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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Arathian on February 13, 2013, 12:59:07 am
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Simple question, really, is it allowed?
I know in the past it wasn't, and I never saw it changing, so what gives?
I would really appreciate an answer from an admin. Having a debate with a guy on on NA3 about it.
edit: I obviously don't mean changing to similar weapons, like from longsword to scimitar, but eg, changing from sword to bow or from sword to maul.
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IMO I think that it is fine. Keeps you on your toes. If you can defeat somebody by switching weapons mid-duel when they were acostomed to fighting the other one, then more power to you.
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This is the rule as written: All types of duels are allowed (ranged, mounted, shield, heavy armor...) if both duelists agree.
I do find personnaly that it could use an example to be more clear. :)
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This is the rule as written: All types of duels are allowed (ranged, mounted, shield, heavy armor...) if both duelists agree.
I do find personnaly that it could use an example to be more clear. :)
In the wiki (remember where I saw it) it clearly wrote that changing weapons was not allowed.
Is that still valid?
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http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/official-server-rules/
- All types of duels are allowed (ranged, mounted, shield, heavy armor...) if both duelists agree
- No following or face-hugging the other duelist before the duel countdown has ran out - either hold your starting position or back-pedal if you want some distance between you and your opponent
- No running away or going into unreachable places
I don't see it there so I guess it's okay now. Just don't duel guys who's style you don't like. I don't duel guys who I know will have infinite back pedal syndrome or if they start throwing ninja stars at me (while back pedaling all the time). Usually people don't chat every time they start a duel with new guy. Imo by accepting the duel you accept the possibility of them being cav, throwing something at you etc...
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http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/official-server-rules/
I don't see it there so I guess it's okay now. Just don't duel guys who's style you don't like. I don't duel guys who I know will have infinite back pedal syndrome or if they start throwing ninja stars at me (while back pedaling all the time). Usually people don't chat every time they start a duel with new guy. Imo by accepting the duel you accept the possibility of them being cav, throwing something at you etc...
What if you specifically ask someone not to use a weapon (say, a bow), they say yes and when the duel starts, they do it anyway?
Does that infringe the first rule?
edit: in fact, doesn't changing weapons mid-duel violate rule one? You don't agree to fight an archer, you agree to fight with what he has on his hands, ie, a 2hander
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What if you specifically ask someone not to use a weapon (say, a bow), they say yes and when the duel starts, they do it anyway?
Does that infringe the first rule?
Uhm yes? However does it warrant a ban? Not really in my opinion. Sorry I don't take dueling that seriously, I just move to next duel and forget about the guys who don't play like agreed to. They will run out of people to duel if they keep being douchebags.
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Uhm yes? However does it warrant a ban? Not really in my opinion. Sorry I don't take dueling that seriously, I just move to next duel and forget about the guys who don't play like agreed to. They will run out of people to duel if they keep being douchebags.
Thanks for the answer.
And yes, one or two offences shouldn't be bannable, but repeated guys should at least get a warning ban imo.
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This is the rule as written: All types of duels are allowed (ranged, mounted, shield, heavy armor...) if both duelists agree.
You agree to fight against a longsword, not a maul or throwing stuff. Changing weapons after duel request accepted is violation of this rule. Atleast thats what i understand from it.
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You agree to fight against a longsword, not a maul or throwing stuff. Changing weapons after duel request accepted is violation of this rule. Atleast thats what i understand from it.
Pretty much my point.
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IIRC, the rule was, that you couldn't switch to a weapon that wasn't visible or wasn't on you - for example, pulling out throwing axes out of your ass, or picking something off the ground. Switching to a crossbow/bow/javelin that is on your back is... fine, i guess.
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Hero QQ?
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Walk around with practice sword in tincan armor, starts a duel, takes out my MW Flamberge, seeing how the other player reacts, priceless.
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Walk around with practice sword in tincan armor, starts a duel, takes out my MW Flamberge, seeing how the other player reacts, priceless.
Flamberge is sheatable in duel ? :(
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Flamberge is sheatable in duel ? :(
even my lovely pike is :D
fight with pike, draw rondell dagger, draw pike again
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Flamberge is sheatable in duel ? :(
Yes :D
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For me it depends.
If he uses a 2h sword and switches to another 2h sword I am fine with it. If he uses a polearm and switches to a different polearm I am fine with it as well.
What I dont like is when he pulls out a bow/crossbow/throwing weapon when he had shown me a meele weapon before!
Don't know if this is a rule or not tho. but for me there is no freakin' point in dueling if we agree on meele (obviously to train our meele skills) and he pulls out a range weapon and all I am praciticing are my running and dodging skills. If I wanted to practice those I would just join EU 1 for a couple of minutes, not the duel server.
cheers
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Who cares? I'm guessing you only care because you don't want to lose points. Duelling is for practice and not for e-peen.
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The reason why Arathian started this thread was because I accepted a duel with him when he had a great maul out. I saw a great maul laying around the ground so I picked it up before the duel counting was finished, so we ended up both having a great maul, and then I destroyed him. Then I picked up my sword again, he start a new duel with me, I pick the great maul back again so we both have a great maul and killed him again. He complain I can't switch weapon mid-duel because it's against the rules and I tell him I don't see anywhere in the rules I can't do this.
Considering it was me using the SAME weapon as him during that duel (meaning that the first rule WAS obeyed) I really don't think I was wrong to do it. Also the fact I did it before the count was done, meaning that he was more than ready for it, only shows he's raging I got him at his own game since fighting people with a great maul can't really be considered a normal duel.
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Close thread.
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Unless you're showing the person your weapons in the duel it's not valid, if you'll be using a crossbow have it equipped or I'll call bullshit on you.
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No following or face-hugging the other duelist before the duel countdown has ran out - either hold your starting position or back-pedal if you want some distance between you and your opponent
As a Hoplite, I wish I could write this on my shield. You longsword spammers make the start of the duel very annoying when face hugging and already spamming swings until they start connecting with my shield. Then they wonder why polearms have to be creative and do things like jump stabs or wiggling the attack into you before you can hilt slash.
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Imo there shouldn't be a rule about that at all. If that happens and you can't live with the outcome, dont duel that guy again. Write down their names and ignore them the next time if you cannot live with the shame of losing some duels...
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Imo there shouldn't be a rule about that at all. If that happens and you can't live with the outcome, dont duel that guy again. Write down their names and ignore them the next time if you cannot live with the shame of losing some duels...
It doesn't workt that way. The only reason why you can get reasonable duels against random people in the duel server nowadays is because those rules were enforced in the past. It is what spread the so called "duel sportsmanship" throughout the masses.
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Umm yeah. How many times is there actual talk over acceptable weapon usage before challenging or accepting a duel? Almost never that I've seen. That is the only time there is an "agreement".
This idea of only being able to use the weapon in your hand at the time of acceptance is just rules lawyering by sore losers. Hybrids aren't supposed to use their playstyle? Throwers can't put away their darts and pull out a sword when you get close? Cavalry can't drop their lance and pull out a shield and sword when dehorsed?
Crazy. Just take away the whole points thing in duel. From the number of threads posted regarding the duel server lately, it appears obvious that they are causing more issues than they are being a boon to the mode.
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Umm yeah. How many times is there actual talk over acceptable weapon usage before challenging or accepting a duel? Almost never that I've seen. That is the only time there is an "agreement".
This idea of only being able to use the weapon in your hand at the time of acceptance is just rules lawyering by sore losers. Hybrids aren't supposed to use their playstyle? Throwers can't put away their darts and pull out a sword when you get close? Cavalry can't drop their lance and pull out a shield and sword when dehorsed?
Crazy. Just take away the whole points thing in duel. From the number of threads posted regarding the duel server lately, it appears obvious that they are causing more issues than they are being a boon to the mode.
IIRC, the rule was, that you couldn't switch to a weapon that wasn't visible or wasn't on you - for example, pulling out throwing axes out of your ass, or picking something off the ground. Switching to a crossbow/bow/javelin that is on your back is... fine, i guess.
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Usually, when somebody does something I don't like while duelling, I finish the duel normally then I ask that next time we duel, my opponent has to respect some rule (usually the not facehugging at duel start thing). If the person disagrees or does it anyway in the next duel, I stop duelling that person. This seems reasonable to me.
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The reason why Arathian started this thread was because I accepted a duel with him when he had a great maul out. I saw a great maul laying around the ground so I picked it up before the duel counting was finished, so we ended up both having a great maul, and then I destroyed him. Then I picked up my sword again, he start a new duel with me, I pick the great maul back again so we both have a great maul and killed him again. He complain I can't switch weapon mid-duel because it's against the rules and I tell him I don't see anywhere in the rules I can't do this.
Actually, I killed you the 2nd time. I still said you aren't allowed to do that, and apparently I was (semi) right.
You didn't have a maul on your back the whole time, you simply run off (I chased you for a bit) to pick up a maul and then turned to attack. That is pure BS.
Considering it was me using the SAME weapon as him during that duel (meaning that the first rule WAS obeyed) I really don't think I was wrong to do it. Also the fact I did it before the count was done, meaning that he was more than ready for it, only shows he's raging I got him at his own game since fighting people with a great maul can't really be considered a normal duel.
You didn't use THE SAME WEAPON. I dueled you accepting a duel with a longsword, you run off to pick a maul.
And since when are mauls not normal duels? You idiot have no bloody clue how hard it is to duel with a maul. Go ahead and try it and see if you can get past 1600 points. But no, the only TRUE duel is being a 2h warrior with a warmask, everything else is for "noobs".
Edit: to be clear why I have a problem dueling with mauls while being a maul myself: when somebody reaches to me with an overhead and have more than 3 athletics (ie, most of people) it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to backtrack out of it. Essentially, you can just maul me to death with overheads and there is nothing I can do about it. The same is not true for you as any person with 4 athletics or more than very easily backpeddal out of overhead range simply due to me having 1 athletics. That is why I simply refuse maul duels. I have every right to. Dicking me over then trying to play it "superior" is pathetic. I duel mauls with my (1h) alt whenever I can, I don't have a problem. I simply don't do impossible duels.
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Sportmanship on the internet need intensive monitoring by admin :P
Would say let people be douchebags and play the game
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In the wiki (remember where I saw it) it clearly wrote that changing weapons was not allowed.
Is that still valid?
Old rule from the ATS servers, before the officials.
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IMO, whatever weapon have in your hand is what you use. Especially if you are saluting with it. If you are going to switch weapons mid duel, you should cycle through them to show your opponent.
Under no circumstance should you be the guy that signals for a duel with a 2h weapon and as soon as the other guy accepts pick up the +3 arbalest with a bolt loaded in it and shotgun the guy. The only exception I could see with this is if you are fucking around with a friend of yours and you are talking together on vent/ts. Have had that happen a few times. Dueling friend, he pulls out a throwing lance and all your hear on ts is OH SHIT OH SHIT.
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Old rule from the ATS servers, before the officials.
Official server also had the rule. It got removed after a poll in the admin section. At least for EU. To all the people complaining about this: Just don't duel people who don't play within whatever your limited definition of "fair" is, it's not hard, just don't press F.
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Actually, I killed you the 2nd time. I still said you aren't allowed to do that, and apparently I was (semi) right.
I think you killed me the third time we fought using great maul but anyway, I still don't think your were right about it. When we started the duel we, in a way, both agree to use melee and great mauls. The fact I picked a great maul at the last seconds before the start of the duels isn't against the rules, since you were already using one and it is melee. You can't decide that only one side can use a particular weapon like the great maul. I also don't consider me picking a weapon from the ground in 2 of the 3 seconds of the countdown as you chasing me around.
Also, I never said that great maul was easy, like you seemed to have taken it, but that any weapon using crush-through is NOT a normal weapon thus making any duel with a weapon like that different from normal duel, no need to be so aggressive about it. Heck you even explained why in your post that a duel with it isn't normal.
I have yet to understand why not switching to a different MELEE weapon matter that much in a random, unimportant duel. I could understand if I randomly decided to switch to throwing and killed you, but I used the very same weapon as you almost at the beginning of the duel. Also if I remember correctly, you started one of the duel with a great maul, dropped it to pick a longsword when you realised I was using a sword of war and dropped it back again to pick the great maul when I picked my own great maul because I thought you were going to use the great maul again. So in a way the second duel was more a confusion than anything else.
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