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Title: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Prpavi on March 10, 2013, 08:10:28 am
so i recently got a hold of this beauty

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ive noticed that it can be an incredibly powerfull weapon and when the hit connects and lands properly it deals quite some dmg + knockdown. but it does also glance a whole lot.

So my question here is you who have played with the staff how did u play (build) and if you could share some tricks if you have any up your sleeve.

Im going for a 27/12 1 wpf build so no superspam for me  :wink: i know usually people went with a whole lot of agi with the staff but im trying a different approach.

cheers for the input in advance

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Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Arathian on March 10, 2013, 08:59:43 am
Generally speaking, the more damage you can land per hit, the less chance of a glance.

You go for 21 (I presume str?) so that should be enough.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on March 10, 2013, 09:03:26 am
Why in your right mind would you go with 1 wpf?.....  :shock:
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Post by: the real god emperor on March 10, 2013, 09:13:01 am
I played with this staff using 18/21 , pretty good. and you can give some shield skills instead of IF.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Berserkadin on March 10, 2013, 09:16:05 am
Damage increases alot for the first hundred wpf. With 1 wpf you're really gimped.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Kelugarn on March 10, 2013, 09:30:12 am
As a qstaff master, 27/12 is best at 4WM for full WPF, you can drop almost anyone in 2-3 body shots or 1-2 head shots. There's no point in going that high str without getting at least 100wpf for full damage. 18/21 is also a great build for it, people normally think that I'm 12/27 when I do a balanced gen but I still hit hard enough to drop most medium armored foes in 4 clean body shots.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Corwin on March 10, 2013, 09:40:07 am
I don't know anything about the staff, but as Kelurgan said, don't you have to have at least 100 wpf (after deduction of weight penalty) to deal the proper amount of damage?
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: MlotekPL on March 10, 2013, 09:46:23 am
Your build will be hard to play .And 1wpf..?
Make 21/15 it will be better imo.7if 7ps 5shield 5 ath 5wm with full polearm wpf.
If you don't want shield skills>24/15 5if 8ps 5ath 5wm
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Prpavi on March 10, 2013, 10:18:45 am
Quote from: TheAppleSauceMan on March 10, 2013, 09:03:26 am
Why in your right mind would you go with 1 wpf?.....  :shock:


sry im going with 1WM so about 110/120 wpf
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 10, 2013, 10:45:48 am
just abooze the massive spamminess!
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Torben on March 10, 2013, 11:58:35 am
footwork + spam = great
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Malaclypse on March 10, 2013, 01:30:57 pm
If I were doing a dedicated Q-Staff build I'd probably shoot for 27/15 in light (under 7 total armor weight) armor, 9 ps, 5 ath, 3 wm (could sub the 3 WM for IF but you've already got a good deal of health just from Strength's not OP passive).
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Teeth on March 10, 2013, 01:49:11 pm
I rolled a 24/15 cav for a while, and whenever I got dismounted I was amazed at what a beast build quarterstaff with decent ps is. I had an unloomed quarter staff, but with 8 ps and 130 WM that thing was still disgustingly fast and the damage was pretty sweet. As for tricks, use whatever you did with the long hafted blade, a fast polearm is a fast polearm. Hiltslashing works perfectly is all I can say.

Quote from: Corwin on March 10, 2013, 09:40:07 am
I don't know anything about the staff, but as Kelurgan said, don't you have to have at least 100 wpf (after deduction of weight penalty) to deal the proper amount of damage?
Quote from: Berserkadin on March 10, 2013, 09:16:05 am
Damage increases alot for the first hundred wpf. With 1 wpf you're really gimped.
This is both not true. It is all gradual, there are no minimal damage thresholds or anything. You will deal a 100% of the displayed damage at 100 wpf, which means you deal 99% of the damage at 95 wpf, so that is no big deal. Afaik at 0 wpf you will deal 85% of the displayed damage. At 200 wpf you will deal 115%.

As for the swing speed increase, it is about 6.5% per 100 wpf, so the difference between 115 wpf at 1 WM or 140 at 4 WM is about 5% damage and a little more than 2% speed. Which means as much that having low WPF is perfectly fine and probably best if it gets you more IF. I think 27/12 is an excellent build with the MW quarterstaff. In my opinion anything which is considered fast and low damage does not need the WM because fast is fast and proper footwork and mousework get you a lot more speed and damage than the WM does. 
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Torp on March 10, 2013, 01:58:25 pm
i've gone with the mw quarterstaff beofre, and recently got my hands on one again, so this gen ill be using it once more. I've only used it with high agi builds since, imo, the staffs speed is its greatest advantage - and if you combine that speed with high agi for movement speed, it enables you to get trough many players' defense.
Anyways, the stab is obviously the staffs most powerful attack, so i'd aim to use that pretty often - it also hits at point blank range without glancing as opposed to the sideswing - overhead is also nice for the headshots. When you're further away, the left and right swings can be effective too - i tend to always aim for the head though.
I also like wearing very lgiht gear as it increases the speed and people often underestimate you or think you're a peasant.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Haboe on March 10, 2013, 02:13:47 pm
High str build, less glance, good damage  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Bronto on March 10, 2013, 02:42:52 pm
8If 9PS 4ath 4wm will give you about 135 wpf and enough damage to spam successfully.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Prpavi on March 11, 2013, 10:34:55 pm
Quote from: Brontosauce on March 10, 2013, 02:42:52 pm
8If 9PS 4ath 4wm will give you about 135 wpf and enough damage to spam successfully.

how am i supposed to get that much points in?

what lvl build yre u talking about here, mind you i retire my main @ 31
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Korgoth on March 11, 2013, 10:36:09 pm
The thrust does more damage than the swing. Remember that in fights, people never seem to fully concentrate on blocking staff thrusts.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Joseph Porta on March 11, 2013, 10:44:24 pm
Quote from: Prpavi on March 11, 2013, 10:34:55 pm
how am i supposed to get that much points in?

what lvl build yre u talking about here, mind you i retire my main @ 31
24/15
5if max all else
Or 28/12
6if max all else

Or maybe more agi sided? Idk what style you play tbh besides flamberge tincan i think  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Prpavi on March 11, 2013, 10:55:41 pm
Quote from: Joseph_Porta on March 11, 2013, 10:44:24 pm
24/15
5if max all else
Or 28/12
6if max all else

Or maybe more agi sided? Idk what style you play tbh besides flamberge tincan i think  :mrgreen:


hihi yes that was in between my weaboo playstyles :3 love that build but i can't seem to play 2h any more ... nowdays im back to heavy strange armor and heavy g's

i always played more on the str side, never like agi builds or playstyle.

im goin for 27/12  9if, 9ps, 4ath, 1wm
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Bronto on March 12, 2013, 06:14:33 am
I'll double check but I'm pretty sure I had all those points by 31 then just ground to 32.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: oohillac on March 12, 2013, 06:18:02 am
Ran with an Iron Staff for about 2 gens.

Notice on the Quarter (and Iron):  THE STAB DOES HIGHER DAMAGE.  Use it often, aim for the face.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Kelugarn on March 12, 2013, 06:51:19 am
Yes, always aim for the face. And don't forget that even at 18 str/6PS you can get knockdowns around  20% of the time (personal experience). I know I've had whole rounds where every other hit I land knocks someone down.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Shaksie on March 12, 2013, 07:07:54 am
I went 27/12 and it was very, very good.
Could spam almost everyone, did surprisingly high damage, I often killed people outright when I knocked them down, hit them, kicked them then hit them again; knockdown also has a pretty damn good chance (when you have a free hit, stab; does more damage. I didn't realise this for quite some time haha). Destroys armoured targets, aim for weak-spots (generally they have low body armour, face is always a good option though)
Very nice length on all swings, especially right.
Very cheap, 1 slot.
Also I found I glanced very, very little to not at all unless I completely screwed the swing up.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Weren on March 12, 2013, 10:30:27 am
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Well, here is my personal build that I've ran with about 3 years now, not sure if it's any help, though. As you can see I've gone all over the place with some of the stats.
Been using +3 Iron staff myself, which is shorter and has bigger damage. I also go with peasant tier clothes so I can run away from fight any time I want. Remember to do lots of jumping, jump attacks look cool.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Banok on March 13, 2013, 05:47:57 pm
I miss the old quarter staff model/stats.
Title: Re: Staffmasters ur halp pls!
Post by: Tydeus on March 13, 2013, 06:02:12 pm
15/27 but make sure you use lordly heavy/plate armor.