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Title: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 08, 2013, 05:44:23 pm: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/07/16888732-women-shot-by-cops-were-just-delivering-papers
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57568191-504083/christopher-dorner-manhunt-police-reportedly-shoot-two-people-in-hunt-for-suspected-killer-ex-cop/

The cops are looking for a large black man (who was at the time) suspected of driving his Gray Nissan Titan. Police shot up a blue Toyota Tacoma with 2 hispanic women inside (one in her 70s, and her daughter in her 40s) when they were delivering newspapers to the neighborhood in which police had set up a protective area to guard a high priority target.

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Then 30 minutes later a couple blocks away they shot up a black Honda Ridgeline driven by a white man.

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The first two women have lawyered up and the lawyer said about the incident : "There was no warning. There were no orders. No commands. Just gunshots."
I've re-created the events and it too place like this to the best of my knowledge:

*BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG* - *BANG*

LAPD - "Freeze! Put your hands up and slowly exit the vehicle"
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 08, 2013, 05:50:47 pm: Def an abuse of power, ban he!
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 08, 2013, 05:53:40 pm: They found his truck burned out and think they are tracking his foot prints. Also his truck was reported to have a topper over the truck bed on it, neither of these trucks did (obviously). Looks like they don't plan on trying to take this guy alive.

"Subject has pants, repeat, SUBJECT. HAS. PANTS."

If you're in the LA area and wearing pants, I'd probably stay in your house for a couple days.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Oberyn on February 08, 2013, 05:55:21 pm: It's not just some random "large black man", it's an ex-police officer on a crusade. LAPD is known as particularly corrupt, and they have this almost ganglike or military approach to anything that could be a threat to their lives. Copkillers and the like are hunted down like animals, dead being a more acceptable goal than captured. I'm not surprised they're going on a paranoid rampage over it. This guy is a fucking lunatic, who killed an officer's entire family already.

Link to the fugitive murderer's manifesto:

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/christopher_dorners_manifesto_in_fu.php
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 08, 2013, 05:59:52 pm: Yeah I'm certainly not justifying the guys stance they are looking for and how he's going about with his retribution. That being said, I don't doubt for a minute what he said about the corruption and being retaliated for being a whistleblower isn't true.

Just thought it was crazy how they're shooting up pickups that aren't even the same color or make/model as the suspect's vehicle. The media was actually asking people not to go out if they owned a pickup last night. :shock:

Now that he's on foot are they going to start shooting anyone they come across who's a pedestrian?
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 08, 2013, 06:14:28 pm: Read the whole story- are LA cops really thát dirty?
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Post by: Kafein on February 08, 2013, 07:23:40 pm: Imagine the shitstorm if any of these people died. Like when white kids go missing.
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Post by: Tagora on February 08, 2013, 07:29:15 pm: Quote from: Kafein on February 08, 2013, 07:23:40 pm
Imagine the shitstorm if any of these people died. Like when white kids go missing.

Or when Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

Oh yeah, and since this is near where I live, I'm somewhat paranoid about going on my usual hikes. I imagine this dayz scenario with this sasquatch black man who's avoiding the public. Not sure if I should go to the country this weekend.

me <- dandy
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Kafein on February 08, 2013, 07:30:07 pm: Quote from: Tagora on February 08, 2013, 07:29:15 pm
Or when Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

who?

Is he NA ?
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 08, 2013, 07:32:11 pm: Quote from: Kafein on February 08, 2013, 07:23:40 pm
Imagine the shitstorm if any of these people died. Like when white kids go missing.

Even if they did, the cops would likely get a slap on the wrist and a 2 week paid vacation. Probably even given a medal.

Can you imagine if any one of us had credible death threats on our and our families lives, and we just started shooting up vehicles that loosely match the description if they come rolling by your house? We'd be thrown in jail for the rest of our lives.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: okiN on February 08, 2013, 07:32:59 pm: Fucking American cops, man, I just can't believe they let these lunatics run around with loaded guns and a license to kill. Every time they fuck up they're just allowed to get away with murder.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 08, 2013, 07:37:11 pm: Quote from: Kafein on February 08, 2013, 07:30:07 pm
who?

Is he NA ?
That black kid who was shot in Florida by some guy who was afraid of the kid who I'm pretty sure never even got any real punishment besides black people hating him for it.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Rumblood on February 08, 2013, 10:01:55 pm: Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 08, 2013, 07:37:11 pm
That black kid who was shot in Florida by some guy who was afraid of the kid who I'm pretty sure never even got any real punishment besides black people hating him for it.

It is still ongoing. To forgo the usual assumptions, I'm an Acadian (Cajun)/Cherokee/English/German/Haitian (yes, African Haitian)/Sioux mix, so racially I'm not on either "side" here.
George Zimmerman stalked him through the neighborhood and should not have confronted him. He was in the wrong for sure. If he hadn't done what he did, Trayvon would still be alive and he wouldn't be on trial.
But Zimmerman was also a victim himself of edited media and the prosecutor withholding evidence that supported his side of the story.
NBC edited and aired its version of the 911 call to make it sound like racial profiling, when if you listen to the unedited version it is not like that.
The prosecutors withheld a photo showing a bloody Zimmerman with a clearly broken nose for almost 9 months while the media frenzy was stirred and public opinion was highly biased against Zimmerman. Prior to that (for 9 months), you only saw photos of an un-injured Zimmerman.
He may still have been "hated", but it was the media and prosecutors "story" that stirred up a vast amount of that hatred through a manipulation of the facts to create a bias against Zimmerman.

Just sayin.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 08, 2013, 10:09:53 pm: The stand your ground laws are retarded. You can't initiate a confrontation and then when the person feels threatened and goes to defend themselves against you, pull out a gun and kill them. Especially in the Trayvon Martin case. The police specifically told Zimmerman to not confront the person and let actual law enforcement handle it.

I think that legally that exact situation I described is covered in "stand your ground". You can approach someone on the street, becoming aggressive and hostile, if they try to push you out of their face you are now legally authorized to protect yourself with deadly force. How fucked up is that? Pick a fight and then claim you're defending yourself...
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 08, 2013, 10:13:16 pm: I personally stopped following that shit ages ago, just told Kafein who he was.
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 08, 2013, 10:17:28 pm: 'merica ?

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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 08, 2013, 10:23:23 pm: Quote from: no_rules_just_play on February 08, 2013, 10:17:28 pm
'merica ?
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Whatever Germ, go start cutting yourself over WW2 and outlawing cute puppies and shit.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Miwiw on February 08, 2013, 10:24:44 pm: But you do not seem to know, no_rules is not german?
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 08, 2013, 10:26:13 pm: Quote from: Miwiw99 on February 08, 2013, 10:24:44 pm
But you do not seem to know, no_rules is not german?
he doesnt care :)
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 08, 2013, 10:27:16 pm: Quote from: Miwiw99 on February 08, 2013, 10:24:44 pm
But you do not seem to know, no_rules is not german?
Yeah... but... ...eh... I was talking... ...to you! Totally...
Also, all HRE are honorary Germs or normal Germs.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Wiltzu on February 09, 2013, 10:08:10 am: 'murica...
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Vovka on February 11, 2013, 08:21:51 am: In Russia 70s yers old womens pew pew pew police cars :lol:
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tibe on February 11, 2013, 08:52:06 am: This is what you basically get. When the gunlaws allow people to walk out of the store with a an armory. You basically get criminals and organised crime soldiers that are basically as well armed as the Police tactical teams. Than you got cops who are always on the edge. Why the fuck are civilians allowed to buy assault rifles? Retardoland completely. Might aswell leagalize meth, cause thats equally absurd.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 11, 2013, 08:59:56 am: oh noes, its fucking dangerous here. burglars bring guns when they break into your house.

solution: MOAR GUNS

murica

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ask any european if they ever needed a gun as protection
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Kafein on February 11, 2013, 09:05:38 am: I would be scared shitless if say I was in a bank during a robbery, knowing other customers might have a gun and be extremely stupid.
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Post by: Tagora on February 11, 2013, 12:03:53 pm
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Kafein on February 11, 2013, 01:57:03 pm: Quote from: Tagora on February 11, 2013, 12:03:53 pm

Wait, I've seen some other videos. Is this guy the equivalent of screamo "news" ?

Also
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 11, 2013, 02:08:00 pm: Quote from: TiberiusX on February 11, 2013, 08:52:06 am
This is what you basically get. When the gunlaws allow people to walk out of the store with a an armory. You basically get criminals and organised crime soldiers that are basically as well armed as the Police tactical teams. Than you got cops who are always on the edge. Why the fuck are civilians allowed to buy assault rifles? Retardoland completely. Might aswell leagalize meth, cause thats equally absurd.
I was gonna -1 you until I read your comparison, I'm for the legalization of meth.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tibe on February 11, 2013, 02:34:10 pm: Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 11, 2013, 02:08:00 pm
I was gonna -1 you until I read your comparison, I'm for the legalization of meth.

Why do normal people need assault rifles?
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: SixThumbs on February 11, 2013, 02:54:41 pm: Although I haven't really taken a solid stance and I don't own any firearms, why not? That is taking into consideration they are normal. I think more of an issue is what sort of upbringing and culture promotes school shootings and murderous rampages.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Miwiw on February 11, 2013, 02:56:28 pm: Quote from: no_rules_just_play on February 11, 2013, 08:59:56 am
ask any western european if they ever needed a gun as protection

Fixed. Cant be sure about the rest. :D
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 11, 2013, 03:02:52 pm: its funny, when you go on the internet and especially youtube, you see those american gun lovers reacting on gun propaganda and believing everything that is said, while every clear thinking person can see what kind of biased bullshit those people are saying. people that use valid arguments are just plants for them
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: SixThumbs on February 11, 2013, 03:06:08 pm: Well, after seeing those pictures in the first post if you're going to ban firearms then take them away from the police too.
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Post by: [ptx] on February 11, 2013, 03:08:07 pm: Quote from: Miwiw99 on February 11, 2013, 02:56:28 pm
Quote from: no_rules_just_play on February 11, 2013, 08:59:56 am
ask any european if they ever needed a gun as protection
Fixed. Cant be sure about the rest. :D
Re-fixed, it is the same.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tibe on February 11, 2013, 03:19:54 pm: Quote from: SixThumbs on February 11, 2013, 03:06:08 pm
Well, after seeing those pictures in the first post if you're going to ban firearms then take them away from the police too.

Well you see there is the problem. The police are provoked in USA by the fact that they know that alot of people own serius hardware. In most countries the police doesnt have to worry while driving trough a neibhourhood or arresting someone that they will get shot by a shotgun or assault rifle. In normal countries(not USA) police can quietly come near criminals, do mybe one selfdefence move if necessary and thats the main story of the month in the whole policedepartment. I think even you would be on the edge in 'murica as a cop if you knew that every person can have an entire armory in their disposal.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: SixThumbs on February 11, 2013, 03:36:49 pm: Like I said, I have no vested interest in firearms and I live in a relatively safe area of the U.S. (although not far from the Newtown incident) but who are they going to elect to confiscate all these firearms that people use more or less responsibly? Who are you going to send into the ghettos to take these weapons and what about the unregistered ones floating around? What about the ~100,000 guns we "lost" to cartels in Mexico? Do we need to disarm Norway for the shooting that happened last year at a youth rally?

Disarming the population could possibly curb gun violence but I think I'd prefer getting shot to stabbed or bludgeoned to death.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tibe on February 11, 2013, 03:47:57 pm: I know. Im just pointing out the facts. Ofcourse the goverment is scared and even quite helpless to disarm the civilians. All im saying is that they should admit that its a problem, enlighten people. But instead they let these gunmakertycoons brainwash the population into buying more guns. And Norway is relatively disarmed. Guns do way more damage than stabbing or bludgeoning. There are no innocent bystanders for one thing, cause when you stab someone you normally stab the guy you wanted to stab.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: SixThumbs on February 11, 2013, 03:55:35 pm: I didn't see any facts pointed out to be fair. People don't wander the streets with "serious hardware" or point them at a passerby on the street and if they were intelligent they would lock them up away from the nutbag children they did or didn't raise.

Also, the police are "provoked" by the smallest indication of sleight against their authority.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tibe on February 11, 2013, 04:23:15 pm: Quote from: SixThumbs on February 11, 2013, 03:55:35 pm
.....
Also, the police are "provoked" by the smallest indication of sleight against their authority.
......

Isnt that same everywere? But istantly getting peppersprayed, tased or or getting a gun aimed at for it doesnt happen in many civilized places. Im not speaking about the nutbag children. Its adults. Its scary. People do get depressed alot and its bad if a common nutbag can easly get a weapon that could clear a room. People walking around the streets with serius hardware is not really what I ment by it. The fact that every person could easly own such a killing machine alone is frightening. Its like if countries you never knew that even exsisted owned nuclear bombs. Even if internationally they were allowed to own one. What if one of those countries snapped? Same with gun ownership, just scale and damage is smaller. Dont get me wrong. Id understand why a person whould need lets say a huntingrifle or handgun. Why would anybody need an assault rifle, is beond me.

Id prefer to get nuked instead of stabbed, bludgeoned or shot to death. Lots quicker and painless. Why dont we just give every person their individual mininuke. See my point?
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tagora on February 11, 2013, 04:48:32 pm: Quote from: TiberiusX on February 11, 2013, 04:23:15 pm

Id prefer to get nuked instead of stabbed, bludgeoned or shot to death. Lots quicker and painless. Why dont we just give every person their individual mininuke. See my point?
I ain't givin' up my nukes.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 11, 2013, 05:44:38 pm: this just in, the guy from the original story (Christopher Dorner) is the first American on US soil to be confirmed as a target for drone strike: http://m.now.msn.com/christopher-dorner-is-first-drone-target-on-us-soil

I can't express how angry this makes me...but I can't say I'm surprised. I've seen this coming for over 10 years.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: [ptx] on February 11, 2013, 05:50:21 pm: Drone target, not drone strike, means it might just be a surveillance drone used to track him, right?
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 11, 2013, 06:29:24 pm: Quote from: [ptx] on February 11, 2013, 05:50:21 pm
Drone target, not drone strike, means it might just be a surveillance drone used to track him, right?

yeah but how do you surrender to a drone? of course there's no issues with using drones for surveillance, why would they even need to mention that? we also use satellites for surveillance too
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Anal Bleeding on February 11, 2013, 06:38:53 pm: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-man-carries-assault-rifle-penney-article-1.1242834 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-man-carries-assault-rifle-penney-article-1.1242834)
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tibe on February 11, 2013, 07:32:26 pm
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Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 11, 2013, 11:34:08 pm: Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on February 11, 2013, 06:29:24 pm
yeah but how do you surrender to a drone? of course there's no issues with using drones for surveillance, why would they even need to mention that? we also use satellites for surveillance too
There is an issue with using drones for surveillance, there is an issue with surveillance in general, the fuck happened to privacy?
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Kafein on February 12, 2013, 12:24:03 am: Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 11, 2013, 11:34:08 pm
There is an issue with using drones for surveillance, there is an issue with surveillance in general, the fuck happened to privacy?

I can't really think of any privacy-related issues with finding people in the forest at night via infrared cameras etc.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Gmnotutoo on February 12, 2013, 06:26:00 am: :( I live in the city where those Cops went on the rampages. They shot and wounded two separate women that were driving a similar vehicle as the giant ex army dude. Helicopters and cops were everywhere that whole day.

Shitcurity.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Overdriven on February 12, 2013, 07:09:20 am: Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 11, 2013, 11:34:08 pm
There is an issue with using drones for surveillance, there is an issue with surveillance in general, the fuck happened to privacy?

Most police helicopters that work at night are armed with infra-red cameras to pick out targets. Watch any police chase type show and they usually have a section with one of those. Equally they use them in areas of high vegetation. What difference does it make if it's a helicopter with cameras or a drone with cameras? It's not as if they are using them to spy into your bedroom window on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Christo on February 12, 2013, 10:33:32 am: Are LA cops colorblind?
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Post by: Kafein on February 12, 2013, 11:12:22 am: Quote from: Christo on February 12, 2013, 10:33:32 am
Are LA cops colorblind?

I doubt you can join the police if you are colorblind.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Wiltzu on February 12, 2013, 11:58:46 am: Quote from: Kafein on February 12, 2013, 11:12:22 am
I doubt you can join the police if you are colorblind.

It's 'Murica
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Post by: Angantyr on February 12, 2013, 03:08:31 pm: This case is highly interesting. From what I can read the values of a man of integrity crashing with the deep corruption, lying and racism of the LA police department, destroying him in the process. Western vigilantism and Cop Land/Blue Line references abound.

His manifesto (http://www.eurweb.com/2013/02/read-the-full-christopher-dorner-manifesto/)

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From 2/05 to 1/09 I saw some of the most vile things humans can inflict on others as a police officer in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, it wasn’t in the streets of LA. It was in the confounds of LAPD police stations and shops (cruisers). The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it’s the police officers.

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This department has not changed from the Daryl Gates and Mark Fuhrman days. Those officers are still employed and have all promoted to Command staff and supervisory positions. I will correct this error. Are you aware that an officer (a rookie/probationer at the time) seen on the Rodney King videotape striking Mr. King multiple times with a baton on 3/3/91 is still employed by the LAPD and is now a Captain on the police department? Captain Rolando Solano is now the commanding officer of a LAPD police station (West LA division). As a commanding officer, he is now responsible for over 200 officers. Do you trust him to enforce department policy and investigate use of force investigations on arrestees by his officers? Are you aware Evans has since promoted to Sergeant after kicking Mr. Gettler in the face. Oh, you Violated a citizens civil rights? We will promote you. Same as LAPD did with the the officers from Metro involved in the May Day melee at MacArthur Park. They promoted them to Sergeant (a supervisor role).
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tagora on February 12, 2013, 04:11:34 pm: American brinkmanship has no counterpart in other parts of the world! Nope! Not at all.
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Post by: Angantyr on February 12, 2013, 04:17:53 pm: Another nice little snippet from the manifesto:

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Anonymous, you are hated, vilified, and considered an enemy to the state. I personally view you as a culture and a necessity that brings truth to a cloaked world. Forge ahead!
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Laufknoten on February 12, 2013, 04:57:02 pm: Quote from: Angantyr on February 12, 2013, 03:08:31 pm
This case is highly interesting. From what I can read the values of a man of integrity crashing with the deep corruption, lying and racism of the LA police department, destroying him in the process. Western vigilantism and Cop Land/Blue Line references abound.

His manifesto (http://www.eurweb.com/2013/02/read-the-full-christopher-dorner-manifesto/)
A cop-killer trying to justify his doings. Well, perhaps they even "destroyed" his life, but it's fact that he literally ended 3 lifes...
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 12, 2013, 06:04:59 pm: Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 11, 2013, 11:34:08 pm
There is an issue with using drones for surveillance, there is an issue with surveillance in general, the fuck happened to privacy?

I'm just saying that we already use satellites and helicopters for police surveillance. I'm not saying I'm okay with it, just saying it's currently accepted. So a drone wouldn't be too much farther of a stretch. The problem is, they can easily fit them with weapons and claim the guy was too dangerous to apprehend and assassinate him. That would be a very big precedent to set, but the White House has already claimed they can legally do that to American citizens on American soil. So we'll see how this plays out...not looking good.
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Post by: Overdriven on February 12, 2013, 06:44:14 pm: Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on February 12, 2013, 06:04:59 pm
I'm just saying that we already use satellites and helicopters for police surveillance. I'm not saying I'm okay with it, just saying it's currently accepted. So a drone wouldn't be too much farther of a stretch. The problem is, they can easily fit them with weapons and claim the guy was too dangerous to apprehend and assassinate him. That would be a very big precedent to set, but the White House has already claimed they can legally do that to American citizens on American soil. So we'll see how this plays out...not looking good.

I suppose that could have ramifications like this one in the UK. They chased this guy onto a tube train and shot him dead. Turned out they'd got the wrong guy anyway. But regardless people were apalled at the prospect of someone being chased down and instantly killed with no trial or whatever and very little evidence to shoot him in the first place:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Knute on February 12, 2013, 11:17:19 pm: There was a shootout and it looks like they might have him surrounded in a cabin:

http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2Kise7tsJ (http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2Kise7tsJ)
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tagora on February 12, 2013, 11:38:03 pm: Quote from: Knute on February 12, 2013, 11:17:19 pm
There was a shootout and it looks like they might have him surrounded in a cabin:

http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2Kise7tsJ (http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2Kise7tsJ)
that live video is buggy as hell for me
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Oberyn on February 13, 2013, 05:21:16 am: So apparently they burned him to death in the cabin. Anyone else surprised they didn't try to catch him alive? Oh wait. Nope, regular LAPD procedure, carry on.
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Post by: Anal Bleeding on February 13, 2013, 05:30:31 am: drone strike blew up the cabin.
with some lunatics its more cost efficient to kill than to arrest and have a trial.
Dorner would have been killed in prison anyway, might as well save money and kill him now.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Christo on February 13, 2013, 06:02:43 am: Quote from: Oberyn on February 13, 2013, 05:21:16 am
So apparently they burned him to death in the cabin. Anyone else surprised they didn't try to catch him alive? Oh wait. Nope, regular LAPD procedure, carry on.

'Merica
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Oberyn on February 13, 2013, 06:53:46 am: Quote from: Anal Bleeding on February 13, 2013, 05:30:31 am
drone strike blew up the cabin.
with some lunatics its more cost efficient to kill than to arrest and have a trial.
Dorner would have been killed in prison anyway, might as well save money and kill him now.

Aka let's skip due process. I totally see no possible repercussions. The only people who have anything to fear are the guilty, amiright? That excuse has never been used to justify extrajudicial killings before.

Don't get me wrong, I get that the law regarding life and death sentences in Cali specifically is slow as molasses and costs an exhorbitant ammount. And this sick bastard would've gotten life probably, so tack on a lifetime in high security prison, quite a bundle. But you can't just circumvent the entire idea of having laws because it's occasionaly pragmatic, or you might as well not have any laws at all. Due process is kind of a big deal, start fucking with it and it opens up a whole world of potential shit.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Anal Bleeding on February 13, 2013, 08:05:37 am: the guy shot a few cops. he would never be taken alive.
better just to end his life.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Miwiw on February 13, 2013, 04:28:11 pm: Quote from: Anal Bleeding on February 13, 2013, 08:05:37 am
the guy shot a few cops. he would never be taken alive.
better just to end his life.

And that is the whole thing being wrong about 'murica and its law...

I just checked the time... 13.02.2013.. OH WAIT!
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Angantyr on February 13, 2013, 05:04:04 pm: Quote from: Oberyn on February 13, 2013, 05:21:16 am
So apparently they burned him to death in the cabin. Anyone else surprised they didn't try to catch him alive? Oh wait. Nope, regular LAPD procedure, carry on.
Commented to my girlfriend yesterday that he would surely never be taken alive. Shameful that the disregard for the civil rights our ancestors fought and died for was so inevitable.

edit:
unless he did it himself as is also claimed.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 13, 2013, 09:54:42 pm: Doubt we'll ever get the truth of what actually happened.

Just like in wars, or claims of self defense, if there's only one side left standing at the end, it's your story that is truth.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 13, 2013, 10:21:29 pm: Quote from: Anal Bleeding on February 13, 2013, 05:30:31 am
drone strike blew up the cabin.
with some lunatics its more cost efficient to kill than to arrest and have a trial.
Dorner would have been killed in prison anyway, might as well save money and kill him now.

A drone is not cost effective when you have 50caliber anti-material rifles or the ability to set cabins on fire. I know it would be really cool to think about drones killing people, but in this case it is a ludicrous waste of resources as well as risking potential public backlash for zero benefit.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 14, 2013, 12:48:33 am: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24WJr4Ye8xY&feature=youtu.be

LEO's burned the house down intentionally. Fuck due process, this is the wild west.

Burners deployed and we have a fire.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
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Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Anal Bleeding on February 14, 2013, 07:54:08 am: that animal needed to be put down.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Oberyn on February 14, 2013, 08:36:11 am: I'm on the "due process is necessary and circumventing it can only lead to abuse" camp, that being said the number of people painting him as a martyr are fucking stupid and I hope their families get killed by a psychopath on a political crusade. I'm sure they'll enjoy seing the murderer praised as an anti-tyrany symbol.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: SixThumbs on February 14, 2013, 04:28:34 pm: Going from the limited information given he was basically "breed" to be a killer by the culture he was raised in so of course he's going to bite the hand that fed him when it turns it's back. Murdering family members by proxy is abhorrent but hoping death on others family members isn't exactly saintly either.

Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on February 14, 2013, 12:48:33 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24WJr4Ye8xY&feature=youtu.be

LEO's burned the house down intentionally. Fuck due process, this is the wild west.

Burners deployed and we have a fire.

What was that a video of?
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Angantyr on February 14, 2013, 06:18:04 pm: Quote from: Laufknoten on February 12, 2013, 04:57:02 pm
A cop-killer trying to justify his doings. Well, perhaps they even "destroyed" his life, but it's fact that he literally ended 3 lifes...
Well, of course, he was clearly mentally ill. I wasn't defending his actions or anything if that came out unclear, it was the context of his actions I found alarming, not too surprising and interesting from a social realism viewpoint (accentuated also by his manifesto's long list of pop culture references).
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 14, 2013, 06:32:50 pm: Quote from: SixThumbs on February 14, 2013, 04:28:34 pm
Going from the limited information given he was basically "breed" to be a killer by the culture he was raised in so of course he's going to bite the hand that fed him when it turns it's back. Murdering family members by proxy is abhorrent but hoping death on others family members isn't exactly saintly either.

What was that a video of?

It was audio of the law enforcement's communications, someone recorded from a scanner.

And I don't condone or agree with Dorner's alleged actions, I don't view him as a hero. I just firmly believe in due process. Burning a guy out of a building is not due process. They didn't try to throw a phone in and negotiate with the guy. You can see from LAPD's actions (who flew up there to run the show) last week that they had no intention of negotiating with him or giving him due process. they were shooting up trucks who "looked similar" but the occupants didn't come close to matching his description.

It doesn't matter how guilty someone appears, we should all be given our day in court. If he goes down fighting, then by all means, put a bullet (or 30) in his brain.

http://gawker.com/5984122/conspiracy-theorists-leap-at-the-confusing-case-of-dorners-multiple-wallets

Also they apparently found 3 IDs of Dorner's since they started looking for him...is it possible he had 3 different forms of ID and 3 different wallets?
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Angantyr on February 14, 2013, 07:11:06 pm: Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on February 14, 2013, 12:48:33 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24WJr4Ye8xY&feature=youtu.be

LEO's burned the house down intentionally. Fuck due process, this is the wild west.

Burners deployed and we have a fire.
Video removed/censored. Probably too much for our fragile little minds to handle.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: SixThumbs on February 14, 2013, 07:20:18 pm: Was the video this one?

Edit: It won't show up? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T6cG7FC71c&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Angantyr on February 14, 2013, 07:58:28 pm: Thanks.

Due justice would also have meant that maybe some of his allegations would have been presented in court. Can't have that.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on February 14, 2013, 09:41:05 pm: Quote from: SixThumbs on February 14, 2013, 07:20:18 pm
Was the video this one?

Edit: It won't show up? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T6cG7FC71c&feature=youtu.be

NO that was apparently from earlier in the day, they have much more damning audio from the scanners:

found this on the daily beast: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/14/how-christopher-dorner-went-down.html

It has the audio I linked earlier, it's only a minute long but has the jist of what was in the other audio (scroll down a little and click on the video)

The 5 minute audio that was taken down from youtube had a lot more in depth comments from the police over the scanners, but this sums it up pretty well.

This has the full 5 minute audio from the clip I linked: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/02/robert-farago/breaking-police-scanner-recording-reveals-plan-to-burn-dorner-cabin/
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Oberyn on February 15, 2013, 02:09:10 am: Quote from: Angantyr on February 14, 2013, 07:58:28 pm
Thanks.

Due justice would also have meant that maybe some of his allegations would have been presented in court. Can't have that.

Actually that's not how the law works, at all. None of the allegations of corruption or criminal misconduct in his manifesto would have been part of his trial, had there been one. They are not mitigating circumstances for murder.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Oberyn on February 15, 2013, 02:18:33 am: Quote from: SixThumbs on February 14, 2013, 04:28:34 pm
Going from the limited information given he was basically "breed" to be a killer by the culture he was raised in

That's an excuse for any crime, any deviancy imaginable. Which is why it's ridiculous bullshit. Does anyone give a flying fuck about drug dealers, gangsters and rednecks from shitty neighborhoods being "raised to be killers by their culture"? Or mentally unstable people who had terrible lives, abused by family and the like, who end up defective and broken beyond repair? No, it doesn't matter what leads people to commit horrible crimes, only that they do. You're excusing psychos who lost control due to external circumstances as if they are the only people in the entire world who have to face them. How many people have gone through the exact same or worst experiences, and yet they don't suddenly start murdering random innocents left and right?
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Angantyr on February 15, 2013, 10:13:25 am: Quote from: Oberyn on February 15, 2013, 02:09:10 am
Actually that's not how the law works, at all. None of the allegations of corruption or criminal misconduct in his manifesto would have been part of his trial, had there been one. They are not mitigating circumstances for murder.
Yeah, I realized that after posting, but anyway with the sometimes open very public courts in the US he might have dropped a few for the LAPD unfortunate buzzwords, if given a chance. Not that I think this was the rationale for killing him at all, likely they were just pissed off at him and he was shooting back.
Title: Re: Los Angeles Cops going on rampages
Post by: Tagora on February 16, 2013, 10:36:19 pm