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Title: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 22, 2013, 11:43:30 pm
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knockdown chance tweak ( specially on 1handed its very op righ tnow )\
throwing damage tweak ( 5 pt hits harder than 7 ps on most weapons )
glance rearing from polearms ( having a rear from a glance is just bs imo. polearms that react to late and glance but still get the rear in)
(glance knockdown if its still in, havent experienced it lately)
arrow damage to shields ( shields break to eazy from arrows, tested on 6 shieldskill char)

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Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Rainbow on January 22, 2013, 11:45:27 pm
Go on...
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Leshma on January 22, 2013, 11:46:03 pm
Not to mention that everyone and their mothers have a crossbow as sidearm, just like in the good old days.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Osiris on January 23, 2013, 12:14:27 am
rufio is a biased cunt
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Haboe on January 23, 2013, 12:39:48 am
Not to mention that everyone and their mothers have a crossbow as sidearm, just like in the good old days.

In the good old days i had 6 trowing lances as my sidearm next to my flamberge... Not all of us used that slow piece of junk-xbow back then  :mrgreen:


Also, powertrow should have a higher bonus on its damage. You can't go endlessly high (pure str) due to the wpf limit thingy.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Panos on January 23, 2013, 12:45:02 am
rufio you need to shut your mouth.

God all you 2hander my old friends get on my nervs when you cry about how OP all other classes are.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Osiris on January 23, 2013, 01:37:13 am
I am quite happy with the current balance.

1h knockdown isnt any higher than a barmace or that god damn 2h tiny mace :D

The only balance i think needs to be improved is Archery. Loomed archers deal massive damage but unloomed archers deal next to nothing. A cav ran into a tree below me yesterday and i shot him in the neck near point blank with a horn bow and tatar arrows. it bounced right off :/

Archery needs a base damage buff but the looms need tweaking to bring it down a little. just imo
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Leshma on January 23, 2013, 01:49:02 am
Throwing is broken because those damn heavy axes deal the same damage as throwing lances on average.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Andy on January 23, 2013, 04:43:59 am
IMO I feel that throwing should do more damage...
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 12:49:27 pm
go hang in 1 of your 1000 bullshit threads panos piss nab. also why would a 1 hander have to have the same knockdown as a barmace for it to be ballanced?? barmace is an unballanced weapon with way more risk to it, and cant be used with shield, your judgement is flawed.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Panos on January 23, 2013, 12:57:14 pm
go hang in 1 of your 1000 bullshit threads panos piss nab. also why would a 1 hander have to have the same knockdown as a barmace for it to be ballanced?? barmace is an unballanced weapon with way more risk to it, and cant be used with shield, your judgement is flawed.

You cry about how OP throwdown is and I am the nub??

rofl, man up a bit you lolstabbing cunt.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 12:59:53 pm
i hardly ever play my main but ok panos , heres a gif for you, maybe your inbreed brain will comprehend howmuch your oppinion affects me.
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Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Panos on January 23, 2013, 01:04:57 pm
i hardly ever play my main but ok panos , heres a gif for you, maybe your inbreed brain will comprehend howmuch your oppinion affects me.
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I sense some agitation in you.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Rebelyell on January 23, 2013, 01:06:22 pm
barmace is same op like warhamer and other blunt weapons

knockdown should be only after hold

but to be honest 97 speed and 34 blunt... that is really much
barmace is unbalanced and really short for 2h weapon, short bit slow weapon

Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 01:10:32 pm
you arent sensing me, your brain is sensing itself and is working hard to figure out how to be a little cunt in its next glorious move of bs posting.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 23, 2013, 01:11:04 pm
rufio you need to shut your mouth.

God all you 2hander my old friends get on my nervs when you cry about how OP all other classes are.

Funny that you say that considering all the nerf threads you make which atleast to me most of them are completely stupid.

Knockdown does need some tweaking, that damn barmace.. i swear it knocks me over 99% of the time. As for one handers i think flanged mace has a good percentage of knockdown, atleast from experience using it, it doesnt knockdown often enough to be op but still does from time to time. I dont think the knockdown should increase with weight, instead all be the same as the flanged maces %, and maybe buff the speed/damage a bit to compensate.

Throwing should not be nerfed, it is good as it is.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Panos on January 23, 2013, 01:11:16 pm
you arent sensing me, your brain is sensing itself and is working hard to figure out how to be a little cunt in its next glorious move of bs posting.

Someone is really really mad.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Panos on January 23, 2013, 01:13:40 pm
Funny that you say that considering all the nerf threads you make which atleast to me most of them are completely stupid.

Knockdown does need some tweaking, that damn barmace.. i swear it knocks me over 99% of the time. As for one handers i think flanged mace has a good percentage of knockdown, atleast from experience using it, it doesnt knockdown often enough to be op but still does from time to time. I dont think the knockdown should increase with weight, instead all be the same as the flanged maces %, and maybe buff the speed/damage a bit to compensate.

Throwing should not be nerfed, it is good as it is.

Fixing pike/lspear hug thrust and lolstab stupid??

Oh yeah!! You are 2hander..
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 01:16:11 pm
because 2handers have to press 1 button to kill every thing they have secret cheat instagib skill. go fuck yourself panos shitnab fuck shit.
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Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Torben on January 23, 2013, 01:17:43 pm
+1 feels like i get knocked down more often by 1handers then 2h, pole and horses combined.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Paul on January 23, 2013, 02:55:31 pm
Ye, because you more likely die when a blunt 2h hits you compared to a blunt 1h. This thread is so full of final stage lobbyism, it ain't even funny anymore. I mean, don't you see that? Even if one is a completely reason-resistant lobbyist for his own class, he should see the retarded lobbyism from the other classes and that should make him think: If they are that blind, maybe I am blind too? Maybe listen more to those who play all classes evenly without bias.

I do. I think knockdown is fine as it is. Same for throwing. With the exception that I think that we need jump throwing back.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Umbra on January 23, 2013, 03:00:39 pm
Yea lets nerf throwing to the ground again, lets fuck up those 5 people who actualy use it on a regular basis  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Gravoth_iii on January 23, 2013, 03:04:08 pm
Fixing pike/lspear hug thrust and lolstab stupid??

Oh yeah!! You are 2hander..

2her? huh.. last time i checked i was a hoplite..
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Grumbs on January 23, 2013, 03:32:28 pm
Ye, because you more likely die when a blunt 2h hits you compared to a blunt 1h. This thread is so full of final stage lobbyism, it ain't even funny anymore. I mean, don't you see that? Even if one is a completely reason-resistant lobbyist for his own class, he should see the retarded lobbyism from the other classes and that should make him think: If they are that blind, maybe I am blind too? Maybe listen more to those who play all classes evenly without bias.

I do. I think knockdown is fine as it is. Same for throwing. With the exception that I think that we need jump throwing back.

I'm sure I come across as a huge lobyist, but for me I consider intra melee balance very separately from melee/range melee/cav balance. They're whole separate balance issues and its not really fair to disregard people's points like they're anti everything thats not their class just because they have strong views on certain aspects. I'm sure others feel similarly too when it comes to melee vs melee balance. In the OP he even says "especially" for 1 handers, implying a general nerf to knockdown.

I don't have strong views on particular melee vs melee balance, I think its not too bad. But I do think knockdown with 1 handers/mace can be silly atm. For a 2 hander or polearm you have to weigh the pro's/con's of Unbalanced stat, slower weapon speed, no shield breaker stat etc. 1 handers are never slow whether you put wpf into them or not and their length is generally very comparable to other 1 handers with similar damage. If you want knockdown you don't really sacrifice much for it, and it does very good damage to higher armour guys and the speed means you are more likely to get extra hits in which means more chances to proc knockdown, and more hits while someone is knock down. Its also the preferred weapon type for most ranged just because a random knockdown can save your life and allow you to run away or finish someone off, and because there isn't much of a trade off for not having some knockdown chance. I put Mace in the same category since its virtually a 1 hander anyway just with 2 hand wpf.. To me its a little too strong for whats used by highly defensive characters like shielders or ranged. I never liked knockdown as an ability anyway, it its nerfed for 1 handers I'd be happy for it to be nerfed for all melee if it must be

In the scheme of things though its a more minor balance point to me
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 03:50:45 pm
Yea lets nerf throwing to the ground again, lets fuck up those 5 people who actualy use it on a regular basis  :rolleyes:

you havent been on eu1 lateley have you, nearly all classes played are ranged, or hybrid ranged. cav.

also sidenote to paul, i might be biased,  but i play most classes myself, and i am posting this with global ballance in mind.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Umbra on January 23, 2013, 04:02:30 pm
Yea there is a lot of ranged: archers & xbowmen. You will never see more than 2 or 3 dedicated throwers, unless some clan is trolling with STF alts
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Kafein on January 23, 2013, 04:05:05 pm
Rufio your ability to call 1h hammers OP when 2h have barmaces and poles have poleaxes is baffling.

It's like you are crying because there exists 1h weapons that can kill in less than 10 hits. How dare them ? Nerf that shit !
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 04:42:19 pm
i play one hander most of the time, and long ago ive concluded you are a nab kafein. your arguments are totally irrelevent , and your statements are pure stupidness and very over exagarated thus far.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Molly on January 23, 2013, 04:43:15 pm
you havent been on eu1 lateley have you, nearly all classes played are ranged, or hybrid ranged. cav.

also sidenote to paul, i might be biased,  but i play most classes myself, and i am posting this with global ballance in mind.
7PT, 120 wpf, MW throwing lances... I am lucky if people die by 2 body hits with those stats. Most keep standing after 3... so piss off with throwing doing too much damage while 2 2h-sideswings finish 80% of playerbase.

[...] Same for throwing. With the exception that I think that we need jump throwing back.
I hope that you're annoying cmp with this all day cuz it actually breaks a lot of game play for throwers and screws them sideways on top of it. We lack accuracy, we lack ammo and sometimes the damage is a joke when even a head shot isn't a kill. Being able to jump-throw over the first line of infantry is vital for throwers!
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Panos on January 23, 2013, 05:33:50 pm
i play one hander most of the time, and long ago ive concluded you are a nab kafein. your arguments are totally irrelevent , and your statements are pure stupidness and very over exagarated thus far.

rufio you are clearly mad, you start insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

Clearly mad.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 05:39:13 pm
im insane. still my reaction to kafein is what it is because he posts this kind of reaction in eny of my threads : your crying man  1 hander underpowered man , takes 10 hits man, 2 handed kill all man, im baffled man you are so wrong man.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Panos on January 23, 2013, 05:40:18 pm
im insane. still my reaction to kafein is what it is because he posts this kind of reaction in eny of my threads : your crying man  1 hander underpowered man , takes 10 hits man, 2 handed kill all man, im baffled man you are so wrong man.

you`re.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Falka on January 23, 2013, 05:43:46 pm
Reading or posting about ballance is a bloody waste of time. Even Leshma's suggestions are more reasonable than yours QQufio. And yours QQanos.

it ain't even funny anymore
I would "+1000" if I could, but I can't so I won't  :?
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Molly on January 23, 2013, 05:47:38 pm
I always liked QQufio but QQanos is nice too - I am torn...
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Jarlek on January 23, 2013, 06:24:09 pm
Ye, because you more likely die when a blunt 2h hits you compared to a blunt 1h. This thread is so full of final stage lobbyism, it ain't even funny anymore. I mean, don't you see that? Even if one is a completely reason-resistant lobbyist for his own class, he should see the retarded lobbyism from the other classes and that should make him think: If they are that blind, maybe I am blind too? Maybe listen more to those who play all classes evenly without bias.

I do. I think knockdown is fine as it is. Same for throwing. With the exception that I think that we need jump throwing back.
Finally someone else who gets it. Can't count the number of times I've explained this to people.

+1 to the rest too.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 23, 2013, 06:26:13 pm
Well I personally think throwing weapons deal too much damage.  Why would a thrown axe do more damage than an axe you swing that is still attached to your arm (and has your body anchored behind it)?  Why would a throwing spear do more damage than a spear that is still attached to someones' arm and has their full body weight behind it?
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Berserkadin on January 23, 2013, 06:27:37 pm
Every time you notice rufio posted a new thread in the suggestion corner, you know you will get to read some mad shit.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 06:28:46 pm
you`re.

haha you´re is you are you dumbfuck
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Joseph Porta on January 23, 2013, 06:32:21 pm
The only problm i have with throwing is the crazy amount of projectiles they carry around.
Heavy throwing axes 2 ammo would be ideal, and would make throwers more carefull with their ammo, now they just fucking throw shit in all directions.

But thats just me.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Jarlek on January 23, 2013, 06:33:56 pm
haha you´re is you are you dumbfuck
So you were talking about "your crying man" as in "kafeins crying man"? Kafein has a man that cries for him? That shit makes no sense :/
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Berserkadin on January 23, 2013, 06:36:23 pm
Go home rufio, you're drunk.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 06:36:48 pm
aaw snap, all go fuck yourselves. my OP is best thing to hit this subforum ever, go fondle your diddly holes.
if you think im wrong come duel my 1 hander stf. followers of fairypanos
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Berserkadin on January 23, 2013, 06:40:21 pm
Hey I told you to go home man, you're to drunk! You're not welcome in this pub anylonger, don't make me call the cops on you!
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 06:41:37 pm
get out of my house you
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Molly on January 23, 2013, 07:15:32 pm
Well I personally think throwing weapons deal too much damage.  Why would a thrown axe do more damage than an axe you swing that is still attached to your arm (and has your body anchored behind it)?  Why would a throwing spear do more damage than a spear that is still attached to someones' arm and has their full body weight behind it?
They simply don't...
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 23, 2013, 07:25:03 pm
I agree, but in game they do :P
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Panos on January 23, 2013, 07:38:01 pm
haha you´re is you are you dumbfuck

So you were talking about "your crying man" as in "kafeins crying man"? Kafein has a man that cries for him? That shit makes no sense :/

this.

aaw snap, all go fuck yourselves. my OP is best thing to hit this subforum ever, go fondle your diddly holes.
if you think im wrong come duel my 1 hander stf. followers of fairypanos

hahahaha wow dude I`m starting to think that you have some serious mental issues.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 07:40:46 pm
maybe i have, but to relieve you from doubt., i must say i dont really mean for you to go fuck yourselves and fondle yourselves, i wish you all a good day
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Panos on January 23, 2013, 07:41:41 pm
I guess mommy never hugged you much  :twisted:
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: rufio on January 23, 2013, 07:45:30 pm
she actually did, but if you want me to be serieus on forum towards you and people like zlish, kafein and zapper please ask me so , because currently i just talk bs because whenever you guys join one of my threads it becomes a joke. as you can see after your first post. i stop caring and start the trollbs wagon.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Molly on January 23, 2013, 07:57:39 pm
I agree, but in game they do :P
7PT, 120 wpf, MW throwing lances... I am lucky if people die by 2 body hits with those stats. Most keep standing after 3... so piss off with throwing doing too much damage while 2 2h-sideswings finish 80% of playerbase.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 23, 2013, 08:07:50 pm
The only way a 2hander is 2hitting anyone is if they have 9 ps and 130 WPF, or if they hit your face.  From my experience playing, people do way more damage to me with throwing weapons, than your average person with power strike does to me with a similar weapon that is held.
Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: Kafein on January 23, 2013, 08:15:42 pm
im insane. still my reaction to kafein is what it is because he posts this kind of reaction in eny of my threads : your crying man  1 hander underpowered man , takes 10 hits man, 2 handed kill all man, im baffled man you are so wrong man.

I think you got your explanation. Good analysis though.

Title: Re: needed tweaks
Post by: BlueKnight on January 24, 2013, 02:11:10 am
Rufio your ability to call 1h hammers OP when 2h have barmaces and poles have poleaxes is baffling.

It's like you are crying because there exists 1h weapons that can kill in less than 10 hits. How dare them ? Nerf that shit !
Sometimes when you say something Kafein it calls for answer. Especially that part:"can kill in less than 10 hits"... really?
BlueBerry - 1hit of ncs - 95% hp gone
somebody - 1hit of italian sword - 90% hp gone
sb - 1hit of warhammer + sb else 1hit of steel pick - died
sb - 1hit of warhammer + knockdown - ...
same with longsword to be honest...

These were the examples that happened to me. 1h damage can be average but can be totally huge like with any other weapon.

I have 24str 3if 53h 61b 49l armour. A fact that you run with low ps or some crap doesn't mean that 1h hits like a pussy also it's easier to hit the enemy when you are 1h because of the faster swings and right swing's reach is length of weapon + length of straight arm so often 1h have similar reach to greatsword users.

I know that it's known but I also know that for some people it's total heresy and if those people don't believe they can go to duel server and by 1 person standing still and blocking they can keep attacking with different weapons from same distance and compare swings of the different weapons.

Also Molly, I have 8 PS, MW German etc. and it's actually true, people die after 2 hits or more and when I can I keep aiming for head with swings and stabs or when the enemy has shitty leg armour - for the legs. In like 90% of cases when sb dies after 2 hits it's at least 1 to the head. I am totally surprised when somebody that seems to have full hp dies from 1 hit but that's the perfectly held for around 0,5 sec overhead right in the face and those guys usually don't wear that good head armour and for sure aren't filled with IF