of speed bonus...
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Butan on March 18, 2013, 02:04:39 pm
I challenge your strength crutcher char with my agi-whore build


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no crushthrough/knockdown weapons ofc
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Teeth on March 18, 2013, 02:19:21 pm
44 hitpoints vs 96 hitpoints, good luck with that.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Kafein on March 18, 2013, 02:29:15 pm
Isn't that 35 + 2*13 + 40-3 = 98HP ?
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Teeth on March 18, 2013, 02:34:47 pm
Isn't that 35 + 2*13 + 40-3 = 98HP ?
Yes, yes it is.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Kafein on March 18, 2013, 02:38:15 pm
2 HP might well make you survive a swing or two more when you have max armor.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: peter_afca7 on March 18, 2013, 02:41:02 pm
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need to get 34 before im not useless anymore in strat :/
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: [ptx] on March 18, 2013, 02:42:41 pm
Afaik, more HP also increases the minimum damage needed to stagger an opponent? Which is why you get so many hits that barely seem to interrupt him or don't do it at all...
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: brockssn on March 18, 2013, 03:04:26 pm
LOLLLLLLLLLL I just did a STF of a char like this and wow its so OP! I used a bastard sword though cuz i couldnt afford the katana lol
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Arrowblood on March 18, 2013, 03:21:34 pm
LOLLLLLLLLLL I just did a STF of a char like this and wow its so OP! I used a bastard sword though cuz i couldnt afford the katana lol
LOL SWAG YOLO
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Gmnotutoo on March 18, 2013, 06:02:51 pm
I challenge your strength crutcher char with my agi-whore build


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no crushthrough/knockdown weapons ofc

Accepted, but there needs to be two rounds one on EU and the other on NA.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Teeth on March 18, 2013, 06:04:46 pm
200k on streng Butan
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Macropus on March 18, 2013, 06:09:40 pm
200k on streng Butan
Now if I were Butan I'd lose just for fun  :)
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Gmnotutoo on March 18, 2013, 06:15:54 pm
200k on streng Butan

Whats funny is I can make that easily in two weeks with this build while fully equipped.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Malaclypse on March 18, 2013, 06:40:37 pm
Whats funny is I can make that easily in two weeks with this build while fully equipped.  :mrgreen:

Oi, making money is one of the bonuses of an agility build I guess, if only because you physically cannot equip the higher upkeep crap. My favorite money maker is a 33/3 peasant with a stick STF though :3
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Macropus on March 18, 2013, 06:44:05 pm
Oi, making money is one of the bonuses of an agility build I guess, if only because you physically cannot equip the higher upkeep crap.
No, it's because there's no sense in using heavy armor with agi build anyway.
Title: Re: This is a first for me
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 19, 2013, 11:51:27 pm
Made 16k just this evening, polearm is so easy that you don't even need armor!  :mrgreen: