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Title: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Panos on February 08, 2013, 01:13:10 pm
I want to go to the duel server to be a better player, but with the point system everyone just wants to kill u as fast as possible to milk your points.

I remember before the point system, when the enemy had a knockdown weapon, he would let you get up so you could duel again, now that never happens.

I`ve seen players, mostly Risens doing that, asking people how many points they have, if they had less points they wouldn`t duel them afraid that they will lose a lot of points, and if they had more than them, they would duel and if they started losing the duel they would DC . (yes I`m talking about u Antonio).

The point system was nice at the start, but now it became more of a new farming and epenis contest.

Please tweak it so people can go there and actually DUEL THAN MILK POINTS.

Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 08, 2013, 01:15:42 pm
Fuck duel.  :|
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 08, 2013, 01:16:19 pm
i dont think alot of people care about their score
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Panos on February 08, 2013, 01:17:12 pm
i dont think alot of people care about their score

Ive never seen you on the duel server.

Porta, dueling makes u better.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: [ptx] on February 08, 2013, 01:17:54 pm
Last time i looked at my points was back when they were introduced.

Also, i never see YOU on the duel.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Panos on February 08, 2013, 01:18:32 pm
Last time i looked at my points was back when they were introduced.

Also, i never see YOU on the duel.

I play there every night..
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Sable Keech on February 08, 2013, 01:19:57 pm
perhaps they should implement a ranked duel mode, and none ranked duel mode.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 08, 2013, 01:20:42 pm
Ive never seen you on the duel server.

Porta, dueling makes u better.

I shouldve been more specific: Fuck duel points.  :|

:lol:
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Rhaegar on February 08, 2013, 01:22:22 pm
are partly agree with what you say,I have also heard of players Risen beat on purpose by their companions to give points.anyhow the point system makes sense if they want to play stupidly it's their problem
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Panos on February 08, 2013, 01:24:05 pm
are partly agree with what you say,I have also heard of players Risen beat on purpose by their companions to give points.anyhow the point system makes sense if they want to play stupidly it's their problem

But duel was made so you can go there and practice your skills, not to be a point milking contest..
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Boerenlater on February 08, 2013, 01:28:13 pm
I have no idea what those points are good for.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Arathian on February 08, 2013, 01:29:16 pm
Well, I usually roll with the moto "learn how to duel and points will come". Of course Panos, you are right, most don't.

However, removing points entirely isn't the solution. The solution is to add a freeking "friendly duel" already. Friendly duels cost no points for either side, rated duels work like now.

How hard can this bloody be? I want naked fistfights back :(
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Gurnisson on February 08, 2013, 01:29:27 pm
I usually duel with 3 body armor, a horse and 4 xbows. Fuck them points, I don't care. :lol:
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Rhaegar on February 08, 2013, 01:30:10 pm
But duel was made so you can go there and practice your skills, not to be a point milking contest..

it is true should take points who refuses to duel!!!   :twisted:
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on February 08, 2013, 01:31:15 pm
You could try NA duel Panos - I don't seem to be rejected there. Of course some people don't accept my challenges, and it may be about points - never thought of that before - but generally I'm active the whole time I'm signed in.

You'll have you deal with your beloved 2hers in abundance, though :P
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Arathian on February 08, 2013, 01:31:19 pm
it is true should take points who refuses to duel!!!   :twisted:
That is a terrible idea. What if I am looking to play with my friend and random roflplate2hander wants to duel me while I am naked with a practice sword?
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Panos on February 08, 2013, 01:32:04 pm
I usually duel with 3 body armor, a horse and 4 xbows. Fuck them points, I don't care. :lol:

Sadly people who duel for fun and not for Points are a minority.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Arathian on February 08, 2013, 01:33:02 pm
You could try NA duel Panos - I don't seem to be rejected there. Of course some people don't accept my challenges, and it may be about points - never thought of that before - but generally I'm active the whole time I'm signed in.

You'll have you deal with your beloved 2hers in abundance, though :P

It isn't that naked fanatic :3 Most people in NA try to duel people of similar skill level, regardless of points. I understand that can be frustrating as a newbie. When I couldn't duel as well, many would reject me that way. But it is how it works, I am afraid.

You did the correct thing, found a good player and asked him to teach you the ropes.


edit: και Πάνο, μπες steam re  :twisted:
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Panos on February 08, 2013, 01:33:55 pm
You could try NA duel Panos - I don't seem to be rejected there. Of course some people don't accept my challenges, and it may be about points - never thought of that before - but generally I'm active the whole time I'm signed in.

You'll have you deal with your beloved 2hers in abundance, though :P

Ping is a big issue.

In NA i will have 140 ms.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Rhaegar on February 08, 2013, 01:40:18 pm
That is a terrible idea. What if I am looking to play with my friend and random roflplate2hander wants to duel me while I am naked with a practice sword?

do not worry, if I see you naked with your friend I do not go near and would let you do your thing with the wooden sword :shock:  but not all are so discrete this is also true

may be a good idea to differentiate official  duels and training duels
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Miwiw on February 08, 2013, 01:40:35 pm
People who disconnect during a duel, should automatically lose.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Latvian on February 08, 2013, 01:54:47 pm
perhaps they should implement a ranked duel mode, and none ranked duel mode.
that^  for example press F for ranked duel and press H for not ranked duel, i dont like that so called pros dont fight you because they are afraid to lose points or for example iw as fighting GK master cavalry yesterday on duel server (he is number 1 on duel list) and i dismount him after he misses me with his lance and guess what he disconencted even befor gettign up, looks like he practiced that action pretty much according speed he managed to do it. And ofcourse thing that panos said about knockdowns, only people who let me get up are those who i know very well and spend a lot of time playing together. I think duel server is meant to improve your 1 vs 1 skills, maybe train chambers or test some equipment, but not for e penis enlargement.

edit: i just thought about funny thing to implement :D add count of disconnects during duels next to players name on duelers scoreboard :D and guy with most disconnects gets tile , something like pussy of the year.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Panos on February 08, 2013, 02:03:47 pm

edit: i just thought about funny thing to implement :D add count of disconnects during duels next to players name on duelers scoreboard :D and guy with most disconnects gets tile , something like pussy of the year.

Or even better we could call it GTX of this year.

 :twisted:
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: the real god emperor on February 08, 2013, 02:17:17 pm
Master Cav does this "Disconnect after Horse Dies" thing on battle servers too, he attacks on the very first of the round if he dies b4 killing someone, he leaves.
Also some of those point milking guys are selling duel points each other for cRPG gold, most dumb thing i ve ever seen. And i like the idea of making ranked and non-ranked duel system. So those no lifers can rage to each other for their points. And i think leaving a duel must warrant a ban.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on February 08, 2013, 02:22:58 pm
some of those point milking guys are selling duel points each other for cRPG gold
lol
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Latvian on February 08, 2013, 02:29:58 pm
i think it is too much to ask for ranked and not ranked duel servers like EU 3 ranked duel server and eu 10 not ranked duel server for normal people.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: _GTX_ on February 08, 2013, 02:30:46 pm
Or even better we could call it GTX of this year.

 :twisted:
You are pathetic, cut writing this in every thread. A ton of people do it, and i only did it once. I have screens of several people doing it.

I would also love to see the amount of disconnects in a duel beside ur score in some way, since i would probably have a lower one than most. It could prove people wrong and would be great.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Panos on February 08, 2013, 02:34:17 pm
You are pathetic, cut writing this in every thread. A ton of people do it, and i only did it once. I have screens of several people doing it.

I would also love to see the amount of disconnects in a duel beside ur score in some way, since i would probably have a lower one than most. It could prove people wrong and would be great.

The rage goes away when you hit puberty, no worries.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Smoothrich on February 08, 2013, 02:36:31 pm
Also some of those point milking guys are selling duel points each other for cRPG gold, most dumb thing i ve ever seen.

Now selling 1800+ NA duel Elo on my main and alt 50k cRPG gold each
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Latvian on February 08, 2013, 02:37:28 pm
i can sell 1700 something points
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Ego_HRE on February 08, 2013, 03:26:27 pm
I make this duells only 4 fun or train my( or other ppl's) skills and i give a fuck off this score :wink:
Everyone who let me stand up get my respect and i would do him the same.
This ranking system is not so bad...u can see...who is one of the best and u can mess with him.
This top 25 guys give us the skill standart here in this game and when i go on duell i will mess with them all the time...but not 4 score...for skill train. :mrgreen:

ps sry 4 my english
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on February 08, 2013, 03:47:37 pm
Selling 1900+ duel points, taking only bitcoins in return PM me.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Elindor on February 08, 2013, 03:58:28 pm
It would be nice for various reasons if there was a way to initiate RANKED and NON RANKED duels in the duel server...and the opponent would know which one they were agreeing to.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Kato on February 08, 2013, 04:12:48 pm
This top 25 guys give us the skill standart here in this game

uhmm...nope

1 GK_Master_Cavalry    Great Khans :lol:
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Tuetensuppe on February 08, 2013, 04:14:25 pm
selling duel points each other for cRPG gold

here I am aswell...

selling all my EU duel points >best offer via pm in the next 24h wins ;)

i hope i dont need to post it again in the marketplace section :)
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Piok on February 08, 2013, 04:16:51 pm
Bring back melee server get rid of this max lvl 20 nonsense  :evil:
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Teeth on February 08, 2013, 04:20:52 pm
Make it twice as hard to get duel points with a 2h, seems only fair.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Prinz_Karl on February 08, 2013, 04:22:55 pm
What are those duel points good for?
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on February 08, 2013, 04:41:20 pm
What are those duel points good for?

E-peen.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: San on February 08, 2013, 05:18:09 pm
The biggest gripe that I have is that for games like this, best out of 3 or best out of 5 sets are a must. It's very difficult to beat everyone100% of the time in every fight, but in a set, everything is more consistent. Winning 3-2 against a pretty good player could still net you a loss of a good 10-20 points.

There should be sets and non-ranked duels, but it just depends how much work it is.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: tizzango on February 08, 2013, 05:20:39 pm
Now selling 1800+ NA duel Elo on my main and alt 50k cRPG gold each

Now selling 1800+ NA duel Elo on my main


Now selling 1800+ NA duel


1800+ NA duel



NA duel


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Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: bavvoz on February 08, 2013, 05:34:16 pm
If u dont mind fighting some1 whos not a pro feel free to chall me if u see me on duel server. I dont give a shit about rankings and i let u get up when i knock u down
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Araxiel on February 08, 2013, 05:57:48 pm
uhmm...nope

1 GK_Master_Cavalry    Great Khans :lol:
It still suprises me how he is #1. He can't block with weapon, he can't fight on foot. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 08, 2013, 05:59:52 pm
It still suprises me how he is #1. He can't block with weapon, he can't fight on foot. :mrgreen:
Cavalry op nerf
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: NuberT on February 08, 2013, 06:18:05 pm
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I don't give a shit. I know I can beat almost everyone, when I really try and don't rely on chamberblocking too much..

Usually I let people stand up, but there are exeptions like: People I don't like at all, 2h highping facehugger or when I am really low on hp..


Maybe just add an option to the equipment screen: Duel for fun / duel for points
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Tibe on February 08, 2013, 06:38:04 pm
Last time i looked at my points was back when they were introduced.
.....

This! Also the last time I checked anybody elses was when they were introduced. I play on duel simply to be better, it is good practice. Panos is correct.

If people like Risen want points so bad to overall impress few new players who dont know jack and check the ladder tab, be my quest. They simply look more pathetic,nerdy and needy to the rest of us. I think we all normally know whose points are usually bullshit, who we want on our teams and who overall is a good player. Thats why I dont mind people going apeshit over the points in duelserver, they make me lol.

POINT: What the hell are your duelpoints worth to anyone if you basically waste ticks and equip in stratbattles cause of being a jackass and loose multis in battle/siege?
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on February 08, 2013, 06:41:13 pm
It still suprises me how he is #1. He can't block with weapon, he can't fight on foot. :mrgreen:

It's just getting friends to give you points, I got Shik up to 1880 points on NA duel a few weeks ago for a joke by giving him points off my main, grinding them back up again and repeat.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on February 08, 2013, 06:46:45 pm
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I don't give a shit.

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I can't find myself in the ladder :|
I don't give a shit even more!
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Latvian on February 08, 2013, 06:51:58 pm
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this happens every second day , i mostly practice chamber or just stop blocking when some guy with some spaming weapon runs around me and keeps spaming 1 dirrection. I ussualy get to 1750 or something and than lose them all :D
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Rebelyell on February 08, 2013, 07:22:08 pm
Master Cavalery is on the top of...
no ofence but somethins is fucking wrong there
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Kaoklai on February 08, 2013, 07:57:53 pm
Do away with points altogether.  Everyone knew who the good players and duelists were before points were introduced; as a measure of e-peen they are unnecessary.  It makes the duel server unwelcoming to new players -I've seen people actually say that they don't go to duel because they are afraid of losing points.  And a system of ranked and unranked duels is only going to lead to taunting of players when they inevitably refuse to play ranked.  If you want epeen, organize a tournament or wager duels.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Carthan on February 08, 2013, 09:02:59 pm
Reminds me of the time I dueled a certain semenstorm tincan who disconnected beacuse "he had the wrong loadout", then proceeded to duel everyone else.

Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Akynos on February 09, 2013, 11:57:56 am
To my experience,the only players who are concerned about points are those who know they can make it to the top 25 ( and perhaps top 10) if they work  hard enough at it. Those who do not have the skills to achieve the top 25 don't care - nobody will see them anyway on duel ladder. Those who can make it easily don't care so much, because it isn't so much of a challenge.

Personally I have quite a natural e-peen like most people. I love to show all players that I am one of the top 25 duelist on EU. However, I prefer the fun of duelling to this 'pride', so I force myself to give out all my points to some random guy when I start to feel the need to stop duelling to not lose points. It feels good afterwards. I can duel for fun again and stop raging when I lose lots of points for a few fuck-ups.

Of course, this is my method, but many players will want to keep their points and climb to the top. It's natural. That doesn't change the fact that yes, indeed Panos, this kills the fun of duel server, and that something should be done about it.

However, since our 6th of january ''present'' ( makes me laugh how we all expected to recieve something that day and we ended up giving away 40 000 euros haha) it is unlikely that 'devs' will spend their precious time on the old limping c-rpg to improve it.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: PanPan on February 09, 2013, 12:05:33 pm
People who disconnect during a duel, should automatically lose.

Might be a crash tough :/
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Riddaren on February 09, 2013, 01:12:47 pm
The point system needs to be tweaked so that players cannot abuse it or take it so seriously that they are selective with duels.

Count only a few of the duels as ranked and make it random and don't count more than 1 duel against the same player per day.

What I had in mind is to count only 1-5% of the duels.

And of course, you would not ever output points won and lost ingame. That way no one will know if a duel got ranked or not.
You will see that in a few days / weeks on the c-rpg site.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Lactating Vegetables on February 09, 2013, 01:23:48 pm
So why is there a points system? other than e-peen...
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Miwiw on February 09, 2013, 01:23:52 pm
Might be a crash tough :/

Yes. That might me the case in some situations. But how often do you expect to crash during a duel? I guess you do not alt tab during a duel... disconnecting or really crashing is really rare during the normal playing time. Don't think that's the reason why most people suddenly dc during a duel however.

I don't really care of course as I never duel anyway.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: MBB_CAV on February 09, 2013, 11:13:39 pm
Stop QQing all lol
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: MBB_CAV on February 09, 2013, 11:15:01 pm
It's just getting friends to give you points, I got Shik up to 1880 points on NA duel a few weeks ago for a joke by giving him points off my main, grinding them back up again and repeat.
lol schizophrene
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Soldier_of_God on February 10, 2013, 09:31:41 am
I do not think it is the system that is broken, but the honorless curs that use shields, crush through, and knock down in duel. And you know what I do about it when i see people like that? remember their name, and never fight them again. there are plenty of people to duel with that have a sense of chivalry in them.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: bavvoz on February 10, 2013, 06:10:28 pm
I do not think it is the system that is broken, but the honorless curs that use shields, crush through, and knock down in duel. And you know what I do about it when i see people like that? remember their name, and never fight them again. there are plenty of people to duel with that have a sense of chivalry in them.

Sry i really have to ask, what is honorless about using a shield 1on1?
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Miwiw on February 10, 2013, 06:18:27 pm
That's stupid 2h players thoughts, who think duels were always without shields. But actually it totally depends on the time.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 10, 2013, 06:21:07 pm
I do not think it is the system that is broken, but the honorless curs that use shields, crush through, and knock down in duel. And you know what I do about it when i see people like that? remember their name, and never fight them again. there are plenty of people to duel with that have a sense of chivalry in them.


If I go to the duel server, I'm there to learn how to use my build better, and if it is a shielder then of course I'm going to use the shield in duels. A shield has different response times then manual blocking as well as learning how much coverage it really gives to the sides. I also don't mind fighting peole with shields when I'm on my shieldless characters as that teaches me how to kill shielders. Psh.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Osiris on February 10, 2013, 06:21:18 pm
indeed shielders and other classes are not allowed to practice cambering while holding a shield or get used to the speed when wearing certain armour :D how dare they
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Kafein on February 10, 2013, 06:28:33 pm
Sry i really have to ask, what is honorless about using a shield 1on1?

Gotta add to this. A shield is only useful in duel if you are not good at blocking your opponent or getting stunned a lot if you plan on using a 1h anyway.


Also I think the point system could be kept but revamped so people do not see duelists that might kill them as a threat to their points but rather as an opportunity to overcome a weakness. And also reward winning against a broad variety of opponents rather than farming the same people over and over again.

For example, instead of having an ELO score, people could be ranked by the number of different opponents they are winning against on average. Say you got player W,X,Y and Z. We could have W winning over Y and Z but losing against X, X winning against Y but not Z and Y winning against Z. So the scores would be as follows : W 2, X 2, Y 1, Z 1. Determining who "wins" on average is very simple : store the number of victories of each player against each other player. Granted that would be a lot of DB space compared to the current score system. To further refine this system, the number of score points each player gives when you are better than him could be a function of his own score at the moment you fought and won against that player.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Tibe on February 10, 2013, 08:39:29 pm
...Also for taking down those pesky feniting ultraspeed katana and rondel dagger users. Take out your shield and be patient and they will be no threat at all.

The shield really doesnt give you much advantages besides rangedblocking. Normally I carry a shield behind my back in duel, althou I never acctually use it. Its so I could get used to playing with the extra weight on my back for battle or siege.

 I admit the overpowered undying tincanmen who whore points in duel simply cause they can take alot of hits and maulers piss me off, but than remember that is the game, you cant throw a allout pause and a hissy fit in a middle of a fight, simply cause you took a knife to a maulfight. You never completely know whose coming for your anus, so its good to learn some moves in duel against certain classes and weapons, before you realise in battlemode that you have been in spec most of the time for not being qualified enough. This is why I also deeply support the creation of teamed duels or Team Deathmatch. Cause its good practice for fighting groups, you dont get duels very often. And your skills in strat and battlemode are what really count(atleast in my eyes :rolleyes:).
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Oberyn on February 10, 2013, 08:58:10 pm
Duel for me has always been about practicing blocks. Using a shield is pointless for that. The major advantage of having a shield is dealing with multiple opponents, not 1 vs 1 anyways. Duel won't help you shit getting better at the most important battle skill you can have as a shielder.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Penguin on February 10, 2013, 10:54:45 pm
The only reason I want this out is because there are players on NA_3 who won't play "lower-ranked" duelists in fear of the point loss.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: MrIlluminati on February 10, 2013, 11:21:28 pm
Press F for Ranked Duel or CTRL + F for Non-Ranked Duel?
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Macropus on February 11, 2013, 12:31:23 am
Master Cavalery is on the top of...
no ofence but somethins is fucking wrong there
Well I remember how he quit the server in duel right after I dehorsed him with my 1h... so no surprise here. Usually I enjoy duelling against cav, but that was really weird move. That's when I realized duel points is not a good thing, they make some people care way too much about winning.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Blueberry Muffin on February 11, 2013, 12:48:46 am
Theres no benefit for having a high quantity of duel points, so let idiots be idiots I say.

Sry i really have to ask, what is honorless about using a shield 1on1?

Agreed, I find it harder to duel with a shield than without.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Vodner on February 11, 2013, 01:35:30 am
If a guy offers you a duel while using a shield, you don't really get to complain about him using a shield if you accept.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Fartface on February 11, 2013, 08:48:40 am
I don´t mind dueling a shielder , Also just a tip to piss of the 2handers the moment you see them getting a heartattack with there feints you just overhead it´s that simple.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Kafein on February 11, 2013, 08:52:23 am
I don´t mind dueling a shielder , Also just a tip to piss of the 2handers the moment you see them getting a heartattack with there feints you just overhead it´s that simple.

You do that, unless you actually want to win by skill, that is, in a consistantly reproducible way. If you have a shield, feints are stupidly easy to deal with.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Macropus on February 11, 2013, 09:17:31 am
Yeah, shield seems useless for duels (at least for me with my huscarl shield), it makes blocks so much slower. Maybe it feels different for fastest shields though.

Also I don't get why some people think using knockdown in duels is unfair or honorless. You see, if swordsmen can abuse their speed and reach, axe wielders abuse their damage and shieldbreaking, why can't blunt weapon users use the natural advantage of their weapon? If they don't, they become highly underpowered.

And when I offer duel to some good fighters like Hearst, duel points make me feel like "Can I try to get shitloads of points for killing you?" instead of "Can I learn something by duelling with you?". Makes me feel awkward.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Necrorave on February 13, 2013, 05:37:40 pm
Press F for Ranked Duel or CTRL + F for Non-Ranked Duel?

I think if you reversed it that would be fine.

I am one of those people who could care less about points.  Although, I am tired of people running away then throwing weapons at you for points.  (They hide throwing weapons till you accept)  It is silly and I don't see people growing up anytime soon.  So you might as well just have a "Friendly" duel option.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Carthan on February 14, 2013, 12:46:38 am
As much as I HATE losing points in duels, I must say that it does help by forcing you to change your combat style. Besides, it seems fairly easy to regain points later on in the day.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Fartface on February 14, 2013, 08:32:31 am
You do that, unless you actually want to win by skill, that is, in a consistantly reproducible way. If you have a shield, feints are stupidly easy to deal with.
Not realy , if I know alot of players that can block a second spam me including. And the moment I don´t time the spam right or he finishes feinting earlier than I expacted I take the hit , it´s just a high risk high reward tactic and it´s definatly better than just endless blocking of the feints because it pisses people of when you spam kill them .
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 14, 2013, 10:45:27 pm
You do that, unless you actually want to win by skill, that is, in a consistantly reproducible way. If you have a shield, feints are stupidly easy to deal with.
If a player has no control over his random feint spamming and you can just intercept and hit him then you do win by skill.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Kafein on February 15, 2013, 01:24:09 am
If a player has no control over his random feint spamming and you can just intercept and hit him then you do win by skill.

You do win because you had the luck he did not attack straight when you spammed. In fact spam only promotes one thing, and it is dumbing down the combat back to attack-block cycles.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 15, 2013, 01:28:02 am
You do win because you had the luck he did not attack straight when you spammed. In fact spam only promotes one thing, and it is dumbing down the combat back to attack-block cycles.
You either have luck, or you're able to guess whether the guy is gonna keep on spamming, or you noticed his feintspams had put him into a position were he'd glance if he swung so you're free to attack. Tactically intercepting idiotic turkfeinting were the turkfeinter is so concentrated on his feinting that he won't notice you attacking him is not spamming.

You do win because you had luck and he didn't block in the right direction. So atacking only promotes one thing, and it is dumbing down combat to running away.
Your argument invalidates everything from kicks to chambers to even playing as you might disconnect.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Kafein on February 15, 2013, 03:42:45 pm
You do win because you had luck and he didn't block in the right direction.

This is not the same at all, you know. If you spam and the other guy does a straight attack, you will very likely get hit and be penalized. If you feint and the other guy blocks correctly, that's it. Nothing special happens. Spam is terrible because you are gambling a hit, which you can do if you have plenty of HP and armor. If people died as fast as in Native, only the noobs would try spam in duels.

So atacking only promotes one thing, and it is dumbing down combat to running away.

Attacking promotes blocking, or attacking faster, your point ?

Your argument invalidates everything from kicks to chambers to even playing as you might disconnect.

No it does not. Kicks are unrelated to this. People kick right after attacking, this has nothing to do with spam or feints or straight counter attacks. If anything kicks promote s-keying. Chambers are just (intentionally or not) a special kind of spam and has the same effect on your opponent.

On the other hand, feints and holds do not push opponents to do straight attacks.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: [ptx] on February 15, 2013, 03:44:45 pm
Kafein, your understanding of game mechanics lags behind by at least a year. Sorry.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 15, 2013, 03:47:35 pm
People should do more straight attacks, being able to feint at 1000 feints per second doesn't make you a good player if you can't block while doing in, and watching some turkfeinter turkfeinting for half an hour would suck if I couldn't just stab him.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
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Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Osiris on February 15, 2013, 03:55:16 pm
points mean little when you cant even duel due to retardedly high random pings for no reason :/

play native 30 ping
join eu3 90-120 ping yay  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Vodner on February 15, 2013, 04:20:03 pm
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If you spam and the other guy does a straight attack, you will very likely get hit and be penalized.
Most good players notice when they are going to get hit when going for a double-attack, and cancel to a block.

Likewise, most good players notice if the other guy is lining up for a double-swing, and also notice if the other guy swings while they are feinting. Again, they cancel to a block.

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If people died as fast as in Native, only the noobs would try spam in duels.
Plenty of people go for out-of-sequence attacks in native duel. Right swing into thrust, wait to see if the other guy messes up, and let the thrust through if he does. Higher melee lethality would make cRPG a lot better, though.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Commodore_Axephante on February 16, 2013, 12:47:21 am
... Higher melee lethality would make cRPG a lot better, though. ...

As in, more damage, 1-shot kills and all that? Granted, I generally play without armor, but I feel like everyone gets killed in 2-3 hits as-is, at most.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Vodner on February 16, 2013, 01:18:23 am
As in, more damage, 1-shot kills and all that? Granted, I generally play without armor, but I feel like everyone gets killed in 2-3 hits as-is, at most.
With loomed high-end medium armor in addition to high IF, many players can survive 4-7 decent hits.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 16, 2013, 01:27:30 am
If people died as fast as in Native, only the noobs would try spam in duels.
This is my exact tactic in native, I'm not a very good feinter, average kicker, good blocker, airplane jumper, besides being very good at telling when the other guy is turkfeinting so hard he can't see or whether he got full control or whether his current swing could possibly hit me I'd probably not perform above the average player, and yet what you call spam and claim I'd lose with a decent percentage of the time gets me kills several times more than it kills me, and it is what ends at least 75% of the fights on nditions (against nonenoob players) I don't use some form of jump attack in that I win.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Kafein on February 16, 2013, 02:00:25 am
Kafein, your understanding of game mechanics lags behind by at least a year. Sorry.

My tastes about combat styles lags behind more than a year, I admit. My understanding does not. I know you can most of the time cancel your attacks. Nevertheless, the best way to deal with spammers is to dumb down your own playstyle, which I do not like.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 16, 2013, 02:06:54 am
My tastes about combat styles lags behind more than a year, I admit. My understanding does not. I know you can most of the time cancel your attacks. Nevertheless, the best way to deal with spammers is to dumb down your own playstyle, which I do not like.
Paying attention to what your enemy is doing instead of just feintspamming is dumbing down your own playstyle? As long as you're aware while feinting and stop feinting when he starts attacking you're safe unless your feint was at a retarded spot were you can't hit him at which point you gotta block or get out the way or do something else.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Dezilagel on February 16, 2013, 05:19:10 pm
Paying attention to what your enemy is doing instead of just feintspamming is dumbing down your own playstyle? As long as you're aware while feinting and stop feinting when he starts attacking you're safe unless your feint was at a retarded spot were you can't hit him at which point you gotta block or get out the way or do something else.

I fully agree with your statements, but with light armor (50 body armor is apparently "light" now), no if, 18 str, and a relatively low-damage weapon (War Spear) the general randomspamming that is going on is RIDICULOUS.

People are really good at the game now (since I stopped playing as much, most people's skill level has just rocketed past me), so it's a damn shame they keep slowing it down. This has led to the inevitable consequence of damage/hp being more important since trading hits (i.e random spam) becomes more and more a used tactic to get past people's defenses and to be effective in battle.

And with the rise of heavy armor and str also comes the heavy armor + high str blobs which for me are one of the major annoyances of battle nowadays. Since they know they can take a hit or five no probs these people just run around and gank by spamming since they don't really need to fear a few hits. Combine with dedicated support pikes/hoplites + some cav and you've basically got EU1 atm.

Gamespeed needs upping, melee combat needs to be way more lethal and turnrate bs needs to be reverted (imo ofc).
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on February 16, 2013, 05:30:21 pm
I fully agree with your statements, but with light armor (50 body armor is apparently "light" now), no if, 18 str, and a relatively low-damage weapon (War Spear) the general randomspamming that is going on is RIDICULOUS.

People are really good at the game now (since I stopped playing as much, most people's skill level has just rocketed past me), so it's a damn shame they keep slowing it down. This has led to the inevitable consequence of damage/hp being more important since trading hits (i.e random spam) becomes more and more a used tactic to get past people's defenses and to be effective in battle.

And with the rise of heavy armor and str also comes the heavy armor + high str blobs which for me are one of the major annoyances of battle nowadays. Since they know they can take a hit or five no probs these people just run around and gank by spamming since they don't really need to fear a few hits. Combine with dedicated support pikes/hoplites + some cav and you've basically got EU1 atm.

Gamespeed needs upping, melee combat needs to be way more lethal and turnrate bs needs to be reverted (imo ofc).
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I agree with all these statements besides turnspeed.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Kafein on February 16, 2013, 05:46:14 pm
I don't think literally increasing combat speed would do any good. Some weapons are already on the edge of being plainly spammable with a little bit of squaredancing. I would rather like to see the lethality of melee combat increased, naturally giving the game a faster feel.
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Lt_Anders on February 17, 2013, 02:15:04 am
I don't think literally increasing combat speed would do any good. Some weapons are already on the edge of being plainly spammable with a little bit of squaredancing. I would rather like to see the lethality of melee combat increased, naturally giving the game a faster feel.

I believe CMP stated it a long while ago, but CRPG is in effect faster than native. Most native weapons have a LOWER speed than us....
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: Panos on February 19, 2013, 04:32:08 pm
Any thoughs from the dev  team??
Title: Re: Remove the point system from duels.
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on February 19, 2013, 04:39:52 pm
I fully agree with your statements, but with light armor (50 body armor is apparently "light" now), no if, 18 str, and a relatively low-damage weapon (War Spear) the general randomspamming that is going on is RIDICULOUS.

People are really good at the game now (since I stopped playing as much, most people's skill level has just rocketed past me), so it's a damn shame they keep slowing it down. This has led to the inevitable consequence of damage/hp being more important since trading hits (i.e random spam) becomes more and more a used tactic to get past people's defenses and to be effective in battle.

And with the rise of heavy armor and str also comes the heavy armor + high str blobs which for me are one of the major annoyances of battle nowadays. Since they know they can take a hit or five no probs these people just run around and gank by spamming since they don't really need to fear a few hits. Combine with dedicated support pikes/hoplites + some cav and you've basically got EU1 atm.

Gamespeed needs upping, melee combat needs to be way more lethal and turnrate bs needs to be reverted (imo ofc).

Well I've learned from being spammed to death multiple times the best solution to this. When first opening an engagement with an enemy, do not feint. You don't know if he'll play defensively and try to block and wait, he may just spam through. I generally only begin feinting if the fight drags on and I realize he's not a spammer. And if they do try to spam, with this tactic they get a nice slash to the face as I simply block then left swing and no matter how hard they try they won't get a second swing in. Unless of course they're a god-tier hilt-slasher with a insanely fast weapon such as bastard sword or longsword, but even then, as long as you keep on your toes you should be able to effectively go 1:1 in hits exchanged.