Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 08:17:46 am
Title: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 08:17:46 am
To all those Eu people who mentioned how happy they would be to attack such a corrupt bad NA admin, just wanted to let you know we sent him right back to you after 5 days trying to get back here, about 10 minutes from getting back into his city - lol. feel free to attack him. Also, he is doing 1 troops and horses so best bet is to have 1 guy do the same and chase him down until his quickmarch ends then kick him out of a fief if need be or just attack him with someone waiting furher ahead.
basically a fun cat & mouse and i think the reward was up to 50K crpg gold, so have fun in the sewer rat hunt.
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: lcrispyl on February 20, 2013, 11:14:55 am
Kesh the extremes you go through to make strat worse and worse astounds me... I would like to see some actual good battle/sieges... this shit you are pulling is a bunch of crap. I understand you have a personal vendetta against smoothrich can't you put that aside, your killing the community with these shit ass fights. It seems you use every possible exploit of the game you can, which is making strat very undesirable... just sayin bud. Keep it clean for once and get the job done or go down fighting! There is more honor in that then what you have been doing.
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: Rebelyell on February 20, 2013, 11:42:25 am
Kesh the extremes you go through to make strat worse and worse astounds me... I would like to see some actual good battle/sieges... this shit you are pulling is a bunch of crap. I understand you have a personal vendetta against smoothrich can't you put that aside, your killing the community with these shit ass fights. It seems you use every possible exploit of the game you can, which is making strat very undesirable... just sayin bud. Keep it clean for once and get the job done or go down fighting! There is more honor in that then what you have been doing.
thrust me NA or EU there is shitload of peps that have reason to hate smootrich
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: okiN on February 20, 2013, 01:02:40 pm
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: Casimir on February 20, 2013, 01:24:46 pm
STOP BREAKING RP DIPROMACY RULEZ!
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: lcrispyl on February 20, 2013, 01:35:47 pm
I hear ya rebel, but what i'm getting at basically is the crappy sieges as of late... the so called "item bombing". I enjoy the hard fought battles, Win or lose, the ones that come down to the wire. Not being able to get gear that you normally would enjoy using in these fights is getting old. I'm sure most members of the community could agree. I have enjoyed all battles/sieges thus far, but it seems like FCC is exploiting some things that should be fixed in strat, even tho they are very aware of what they are doing and continue to do so. I feel it's kinda like Cheating/Hacking the system. I would prefer them to keep it clean and enjoyable for the rest of the community. Keep the battles coming and earn what you have fought for!
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: BaleOhay on February 20, 2013, 01:56:12 pm
only way to take the city is in waves. We are not doing anything wrong. Sure it sucks that the equipment pile on is happening but we can not be blamed for it. In fact there is nothing we can do about it.
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 02:24:50 pm
Never item bombed, just happens when you have battles without clearing your inventory. Stopping smoothrich from getting back and taking out the 500K gold in the fief is a completely reasonable tactic. Im sorry you dont have fun, but we are not going to just give him the 500K gold because he cant clear his inventory and was foolish enough to leave his fief. We have been making every battle a primetime battle and they give you plenty of plate armor and great mauls every fight - have nothing to complain about.
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 20, 2013, 02:51:01 pm
Maybe it's a "dick move" and maybe it's partially fueled by a vendetta...however keeping a fief owner returning to his city (a city that's under siege no less) is a very smart and tactical move. It doesn't matter why it's being done, just that there is certainly a tactical advantage to keeping a fief without it's owner.
That's why it's SUPA DUPA important to transfer ownership if you ever need to leave your fief. Never know what could happen.
The item bomb thing is inevitable in a siege for a city. It would be nice if there was an extra line added to the bottom of the weapon list that had all projectiles as their own category, I think that would alleviate the issue with items being unable to be used.
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: Rikthor on February 20, 2013, 03:04:35 pm
What's this, Huseby making a completely reasonable and good post? I am not sure how I feel since I am in agreement with that post. :shock:
As for these "shit ass fights", I have fought for both sides. Once for FCC, twice for HP(I could only stand DaveUKR's voice so much) and maybe because I am not ranged, they are still fun battles with tons of xp.
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: BaleOhay on February 20, 2013, 04:40:51 pm
Appreciate u saying this. all the others keep acting like we are cheating. as if they would not be doing the exact same if rolls were reversed. We want the city and are trying to take it. getting that 500k would help mitigate some of the expense. Keeping owner out is def making things easier
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: MURDERTRON on February 20, 2013, 07:21:10 pm
What's this, Huseby making a completely reasonable and good post? I am not sure how I feel since I am in agreement with that post. :shock:
As for these "shit ass fights", I have fought for both sides. Once for FCC, twice for HP(I could only stand DaveUKR's voice so much) and maybe because I am not ranged, they are still fun battles with tons of xp.
I just about shit myself when I read huseby's post. And yea, as far as these shit ass fights, you can blame the devs for designing such a tough city to take and hero party for continually reinforcing the city. Funny thing is not only are dropping troops in, but more armor too. This makes it worse for them as they must know its locking more of their weapons away.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 20, 2013, 07:27:52 pm
I can be "enemies" with someone and still see why they would logically do something. I don't know if you're surprised that I'm being "logical" or if that an enemy is saying something on the forums that lends credibility to the other side...I would hope it's the latter, I try not to come across as too delusional on the forums (despite my misleading forum title)
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 20, 2013, 07:29:28 pm
I just about shit myself when I read huseby's post. And yea, as far as these shit ass fights, you can blame the devs for designing such a tough city to take and hero party for continually reinforcing the city. Funny thing is not only are dropping troops in, but more armor too. This makes it worse for them as they must know its locking more of their weapons away.
Any armor that was reinforced is more stuff that the city already has. Doesn't really matter if you have 1,000 or 10,000 mongol armors as far as gear being locked down.
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 07:44:07 pm
Any armor that was reinforced is more stuff that the city already has. Doesn't really matter if you have 1,000 or 10,000 mongol armors as far as gear being locked down.
you forget you used those armors and made them broken, but then you put in +3 plate armor and it adds back a whole new item. Still have plenty of great mauls and plate - all you really need for a siege. We never item bombed but we have attacked 4 times now and its the natural process shit gets used and you get more items as different equipment is used. We are teleporting smoothrich because one of the benefits of being defenders is you get fed endless amounts of expensive gear which can equip all your armies, so if we cans top you from getting it out we can get millions of gold worth of gear in addition to the 500K gold. of course since its fcc and me and its hero party and smoothrich its some evil conspiracy to screw you guys over - well keep playing with your smoothrich conspiracies like you always do and ignore the facts;
All you have to do to item bomb a fief is directly transfer the gear into the city - we never did that Most of our armies have had 100-120 item types, only the first one didnt, it was down to 190 after we sold 70 different item types because it was our shittya my leftover from wiping out shik who had atatcked a village with crap gear - sole purpose was to probe the walls and find out best way to atatck it while not giving a bunch of great gear to defenders or wasting good gear on a failed assault as we figured out where to catapult and set up forward bases having never attacked this city before and having our last city attack have a MAJOR bug in it Amount of crates means nothing unless its open field battle and you are trying to weigh them down so they cant get away, its number of item types that relates to inventory issues
i understand a bunch of you are rabid in the mouth hating us (obvious from your posts), but we made no attempt to item bomb, we were just aware that teleporting smoothrich would screw over his management of the city because he couldn't trust any of his own faction enough to transfer the fief and we have done our best to take it with increasingly shinier armies as defenders get all the gear of attackers so attacking with +3 gear to start gives them really expensive +1 gear for the next siege. So #2 and #3 were primarily normal quality gear or +1 gear but still only 100-120 item types. Please stop withthe smoothrich conspiracy theories and just complain to developers about the bug about inventory that needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 20, 2013, 07:52:11 pm
Maybe it's a "dick move" and maybe it's partially fueled by a vendetta...however keeping a fief owner returning to his city (a city that's under siege no less) is a very smart and tactical move. It doesn't matter why it's being done, just that there is certainly a tactical advantage to keeping a fief without it's owner.
That's why it's SUPA DUPA important to transfer ownership if you ever need to leave your fief. Never know what could happen.
The item bomb thing is inevitable in a siege for a city. It would be nice if there was an extra line added to the bottom of the weapon list that had all projectiles as their own category, I think that would alleviate the issue with items being unable to be used.
Glad someone outside of FCC finally posted this. The things that we have done during this siege are not abuse or exploits. They provide a tactical advantage. That's the point. Do you really expect an attacking army to sit politely until the fief owner returns? Just attack once with an army of 6000 and lose 4000 troops when the timer runs out??
The "item bombing" of good gear is inevitable. We have been skimming low-count and bad gear out of armies before attacking, but there's nothing that can be done about decent gear going into a fief that successfully defends iteself. I wouldn't care at all if a dev stepped in and cleared out the city's inventory.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 20, 2013, 08:09:59 pm
Can you explain why everyone of your armies has had leather armor, gambisons, deli robes, ragged outfits, sarranid padded vests, torches, rondel daggers, hammers, pick axes, boar spears, shitty shields, hunting crossbows, a plethora of useless hats, wrapping boots?
I get why it is full of broken lamellars, horses, lances, axes, arrows, gloves, other real gear that is of varying loom/broken levels, but the peasant stuff really sticks out.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Keshian on February 20, 2013, 08:22:51 pm
Can you explain why everyone of your armies has had leather armor, gambisons, deli robes, ragged outfits, sarranid padded vests, torches, rondel daggers, hammers, pick axes, boar spears, shitty shields, hunting crossbows, a plethora of useless hats, wrapping boots?
??? Where are you getting this made up info. Talk to any of our mercs - none of the last 3 armies have had leather armor, gambesons, deli robes, sarranid padded vests, torches or wrapping boots. We did have a lot of crossbows - i think 1 army had 25 hunting xbows upon request (patricklus has a 7-27 hx build) since we have +3 or +2 hunting xbows in ismirala castle that fus brought down with him. We had ragged outfits +1 for our archer in either the second or third army, we have had normal rondel daggers in EVERY fight not even these ones in the city, they are beautiful for raping tin cans, we have had eu guys joke about being equipped with rondel daggers in our open field fights but they are OP weapons. We have no had shitty shields in any of the last 3 armies though im not a shielder so maybe some other people have a lesser approval rating. But yeah most of that stuff none of our last 3 armies have had on them.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 20, 2013, 08:23:35 pm
I wasn't able to make most of the battle since I work nights. I was only present during the planning and I can assure that we pulled a lot of stuff out before attacking. I don't know about all of the items you listed, but the rondel daggers are something we have upgraded in a fief somewhere. They are stupidly good for a 0 slot weapon with almost no cost. In our first probing attack (the one full of "shitty gear") we almost ran out of equipment because we only put the bare minimum of stuff in there. That's probably where most of the other items came from.
As a joking aside: Shouldn't hero party be happy that we are giving them the items Shik ran off with? Those are rightly yours.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 20, 2013, 08:46:21 pm
You do realize when you clear out that inventory and your side wins you get 50% of that same stuff back, right? That's how you still had it.
Actually yes, I am aware of that, but it appears to be growing. But whatever, if you say you aren't doing it, then ok.
But don't say comments like well you still have plate armor and mauls what more do you need lulz*. I think we can all look at Rindyar and Tilbaut castle and see how important ranged is on defense. Not to mention the players that are ranged on our team are basically useless for 1/2 the battle.
*Thank you for not using this expression anymore.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Phantasmal on February 20, 2013, 09:58:11 pm
At the beginning of the battle we were restricted from about 1/4 of our 2H and we did not have access to our range until ~ 3/4 of the way through the battle. The only reason I managed to go positive was from a MW arbalest I looted from Segd's corpse about a quarter of the way through the battle and bolts I scavenged from people shooting at our team. I felt like a pauper running around the map/by our team looking for ammunition to fire back.
Edit: If you would like proof of how important ranged was in this siege, compare your range's K/D to ours. There was a lot of ranged on the FCC side that came near (or above) 2:1 and (from a rough estimate) they contributed pretty generously to your positive kill differential. Not to mention the lack of our ranged allowed FCC easy entrance into the castle within 10 minutes of the start of the battle.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Haboe on February 20, 2013, 10:16:47 pm
I bet smoothrich is honoured that so much attention is paid to him :mrgreen:
Is there still that bounty on his head?
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Kelugarn on February 20, 2013, 10:43:53 pm
I'm certain the answer is yes.
Title: Re: Smoothich in EU again
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 21, 2013, 12:51:19 am
To all those Eu people who mentioned how happy they would be to attack such a corrupt bad NA admin, just wanted to let you know we sent him right back to you after 5 days trying to get back here, about 10 minutes from getting back into his city - lol. feel free to attack him. Also, he is doing 1 troops and horses so best bet is to have 1 guy do the same and chase him down until his quickmarch ends then kick him out of a fief if need be or just attack him with someone waiting furher ahead.
basically a fun cat & mouse and i think the reward was up to 50K crpg gold, so have fun in the sewer rat hunt.
I might have to yank my rains and turn my horse around. I got a nice shiny Nordic champion sword, a destrier, heraldic trans, leather boots, a kettle helmet, and some mail gauntlets sadly I'm going to have to pass though since I'm pretty much home.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Gash on February 22, 2013, 07:51:23 am
I think your "tactic" to keep the owner out of his city is not only lame & poor sportsmanship but definitely exploiting a bugged feature of the game. How you can even justify this or argue against it is dumbfounding, regardless of the clan you're from.
This situation is no different from a clan attacking its own fief to lock it down. Both are exploiting poor mechanics of the mod. Rules are made to make sure deliberate exploiting of poor mechanics don't happen. We wouldn't want exploiting-to-win to be a regular re-occurrence on either Strat or NA_1, would we? So why set a precedence for this kind of behavior?
This silly mod doesn't provide the fief owner the ability to transfer the ownership to someone else if he isn't around. It also doesn't allow him to sell stuff when he isn't there.
So basically, preventing the owner from returning to sell the gear or transfer the fief to someone else in a bugged context is pretty much abusing an unfortunate game mechanic. Claiming that we have plate and mauls so we should be content is absolute bullcrap. You're using the bug to your advantage, and are thus exploiting the bug. Plain and simple. If that's what you need to win, fine. But calling it a "legit" tactic and bragging about it is disappointing coming from multiple community veterans... You may not be directly or voluntarily "item-bombing" the city as you claim, but you are most certainly doing it indirectly by not allowing the items to be sold.
Why the need to set a precedence? Where's the sportsmanship?
edit: lol at the folks -1'ing this post. I guess its a bad thing to be against bug abuse and in favor of playing the game the way its meant to be played + good sportsmanship. Guess I'm too old-fashioned... Keep at it you little forum warriors.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Matey on February 22, 2013, 08:00:30 am
I think your "tactic" to keep the owner out of his city is not only lame & poor sportsmanship but definitely exploiting a bugged feature of the game. How you can even justify this or argue against it is dumbfounding, regardless of the clan you're from.
This situation is no different from a clan attacking its own fief to lock it down. Both are exploiting poor mechanics of the mod. Rules are made to make sure deliberate exploiting of poor mechanics don't happen. We wouldn't want exploiting-to-win to be a regular re-occurrence on either Strat or NA_1, would we? So why set a precedence for this kind of behavior?
This silly mod doesn't provide the fief owner the ability to transfer the ownership to someone else if he isn't around. It also doesn't allow him to sell stuff when he isn't there.
So basically, preventing the owner from returning to sell the gear or transfer the fief to someone else in a bugged context is pretty much abusing an unfortunate game mechanic. Claiming that we have plate and mauls so we should be content is absolute bullcrap. You're using the bug to your advantage, and are thus exploiting the bug. Plain and simple. If that's what you need to win, fine. But calling it a "legit" tactic and bragging about it is disappointing coming from multiple community veterans... You may not be directly or voluntarily "item-bombing" the city as you claim, but you are most certainly doing it indirectly by not allowing the items to be sold.
Why the need to set a precedence? Where's the sportsmanship?
you aren't serious... are you? Sun Tzu would face palm at your logic.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 22, 2013, 08:18:54 am
you aren't serious... are you? Sun Tzu would face palm at your logic.
When did Sun Tzu write the art of internet horse war?
You guys keep using the same excuse of In real life you would do anything to win a war. Guess what though:
1) This is a video game 2) In real life people don't get so fluster by the amount of gear that they can't select their arrows,shields, half their two handers.
I really see no reason why you need to be in your fief to manage it.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 22, 2013, 08:20:02 am
I think your "tactic" to keep the owner out of his city is not only lame & poor sportsmanship but definitely exploiting a bugged feature of the game. How you can even justify this or argue against it is dumbfounding, regardless of the clan you're from.
This situation is no different from a clan attacking its own fief to lock it down. Both are exploiting poor mechanics of the mod. Rules are made to make sure deliberate exploiting of poor mechanics don't happen. We wouldn't want exploiting-to-win to be a regular re-occurrence on either Strat or NA_1, would we? So why set a precedence for this kind of behavior?
This silly mod doesn't provide the fief owner the ability to transfer the ownership to someone else if he isn't around. It also doesn't allow him to sell stuff when he isn't there.
So basically, preventing the owner from returning to sell the gear or transfer the fief to someone else in a bugged context is pretty much abusing an unfortunate game mechanic. Claiming that we have plate and mauls so we should be content is absolute bullcrap. You're using the bug to your advantage, and are thus exploiting the bug. Plain and simple. If that's what you need to win, fine. But calling it a "legit" tactic and bragging about it is disappointing coming from multiple community veterans... You may not be directly or voluntarily "item-bombing" the city as you claim, but you are most certainly doing it indirectly by not allowing the items to be sold.
Why the need to set a precedence? Where's the sportsmanship?
edit: lol at the folks -1'ing this post. I guess its a bad thing to be against bug abuse and in favor of playing the game the way its meant to be played + good sportsmanship. Guess I'm too old-fashioned... Keep at it you little forum warriors.
My sides hurt from laughing so hard. You wouldn't know what sportsmanship is even if I copy-pasted the definition from a dictionary. Let me know when you give Smooth that same lecture and then I'll take you seriously.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 22, 2013, 08:28:07 am
My sides hurt from laughing so hard. You wouldn't know what sportsmanship is even if I copy-pasted the definition from a dictionary. Let me know when you give Smooth that same lecture and then I'll take you seriously.
inb4 you log in on your girlfriends account and 1+ your post.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Smoothrich on February 22, 2013, 08:32:38 am
When did Sun Tzu write the art of internet horse war?
Hahahaha. There is innovation and then just frustration and a need to win at the expense of many other people. There's a difference between competitiveness and dickheadedness. Exploits and "playing well."
Rules are vague, administration unable or unwilling to keep a handle on all the bugs and bullshit in Strat, but at the end of the day there will always be powergamers who think legitimate strategy is Winning At Any Cost and not giving a shit about battles and fun, and the rest who just want to fight big battles in primetime with all the good players and gear and do their best to win with skill.
I suppose it is the nature of an underdeveloped, "open world" game like Strategus that it will just be griefed and exploited to shit for advantages. The only solution is simply not play. But that would be too easy.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Matey on February 22, 2013, 08:36:34 am
Hahahaha. There is innovation and then just frustration and a need to win at the expense of many other people. There's a difference between competitiveness and dickheadedness. Exploits and "playing well."
Rules are vague, administration unable or unwilling to keep a handle on all the bugs and bullshit in Strat, but at the end of the day there will always be powergamers who think legitimate strategy is Winning At Any Cost and not giving a shit about battles and fun, and the rest who just want to fight big battles in primetime with all the good players and gear and do their best to win with skill.
I suppose it is the nature of an underdeveloped, "open world" game like Strategus that it will just be griefed and exploited to shit for advantages. The only solution is simply not play.
funny... we were looking forward to another big prime time battle before you and zilla did your "thing"
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: oprah_winfrey on February 22, 2013, 08:37:16 am
Oh nevermind, found it in the book. Last line.
Quote from: Sun Tzu
If you outnumber them two to one, divide them.
If you outnumber them five to one, attack them.
If you are equal, then find an advantageous battle.
If you are fewer, defend against them.
If you are much weaker, abuse shitty game mechanics to beat them.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Smoothrich on February 22, 2013, 08:38:33 am
is that how you justify the fief lockdown/transfer you and zilla did?
Currently there is an internal struggle between Hero Party loyalists and defectors on where to handle the direction of the Strategus faction. But I think both sides of the argument would agree on this.
Stop Shitposting.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Matey on February 22, 2013, 08:38:53 am
hahaha. ever heard of the time limit? if not for that we could have just attacked with 10k vs 6k to start and been done with it.
How fucking spergy are you to sit at a 10k vs 6k battle. That would take over 4 hours. I dont know about you, but I couldnt sit down and play in a strat battle for 4 hours.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: BaleOhay on February 22, 2013, 01:31:43 pm
Currently there is an internal struggle between Hero Party loyalists and defectors on where to handle the direction of the Strategus faction. But I think both sides of the argument would agree on this.
Stop Shitposting.
Smooth you can stop man Zilla already admitted the "rebellion" was your plan and it was a shitty thing to do. (so he gave us some of our gear back and promised a handful of other thigns we are waiting to see happen) . You are not fooling anyone man. Attacking in waves not against the rules... What you guys did is 100% against the rules.
I think your "tactic" to keep the owner out of his city is not only lame & poor sportsmanship but definitely exploiting a bugged feature of the game. How you can even justify this or argue against it is dumbfounding, regardless of the clan you're from.
This situation is no different from a clan attacking its own fief to lock it down. Both are exploiting poor mechanics of the mod. Rules are made to make sure deliberate exploiting of poor mechanics don't happen. We wouldn't want exploiting-to-win to be a regular re-occurrence on either Strat or NA_1, would we? So why set a precedence for this kind of behavior?
This silly mod doesn't provide the fief owner the ability to transfer the ownership to someone else if he isn't around. It also doesn't allow him to sell stuff when he isn't there.
So basically, preventing the owner from returning to sell the gear or transfer the fief to someone else in a bugged context is pretty much abusing an unfortunate game mechanic. Claiming that we have plate and mauls so we should be content is absolute bullcrap. You're using the bug to your advantage, and are thus exploiting the bug. Plain and simple. If that's what you need to win, fine. But calling it a "legit" tactic and bragging about it is disappointing coming from multiple community veterans... You may not be directly or voluntarily "item-bombing" the city as you claim, but you are most certainly doing it indirectly by not allowing the items to be sold.
Why the need to set a precedence? Where's the sportsmanship?
edit: lol at the folks -1'ing this post. I guess its a bad thing to be against bug abuse and in favor of playing the game the way its meant to be played + good sportsmanship. Guess I'm too old-fashioned... Keep at it you little forum warriors.
take a city by force and lets see how you guys do it. It is hard. Fcc has done it twice and would have done it a third time.
VE did it against remnant and nearly lost even tho remnant was naked with wooden sticks.
Already been stated its a sucky mechanic and needs to change but it is not against the rules to attack a city in waves with its owner gone. Save your boo wooing and your anger and put it against blatant cheating the smoothrich way
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Bronto on February 22, 2013, 02:48:58 pm
How fucking spergy are you to sit at a 10k vs 6k battle. That would take over 4 hours. I dont know about you, but I couldnt sit down and play in a strat battle for 4 hours.
It's not that you couldn't, it's that the game would crash or become so unbearably laggy from all the weapons and bodies dropped that you'd want to head butt your monitor. you'd go from 45 ping to like 656 by the time it was done.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on February 22, 2013, 02:53:27 pm
It's not that you couldn't, it's that the game would crash or become so unbearably laggy from all the weapons and bodies dropped that you'd want to head butt your monitor. you'd go from 45 ping to like 656 by the time it was done.
From what I remember of old strategus battles, the lag was much much less of an issue than it is these days, mainly because of the new WSE or so I have heard (could be wrong)
Really long sieges were hilarious though, one siege I played in for an hour, went afk for like 5hours and when I came back I rejoined and still played in it for a little while longer before it ended.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 22, 2013, 03:27:36 pm
From what I remember of old strategus battles, the lag was much much less of an issue than it is these days, mainly because of the new WSE or so I have heard (could be wrong)
Really long sieges were hilarious though, one siege I played in for an hour, went afk for like 5hours and when I came back I rejoined and still played in it for a little while longer before it ended.
Since they switched the servers to run on Windows server 2008 we haven't had the issues with lag in sieges any more (at least it's a 100% improvement for me)
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Gash on February 22, 2013, 06:11:17 pm
Already been stated its a sucky mechanic and needs to change but it is not against the rules to attack a city in waves with its owner gone. Save your boo wooing and your anger and put it against blatant cheating the smoothrich way
You're right, its not against the rules to attack a city while the owner is gone, just like a bunch of exploits and bug abuses weren't against the rules in NA_1 back in the day... until we had to make rules for them cause people don't want to play fair... Nothing you are currently doing is against any rule per say; but going out of your way to prevent the owner from returning to fix the problem and have the fair and appropriate battles we are supposed to have is pretty much abusing the bug, regardless how you want to justify it.
You're right, perhaps other clans would be doing the same if it were them; and I would be as equally disappointed about it either way. Just don't start complaining on the forums when another clan exploits a bug against your faction, because you've set a precedence and folks won't need to justify themselves when they just need to point at this example. Shame...
On that note; props to NH, Frisia and TkoV for being such great opponents to battle against. My catapult awaits! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 22, 2013, 06:16:47 pm
One day I predict Smoothrich rallying all of EU to cross the border and wiping NA.. The coalition, sue han and UIF will fight side by side as brothers!
World war incoming! :mrgreen:
Would surely be something to behold :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on February 22, 2013, 06:56:54 pm
How fucking spergy are you to sit at a 10k vs 6k battle. That would take over 4 hours. I dont know about you, but I couldnt sit down and play in a strat battle for 4 hours.
I'm pretty fuckin' spergy because I would totally do that. I can only imagine the xp.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 22, 2013, 07:04:33 pm
I'm pretty fuckin' spergy because I would totally do that. I can only imagine the xp.
Likewise, if it was an open field battle then I would enjoy that immensely. A siege though... Not so much.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 22, 2013, 07:13:27 pm
Why does a fief owner have to be at their fief to manage it, if enemies aren't allowed to attack the fief owner until they reach the city then what's the point?
The game will never perfectly mimic real life. If the line between smart tactics and exploiting game mechanics is so blurry, then someone with authority needs to lay down a set of rules.
Also I would totally play a 4 hour strat battle. THE ECKS PEE! THINK OF THE ECKS PEE!!! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Smoothrich on February 22, 2013, 07:55:20 pm
One day I predict Smoothrich rallying all of EU to cross the border and wiping NA.. The coalition, sue han and UIF will fight side by side as brothers!
World war incoming! :mrgreen:
Would surely be something to behold :mrgreen:
Last strat I was the only NA merc for clans like Union on their wars of aggression against the American community. Spent every battle with my 200 ping UIF brothers shit talking America and owning people in full plate. Would gladly do it again.
Why does a fief owner have to be at their fief to manage it, if enemies aren't allowed to attack the fief owner until they reach the city then what's the point?
The game will never perfectly mimic real life. If the line between smart tactics and exploiting game mechanics is so blurry, then someone with authority needs to lay down a set of rules.
Also I would totally play a 4 hour strat battle. THE ECKS PEE! THINK OF THE ECKS PEE!!! :mrgreen:
Its the various versions of broken gear blocking inventory spawns making battles incredibly unfun for defense in some circumstances that is the problem. Its a choice between fun battles or gaming the game for any advantage possible at others expense. Ideally things like that could simply be patched away by devs to something sane if the game wasn't so underdeveloped.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Matey on February 22, 2013, 08:04:53 pm
You're right, its not against the rules to attack a city while the owner is gone, just like a bunch of exploits and bug abuses weren't against the rules in NA_1 back in the day... until we had to make rules for them cause people don't want to play fair... Nothing you are currently doing is against any rule per say; but going out of your way to prevent the owner from returning to fix the problem and have the fair and appropriate battles we are supposed to have is pretty much abusing the bug, regardless how you want to justify it.
You're right, perhaps other clans would be doing the same if it were them; and I would be as equally disappointed about it either way. Just don't start complaining on the forums when another clan exploits a bug against your faction, because you've set a precedence and folks won't need to justify themselves when they just need to point at this example. Shame...
On that note; props to NH, Frisia and TkoV for being such great opponents to battle against. My catapult awaits! :mrgreen:
you are missing the point completely gash. The reason we are keeping smooth away is not to fuck up the gear. Smooth left a large amount of gold in the city and we wanted it, that was why we didn't want to let him back; letting him back means losing out on all the gold and gear that we want to capture to mitigate the massive cost of sieging the city.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: okiN on February 22, 2013, 08:10:30 pm
One day I predict Smoothrich rallying all of EU to cross the border and wiping NA.. The coalition, sue han and UIF will fight side by side as brothers!
World war incoming! :mrgreen:
Would surely be something to behold :mrgreen:
If it wasn't for the lag involved, I'd be all for this idea. BLANKET WIPE NA.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 22, 2013, 08:15:20 pm
If it wasn't for the lag involved, I'd be all for this idea. BLANKET WIPE NA.
Yeah it's too bad, would be so frigging big, imagine the two forces clashing in gigantic battles, since it's "continent vs cuntinent" massive armys would be produced.
Big battles would actually be decisive aswell. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Rikthor on February 22, 2013, 08:17:31 pm
Yeah it's too bad, would be so frigging big, imagine the two forces clashing in gigantic battles, since it's "continent vs cuntinent" massive armys would be produced.
Big battles would actually be decisive aswell. :mrgreen:
Strat 2 had everyone together and was pretty fun.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Matey on February 22, 2013, 08:37:30 pm
ehhh kind of... except for the missing out on sleep because of internet horsies... i think someday when internet is so epic that the ping difference from west NA to east EU isnt so bad then it would be doable cause you could have very international clans and pull mercs from everywhere... and then it wouldnt be murder for people to try and manage things cause they wouldnt have to deal with the 1-8am bullshit or the workday bullshit, they could just let someone else from another country handle it... but we aren't really there yet. east coast NA and west coast EU can play anywhere without too much trouble, but thats about it.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on February 22, 2013, 08:39:04 pm
ehhh kind of... except for the missing out on sleep because of internet horsies... i think someday when internet is so epic that the ping difference from west NA to east EU isnt so bad then it would be doable cause you could have very international clans and pull mercs from everywhere... and then it wouldnt be murder for people to try and manage things cause they wouldnt have to deal with the 1-8am bullshit or the workday bullshit, they could just let someone else from another country handle it... but we aren't really there yet. east coast NA and west coast EU can play anywhere without too much trouble, but thats about it.
Every clan could have a "night shift".
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 22, 2013, 09:11:44 pm
That's essentially how it was. When battles were at terrible times for EU, then friendly NA clans would merc for them, and vice versa. You had EU clans and NA clans as neighbors, and lots of times they would fight in each other's battles (even though the ping + the terrible lag of sieges [which is fixed now] would make it hard to play across the pond)
I miss strat 2's open borders, and NA and EU factions having an incentive to work with each other more (and merc in each other's battles)
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Matey on February 22, 2013, 09:17:45 pm
That's essentially how it was. When battles were at terrible times for EU, then friendly NA clans would merc for them, and vice versa. You had EU clans and NA clans as neighbors, and lots of times they would fight in each other's battles (even though the ping + the terrible lag of sieges [which is fixed now] would make it hard to play across the pond)
I miss strat 2's open borders, and NA and EU factions having an incentive to work with each other more (and merc in each other's battles)
i have fond memories of strat 2, but i prefer the new system.
Title: Re: Smoothrich in EU again
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 22, 2013, 09:49:46 pm
Hahahaha. There is innovation and then just frustration and a need to win at the expense of many other people. There's a difference between competitiveness and dickheadedness. Exploits and "playing well."
I don't really see the distinction between dickheadedness/trolling in the game via game mechanics without breaking rules, and dickheadedness/trolling on the forums via posts without breaking rules, considering the outcome is the same and so are the steps. It is the same thing but in different places... How can you support one but not the other? :|