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Title: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 11, 2013, 07:46:48 am
With light armor, and the new weight increase to arrows, I'm noticing that my new build's 7 athletics makes me faster than the majority of people. This is helping me a lot, because my natural combat style often involves trying to juke in and out of people's weapon reach, IE dodge instead of always blocking.  So, I'm curious about weapons with a little more reach than my beloved Great Axe, hoping that I can use them to get away with snapping off some of those "you missed me" counter-swings with a little less precision.

That's why I'm looking at the Bardiche. The regular one, not the Great Bardiche. 2h, not polearms. Does anyone ever use this thing? Compared to the Great Axe it's almost identical - 3 speed slower, 6 reach longer.

Looking for some guidance here. Is it foolish to trade that much speed for that little length, as a rule? The Great Bardiche is, compared to the Great Axe, -5 speed +10 length... the same speed/length trade ratio, just at a greater scale.

What do you think? Bardiche: worth it? Do you think I would miss my Great Axe's speed, or is the difference so small I wouldn't even notice?
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Macropus on March 11, 2013, 08:15:04 am
What do you think? Bardiche: worth it?
Totally worth it on horseback because reach is very important there, but on foot with 7 athletics I'd choose the axe because of it's speed.
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: BadooN on March 11, 2013, 09:21:01 am
You should just try it out and see how you like it, assuming you're not talking about a loomed one.  I mean if you didn't end up liking it just switch back to your good old Great Axe  :D

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Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Malaclypse on March 11, 2013, 12:39:04 pm
Length is king stat, followed by damage. Low speed + good footwork = may as well be high speed.
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Osiris on March 11, 2013, 01:57:40 pm
Regular Bardiche, the Great Bardiche or two handed war axe :D the other axes just stupid to me
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 11, 2013, 05:16:49 pm
You should just try it out and see how you like it, assuming you're not talking about a loomed one.  I mean if you didn't end up liking it just switch back to your good old Great Axe  :D

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That's part of my hesitancy - my Great Axe is loomed, so if I am testing out the unloomed Bardiche the difference will be even greater, during the trial period.

And, don't cry for me, Frisian Freedom. I'm sill Fimbulvetr until the end!
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on March 11, 2013, 06:30:49 pm
That's part of my hesitancy - my Great Axe is loomed, so if I am testing out the unloomed Bardiche the difference will be even greater, during the trial period.

And, don't cry for me, Frisian Freedom. I'm sill Fimbulvetr until the end!

Had a clanmate swear by an unloomed great bardiche. He used it on horseback for a gen with the nasty 24-15 build, but he also used it in pure melee str builds. Having just struggled through a 2h gen, I learned some nice tricks with it. It seems that if you're using an unbalanced (or really any 2h that isn't a HBS, Longsword, or a few others) you can perform very nice holds. For example, a held leftswing while wiggling insanely back and forth can act as a sort of feint. With a longer weapon, which your bardiche certainly would be, jumping is actually very effective. Try a jump with a left or right swing while looking straight down. Almost certain headshot if you land it, it can go over shields, and it looks fucking awesome.

It's also worth noting that since the cutting surface of the bardiche is curved, you will get a marginal amount of nice "ghost-reach" on it. I do not say this out of some empirical testing, but out of anecdotal experience and reliable advice. It's not going to be a huge amount like on a scimitar or something, but you can often throw out an unexpected shot to someone's face with it that spurs them into complaining in allchat.
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 12, 2013, 12:08:26 am
Had a clanmate swear by an unloomed great bardiche. He used it on horseback for a gen with the nasty 24-15 build, but he also used it in pure melee str builds. Having just struggled through a 2h gen, I learned some nice tricks with it. It seems that if you're using an unbalanced (or really any 2h that isn't a HBS, Longsword, or a few others) you can perform very nice holds. For example, a held leftswing while wiggling insanely back and forth can act as a sort of feint. With a longer weapon, which your bardiche certainly would be, jumping is actually very effective. Try a jump with a left or right swing while looking straight down. Almost certain headshot if you land it, it can go over shields, and it looks fucking awesome.

It's also worth noting that since the cutting surface of the bardiche is curved, you will get a marginal amount of nice "ghost-reach" on it. I do not say this out of some empirical testing, but out of anecdotal experience and reliable advice. It's not going to be a huge amount like on a scimitar or something, but you can often throw out an unexpected shot to someone's face with it that spurs them into complaining in allchat.
Im sure you cant use a great bardiche on hb? But it's amazing on foot, try it i'd say! Even unloomed, i got 7 ps, it wrecks.
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on March 12, 2013, 12:11:55 am
Im sure you cant use a great bardiche on hb? But it's amazing on foot, try it i'd say! Even unloomed, i got 7 ps, it wrecks.

You're damn right you can't. It must have been a regular bardiche, then. My mistake, but I guess good news for the newly clothed friend here.
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 12, 2013, 12:14:01 am
You're damn right you can't. It must have been a regular bardiche, then. My mistake, but I guess good news for the newly clothed friend here.
Normal bardiche is great on hb though, 1 hits a buttload of players, if not too heavy armored.  :)
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Smoothrich on March 12, 2013, 12:14:06 am
I used one as 2hand cav/infantry for a while (+3).  It kind of sucks.  Too slow.  Makes CQC horse combat awkward, and its pretty shitty in close up melee, only good at ganking.  Damage is nice and feels fun to destroy people/cause rage but swinging the weapon itself in any situation isn't fun.
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 12, 2013, 12:18:57 am
I used one as 2hand cav/infantry for a while.  It kind of sucks.  Too slow.  Makes CQC horse combat awkward, and its pretty shitty in close up melee, only good at ganking.
just backstab 1-hit the shit out of medium armored players!  8-)
I did a heavy cav build
24/15
5if 8ps 5rid 3wm 2shi
Using a cathapract was great fun, when i hit a player it usually did a buttload of dmg, allthough im not that good a cav.  :P

Edit: also the slow swing makes for some funny moves to be possible.
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 12, 2013, 12:27:32 am
I used one as 2hand cav/infantry for a while (+3).  It kind of sucks.  Too slow.  Makes CQC horse combat awkward, and its pretty shitty in close up melee, only good at ganking.  Damage is nice and feels fun to destroy people/cause rage but swinging the weapon itself in any situation isn't fun.

By your summation would you say that the Great Axe sucks, too, for all of the same reasons?
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 12, 2013, 12:28:36 am
Great axe is fast as hell :P
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Smoothrich on March 12, 2013, 12:35:07 am
By your summation would you say that the Great Axe sucks, too, for all of the same reasons?

No, its different.

The thing is its based on your playstyle.  I like fighting groups of enemies by myself 1 vs 4 etc so a long but slow weapon fails me a lot.  Medium length medium-fast speed is great though.  Great axe is a bit better for me.  Pretty much will always prefer a sword though, or a bar mace.

Bardiche fills a niche as a 2hand cav weapon, but I'd definitely recommend one of the Persian axes or hell the Great Bardiche over the regular Bardiche.  Frankly, the polearm Long Bardiche and the various long axes are way more fun to use then any of the 2hand axes.  And I'm biased to 2handers generally.

Either way its cheap as dirt so just play with the different 2hand axes and see what fits your playstyle best.  They all have decent stats now since they all got some extra damage second to last patch.
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on March 12, 2013, 01:07:57 am
...I like fighting groups of enemies by myself 1 vs 4 etc...

If that were at all feasable for me then I would choose my weapons based on that situation, too :). But when 4 dudes show up, I might as well be unarmed.

Anyway thanks everyone. I suppose the answer, in the end, is to just mess around with the damned thing (as you all keep saying).
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: uwu_ on March 22, 2013, 12:07:13 pm
When I use regular bardiche or morningstar on horsback, what kind of WPF is needed? 1H or 2 H
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: no_rules_just_play on March 22, 2013, 01:25:24 pm
When I use regular bardiche or morningstar on horsback, what kind of WPF is needed? 1H or 2 H
just twohanded wpf
Title: Re: Regular Bardiche
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on March 22, 2013, 03:18:01 pm
I always liked the long bardiche...140 length and the damage is very nice.  I'd rather have 140 length and 89 speed than 92 speed and 120'ish length.  If you use it to your advantage, the length will catch people off guard and allow you to get in extra swings while they try to cover the distance on foot.

I don't know the 2h axe stats, but I'm assuming the bardiche and the "axes" in 2h are similar to the long bardiche and great long axe in what they do best (one faster/shorter, one longer/slower)