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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: LordLargos on March 06, 2013, 06:54:10 am

Title: What do you want?
Post by: LordLargos on March 06, 2013, 06:54:10 am

If you want more options or have ideas or even some fancy models post them please.
P.S. sorry there are a lot of options but everyone deserves a choice
DEMOCRACYexcept xbow cav and horse archery
Almost forgot to tell you guys if you haven't heard already there will be a heraldic horse in the next patch(according to an overlord)-Devs lied, there was a cav nerf instead(Big surprise there)

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on March 06, 2013, 06:55:19 am

http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/crpg-ingame-feature-what-is-it-you-want/

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: LordLargos on March 06, 2013, 06:58:11 am

Quote from: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on March 06, 2013, 06:55:19 am

http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/crpg-ingame-feature-what-is-it-you-want/

This is a thread solely based on item balance and new items not what general topic you would like the devs to concentrate on. I know the titles may be similar but there is a difference.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: LordLargos on March 06, 2013, 07:07:25 am

Does anyone know if you can allow multiple votes on a poll?

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: jacouille on June 21, 2013, 03:42:05 pm

You can't.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Miwiw on June 21, 2013, 03:43:14 pm

Why can we only want buffs?

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Tennenoth on June 21, 2013, 03:45:10 pm

Quote from: LordLargos on March 06, 2013, 07:07:25 am

Does anyone know if you can allow multiple votes on a poll.

Change "maximum votes per user" to more than 1.

I would do it for you, but I thought that would be rude! :) There is a button at the top of the page that says "edit poll", you can go through there.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Ronin on June 21, 2013, 03:53:45 pm

I want the philosophy of buffing/nerfing to become extinct. It will not take the game to anywhere, it never did.

We should concentrate on thinking ways of improving the teamwork and other aspects of the game, in general.


Let me explain the difference with an example:

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-For example, many people from the community did not like the current nudge system we have. Because it is considered as a no-skill-easy-win by almost everyone and it swashbucklers an extremely powerful tool in 1v1. Especially if the swashbuckler has better movement speed than his opponent.

There are 2 thinking methods of solving a problem like this:
1- We can think on nerfing nudges to reduce their effectiveness.
2- We can think on making nudges to find it's suitable place in our gaming-experience.

Although both two methods might lead us to the same place in the end, there is a small but important difference between those two. And I must say that option 1 is more likely to limit our perspective, while wil make more people to approach the problem in a way that is like "a counters me, nerf a!".

At least this is how I see the problem.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: ArcherHelot on June 21, 2013, 03:57:07 pm

Fuck you who want to buff archers :mad:

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 21, 2013, 03:58:13 pm

Quote from: Ronin on June 21, 2013, 03:53:45 pm

I want the philosophy of buffing/nerfing to become extinct. It will not take the game into anymore, it never did.

We should concentrate on thinking ways of improving the teamwork and other aspects of the game, in general.

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I endorse this statement.

Stop buffing and nerfing please...the game is still relatively balanced, and has been for years.  There's much better ways to improve the game, such as improving teamwork and better map rotations and review.

I'd say couched lances are the most "underpowered" thing in the game, but I'm okay leaving them as is for sake of consistency.  I'm confident I do as much, or near close enough damage when I thrust than when I couch a lance, and when you thrust there's about 1/4 of the downtime as when you couch.  You have to lead with the couch, and then you have the down time after you either hit or miss someone. 

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Ronin on June 21, 2013, 04:07:14 pm

Hehe I updated my post a bit crazy cracka. Make sure if you still agree with it or not :P

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 21, 2013, 04:29:08 pm

I've heard they are making it so you can't kick while the nudge cool down is in effect (good change), and introducing nudges to other classes as well. 

But I do agree that someone who's very mobile can easily fuck you over with a nudge, and you have literally no defense for it if you get hit (other than not letting them get close enough...but when people can block for literally minutes, that's a pretty big expectation). 

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on June 21, 2013, 04:32:38 pm

Stupidest poll ever, everyone probably only votes for their own class because it has some aspects that needs fixing etc.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Chasey on June 21, 2013, 05:24:43 pm

buff everything, make the game faster. Melee doesn't excite me any more, as each fight just comes down to who ever gets bored or ganked first. Faster is better imo

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: FrugFrug on June 21, 2013, 05:32:40 pm

Buff Halfswording

Just by pressing "X" you go from the best to the worst melee class in the game.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 21, 2013, 05:36:48 pm

Quote from: Chasey on June 21, 2013, 05:24:43 pm

buff everything, make the game faster. Melee doesn't excite me any more, as each fight just comes down to who ever gets bored or ganked first. Faster is better imo

Making the game faster lowers the maximum playable ping, imo they should instead add more shit like nudges, kicks, and jumps, to pay attention to.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: StonedSteel on June 21, 2013, 05:44:29 pm

ROFL,,,you know what i want added to this game \ community...proper admins

"Well, this doesn't look good for you. Four team kills - definitely intentional, Appeared to be afk more than once in the video.Also kicking people off of walls is grieving! don't do it.... but ill let you off with a warning this time, only because I don't like largos anyway. "

^ all you need to know about the admins in CRPG....and the real kicker...Desire is one of the better admins out there :(

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Angantyr on June 21, 2013, 06:03:04 pm

What a gem of a poll, I honestly can't tell if it is for real or not.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on June 21, 2013, 06:08:40 pm

tell me what you want, what you really really want

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Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: dynamike on June 21, 2013, 07:56:12 pm

Quote from: LordLargos on March 06, 2013, 06:54:10 am

What do you want?

Intelligent posters and polls.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: San on June 21, 2013, 08:05:01 pm

Don't even remember what was going on back in March for this poll to be up.

Of course mechanics changes are best, but it's hard to say that any work on that will ever really occur, so we just argue about item stats that solves a quarter of one problem while possibly making others.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: LordLargos on June 22, 2013, 02:00:08 am

Uhhhh, I made this?  Oh and Tennenoth or other admins please be rude and change max vote because I am autistic and can't find that option in edit poll.

Quote from: dynamike on June 21, 2013, 07:56:12 pm

Intelligent posters and polls.

That hurts.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Phew on June 25, 2013, 03:03:27 pm

At least point, I think the bases are mostly covered with weapons, and the animations aren't going to change (this is where the real changes need to occur). So like others have said, I'm most interested in:

-Proper siege balance (decreasing defender respawn timer with lower population, primarily)
-Adding more mechanics (like nudge, except less OP)
-Buffing underpowered skills and stats (weapon master, shield, agility, riding, etc), by adding interesting modifiers. i.e. have weapon master enable fun combat mechanics, have shield skill reduce effective shield weight, having riding allow dismounts at speed, etc.
-Tweak animation sweetspot values to eliminate attacks that hit for full damage in the first 1% of the animation (hiltslashing, pointe-blank lolstabs, etc). Then speed up the overall combat speed to compensate.

Those 4 above would keep me playing for years.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Tydeus on June 27, 2013, 01:19:04 am

Quote from: dynamike on June 21, 2013, 07:56:12 pm

Intelligent posters and polls.

I can tell you one thing for sure, if we had more of this, you'd see me openly discussing possible changes quite a bit more often.

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Nehvar on June 27, 2013, 01:52:12 am

No option for cold beer? What kind of "what do you want?" poll is that?

Title: Re: What do you want?
Post by: Joker86 on June 27, 2013, 02:45:50 am

Although I know I run the risk of being called a fascist, a communist or even a combination of both, I think democracy is a bad concept in general. Unless there is some sort of "qualification requirement" for those who are allowed to vote.

The reason is very simple: if you let everyone and his mother decide about stuff they have no clue of, only bullshit will come out. Just look at what politicians or parties are being elected. (If you don't know it already: watch the beginning of the movie "Idiocracy" - it's pure truth... and gold...  :lol: )

The same applies for cRPG. If you let the community vote, do you think you will get any other result to the question "What class do you want to have buffed" than the same one for the question "What class are you playing"? And the same thing, just vice versa, applies for nerfs and respective counter classes. 

Don't expect the community to be mature, objective and - yes, I dare to say it - intelligent enough to make good and reasonable decisions about game design. Most of them don't even understand most basic concepts of balance!

The majority of all people will always be too biased and too incompetent to reasonably use democracy as means of decision. Democracy only works within a group of competent and enthusiastic people. It's the reason why - apart from politics - we encounter it so rarely in our life. Neither in your family, nor in school, at work, in the army, etc. we take democratic decision.



TL;DR: this topic will bring no good.