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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Aztek on January 28, 2013, 07:31:16 am
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*RP initiated*
I bring sad news, A previous member of Hospitaller has committed to ultimate betrayal.
Plague entered into Hospitaller with the clothes on his back a small amount of gold with hopes of working as a knight, during Plague's time with us he seemed to settle in well and although quiet at times seemed opportunistic and eager to help. With in the last few weeks members began to notice that glare has left his eye, and a sinister smile began to grow. Despite the then, paranoid seeming opinions, Hospitaller decided to equip Plague with his own army and gear to patrol the Hospitaller lands.
Those paranoid opinions are now at our doorstep, Plague with his army were seen marching far north, After threats of leaving Hospitaller a messenger was dispatched! A diplomat was sent out and reached Plague's army hours afterwords, Once the messenger reached Plague the conversation was not well received, Plague then informed our diplomat that he and his army would be attacking all villages north of the steppe! Knowing this was going against the will of Hospitaller the messenger pleaded with the now angry commander to come back to the castle, he would be allowed to leave the faction but would not do so with Hospitaller men and gear, after talks the diplomat offered a solution, Plague would be allowed to keep all of the gear, gold, and men that wanted to follow, Our diplomat even offered an extra sack of gold to keep his remaining troops well fed for weeks to come while leaving our lands. While asking the commanders troops, it was said that 500 of the 830 troops wanted to return home, and did not want to follow there now corrupt commander! Plague refused the offer and stated he would allow to send the gear and men back only if he would be allowed more gold that could be carried by a thousand men! Of course the diplomat told the crazed commander that would just not be possible, and that Hospitaller were offering a good deal, all they asked for was the 500 men to return to their families. Plague then erupted with a story of self importance, and explained he was disciplined by Hospitaller leaders and felt that he must enter into this journey, that he would march his troops to the FCC faction and pledge allegiance to anyone against the Hospitaller clan!
Now as the diplomat realized there was no talking to to angry Plague commander, he left with a message, and that was Hospitaller will allow everything in Plague's possession to stay on him, even though it was Hospitaller made equipment, but the men wanting to leave and return home would not be forgoten, that armies would be dispatched to confront Plague and bring justice to those men.
Plaques only response was that he would rather slay every man than to return a soul safely to Hospitaller land. Plague then raised his sword and with a grunted motion sliced through the diplomat's horse, cutting deep enough to remove its head from its body. While the diplomat covered his side as if to be struck next, Plague simply smiled and stated he would be allowed to live, Only to tell the story of what is to come.
A bounty is now on Plague head, Hospitaller armies are sent to confront the traitor, if Plague happens to escape to EU lands 500 goods will be awarded to any faction that will terminate this traitors life.
*RP terminated*
Long story turned into a semi-quick story
Plague joined Hospitaller, He came to the faction with a little gold and that was it. He had a fight with a member and was upset and threatened to leave the clan, We told him he could leave but would have to make sure to leave all the gear/troops we gave him back, he said that was no problem.. He then started to head away from the steppe, after asking him what he was doing he decided to head north and try and attack Tuetonics or anyone else he wanted, he then said he had enough and wanted to leave the clan, But wanted to keep the gear/troops and help us with strat, But he was headed to our most northern castle where he could run from our armies which was just too shady, Rather than telling him to either give us our stuff back or be attacked, we offered for him to keep everything aside from 500 of his 830+ troops, he could keep all the gear and gold he had on him. He then decided he was worth 200k for his time in Hospitaller as he did solo trade runs while in the clan and that money should be his.
There was no reasoning with him and it almost sounded like this was planned and he was trying to merge with a hostile faction to spite this encounter with certain Hospitaller member, regardless of dragging the entire Hospitaller faction into it. So now armies are going after him.
***If Plague is warped to EU lands, Hospitaller are offering 500 goods from the steppe on the NA side for each time he is killed or until this contract runs out at a later time. If seen on NA side other commodities will be offered to any faction that kills him.***
I know this may seem extreme but we feel as if a nice bounty system would make things a little more entertaining, we wish Plague the best and hope he can find a clan that better suites him, but as for his time in Hospitaller with in the last few weeks it was obvious he wanted to do his own thing, and has a vendetta against our entire clan because of a few individuals and is now doing anything destructive for spite.
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Hospitaller are offering 500 goods from the steppe on the NA side for each time he is killed or until this contract runs out at a later time. If seen on NA side other commodities will be offered to any faction that kills him.
we wish Plague the best
Does not compute.
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pretty good RP story, +1.
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Lmao after weeks of being called traitors by this guy. Well its good to know what this traitors plans are, thank you aztek. We'll keep a good eye out for him, also that was a well thought out story.
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He was originally headed for Sungetche Castle but got deterred by an army. I find it interesting that a 900+ FCC army popped out of the forest just outside of the castle shortly after plague went rogue. Now I know why he would only take the deal if he could "drop" the troops off at Sungetche. I call Shenanigans. :lol:
Also please note: All mercenaries who fight for us against this traitor in the upcoming battle will be compensated at starting pay of 200 gold with an increased pay based on performance.
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=2165
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man Fcc gets blamed for everything. Even internal hosp fighting.
we have nothing to do with this.
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Does not compute.
Out side of the game we wish him well, He was obviously not happy and we never wish that on anyone, these games are meant to be fun.
With in the Crpg/Strat world, we are very disappointed in his actions, He claimed he deserved the world and them some and that he was elite and we were holding him back, He then took Clan gear and troops and started to make a dash away from our lands stating he would join a hostile faction and fight us on every battle if we tried to take it back, even when offering him gold, gear and 300 troops just to have him leave on friendly terms he turned it into a barter system in which he claimed he was worth at least 200k. Those actions were down right shady and we have lost all respect for him, and thus the in game bounty on his head. The worst part was he was on TS almost daily begging for gear and troops to help patrol the borders, once he was given that amount that's when he decided to leave the clan and take it all, luckily we only gave him a small patrol army, but that is beside the point.
As for FCC, Plague threatened to join FCC if we went after him, and that he would be heading to sungetche castle to drop off goods rather than drop them off at Tulbuk which he was right beside, Obviously we did not trust him at this point and gathered he would be meeting up with an army south of the steppe, then come to see an FCC army right above the castle where he was running to. We are not saying FCC was behind Plague's decisions, only he holds that consequence.
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I believe we may be the outside force implicated here instead of FCC...(but we're FCC and NH vassals anyway).
I didn't know shit about Plague and hospitaller, only that I like Plague even if he's kinda an ass sometimes. I think he's a cool guy, especially in voice comms. If you don't talk to him and just know him in-game, I feel bad for ya!
So yeah, I was trying to contract plague and his army for my own use, and I feel comfortable posting that fact. If someone's trying to fight for me, I'll let him; even if I have to pay him some. I didn't know dick-all about his internal affairs. Since it's not REALLY his army to contract one way or another...I don't really want to work with "hot" goods. I'll stop attempts to have plague come and fight for us on strat unless he's got an army he has a legitimate claim to.
Plague has asked me and my folks to sign up for him, and I initally agreed that we'd kick some ass for him. But with this recent shit that has come to light (ten points if FIDLGB posts in here because of those words), I'll attempt to split the filthy Frisians amongst both sides. I feel I should fight for Hospitaller, so I will. I won't tell any of my friends to sign up for either side; although if our numbers are skewed one way or another, I'll attempt to guide them in the right direction.
Sorry if we've caused any problems for you, Hosp-bros. Such is strat, ye know?
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He always acted like he was above everyone in the clan. We don't need members like that. Even people who play 8 hours a day aren't above being a team player. I've always been of the mentality (in this game, other games, and competitive team sports IRL) that 5 team players are better than 5 solo all stars any day of the week. You have to be able to work together to be efficient, being a rambo hero will only get you so far.
Glad we were able to catch up with him and I will enjoy slaughtering him in the battlefields when I see him running around by himself.
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I believe we may be the outside force implicated here instead of FCC...(but we're FCC and NH vassals anyway).
I didn't know shit about Plague and hospitaller, only that I like Plague even if he's kinda an ass sometimes. I think he's a cool guy, especially in voice comms. If you don't talk to him and just know him in-game, I feel bad for ya!
So yeah, I was trying to contract plague and his army for my own use, and I feel comfortable posting that fact. If someone's trying to fight for me, I'll let him; even if I have to pay him some. I didn't know dick-all about his internal affairs. Since it's not REALLY his army to contract one way or another...I don't really want to work with "hot" goods. I'll stop attempts to have plague come and fight for us on strat unless he's got an army he has a legitimate claim to.
Plague has asked me and my folks to sign up for him, and I initally agreed that we'd kick some ass for him. But with this recent shit that has come to light (ten points if FIDLGB posts in here because of those words), I'll attempt to split the filthy Frisians amongst both sides. I feel I should fight for Hospitaller, so I will. I won't tell any of my friends to sign up for either side; although if our numbers are skewed one way or another, I'll attempt to guide them in the right direction.
Sorry if we've caused any problems for you, Hosp-bros. Such is strat, ye know?
First off, thank you for your honesty, we appreciate that! Second, Plague swore he would give back the gear at Sungetche and that he was not running off with anything, which we could not believe as he was beside a castle and could have done it there, thus our assumption that he was trying to dash north to safe haven with gear. You at least brought that to light. As for his character. I have talked to Plague a few times and he did seem like a good guy, he showed me some tricks on duel server, I tried to help him with a computer problem he was having, He did come off as a good guy, and I'm sure he can be when your on his good side, But he also comes off as very spiteful and immature when he feels he is wronged, as seen on the battle server with insults to others and in strat with stealing of goods.. which were apparently being sent to you with out your knowledge of this internal dilemma.
I would ask that you or anyone else don't sign up for him in this circumstance simply due to the fact that it is Hospitaller troops fighting Hospitaller troops, a lose lose for us and thus the awkward situation he puts us in with this betrayal. We are neutral with Frisia, Teutonics, etc, Our only real enemy is FCC which has been stated over and over, but this is separate from a friendly battle. Obviously you guys will do what you must, and that's understandable, i just ask that you look at it from our perspective. We are loosing 830+ troops and gear that he took from us to take him out, and additional troops to accomplish that. A crappy situation for us and others encouraging him and supporting him does not look very friendly to Hospitaller.
And as for any claims Plague had, He entered into Hospitaller with 5k gold, not 50k which he will state, during his time as a Hospitaller he did some trade runs which netted him some gold which he now claims needs to be compensated for, but in our eyes gold made while in a clan are for the clan, and is what we all do to keep the faction going as in any other clan out there. We did not want him to leave on bad terms so offered him 5k gold, 300+ troops, and all the gear he had on him , well worth over 60k. He's response was no, He wanted 200k and if we had a problem with that we would have to attack him as he was leaving. We then kicked him from the clan and sent an army after him. I talked to Plague for over 45 mins last night trying to end this reasonably but he was too upset over an incident with a Hospitaller member weeks ago and wanted to do this out of spite. All he could do was laugh at us and say deal with it, attack me if you want cause your the ones getting screwed out of it all, which we are. Its only a matter of how much we will be hurt due to others supporting him in this matter.
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First off, thank you for your honesty, we appreciate that! Second, Plague swore he would give back the gear at Sungetche and that he was not running off with anything, which we could not believe as he was beside a castle and could have done it there, thus our assumption that he was trying to dash north to safe haven with gear. You at least brought that to light. As for his character. I have talked to Plague a few times and he did seem like a good guy, he showed me some tricks on duel server, I tried to help him with a computer problem he was having, He did come off as a good guy, and I'm sure he can be when your on his good side, But he also comes off as very spiteful and immature when he feels he is wronged, as seen on the battle server with insults to others and in strat with stealing of goods.. which were apparently being sent to you with out your knowledge of this internal dilemma.
I would ask that you or anyone else don't sign up for him in this circumstance simply due to the fact that it is Hospitaller troops fighting Hospitaller troops, a lose lose for us and thus the awkward situation he puts us in with this betrayal. We are neutral with Frisia, Teutonics, etc, Our only real enemy is FCC which has been stated over and over, but this is separate from a friendly battle. Obviously you guys will do what you must, and that's understandable, i just ask that you look at it from our perspective. We are loosing 830+ troops and gear that he took from us to take him out, and additional troops to accomplish that. A crappy situation for us and others encouraging him and supporting him does not look very friendly to Hospitaller.
And as for any claims Plague had, He entered into Hospitaller with 5k gold, not 50k which he will state, during his time as a Hospitaller he did some trade runs which netted him some gold which he now claims needs to be compensated for, but in our eyes gold made while in a clan are for the clan, and is what we all do to keep the faction going as in any other clan out there. We did not want him to leave on bad terms so offered him 5k gold, 300+ troops, and all the gear he had on him , well worth over 60k. He's response was no, He wanted 200k and if we had a problem with that we would have to attack him as he was leaving. We then kicked him from the clan and sent an army after him. I talked to Plague for over 45 mins last night trying to end this reasonably but he was too upset over an incident with a Hospitaller member weeks ago and wanted to do this out of spite. All he could do was laugh at us and say deal with it, attack me if you want cause your the ones getting screwed out of it all, which we are. Its only a matter of how much we will be hurt due to others supporting him in this matter.
None of my homies will sign up for either side without knowing what's up. If they don't mind signing up with the perpetrator of treason, they can side with him. When I left the fiddle-gee-bees, I made sure it was fine to keep my army of 420 and a hefty lump of gold to strike out on my own. Very thankful to Rhalzo for letting me do that, things might be different on strat had he not. If that hadn't happened, I'd likely sign up for plague.
However, I really hold dear the policy of freedom in my faction. The idea is to refrain from signing hotheads up with us, and nothing will go awry. The only outlier there is Daruvian, and we tend to love the motherfucker even if plenty don't. I won't order my friends around unless it's for mutual benefit, such as strat orders. They listen to me because I've got the big picture in my head, and I'm head nerd. In this situation, I won't order them around like they're serfs that have been ripped from their lands, given a spear, and told to die for their liege.
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None of my homies will sign up for either side without knowing what's up. If they don't mind signing up with the perpetrator of treason, they can side with him. When I left the fiddle-gee-bees, I made sure it was fine to keep my army of 420 and a hefty lump of gold to strike out on my own. Very thankful to Rhalzo for letting me do that, things might be different on strat had he not. If that hadn't happened, I'd likely sign up for plague.
We offered to let him have a small army, with enough gear for 800 troops and even offered to send him additional gold to upkeep those troops until he could settle else where, This was simply a ploy to damage Hospitaller. But again, thanks for your honesty and understanding on this matter. No bad tensions should come from this outside of our distrust for Plague now. We just hope others do not support him in this 1 fight, after that its all good. He can come back with 3k troops and have Occitan merc for him if they want, but this aggression for self destruction in which can not be stopped is only glorified with every individual who signs up for him with our own troops at stake on both sides.
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Plague Plague Plague what useless tit.
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I think plague's a pretty cool guy, but this just looks like an all around dick move, esp. with him not posting in his own defense or at least refuting that he belligerently seperated from Hosp. I can't in good internet conscience fight for him on this one.
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And he smelled bad too!!!! :evil:
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I think plague's a pretty cool guy, but this just looks like an all around dick move, esp. with him not posting in his own defense or at least refuting that he belligerently seperated from Hosp. I can't in good internet conscience fight for him on this one.
He is a good guy (some what), the fact that he took me to duel server to show me the ropes as a newbie 2h'er was why I really liked him, and he always seemed decent in TS, tho others commented on how arrogant he came off at times. But I do not want this to turn into a bash Plague thread, in game he did a very shady and spiteful thing out of hate for one of our members, and didn't care that it screwed the entire clan in the process, for that we do not trust him or respect him in the Crpg community. Out side of the game I'm sure he is a cool guy that any of us would sit down and have a drink with, but with the internet and total animosity from consequences some times the darkest part of our character comes into play.
That is why I stand by my comment that we wish him well in his personal life, and hope you he can enjoy strat once again. But as for in game, that bounty will follow him until justice has been served :evil: ...... :rolleyes:....... :mrgreen:
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While I understand how frustrating it is to feel cheated of your time as a player, these sort of things are what make Strategus awesome. It's not "Oh, drat. Well that's Strategus." It's "Haha, that scoundrel. He gets it."
Maybe it's just because I'm a Fallen that I appreciate a finely played scheme (or maybe this was on a whim, no matter). But I don't think so, I think this is the kind of game we want to have. Strategus is not a game about swords and armor at all, it's about people. For example, if Game of Thrones was just a book/show about the battles it'd be a hell of a lot less interesting, don't you think? The deceptions and schemes are what give those battles meaning and life.
I'm glad you're taking it well, instead of the inordinately frustrating bitching that often ensues after these sorts of things. Although, perhaps that too is just part of the game.
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He is a good guy (some what), the fact that he took me to duel server to show me the ropes as a newbie 2h'er was why I really liked him, and he always seemed decent in TS, tho others commented on how arrogant he came off at times. But I do not want this to turn into a bash Plague thread, in game he did a very shady and spiteful thing out of hate for one of our members, and didn't care that it screwed the entire clan in the process, for that we do not trust him or respect him in the Crpg community. Out side of the game I'm sure he is a cool guy that any of us would sit down and have a drink with, but with the internet and total animosity from consequences some times the darkest part of our character comes into play.
That is why I stand by my comment that we wish him well in his personal life, and hope you he can enjoy strat once again. But as for in game, that bounty will follow him until justice has been served :evil: ...... :rolleyes:....... :mrgreen:
Isn't that what makes strat fun? I thought previous strats had back stab after back stab. Hell, I think I've even heard of plenty of hospitaller schemes, ploys and betrayals in previous strats.
Anyway, this is your first actual battle since FCC pulled out of your territory, so I'd consider this a good thing overall for strat.
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Plague reminds me of Malicious BRD or even Aegon....havent seen them around lately either. Anyway, this proves he really is a bundle of sticks.
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And as for any claims Plague had, He entered into Hospitaller with 5k gold, not 50k which he will state, during his time as a Hospitaller he did some trade runs which netted him some gold which he now claims needs to be compensated for, but in our eyes gold made while in a clan are for the clan, and is what we all do to keep the faction going as in any other clan out there. We did not want him to leave on bad terms so offered him 5k gold, 300+ troops, and all the gear he had on him , well worth over 60k. He's response was no, He wanted 200k and if we had a problem with that we would have to attack him as he was leaving. We then kicked him from the clan and sent an army after him. I talked to Plague for over 45 mins last night trying to end this reasonably but he was too upset over an incident with a Hospitaller member weeks ago and wanted to do this out of spite. All he could do was laugh at us and say deal with it, attack me if you want cause your the ones getting screwed out of it all, which we are. Its only a matter of how much we will be hurt due to others supporting him in this matter.
First off I'm going to talk about the bolded part.
Yea, Maybe in every OTHER faction, but my 4 man faction(WE GREW BY 1 AGAIN!) each person has to do shit themselves with me helping out where needed(I do have a steady tax income unlike the others) I don't even give them back their tax money from faction castle. My castle, my money.(and they don't care since they'll ask for a loan at some later point, anyways).
What each member does goes both ways. Whatever he makes, he's completely entitled to claiming it. it's HIS work, HIS time, and in some instances, HIS MONEY. Money made is HIS money, but the clan asks to use it to better themselves. It should not be(as you state) the other way around. It's the CLANS money to give out to who THEY please should not be the way you address this. The CLAN is NOT doing the work THIS guy is. Sure you could make someone ELSE do it, but then same thing. You get that gold, and money, and everything else because the players wish it, not because the clan deserves it.
(ALSO, the example you say is to much like a communistic/socialist viewpoint, where as I espouse a capitalist-ish version of it.)
TLDR: Damn Commies, Use Capitalism.
Now on to the bigger picture: why waste 800-1000 soldiers on taking back gear(and having it be lost in condition) to bring justice in. Your net gain loss (assuming 1:1) will be 1600 tickets of gear whereas letting him go costs only 800 tickets of gear. Why would you do that? Just eat the 800 and let him go.
Oh well, you attacked him, so you are even MORE in trouble now. You could lose the army and now lose 1k tickets + because you "had to get him". Is the risk worth it? Is it really worth the 800 tickets of gear to have a chance to REALLY lose 2 armies? Maybe as a big faction you can "eat your losses" but me, and the way smaller groups play, you can't just do that.
TLDR: Stupid to attack him.
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Disagree Anders, and this is strictly my opinion.
You join the faction to be part of the greater good, for a greater goal. Win, lose or draw, it's all for the same end goal. That is what everyone knows before joining our faction. I would agree with you that there are other ways to run a faction, and you can easily incentivize players with capitalism, and the faction can benefit as well. But I believe the "faction" as a whole is weaker when the members are individually stronger (depends on the circumstances obviously).
We're not chocolate chip cookie's (n-a-z-i's), if people don't want to be a part of something that is "for the greater good", they aren't forced to join our faction. I honestly brought it up to our leaders before (when you could transfer strat gold to crpg gold) why don't we try to incentivize new players by giving them a weekly or monthly payment for being in the faction? And their answer (which I agree with) is that is "x" amount gold less we'd have to use for the faction. It really is a math equation, is it better for the faction to use all resources for it's own end game. Or would you potentially attract more people and ultimately gain more resources (but lose some of the profits) by letting people keep some of the profit themselves.
At the end of the day, it's pixels, so what people "own themselves" is irrelevant if you are part of a faction. If you're independent, then of course what you have is what matters. But "what you have" is collective when you're in a faction such as ours.
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First off I'm going to talk about the bolded part.
Yea, Maybe in every OTHER faction, but my 4 man faction(WE GREW BY 1 AGAIN!) each person has to do shit themselves with me helping out where needed(I do have a steady tax income unlike the others) I don't even give them back their tax money from faction castle. My castle, my money.(and they don't care since they'll ask for a loan at some later point, anyways).
What each member does goes both ways. Whatever he makes, he's completely entitled to claiming it. it's HIS work, HIS time, and in some instances, HIS MONEY. Money made is HIS money, but the clan asks to use it to better themselves. It should not be(as you state) the other way around. It's the CLANS money to give out to who THEY please should not be the way you address this. The CLAN is NOT doing the work THIS guy is. Sure you could make someone ELSE do it, but then same thing. You get that gold, and money, and everything else because the players wish it, not because the clan deserves it.
(ALSO, the example you say is to much like a communistic/socialist viewpoint, where as I espouse a capitalist-ish version of it.)
TLDR: Damn Commies, Use Capitalism.
Now on to the bigger picture: why waste 800-1000 soldiers on taking back gear(and having it be lost in condition) to bring justice in. Your net gain loss (assuming 1:1) will be 1600 tickets of gear whereas letting him go costs only 800 tickets of gear. Why would you do that? Just eat the 800 and let him go.
Oh well, you attacked him, so you are even MORE in trouble now. You could lose the army and now lose 1k tickets + because you "had to get him". Is the risk worth it? Is it really worth the 800 tickets of gear to have a chance to REALLY lose 2 armies? Maybe as a big faction you can "eat your losses" but me, and the way smaller groups play, you can't just do that.
TLDR: Stupid to attack him.
We do not work that way, we don't not have individuals do their own thing, if you are in our clan, and participate in strat, you help the faction as a whole, if not there is no need to be a part of our faction and we make that clear. If he is using our S&D and trade he is doing so knowing it is for the factions profit to better suite the clan and not for a bank deposit for when that member chooses to leave. Were are a faction, not a hub for solo traders and personal profit. You may hold different rules as you are merc's, but we do not hold that mentality.
As for letting him get away, we have numerous reason, one is simply retribution for what he did, but others include nipping this in the butt before he can regroup with more troops/gear to come back on us. The fact that he needs to know this will not be accepted regardless of what we may lose, it's just silly to let him get away and potentially cause more harm in the long run with better gear are more coordination. We rather kill that threat while at our doorsteps than to deal with it later on. Hospitaller has always had the mind set that we may lose a fight/war, we may lose more resources that gaining, but we always have our principals, and are more than willing and able to die for them.
I can't speak for the other clans but would imagine if one of their members took 800 equipped troops and threatened to join a hostile faction if they came after him while they tried to run away taunting said faction while doing so, they would be met with the same fate.. but again, that is purely speculation on my part.
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We do not work that way, we don't not have individuals do their own thing, if you are in our clan, and participate in strat, you help the faction as a whole, if not there is no need to be a part of our faction and we make that clear. If he is using our S&D and trade he is doing so knowing it is for the factions profit to better suite the clan and not for a bank deposit for when that member chooses to leave. Were are a faction, not a hub for solo traders and personal profit. You may hold different rules as you are merc's, but we do not hold that mentality.
As for letting him get away, we have numerous reason, one is simply retribution for what he did, but others include nipping this in the butt before he can regroup with more troops/gear to come back on us. The fact that he needs to know this will not be accepted regardless of what we may lose, it's just silly to let him get away and potentially cause more harm in the long run with better gear are more coordination. We rather kill that threat while at our doorsteps than to deal with it later on. Hospitaller has always had the mind set that we may lose a fight/war, we may lose more resources that gaining, but we always have our principals, and are more than willing and able to die for them.
I can't speak for the other clans but would imagine if one of their members took 800 equipped troops and threatened to join a hostile faction if they came after him while they tried to run away taunting said faction while doing so, they would be met with the same fate.. but again, that is purely speculation on my part.
i see what you did there :wink:
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First off I'm going to talk about the bolded part.
Yea, Maybe in every OTHER faction, but my 4 man faction(WE GREW BY 1 AGAIN!) each person has to do shit themselves with me helping out where needed(I do have a steady tax income unlike the others) I don't even give them back their tax money from faction castle. My castle, my money.(and they don't care since they'll ask for a loan at some later point, anyways).
What each member does goes both ways. Whatever he makes, he's completely entitled to claiming it. it's HIS work, HIS time, and in some instances, HIS MONEY. Money made is HIS money, but the clan asks to use it to better themselves. It should not be(as you state) the other way around. It's the CLANS money to give out to who THEY please should not be the way you address this. The CLAN is NOT doing the work THIS guy is. Sure you could make someone ELSE do it, but then same thing. You get that gold, and money, and everything else because the players wish it, not because the clan deserves it.
(ALSO, the example you say is to much like a communistic/socialist viewpoint, where as I espouse a capitalist-ish version of it.)
TLDR: Damn Commies, Use Capitalism.
Now on to the bigger picture: why waste 800-1000 soldiers on taking back gear(and having it be lost in condition) to bring justice in. Your net gain loss (assuming 1:1) will be 1600 tickets of gear whereas letting him go costs only 800 tickets of gear. Why would you do that? Just eat the 800 and let him go.
Oh well, you attacked him, so you are even MORE in trouble now. You could lose the army and now lose 1k tickets + because you "had to get him". Is the risk worth it? Is it really worth the 800 tickets of gear to have a chance to REALLY lose 2 armies? Maybe as a big faction you can "eat your losses" but me, and the way smaller groups play, you can't just do that.
TLDR: Stupid to attack him.
That might work well for your 1 fief faction anders, but when your talking about a larger clan like hospi, the gold is theirs because the village the goods were either sold or purchased in belongs to the clan, or to a clan that hospi leaders had to talk to and do some diplomacy with to get a trade deal. The clan did all the work to obtain either the trade deal, or the village where the goods were purchased. The merchant is just transporting the clans goods, he did nothing to earn them.
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We do not work that way, we don't not have individuals do their own thing, if you are in our clan, and participate in strat, you help the faction as a whole, if not there is no need to be a part of our faction and we make that clear. If he is using our S&D and trade he is doing so knowing it is for the factions profit to better suite the clan and not for a bank deposit for when that member chooses to leave. Were are a faction, not a hub for solo traders and personal profit. You may hold different rules as you are merc's, but we do not hold that mentality.
Perhaps that's what makes my view so much more different. Each person in the clan does there own thing, but it's combined all for the better of all of us. But, if 1 person has trouble(as bacon did some time ago) then it's his job to rebuild it...(or in my case I needed his tax money so I got him restarted cause his tax money is worth more) But each person does what they want because they want to, not because I tell them too. Bacons trade runs were HIS deal, HIS money, HIS Gear, HIS troops. But I made money off of it via taxes(like a tithe almost). I just follow a decentralized plan. If all the other guys were as ACTIVE as I was, we'd actually be doing more than 1 job at a time.
As for letting him get away, we have numerous reason, one is simply retribution for what he did, but others include nipping this in the butt before he can regroup with more troops/gear to come back on us. The fact that he needs to know this will not be accepted regardless of what we may lose, it's just silly to let him get away and potentially cause more harm in the long run with better gear are more coordination. We rather kill that threat while at our doorsteps than to deal with it later on. Hospitaller has always had the mind set that we may lose a fight/war, we may lose more resources that gaining, but we always have our principals, and are more than willing and able to die for them.
I can't speak for the other clans but would imagine if one of their members took 800 equipped troops and threatened to join a hostile faction if they came after him while they tried to run away taunting said faction while doing so, they would be met with the same fate.. but again, that is purely speculation on my part.
Regardless, if he does ANYTHING with those troops besides sit there and recruit it'll be SOMEONE ELSES troops. But I guess, you guys attacked him so it doesn't matter. I think it is a stupid endevor and worthless since, it's 1 guy and even if he does nothing BUT recruit, he can't get huge troop amounts except over time, otherwise, those troops have to come from elsewhere.
That's also why my faction it's each person has their own army. To prevent this.
Oh you wanna go on your own? Fine IDC, your stuff anyway.
Just my opinions. No battle is worth it if you don't come out ahead.
For your pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7jHp7OchP0
That might work well for your 1 fief faction anders, but when your talking about a larger clan like hospi, the gold is theirs because the village the goods were either sold or purchased in belongs to the clan, or to a clan that hospi leaders had to talk to and do some diplomacy with to get a trade deal. The clan did all the work to obtain either the trade deal, or the village where the goods were purchased. The merchant is just transporting the clans goods, he did nothing to earn them.
HEY I'm a 4 man faction, much the same as LL is right now!
But my point stands on some grounds even then. His time, His effort. You're right in that it may not be HIS actual gear, troops, gold, or otherwise. But, in strat, Logistics beats everything else. Sure I can have 1000000k armies, but if no one is willing to spend time, or effort to move shit around, that's just wasted space.
You buy your clan mates time(and time is precious, you have only a limited supply of it, and each persons time is different). Though that's a little TOO philosophical, it's true!
And who's to say that my model wouldn't work for large clans? Personal initiative beats everything else. If Hosp had people who wanted to own what they did and could do it what ever way they like and had to handle the benefits or consequences, would their activity as a whole go up?
TLDR: I'm Talking philosophy about how factions act.
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Plauge joined hosp long after i had left, although from playing in server he seemed kind of like an arrogant dick. Also one time i was bored in duel and teaching some noob how to fight and he asked what clan he should join, i said hospitaller and he said he didnt want to. I ask why and he said they seem like pompous jerks, i said who in the clan is like that, and he said Plauge. Probably better off without imo, having nice respectful people > having good players.
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I miss Lemmy : /
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I blame thugicus
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My orders are to hunt plague down hope they include anders after reading this thread.
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My orders are to hunt plague down hope they include anders after reading this thread.
Considering I'm only discussing how clans act internally, that's an interesting statement.(aside from the stupidity in wasting more gear on the endevour and cutting losses short. Different viewpoints on that)
But come at me bro, you've never actually attacked ME in strat with stuff YOU have earned. Also "stolen," as you have left both clans with a nice dagger in the back plauge style, I don't think you have any reason or right to say that about me.
Now I just hope plague runs towards me so that I can make some money off this endeavor cause a 3AM battle time sucks.
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Considering I'm only discussing how clans act internally, that's an interesting statement.(aside from the stupidity in wasting more gear on the endevour and cutting losses short. Different viewpoints on that)
But come at me bro, you've never actually attacked ME in strat with stuff YOU have earned. Also "stolen," as you have left both clans with a nice dagger in the back plauge style, I don't think you have any reason or right to say that about me.
Now I just hope plague runs towards me so that I can make some money off this endeavor cause a 3AM battle time sucks.
talking about stupid stuff to say... will wait to see what hosp leaders think of this and may grant it so.
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*RP initiated*
I bring sad news, A previous member of Hospitaller has committed to ultimate betrayal.
Plague entered into Hospitaller with the clothes on his back a small amount of gold with hopes of working as a knight, during Plague's time with us he seemed to settle in well and although quiet at times seemed opportunistic and eager to help. With in the last few weeks members began to notice that glare has left his eye, and a sinister smile began to grow. Despite the then, paranoid seeming opinions, Hospitaller decided to equip Plague with his own army and gear to patrol the Hospitaller lands.
Those paranoid opinions are now at our doorstep, Plague with his army were seen marching far north, After threats of leaving Hospitaller a messenger was dispatched! A diplomat was sent out and reached Plague's army hours afterwords, Once the messenger reached Plague the conversation was not well received, Plague then informed our diplomat that he and his army would be attacking all villages north of the steppe! Knowing this was going against the will of Hospitaller the messenger pleaded with the now angry commander to come back to the castle, he would be allowed to leave the faction but would not do so with Hospitaller men and gear, after talks the diplomat offered a solution, Plague would be allowed to keep all of the gear, gold, and men that wanted to follow, Our diplomat even offered an extra sack of gold to keep his remaining troops well fed for weeks to come while leaving our lands. While asking the commanders troops, it was said that 500 of the 830 troops wanted to return home, and did not want to follow there now corrupt commander! Plague refused the offer and stated he would allow to send the gear and men back only if he would be allowed more gold that could be carried by a thousand men! Of course the diplomat told the crazed commander that would just not be possible, and that Hospitaller were offering a good deal, all they asked for was the 500 men to return to their families. Plague then erupted with a story of self importance, and explained he was disciplined by Hospitaller leaders and felt that he must enter into this journey, that he would march his troops to the FCC faction and pledge allegiance to anyone against the Hospitaller clan!
Now as the diplomat realized there was no talking to to angry Plague commander, he left with a message, and that was Hospitaller will allow everything in Plague's possession to stay on him, even though it was Hospitaller made equipment, but the men wanting to leave and return home would not be forgoten, that armies would be dispatched to confront Plague and bring justice to those men.
Plaques only response was that he would rather slay every man than to return a soul safely to Hospitaller land. Plague then raised his sword and with a grunted motion sliced through the diplomat's horse, cutting deep enough to remove its head from its body. While the diplomat covered his side as if to be struck next, Plague simply smiled and stated he would be allowed to live, Only to tell the story of what is to come.
A bounty is now on Plague head, Hospitaller armies are sent to confront the traitor, if Plague happens to escape to EU lands 500 goods will be awarded to any faction that will terminate this traitors life.
*RP terminated*
Long story turned into a semi-quick story
Plague joined Hospitaller, He came to the faction with a little gold and that was it. He had a fight with a member and was upset and threatened to leave the clan, We told him he could leave but would have to make sure to leave all the gear/troops we gave him back, he said that was no problem.. He then started to head away from the steppe, after asking him what he was doing he decided to head north and try and attack Tuetonics or anyone else he wanted, he then said he had enough and wanted to leave the clan, But wanted to keep the gear/troops and help us with strat, But he was headed to our most northern castle where he could run from our armies which was just too shady, Rather than telling him to either give us our stuff back or be attacked, we offered for him to keep everything aside from 500 of his 830+ troops, he could keep all the gear and gold he had on him. He then decided he was worth 200k for his time in Hospitaller as he did solo trade runs while in the clan and that money should be his.
There was no reasoning with him and it almost sounded like this was planned and he was trying to merge with a hostile faction to spite this encounter with certain Hospitaller member, regardless of dragging the entire Hospitaller faction into it. So now armies are going after him.
***If Plague is warped to EU lands, Hospitaller are offering 500 goods from the steppe on the NA side for each time he is killed or until this contract runs out at a later time. If seen on NA side other commodities will be offered to any faction that kills him.***
I know this may seem extreme but we feel as if a nice bounty system would make things a little more entertaining, we wish Plague the best and hope he can find a clan that better suites him, but as for his time in Hospitaller with in the last few weeks it was obvious he wanted to do his own thing, and has a vendetta against our entire clan because of a few individuals and is now doing anything destructive for spite.
MY RESPONSE:
1.Ultimate Betrayal??? lol are you kidding i didnt betray anyone!!! You guys attacked me when i didnt drop troops off at the right destination.....
2.Small amount of gold.......No i had 50k or more 500 troops and gear which 1 of the Hospitaller leaders stripped off me as soon as i came to Hosp land and joined you guys.....Talk about a welcome
3.Marching north? Yea i told you guys i was going to Sungetche castle to drop my stuff off haha you then said if i didnt head directly back to Tulbuk i would be attacked O_O Here is the Logs:
<20:31:10> "Plague": No the deal is totally fair
<20:31:16> "Plague": i said im going to sit in sungetche
<20:31:37> "Plague": where i can then drop off everything
<20:33:33> "Plague": u get that?
<20:33:44> "-Devestater-": peppo says to go back to tulbuk castle
<20:34:03> "-Devestater-": or we will retrieve the gear now
<20:35:17> "-Devestater-": We will stay true to the deal if it is on our terms.
<20:43:23> "-Devestater-": you have the choice. go back to tuluk castle and take the deal or will not make it to sungetche. that is a promise.
4. I came with 500 troops 50k gold and gear and gave them away as soon as i joined the faction and after serving for 4 or more months i try to leave peacefully with a little more and i get threatened and attacked.........How is that even close to being justifible? I didnt steal anything haha it was given to me!
5. I never was going to FCC lol i was going to Help Frisia since they were under attack.........Ask them about it, I was trying to help out a new small faction.............Sorry
6.Not angry, dont understand where you get that hahaha ive been calm and understanding throughout all of this even when you attacked me its just a game guys!!!!!!!!!!!
7.All of that is a lie haha you guys had 2 armies chase me down to kill me........I was never violent to Aztek/Devilize/Peppovitch at any point and you know that dont try to make up lies!
8.LOL now that is being mad....500 goods to kill me hahahaha O man when i said id give the stuff back haha
9.I left your clan to be alone/solo nothing more.........and nothing was planned
10. Finally ill tell my story which i also told in TS :
<20:22:09> "Plague": Join a clan i hear is hated by everyone so i can help them and as soon as i join i have to give away all my stuff i worked hard for to the leaders......Then after doing nothing in strat no orders or anything i decide to go do my own trading runs then out of nowhere some random guy (Krosis) tells me to cut the shit and go to new ichamur or wheatever and when i get there i have to hand over all my gold ive made over the last 2 months and then i do a bunch of stuff for devestater and what do i get in return? FUcking yelled at by that asshole for no reason whatsoever................
<20:53:28> "Plague": Hes a bad leader and that is that
<20:53:30> "Aztek": But your fucking over all of us for one guy being a dick to you : /
<20:53:34> "Plague": he does not handle stuff well
<20:53:41> "Aztek": I agree, as does Peppo
lol the other leader agrees Dev is a bad leader and does not handle stuff well....
Devestater is what makes people leave the Hospitallers hes a very bad leader and that is why i left no other reason but that! He calls people horrible fucked up names because he is having troubles in real life and that just did not sit well with me!
I liked almost everyone in the Hospitallers but that guy, and had no problems with any of them so i dont understand why Aztek,Huseby,Goretooth and others are Flamming me and shitting on me in this thread......Seems kinda fucked up to me when i did nothing to any of them.......
I now understand why the hospitallers are one of the most hated clans in CRPG i got a first look and im sorry it ended this way, I tried to leave on good terms and give them their stuff back but if it was not on their terms they were going to attack me and all that.....
I know im not the most friendly guy in game but if you know me over TS/Vent you know im lovable and friendly and i would never betray anyone, I know im an asshole though to other clans and people but thats just cause im fucking stupid and outrageous sometimes nothing more!!!...........
That is my story believe it or not as i see it im friendly/neutral with every clan but Hospitallers now if otherwise please let me know!!!
I would now ask for all of this Flamming and bullshit to end its very childish and i dont see why its needed i would never act like this! I hope all of you feel like big tough internet guys now =D
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When did I flame or insult you plague?
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You never left on good terms, You told us you were taking what was yours and that we would have to attack you to get it back, You then followed by taunting us saying you would join FCC and fight for them every time if we came after you. Peppo and I.. and most of the Hospitaller for that matter can admit Dev is not great with people skills, Hell even Dev will admit that, But you went about this all wrong. You can not say you were going to drop off everything at one sungetche that was near a faction that you promised an army to, mean while you could have dropped it off at tulbuk which you were right beside. We are not mad, we may be disappointed in your actions but that's it. We offered you a great deal, all we wanted was 500 troops back but you demanded 200k.. I even offered you money from Tulga which I own with out the others knowing just to see if we could work things out but you were set in your ways and were high tailing it out of the steppe. We already have confirmation from numerous clans that you were offering armies, and even threatening to attack other factions if they did not hand over villages to you with threats of massive armies attacking, So you obviously had this all planed out.
Regardless its all over with, You will be attacked as you did not want to work with us what so ever, You admitted to me your doing this because Dev pissed you off, and didn't care about anything else. You said you were leaving the clan and then tried rushing out of our land with everything Dev gave you.. Spin in how ever you like, I think its obvious to most what happened here.
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When did I flame or insult you plague?
I guess you didnt i apologize haha u just need to hunt me down and kill me hahahahaha so thats okay!
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I guess you didnt i apologize haha u just need to hunt me down and kill me hahahahaha so thats okay!
just following the orders they gave me. Wasn't there when this took place or do I know much of what happened but was very close to act.
I would rather go after anders for wall of txting this thread about himself
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devesteting stery brether
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You never left on good terms, You told us you were taking what was yours and that we would have to attack you to get it back, You then followed by taunting us saying you would join FCC and fight for them every time if we came after you. Peppo and I.. and most of the Hospitaller for that matter can admit Dev is not great with people skills, Hell even Dev will admit that, But you went about this all wrong. You can not say you were going to drop off everything at one sungetche that was near a faction that you promised an army to, mean while you could have dropped it off at tulbuk which you were right beside. We are not mad, we may be disappointed in your actions but that's it. We offered you a great deal, all we wanted was 500 troops back but you demanded 200k.. I even offered you money from Tulga which I own with out the others knowing just to see if we could work things out but you were set in your ways and were high tailing it out of the steppe. We already have confirmation from numerous clans that you were offering armies, and even threatening to attack other factions if they did not hand over villages to you with threats of massive armies attacking, So you obviously had this all planed out.
Regardless its all over with, You will be attacked as you did not want to work with us what so ever, You admitted to me your doing this because Dev pissed you off, and didn't care about anything else. You said you were leaving the clan and then tried rushing out of our land with everything Dev gave you.. Spin in how ever you like, I think its obvious to most what happened here.
Ummmmm do you listen to yourself talk man? I did take what was mine and you guys did not like that so you decided to go to war with 1 man...........Its as simple as that! And when i say FCC i mean Frisia if they even are FCC....Idk but i like them haha. And okay i feel like i handled it right: I left the clan a week ago, made my own banner, no1 said anything till yesterday when i started moving in strat and yea i said i was going to drop the stuff off at sungetche castle and you all decided not to believe me that is your fault!
Lol yea im getting attacked but whatever your attacking your own stuff how does that even make sense in your minds???? Strat does not matter to me i like to play the game but you guys are freaking out and starting forum stuff like little bitchs and trying to ruin my reputation! Guess what my reputation is horrible hahahahaha and i dont give a fuck cause anyone that actually knows me knows that im friendly and dont betray people just rage and get mad hahaha. So dont try and twist and turn stuff around to make me look like the bad guy when thats not true! Im honestly sick of this forum bitching and crying so im done here if you all want to continue crying and flamming then i guess "Flame on" hahahahahaha
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you guys are freaking out and starting forum stuff like little bitchs and trying to ruin my reputation! Guess what my reputation is horrible hahahahaha
bitchs
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bitchs
I dont know why i ever doubted this guy i changed my mind hes fucking awesome!^^^ Especially with the 1 word and sentence comments!
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I dont know why i ever doubted this guy i changed my mind hes fucking awesome!^^^ Especially with the 1 word and sentence comments!
he comes from Goretooth s school of posting
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OI can you like...not use type 28 text and colors? Ugh. Least it's REAL easy to read.
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OI can you like...not use type 28 text and colors? Ugh. Least it's REAL easy to read.
I don't know how your clan operates, but in our clan everyone is free to post however they like, so stop being such a tyrannical bastard, you cookie-eating freedom-hating hippy commie.
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OI can you like...not use type 28 text and colors? Ugh. Least it's REAL easy to read.
Goretooth please do attack Anders hahahahaha
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I don't know how your clan operates, but in our clan everyone is free to post however they like, so stop being such a tyrannical bastard, you cookie-eating freedom-hating hippy commie.
I'm only asking! If I was a dictator I'd say "CHANGE YOUR DAMN TEXT NOW!". Instead I'm appealing to his sense of self and asking with a earnest face and puppy dog eyes.
Damn fallen, go be bad guys else where.
just following the orders they gave me. Wasn't there when this took place or do I know much of what happened but was very close to act.
I would rather go after anders for wall of txting this thread about himself
I might have to go make another wall of Text again. Leik Sierously!
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Lol at Devestater -1ing all my posts hahahahaha
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You got us Plague, hahahha. You took our stuff and ran with away cause you were scared, hahahaha. Were all super mad and your really calm, hahahahah. We are silly and you are not, hahahaha! Your really nice and were big meanie heads! hahahahah.
Did I do that right? :rolleyes:
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You got us Plague, hahahha. You took our stuff and ran with away cause you were scared, hahahaha. Were all super mad and your really calm, hahahahah. We are silly and you are not, hahahaha! Your really nice and were big meanie heads! hahahahah.
Did I do that right? :rolleyes:
Flawless!!!!!
lol i dont even care if you guys want to be mad or sad or whatever so be it but after this upcoming battle no matter what i have no bad blood but if u want to continue with ur threats and attacks ok then!
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Flawless!!!!!
lol i dont even care if you guys want to be mad or sad or whatever so be it but after this upcoming battle no matter what i have no bad blood but if u want to continue with ur threats and attacks ok then!
See, You taught me more than your swing attack, which I still haven't mastered.. but no hard feelings after this.. You did screw over the entire clan by forcing this so we will need to have fun with it for a while longer with the bounty.. But as strat goes, there will more more drama with another issue soon to follow, that is certain!
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See, You taught me more than your swing attack, which I still haven't mastered.. but no hard feelings after this.. You did screw over the entire clan by forcing this so we will need to have fun with it for a while longer with the bounty.. But as strat goes, there will more more drama with another issue soon to follow, that is certain!
Haha and i didnt force anything i said what i would do and u decided not to trust what i said and it lead to this and u know thats true!!!!And this will be done and over in like 5 hours hahaha after the battle and as for the bounty system.........lulz
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Do you not see how silly that seems? You tell us you will give everything back, but only after you get close enough to a faction you promised "Our" troops to? You could have kept everything minus a few troops but you said no, and went on to say you deserve what you were leaving with, and would give it back if we gave you 200k for a trade run you did while under our banner.. but we are to just trust you and that you will give it all back once you get far enough away that we wouldn't be able to stop you?
regardless, what's done is done. Its for others to either judge you for this, chalk it up to us over hyping an internal incident, or to just check in on the drama, which I'm sure 99% are at this point! :mrgreen: