I would be in favour of making the bastard/hbs and or longsword 1 slot to compensate 2hders and spear and hafted blade 1 slot for polearms. would be nice i think.
i rarely 1shotted anyone with light crossbow, damage isnt so great. maybe with a headshot but those are rare as well. i dont understand why that was changed now.
id understand if normal crossbow was made 2 slots again, but please revert light xbow
yeah maybe better on horseback, but it isnt so great on foot, maybe make only hunting crossbow usable on horseback and change light crossbow back.
It certainly performs one-shot kills from horseback. :idea:
I'd say it was well needed, as the range spam from "casuals" using the standard crossbow was absurd, and I am so grateful that the crossbow spam was finally taken care of. 2 Slots for the light seems a bit odd, but I'm neutral on that and waiting to see.
Pro: Brings xbow into parity with archery where weapon options are concerned, especially the HX/HA disparity.
I think the 2h/xbow hybrids were overpowered, basically having ranged at no cost. I would have rather seen a minimum wpf requirement instead of making the crossbow two slots since it seems like if you want to play that class then the arb is a better choice.
I do disagree here. When it comes to weapons choice, bows currently have 6 one-slot options and only 2 two-slot options. Combine that with 1 stack of arrows and you have a viable 2hander archer combo. I have on of these alts myself.
I know one stack of arrows is not ideal, but hybrids always need to sacrifice somewhere.
So get a hunting crossbow and BAM! You have a 2 hander xbow combo. That is indeed parity. Sure, you won't one shot nearly as much anymore, but you won't one-shot any less than with a 1 slot bow. That archer taking a 2 hander is sacrificing an entire quiver of arrows, as much as 27 of them! So I don't see that you have a valid point.
I never one shotted anyone, even with MW xbow and MW steel bolts - unless on some headshots. And that is only with one stack of bolts - this means only 12 bolts instead of 27 arrows - so there you have your parity.
Ya apple thats the thing. Its not all that fair that you can blackbar me with an arbalast, it doesnt matter you have no skill in it it still hits like a truck and its not hard to hit someone with it even without any WPF. Its dumb that you can carry this shotgun around, invest no points in it, blackbar me when im coming at you and then once i engage you in combat your just as effective as a full melle build, which is what you are. An archer could shoot me several times while im coming at them and blackbar me but once i engage in melle combat they are at a serious disadvantage.
I think this was necessary. Completely prevents me from taking a crossbow with 1 wpf when I go swinging my axe on foot. I only did it because a big bunch of others did the same thing. Now I should not have the need for that anymore.
Sure it made some slasher xbow hybrids not usable, but I guess that's the price we have to pay...
I don't think hybrid 2h/pole + xbow was a big problem. used by meleers they are anti-kite measures, it allowed more people to take on the real crap that ruins c-rpg like kiters, archers camping hard to reach spots, and circling opportunist cav. Watch archers and cav get more out of control now with less xbows around to fire at them long range.
I don't think hybrid 2h/pole + xbow was a big problem. used by meleers they are anti-kite measures, it allowed more people to take on the real crap that ruins c-rpg like kiters, archers camping hard to reach spots, and circling opportunist cav. Watch archers and cav get more out of control now with less xbows around to fire at them long range.
Stop being so stubborn, and start putting throwing into your 2h/polearm builds. Oh wait, you'd actually have to sacrifice something for the increased versatility, guess not! :?
Edit: Sacrificing 3 skill points for wm so you can get wpf in your crossbow isn't nearly enough considering how much effectiveness you gain from bringing the crossbow with your 2 slot melee weapon.
I think the 2h/xbow hybrids were overpowered, basically having ranged at no cost.
The problem was you had these 2 handers with tons of armor hiding behind cover the whole round taking pot shots. It was a min/maxer hybrid class and it really needed to go.
Overall it was needed, but Light Crossbow should have been left 1 slot to give hybrids at least SOME option (not considering Hunting Crossbow an option, but Light Crossbow was/is actually viable on foot).
Overall it was needed, but Light Crossbow should have been left 1 slot to give hybrids at least SOME option (not considering Hunting Crossbow an option, but Light Crossbow was/is actually viable on foot).
37 pierce, 45 when MW isn't "viable"??
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Archers have 6 bows they can easily hybrid any melee class with, 4 of which are damn good, and 2 bows they can hybrid with using a zero slot or less ammo.
But i think u forget about 1 important thing. U need alot WPF in Archery to get some aim and damage. X-Bow doesnt rly need WPF.
haha. 4 pd and 60 wpf and I'm good to go with medium armor.
They lowered the PD wpf requirement so the "U NEED GOOD INVESTMENT" is actually false. 5 PD plus about 80 wpf and I'm perfectly viable hybrid able to use most bows and do decent damage.
This 100%. Fighting past a whole team, charging through a rain of bolts, only to find a well-armoured, full-health pure greatsword user with 2 extra WM for the crossbow was ridiculous.
These people are taking a risk. If theyre a good player and wanna spend the key initial moments of the infantry engagement sitting in the back behind a tree taking potshots at people with their secondary weapon instead of actually applying all that armor and hero weapon to a heavy melee fight, they're gonna find themselves quickly outnumbered. So they may as well be in cloth and using a heavyxbow or arbalast. The majority of battle rounds are won in the first minute during the infantry clash.Not in EU, they're usually first settled here in the second smaller clash of the people who stayed behind/survived the initial one.
haha. 4 pd and 60 wpf and I'm good to go with medium armor.
They lowered the PD wpf requirement so the "U NEED GOOD INVESTMENT" is actually false. 5 PD plus about 80 wpf and I'm perfectly viable hybrid able to use most bows and do decent damage.
Maybe so, but it's about at the level of the Nomad Bow/Bodkins with 6 PD.
Maybe so, but it's about at the level of the Nomad Bow/Bodkins with 6 PD.
I despise anything that limits the amount of gameplay styles we can choose from.This is the only argument for not making the crossbow 2 slots that makes me hesitant in supporting the change. All the other ones I've seen so far are just varying degrees of QQ.
This is the only argument for not making the crossbow 2 slots that makes me hesitant in supporting the change. All the other ones I've seen so far are just varying degrees of QQ.
2 slot xbows in trade for 0 slot swords. Where is the problem? Hunting crossbow is still 1 slot
Complete BS. I despise anything that limits the amount of gameplay styles we can choose from.
So why this thread then?
Use Hunting Crossbow. The whole concept of having good ranged and the best melee is absurd anyway
Are you complaining about WPF now, like it matters for melee? I can use a great maul with 1 wpf and still hit stuff, wpf for melee is totally optional. Having 100 or 150 melee weapon is nothing
So you are best of both worlds without this slot tweak since wpf is still not balanced for melee weapons
You can use xbows with 1 wpf too, they are just poorly implemented in general. Slots system is all that they have to balance atm
No its about sacrificing one thing for another. You shouldn't have good ranged ability as well as very similar melee ability as a pure melee guys. Thats not balanced. You have to take it on a case by case basis rather than blanket "keep all classes pure". Like for example shielders aren't necessarily unbalanced by allowing them to have a 1 hander as well as a spear. They are still fulfilling a similar role. A bow user can use 1 or 0 slot weapons which give them mediocre melee ability compared to pure melee guys (and tend to use weaker armour). A xbow user doesn't need to sacrifice much at all for his build, it is nearly pure melee and pure ranged so the devs need to limit their capabilities a bit to try to create balance.
Jack of all trades, master of everything doesn't work in games like this. You shouldn't have the best xbows and 2handers/poles with very similar builds/capabilities as pure melee guys
Ah, but Grumbs, you can have an archer/shielder with: 1 slot bow, 1 slot quiver, 1 slot sword, 1 slot shield. Afterall, according to you, 100 or 150 wpf doesn't change a thing.
Ah, but Grumbs, you can have an archer/shielder with: 1 slot bow, 1 slot quiver, 1 slot sword, 1 slot shield. Afterall, according to you, 100 or 150 wpf doesn't change a thing.
why only two? do you people forget about the poor Military sickle? 31 pierce or something mw in 2h mode. probably why mine was instantly taken from the marketplace when patch hit.In my experience, Longsword and Bastard swords are overpowered, they most certainly do not need a buff.
I would be in favour of making the bastard/hbs and or longsword 1 slot to compensate 2hders and spear and hafted blade 1 slot for polearms. would be nice i think
Also Hunting Xbow! Use it well ^^
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Broad Short Sword?
Also Short Falchion, Short Sword, Short Arming Sword (this one is beastly sexy to boot), Scottish Sword... c'mon Gristle, open them peepers.FTFY