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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Tzar on May 01, 2011, 02:16:54 am
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Dear all mighty donkey god keeper of thy holy mod.
Make the crossbow take up 2 slots before its too late and people switch from thy op sniper to thy regular xbow and thus continue thy great ranged spam plauge.
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I don't think this will ever happen; crossbow is 1 slot specifically so that people can equip 1h weapon + shield + crossbow + bolts, if xbow was two slots, you couldn't do that.
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For godsakes, leave the xbows alone!! Post patch, we have less bolts, less damage, it rains all the damn time, and at least with my hvy 2 slot xbow, I can hardly defend myself. Move along, this horse is dead, quit kicking it...
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Dear God, give me thy sword of lightning so I can onehit all the people I hate!
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Yes, goddamnit, they even increased the rain!
OH chadz WHY, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN XBOWS!?
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No, just no.
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Dear all mighty donkey god keeper of thy holy mod.
Make the crossbow take up 2 slots before its too late and people switch from thy op sniper to thy regular xbow and thus continue thy great ranged spam plauge.
Dont you ever get tired of crying about whatever kills you? I mean i dont think i have seen anyone whine as much on the forums with as little knowledge as you do on the subject. Its rather sad to watch by now :)
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Whatever stops making the xbow a side arm. Yes please.
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The best range weapons in every other class use multiple slots, so should the xbows.
They don't require an additional skill, it will make hyrbids flock towards the xbow because of the this and that it only uses up 1 slot.
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The best range weapons in every other class use multiple slots, so should the xbows.
They don't require an additional skill, it will make hyrbids flock towards the xbow because of the this and that it only uses up 1 slot.
Yes...and the best xbows take two slots already, your point?
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Dear all mighty donkey god keeper of thy holy mod.
Make the crossbow take up 2 slots before its too late and people switch from thy op sniper to thy regular xbow and thus continue thy great ranged spam plauge.
No thanks.
I use the regular xbow with 1-30 wpf and I know it can be accurate when used properly,
but it has quite limited range (you have to fire one shot to judge the distance and lob the next bolt).
Also the regular xbow upkeep is now 523 :|
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Best bows = 2 slots
Best xbows = 2 slots
low-mid bows = 1 slot
low-mid xbows = 1 slot
I fail to see the issue here. If you're really going to bitch about the regular x-bow, which I've swapped BACK to on my hybrids instead of using heavy-xbows then why don't you just come play on the melee only server with us? It's fun in here and clearly you simply just don't want any ranged at all.
BTW x-bows have to be sidearms dude, they're TERRIBAD dedicated weapons.
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Sry guys i just dont see the fun in fuckin up the whole point of the patch just because you sobs wanna be able to pull out your gats and rain death upon thy enemy.....
Call me a bitchin betty w/e idc... :wink:
Dont you ever get tired of crying about whatever kills you? I mean i dont think i have seen anyone whine as much on the forums with as little knowledge as you do on the subject. Its rather sad to watch by now :)
Care to explain to me what u mean by my little knowlegde?? Btw this is a beta the whole point of playing is also not just to have fun but to balance the game and improve it if u cant stand to watch threads about items and balance that you dont agree on your gonna have a hard time.... and what not why dont u just avoid suggestion and balance and general sections all together and be happy then :?: :wink:
70% of threads on this forum have something to do with changes and suggestions so its highly unlikely you will agree with all of it..
why don't you just come play on the melee only server with us? It's fun in here and clearly you simply just don't want any ranged at all.
BTW x-bows have to be sidearms dude, they're TERRIBAD dedicated weapons.
I dont mind dedicated archers or throwers.
Xbow shouldnt be a sidearm dude neither is the bows..
If people wanna rain death from range switch your fuckin build or have and alt like some of us....
Btw regular xbow is fuckin awesome only 3 less acc and a bit less dmg but u get increased reload rate its fuckin braindead not to use it its rly common sense and that is why i think the weapons must be 2 slots. :? sry i can offcourse understand the fun in being able to switch from the best melee to ranged when ever i plz but lets face it in the end its just gonna result in mass ranged like pre patch with the good old sniper xbow... and tbh i for one dont want that again...
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2 slotting powerful items I understand, but the crossbows were already balanced in the manner of power or speed. Any crossbowman worth his salt would recognise which map dictated which crossbow. It is spurious to say that an arbalest is superior to a crossbow. It has more power certainly, but you are limited in the number of shots you are allowed before melee is joined. Mathematically speaking, I believe a crossbow actually has a higher DPS than an Arbalest. The Arbalest's power is all well and good, but will frequently 'overkill' targets.
My gravest annoyance is that I can no longer play a crossbowman in a historical manner. A pavise, bolts, one hand, crossbow of choice.
I'd remove 2 slot crossbows entirely, I'd also remove 2 slot board shields. They suck in combat anyway, I don't see why I shouldn't have some historical protection from archers. 15 Bolts simply isn't enough either. Particularly in Siege.
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I feel your pain from so called dedicated xbow men even tho i doubt they existed pre-patch. :lol:
I think i might have seen 3 or maybe 5 dedicated xbow users in all my time in c-RPG the rest have been rambo´s including myself btw..
So far after patch i only seen very few!!! people with sniper xbows. i presume thats the dedicated ones :|
But until they somehow make xbow take power draw or something.. its rather fuckin cheap to use a powerfull ranged weapon along with your best melee option.. :?
If i wanted i could give a feck and use it myself but i just dont find the whole waiting 3 min to comeout of cover til people have unloaded their arsenal battles very fun...
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Which again goes to prove that people just don't want ranged at all.
Or rather, they want ranged that cannot hurt anyone and is incapable of defending themselves in melee.
Not that I'm against this concept per se, but at least I'm blunt about it.
Seriously guys, stop bitching and just come join us on the melee only server. It's way better in here.
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Which again goes to prove that people just don't want ranged at all.
Or rather, they want ranged that cannot hurt anyone and is incapable of defending themselves in melee.
No..
The point of my thread is very simple.
We just dont wanna end up looking like a Christmas tree decorated with bolts and arrows and what not before we are able to take a swing. like pre-patch
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Hybrid archers can only carry HALF the arrows they could before. You undermine your own foundation for argument when you say something that is demonstrably wrong. Spam will never return to pre-patch days.
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Which again goes to prove that people just don't want ranged at all.
Or rather, they want ranged that cannot hurt anyone and is incapable of defending themselves in melee.
Not that I'm against this concept per se, but at least I'm blunt about it.
Seriously guys, stop bitching and just come join us on the melee only server. It's way better in here.
Maybe people would finally be happy if ranged had to ask permission to fire at them first (in essay form), then in melee was only allowed to tickle you with feathers. No, nevermind, I'm sure there would then be threads popping up whining for archers to have smaller feathers...
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We just dont wanna end up looking like a Christmas tree decorated with bolts and arrows and what not before we are able to take a swing. like pre-patch
So.... ranged has to go away. Right, like I said.
Stop pussyfooting around the bush and just come out and say it. You'll feel better.
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Maybe people would finally be happy if ranged had to ask permission to fire at them first (in essay form), then in melee was only allowed to tickle you with feathers. No, nevermind, I'm sure there would then be threads popping up whining for archers to have smaller feathers...
Do your have trouble reading?? or u just spur out random shit while typing?
This thread clearly is a concern about people picking up the regular xbow and use that instead of the sniper and thus the ranged spam fest begins again.. nothing to do with archers
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Yes...and the best xbows take two slots already, your point?
I was under the impression the person writing this post meant that ALL xbows only take up 1 slot.
Working as intended and working fine imo if the 2 best xbows use 2 slots.
Sorry for causing a stink.
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I feel your pain from so called dedicated xbow men even tho i doubt they existed pre-patch. :lol:
I originally started in cRPG by plodding around as your standard pure 2h or Polearm build spamming and getting kills. However, I was becoming increasingly annoyed by those pesky sniper crossbows. So, I trained a dedicated crossbowman. One of the first things that struck me was the fact that those on the receiving end of my bolts only seemed to notice the bolts that hit them.
For example, I would miss my first two shots, then score a lucky headshot on the third. The target would then promptly GTX, then post some babble about crossbows/ranged being overpowered. I realised the target behaved exactly as I had done in the past. It's a good lesson to learn. You cannot truly comment on balance until you have first hand experience of each end of the spectrum.
The 'melee' only server amuses me to no end. At least the hatred of Ranged is historical. You may spend your entire life honing the arts of war, but one day some filthy peasant puts a bolt in your chest and all that training counts for naught. Cue prideful wrath.
If you are melee, remember; For every projectile that hits you, as many as ten have missed. Strafe more, get a shield, or use freelook to spot the ranged aiming at you.
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If you are melee, remember; For every projectile that hits you, as many as ten have missed. Strafe more, get a shield, or use freelook to spot the ranged aiming at you.
The problem is not begin hit by missiles when you walk across a field. The problem is that you are being shot while in melee and people using the heavier crossbows as a shotgun from short range and switch to their 2H/pole to continue the melee.
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oh almighty chadz, please make it two slots
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The problem is not begin hit by missiles when you walk across a field. The problem is that you are being shot while in melee and people using the heavier crossbows as a shotgun from short range and switch to their 2H/pole to continue the melee.
Why is this a problem? If the crossbow is loaded why not use it? A shotgun fires many projectiles, a crossbow fires one. I don't see the issue with using it at close range.
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Never carried a shield. Never had any problem with archers / xbows. L2P...?
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Never carried a shield. Never had any problem with archers / xbows. L2P...?
Heh.... clearly your the best player in c-RPG and are immune to xbows good for you..
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xbows don't need to get changed to 2 slots they might do a lot of damage but they don't reload all that fast.
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Think also from a physical point of view: could a man carry a 2h weapon/polearm, a crossbow and some bolts?
If the crossbow is not too big, yes.
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Ill only be happy once people will be left with the hunting xbow or light xbow for their free ranged weapon needs.
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Bad idea. Stop whining. You won already. Sniper and heavy take up two slots. Rejoice and STFU.
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Bad idea. Stop whining. You won already. Sniper and heavy take up two slots. Rejoice and STFU.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Could not have said it better myself :lol:
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Bad idea. Stop whining. You won already. Sniper and heavy take up two slots. Rejoice and STFU.
Naah ill continue until u guys are left with a hunter xbow and light xbow for ranged / top notch melee option.
Crossbow is still to powerfull to be a no brainer weapon for u guys to enjoy boosting your kdr with... anything that adds to anything close to the ranged spamfest of pre-patch must be burned and put to the ground :wink:
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Naah ill continue until u guys are left with a hunter xbow and light xbow for ranged / top notch melee option.
Crossbow is still to powerfull to be a no brainer weapon for u guys to enjoy boosting your kdr with... anything that adds to anything close to the ranged spamfest of pre-patch must be burned and put to the ground :wink:
So your accurally promoting bigger bolt stacks (to balance for lower damage, after all hunting/light crossbow killpotential is quite joke these days, not saying it would not be quite nicely balanced for overall gamingfun or so...) and higher projectile speed (at short range shotguneering projectilespeed wont matter at all, at those ranges no one is going to dodge anyways, but for while now slow flying bolts have been one of main reasons why dedicated crossbowery just isnt usable option.). After all anyone with even halfretarded skills can dodge 80%+ of bolts from medium to long range in normal conditions, its quite normal to see people start dodge as late as last ½ or 1/3 of projectile flight and still have plenty of time to dodge.
While on foot if crossbowuser hits me, its pure rare random luck or me simply not paying attention to surrounding.
And one thing im wondering... Why havent anyone told you that Sniper crossbow was not op before latest (slotadding) patch, infact it was one of worst crossbows :D main reason why i guess so many posters here are saying things like "you dont really seem to know what your talking about...", it had too slow reload, too long release delay to be usable and it was still quite rare to oneshot anyone with it, added to needing higher str that heavy crossbow that did mostly kill targets with same ammount of hits, while reloading faster and costing less to upkeep, atleast i as crossbowuser didnt think sniper as powergamer choise.
Well atleast crossbows are not easymode as melee with fast computer is. And i to have some challenge in playing so it wont feel all too easymode. But 1 slot crossbows are fine and good to have.
</slight trolling using proper information and analysis and some usefull suggestions> :wink:
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Its starting to spread how long before devs is gonna act??
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Bump.
Dont say i didnt told you so.... :lol:
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Best bows = 2 slots
Best xbows = 2 slots
low-mid bows = 1 slot
low-mid xbows = 1 slot
I fail to see the issue here. If you're really going to bitch about the regular x-bow, which I've swapped BACK to on my hybrids instead of using heavy-xbows then why don't you just come play on the melee only server with us? It's fun in here and clearly you simply just don't want any ranged at all.
BTW x-bows have to be sidearms dude, they're TERRIBAD dedicated weapons.
This bait and switch with the xbow/bow comparison is really really old. You want to use bow slots for a comparison, yet do not want the WPF requirements for practical use brought into line. Damage comparisons are used, etc, etc. But the fact remains that unless xbows require 125 WPF for the reticule to be smaller than 2 inches wide AND the random component of the cone of fire goes to the extent of that reticule just like bows do, we will continue to complain and dismiss these comparisons to archers who must dedicate their entire build to archery, cannot wear anything but light armor, and must compete against xbows that load just as quickly as bows do. :!:
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Why is Tzar even allowed to post?
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Why is Tzar even allowed to post?
Just because i have a different opinion then you doesn't mean i shouldn't be able to talk about it its something we call democracy.
opinions are like ass holes everyone got one deal with it.
Rumblood i couldn't agree more that's another fine example of why xbow needs skill investment. :wink:
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realism realism realism realism realism realism ALL DAY LONG!
It is possible to carry a 2H, crossbow, and bolts. It is possible to carry a sword, shield, crossbow, and bolts.
IF IT IS POSSIBLE IN REALITY, THEN YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR COMPLAINT TO THE UNIVERSE.
Hey, guess what... crossbows were great BECAUSE they could be used as a sidearm. Ever heard of italian mercenary companies?
If you think they are "unfair" then ask for an increase in gold price, but don't change the nature of the frekin weapon, otherwise why have them act a certain way in the first place?
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realism realism realism realism realism realism ALL DAY LONG!
It is possible to carry a 2H, crossbow, and bolts. It is possible to carry a sword, shield, crossbow, and bolts.
IF IT IS POSSIBLE IN REALITY, THEN YOU NEED TO TAKE YOUR COMPLAINT TO THE UNIVERSE.
Hey, guess what... crossbows were great BECAUSE they could be used as a sidearm. Ever heard of italian mercenary companies?
If you think they are "unfair" then ask for an increase in gold price, but don't change the nature of the frekin weapon, otherwise why have them act a certain way in the first place?
:arrow: http://www.themcs.org/
Go join a medieval reenactment group or some shit instead of trying to argument with realism this is a game with samurai's and ninjas Vikings and European knights... i think all sorta of realism debates towards cRPG is long dead...
This is a suggestion/balance forum and a place to fix what's wrong and out of place.
Clearly if your only argument is that it was realistic then plz... i cant take you serious since this is a game and is meant to be fun you gotta come up with something better....
PS. clearly having the only investment being gold for them to be used aint really working now is it??
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Realism does not mean historical accuratism. A sword slash cannot get through plate armor, but it is possible for a guy in samurai armor to fight a guy in European knight armor.
The Beta will never go live, sorry. It will always be a mod of a neat, but unpopular game.
For me, and others realism is fun. There is no criteria other than realism.
Why not make crossbows a melee weapon? Why not? "Balance" can mean literally ANYTHING.
First you make the weapons function realistically, and THEN you make their access limited for fairness reasons. This means gold cost in the crpg context. Increase/decrease as necessary or alter the out of combat char item use system.
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xbows cost any skill points? Bows need like 7pd to deal crazy damg like your xbow
do you even need wpf to use it at all? bows need like 100wpf+ to even get ok aim... your xbow has better aim at 0wpf then my long bow at 126wpf....
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its is op because anyone can pick it up and 1 shot people... Great range weapon for no trade off...
ArchonAlarion unless you cant agree that its unfair you/me anyone get this advantage from picking up a xbow with 0 skill investment
Then i wont even try and reason with you. :|
plz dont mention the cost/upkeep of the xbow every1 else also pays upkeep so does the archer and the thrower...
Either way its not like the normal xbow cost a fortune its 510 gold or something if if.... the random upkeep system even picks your xbow
2 slot xbow is fixing the problem with a slegdehammer but atleast make it take some wpf investment.
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Just because i have a different opinion then you doesn't mean i shouldn't be able to talk about it its something we call democracy.
A democracy....Wow...It's strange that people seem to ignore your opinions even though you're clearly such a smart individual.
Yeah, you have an opinion. You posted a thread on your opinion. A normal person would have stopped there. But then you make yet another thread, on the exact same thing, and that's when it becomes spam. Not to mention all of your incoherent ramblings about this same crap cluttering up every other thread whether it's on topic or not. WE GET IT. You're a 2h spammer and ranged weapons upset you and all of them should be made as worthless as throwing. You've stated your opinion a thousand times. Now stfu about it.
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If a balance is needed for xbows, I don't think the right way to do so is to make the regular Crossbow 2 slots. That would kill the classic build of sword, shield, xbow, bolts. Some sort of WPF requirement would be more reasonable, but I'm still against it. Anyone should be able to just pick up an xbow, there is no skill requirement like PD or PT for it, never has been. Being accurate with it should be a different story.
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BULLSHIT LOL ITS FINE AS IT IS