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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Thucydides on April 30, 2011, 08:55:39 am
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Seriously, It is the only high tier polearm that escaped a nerf. They nerfed The LHSM, the Great Long Axe, but not the bec? Half the tin can whores using polearm were using a Bec prepatch and now theres even more reason to use it with the polearm nerfs of the latest patch.
The bec is superior to my GLA in every way except for shield breaking and 3 length. Because of the damage nerf to my GLA, i can't one shot anyone anymore, but people with a bec can still stun kill me in two quick ass swings, It has a stab that deals serious damage, and it glances less and gets caught in shit far less than my axe does.
Its like all the popular polearm weapons prepatch got NERFED while the bec was oddly left out...
I don't know what to do about this, but the recent nerfs to all the other polearms have made the bec the weapon to whore, and it gets lame dying to stunlock bec whores.
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Personally I like Poleaxe, Sycthe or Iron Staff better than I ever did GLA, LHSM, Long Hafted Blade or Bec, but I'm also not selecting my weapon of choice based solely on how fast/well/efficiently I can mow people down.
Why should you use anything but a Bec? For aesthetic reasons, I guess.
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Personally I like Poleaxe, Sycthe or Iron Staff better than I ever did GLA, LHSM, Long Hafted Blade or Bec, but I'm also not selecting my weapon of choice based solely on how fast/well/efficiently I can mow people down.
Why should you use anything but a Bec? For aesthetic reasons, I guess.
I choose to do the GLA because its a big fucking axe that looks intimidating and its fun to play. I probably won't switch but its really tempting for me to just buildstack and heirloom a bec and pike and easymode. Its just pretty lame that the bec is obviously the best weapon out there for polearms and if you use anything else, you'll be gimped.
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imo bec is meh. I hate it and can't stand using it. bec users are easy kills for me.
"but goretooth uses a bec"
And? Oh man how he would be better without it...
Sorry if I don't see the issue with the bec. Maybe it could lose a point or so in damage? Didn't the heirlooms all receive a nerf already?
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imo bec is meh. I hate it and can't stand using it. bec users are easy kills for me.
"but goretooth uses a bec"
And? Oh man how he would be better without it...
Sorry if I don't see the issue with the bec. Maybe it could lose a point or so in damage? Didn't the heirlooms all receive a nerf already?
90% of crpg players are easy kills, its the ones that block that i have a problem with. Bec users have speed, damage, and polearm stun. One hit and you're pretty much finished. Meanwhile all the other polearms are nerfed in some way and cannot match the bec's DPS.
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90% of crpg players are easy kills, its the ones that block that i have a problem with. Bec users have speed, damage, and polearm stun. One hit and you're pretty much finished. Meanwhile all the other polearms are nerfed in some way and cannot match the bec's DPS.
Becs have damage, and all poles have stun.
they don't have speed or length.
That is why I said they are easy kills for me. When I judge a weapon, it is assumed that player skill is static and even.
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Not only is bec a low damage weapon is also has that polearm slow ass sideswing which looks more like bear repeling. It is also one of the shortest polearms, has no bonus quialities like knocking down or bashing shields yet costs a lot. I don't see why you'd want to use one.
Only usefull atack it used to have (i rerolled a 2h after the patch so i don't know for sure if it applies to present situation) is the overhead.
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I am seeing a lot of poleaxes recently, but I don't think it's that much of a problem. I think polearms are pretty interesting, since almost everything got nerfed anyways.
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Bec is a good weapon, but it's not op compared to other polearms.
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I always go with style, Min/Maxing is for lamers.
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Alright well i guess my experience is wrong. I also hear there was an Heirloom nerf so maybe the bec's heirloom recieved a nerf, so i can start whoring a bec as well.
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Polearms were nerfed at all this patch???? Wut?
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They were given an animation which was then removed, some damages were changed, things made Unbalanced, and a lot of reductions to base speed, pretty much across the board (even Iron Staff was reduced by 2 default).
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They were given an animation which was then removed, some damages were changed, things made Unbalanced, and a lot of reductions to base speed, pretty much across the board (even Iron Staff was reduced by 2 default).
Like 2h, crossbows and 1h... besides polearms still got away better.
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personally i haven't noticed people who are good at two hander be less good in any way. I haven't noticed my score change in any way. I think not a lot has changed after patch but i have yet to play as 2H. I still get killed by good shielders, 2H, and polearms.
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kind of offtopic (I dont even know the items you are listing) but I now understand whats happening:
Players try to find the most OP weapons,
players buy this weapon,
players loom this weapon,
devs note an increased usage of this weapon,
devs check out the stats of this weapon,
devs consider it OP,
devs nerf it
???
profit
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You have an interesting definition of profit. :lol:
Otherwise yeah, that's basically what happens.
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Great long Axe, cough cough.
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28/20 Long Hafted Blade
33/26 Bec de Corbin
29/23 English Bill
30/23 Long War Axe
30/23 Poleaxe
28/21 Glaive
31/25 Great Long Axe
I have a weapon "awesomeness" calculator. I have spent many hours slaving over this excel document, with the challenge accepted attitude, towards finding a definitive way to mathematically calculate how good a weapon is using every single attribute on the weapon.
The first number is against the average leather opponent, the second chainmail. Like this: Leather/Chain. This is a small excerpt of the results because I don't like sharing. I want every cheap advantage possible.
Call my data impossible to obtain if you want. I am quite confident in the results. I obsess with using math to solve unusual things.
Anywho, the Bec de Corbin is the best polearm, and the only way I can back it up is with these numbers.
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Slightly related: The devs have done a good job of balancing weapons since the mod started. Each time I update my numbers I see CRPG weapons becoming more balanced. Polearms used to be way fucked up now they are on par with each other and with 2 handers after that .220 patch
The many hours that went into my weapon calculator was to find the most OP weapon and use it. I was disappointed to find that there are PLENTY of weapons that are under powered and only a few actually OP in the slightest.
Somewhat related: The 1 hander version of the bec de corbon has knockdown and yet the full size bec does not? WTF. ( i refer to war hammer)
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Somewhat related: The 1 hander version of the bec de corbon has knockdown and yet the full size bec does not? WTF. ( i refer to war hammer)
Bec is more like triple-pick than hammer.
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Somewhat related: The 1 hander version of the bec de corbon has knockdown and yet the full size bec does not? WTF. ( i refer to war hammer)
Because the war hammer use the blunt hammer-end of the weapon and the Bec does not. It uses the crow's beak, which essentially is a hardened, double-edged knife.
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kind of offtopic (I dont even know the items you are listing) but I now understand whats happening:
Players try to find the most OP weapons,
players buy this weapon,
players loom this weapon,
devs note an increased usage of this weapon,
devs check out the stats of this weapon,
devs consider it OP,
devs nerf it
???
profit
Pfft i chose the Great Long Axe because it was fun and my long war axe was only slightly weaker. Now its pretty much impossible to duel with it unless i'm an agi build but i still have fun with it, its not gimped to the point of uselessness.
Its the speed that makes it shit in duels, it was already easy to block before the nerf but now its ridicuous to duel with it as a str build. Becs are just so easy to use and requires no innate specialization with the weapon, anyone who knows how to swing or block can top the scoreboard with that weapon.
However, i do love the nerf for the Great Long Axe. In a perverse manner, i enjoy the slow ass swing of the axe now, because people don't expect me to be able to time my swing and hit them just as they release ther block/attack. People still complain i swing too fast even though i'm 27/12 and wearing a Cuir Bouili.
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Well as a GLA user i felt sad about the nerf.
But considering i am 18str-21 agi build,i use mighty GLA and i used to be able to spam even 1handers...
I think yes it was damn OP ! An axe shouldn't be that fast.
To Bec de Corbin:
I traded my Mighty GLA with MW Bec de Corbin yesterday.
Damage is similar to Mighty GLA
It's swing reach is shorter than 120cm.
It doesn't break shields
It looks ridiculous
Yes it is spammable and easy mode weapon .
But who gives a shit about scores it looks terrible !
So i traded my MW Bec to Mighty GLA again today ! (Yes im lucky these days !)
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kind of offtopic (I dont even know the items you are listing) but I now understand whats happening:
Players try to find the most OP weapons,
players buy this weapon,
players loom this weapon,
devs note an increased usage of this weapon,
devs check out the stats of this weapon,
devs consider it OP,
devs nerf it
???
profit
eh this time I went for barbarian style(my fave from native single player is great long axe(which is a polearm with 2h secondary mode in single player) so I loomed great axe, katana, miadao(its like big katana fits with the clan theme of non western or barbaric weapons)(I've had katana loomed since beginning of mod, I had bar mace also as my other loom but it was removed really as an anti-shield weapon so great axe is like my "great long axe" fill in anti-shield(almost did sarranid battle axe but I saw homey d clown had masterworked one already-heh)
and I had originally had flamberge heirloomed, but then first round of nerfs went to danish greatsword, then moved to miadao because I saw so many greatswords had gotten heirloomed this time around and was never a lolstabber myself(almost did dadao, was a hard choice but went for the high upkeep)
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I perfectly remember a totally different, pre january bec de corbin.
All the polearms now seem like shit compared to it xD
Bec de Corbin is awesome, yet far away from OP!
@chadz....thats the way it is...and thx for the upsets u guys created for all the highland claymore users xD
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A nerf to bec has been long over due. I really look forward to it. Just get rid of the stun please that is all I ask. You can even put more damage on it... The stun is what needs to go.
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A nerf to bec has been long over due. I really look forward to it. Just get rid of the stun please that is all I ask. You can even put more damage on it... The stun is what needs to go.
Can't. It is a pole arm and all pole arms have the same pole stun and it is hardcoded.
when WSE is implemented that can be changed.
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The short length of the bec is its biggest weakness a player who has a basic knoledge of footwork and a long weapon can easily out manouver a bec de corbine and keep them at range.
I chose the poleaxe pre patch as ot looks cool, wasnt used by many people had good reach and bonus against shield. Now Glaive is similar price the two are much better balanced.
Bec isnt OP though, its abilities arent game breaking and its fairly easy to beat unless ur 1h no shield.
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kind of offtopic (I dont even know the items you are listing) but I now understand whats happening:
Players try to find the most OP weapons,
players buy this weapon,
players loom this weapon,
devs note an increased usage of this weapon,
devs check out the stats of this weapon,
devs consider it OP,
devs nerf it
???
There is South Park in europe?
profit