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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Mlekce on February 22, 2013, 10:53:53 pm
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hello guys i tend to use heavy armor such as heraldic transnational,but i am having problems with fighting agi 2h.
i tried 21/18 but it is too bad. So what build you suggest me to use?
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21/21 is a really good build tbh
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well shema i am asking for lvl 30 build that is lvl 33 build. :D I don't know what to do.
27/12 or 15/21 or 21/15 or 18/18,21/18 or 18/21...
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28/21...
op
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What weapon are you planning to use? Nordic Champion's Sword?
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What weapon are you planning to use? Nordic Champion's Sword?
one and only. :D
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I would use a little bit ligther armor if I were you. I am using 21/18 (lvl 32) with a Brown Rus Lamellar Cuirass and a Nordic Champion's Sword at the moment and it is awesome. Or go for a high strength/hit points build like 27/12.
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i bought lordly pronoia armor,and head armor so i lost some weight in gear there. I am going for 18/21 build should be fine.
If you have better one please reply i am currently at 15/15 4 shield,if,5 ps and athl
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Honestly, go even lighter armor than that. When I shield its ragged outfit hourglass gauntlets knightly kite shield and of course NCS. your shield and footwork / knowing when to manually block, should be more than enough to finish every round still alive! and go 18/18 because balanced builds are best builds.
Riding is optional in this build but its fun to have imo.
18/18
5if
6ps
4shield
5riding
6ath
4wm
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when i was shielder i had pretty much fun with 18 24 (lvl 33) i could catch up basicly everyone and still hit pretty hard (mw Broad One Handed Battle Axe)
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Honestly, go even lighter armor than that. When I shield its ragged outfit hourglass gauntlets knightly kite shield and of course NCS. your shield and footwork / knowing when to manually block, should be more than enough to finish every round still alive! and go 18/18 because balanced builds are best builds.
Riding is optional in this build but its fun to have imo.
18/18
5if
6ps
4shield
5riding
6ath
4wm
I play with light gear for like 1.6 years and i am sick of it.
Everyone roll in plate,i want to be member of the club too. Spent 19 gens playing with shit i want to use good stuff now when i am full of looms and gold.
Nord Rollo,Deserter Have a thee and other people run with heavy armor and shield and swords and they are pretty good. Even Bjord was using same armor as me with 24/18 build and he was good. So it is not in gear,it is more in build and skill.
I like to take a lot of hits before i die,low gear is opposite of my wishes.
I know that deserter have a thee had 18/21 build,and he used sallet with visor and coit,flated boots,hearldic trans,plated gloves,huskarls shield and ncs and was pretty fast.
But i don't know is he using IF and have 0wm or opposite.
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21/18, 18/18 or 18/21
i always go with 18/21
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21/18 is simply best for lvl 30-31.
I feel fast enough, and I was using basically the same armor set today as you today Mlekce. I've always been an avid fan of the 18/21 and 18/24 builds before, but it just doesn't cut it, literally.
You just have to deal with the fact that you cannot deal with every situation as well as you'd like. Agility two-handers like Lolgen for example might be a pain in the ass. If you can, let your ranged shoot them instead.
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I've played many gens of shielder, and "ninja" 2h opponents were always the toughest.
If you have 6 athletics and a long, decently fast weapon like the NCS, its more a question of adjusting your tactics rather than your build.
Here is my advice;
1. Keep patient. Let them spam wildly and feint around, just keep your shield up until you know you have an opening.
2. Keep them directly in front of you, and within striking distance. They will try to dance in and out of range, and get on your flanks to hit around your shield. Be tenacious as a bulldog holding a chew toy and keep them front and center.
3. Learn some manual blocking, because your shield will fail some times.
In terms of equipment, the NCS is good for fighting agi 2h builds. Aim for the head. You will also definitely want high shield skill and a tough shield so ninjas can spam it without too much worry.
In terms of armor...you can use heavy armor... I'd say transitional is pushing it, but definitely still viable. With 6 athletics you can keep up with all but the most extreme agi builds when they're back-pedaling. Remember to be tenacious in pursuit and wait patiently for an opening.
Your original question was about builds. My favorite is 18/18 build.
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If you want to wear heavy armor and 1h/shielder, I suggest 21/15 for a level 30 build. If you go higher, 24/15. You will become very beefy, but need to be careful for 2h and pole axes. Carry a tiny 0 slot 1h weapon for when you have to face hug. The extra speed really helps!
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I've hardly had any problems with agi 2handers using my 24-18 build (lvl 33). You have NCS and right swing, that's quite enough. :)
Though I'd better go for 21-21 now if I go shielder again (18-21 or 21-18 at 30).
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If you want to wear heavy armor and 1h/shielder, I suggest 21/15 for a level 30 build. If you go higher, 24/15. You will become very beefy, but need to be careful for 2h and pole axes. Carry a tiny 0 slot 1h weapon for when you have to face hug. The extra speed really helps!
That build is good for support char,or maybe for inf cav hybrid,but i need something different. Like 1h hero build. :D I want to fight everyone polearmers,2h,shielders,everyone.
As shielder when you fight vs good players you can rely on 2 strategies. Spam or chamber their attacks or you dead.
With 5 athl you can't get in reach to hit any polearmer.
I've hardly had any problems with agi 2handers using my 24-18 build (lvl 33). You have NCS and right swing, that's quite enough. :)
Though I'd better go for 21-21 now if I go shielder again (18-21 or 21-18 at 30).
tbh i don't notice any difference between 6 and 7 ps. it takes same amount of hits to kill someone,and on eu1 everyone have over 50 body armor.
18/24 could be better i think.
I've played many gens of shielder, and "ninja" 2h opponents were always the toughest.
If you have 6 athletics and a long, decently fast weapon like the NCS, its more a question of adjusting your tactics rather than your build.
Here is my advice;
1. Keep patient. Let them spam wildly and feint around, just keep your shield up until you know you have an opening.
2. Keep them directly in front of you, and within striking distance. They will try to dance in and out of range, and get on your flanks to hit around your shield. Be tenacious as a bulldog holding a chew toy and keep them front and center.
3. Learn some manual blocking, because your shield will fail some times.
In terms of equipment, the NCS is good for fighting agi 2h builds. Aim for the head. You will also definitely want high shield skill and a tough shield so ninjas can spam it without too much worry.
In terms of armor...you can use heavy armor... I'd say transitional is pushing it, but definitely still viable. With 6 athletics you can keep up with all but the most extreme agi builds when they're back-pedaling. Remember to be tenacious in pursuit and wait patiently for an opening.
Your original question was about builds. My favorite is 18/18 build.
Well ninjas are usually noobs,but guys in heavy armor with danishes and longswords with 7 or more agi builds they are nightmare when you have 6 athl.
Nord thunder master with his bardiche smash my shield in 2 hits and then i block once his hit and get stunned and then ether he kills me or guys that following him every time,and because of 6 athl and heavy armor i can't run away from them,they face hug me.
Dado also wear heraldic trans and danish gs and guy is blocking like crazy,but he is very fast so i can't spam him or run away from him with 6 athl,he just swings and there is no time to attack cuz he have good footwork i just can hold right swing and pray that someone will help me.
Shema is also reason why i retired. :D Fucking agi spammer. :P
Don't like any build where is 5 or 6 athl.
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I play with light gear for like 1.6 years and i am sick of it.
Everyone roll in plate,i want to be member of the club too. Spent 19 gens playing with shit i want to use good stuff now when i am full of looms and gold.
Nord Rollo,Deserter Have a thee and other people run with heavy armor and shield and swords and they are pretty good. Even Bjord was using same armor as me with 24/18 build and he was good. So it is not in gear,it is more in build and skill.
I like to take a lot of hits before i die,low gear is opposite of my wishes.
I know that deserter have a thee had 18/21 build,and he used sallet with visor and coit,flated boots,hearldic trans,plated gloves,huskarls shield and ncs and was pretty fast.
But i don't know is he using IF and have 0wm or opposite.
I think you are confusing taking lots of hits with being good. someone who has skill doesn't need to crutch on heavy armor, plus you have a shield.
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Well ninjas are usually noobs,but guys in heavy armor with danishes and longswords with 7 or more agi builds they are nightmare when you have 6 athl.
Nord thunder master with his bardiche smash my shield in 2 hits and then i block once his hit and get stunned and then ether he kills me or guys that following him every time,and because of 6 athl and heavy armor i can't run away from them,they face hug me.
Dado also wear heraldic trans and danish gs and guy is blocking like crazy,but he is very fast so i can't spam him or run away from him with 6 athl,he just swings and there is no time to attack cuz he have good footwork i just can hold right swing and pray that someone will help me.
Shema is also reason why i retired. :D Fucking agi spammer. :P
Don't like any build where is 5 or 6 athl.
OOoh, I see what you mean. When I hear "2h agi build", I assumed they have light armor and a spammy weapon. If they are wearing heavy armor, they won't be terribly fast, just good footwork maybe. To kill these types the most effectively, you need to switch weapon. I recommend steel pick. Preferably +3 DEADLY STEEL PICK. Do the same tactics...keep them front and center, within striking range. You will make short work of them. If you hit the head, they'll die in 2-3 hits.
You might want to carry a pick or a mace as a sidearm for when facing these types.
Facing bardiches is a different matter, and requires different tactics in my book.
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I think you are confusing taking lots of hits with being good. someone who has skill doesn't need to crutch on heavy armor, plus you have a shield.
Oh boy you must be very smart. I bet you never get bumped or couched wile fighting infantry or being shot by arbalest or longbow in battle? well i survive all of this with my heavy armor.
More armor = live longer = do more dmg to enemies = help your team.
I never saw light armored guy top score for whole map,but i see all plated shielders on top of board.
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Oh boy you must be very smart. I bet you never get bumped or couched wile fighting infantry or being shot by arbalest or longbow in battle? well i survive all of this with my heavy armor.
More armor = live longer = do more dmg to enemies = help your team.
I never saw light armored guy top score for whole map,but i see all plated shielders on top of board.
Oh boy you must be very bad. I did six gens as a shielder and never wore anything above a lamellar vest and topped the scoreboards almost every round. Consistently going 15:3. So get better, no reason to be an asshat.
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Oh boy you must be very bad. I did six gens as a shielder and never wore anything above a lamellar vest and topped the scoreboards almost every round. Consistently going 15:3. So get better, no reason to be an asshat.
Being good at games = no life. You must be very proud of urself.
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You already tank a lot of hits with lamellar +3 anyways. I think the winning combination is medium body, heavier head armor. This reduces the amount of random high damage amounts taken, and make it more stable. Either way, heavier armor is viable for a shielder. You just have to approach a bit more with feints and holds, in order to make your opponent guess whether he's within range or not.
Overhead is invaluable in this situation, when the opponent is at the tip of your range, since it's pretty fast and has fairly high reach compared to left swing.
@bronto I don't really remember that lul..