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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: spl00gedon on January 07, 2013, 06:47:47 am

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Post by: spl00gedon on January 07, 2013, 06:47:47 am
Riddle me this.... I get one shotted by one hander horsemen with schimitars but can take a couch and a stab from a heavy lance?
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Post by: no_rules_just_play on January 07, 2013, 12:16:17 pm
i played on my cav alt, hadnt played it since a long time. i was with the fallens in ts and they were in the opposite team, so i wanted to couch jtobiasm. I charged on him down a almost flat hill with my heavy lance, on a rouncey and with 5 riding. I couched him but for some insane reason, he didnt die????
he claimed i had hit him in the head, he wears no head armor, and is a archer in tribal warrior outfit. insanity.
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Post by: Teeth on January 07, 2013, 12:30:31 pm
Why should the incredibly strong lances have a one shotting crushtrough attack as well?

Couch lances are for couching.
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Post by: naduril on January 07, 2013, 12:47:33 pm
Because archer should be dead after couching, Teeth, thats the common sense. And now there is no sense in couching with Heavy Lance, Lance or Light Lance. As after it the char is stunned and cant attack or block for a while but the amount of damage deffirs from standart hit not much.
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Post by: Teeth on January 07, 2013, 12:55:16 pm
Because archer should be dead after couching, Teeth, thats the common sense. And now there is no sense in couching with Heavy Lance, Lance or Light Lance. As after it the char is stunned and cant attack or block for a while but the amount of damage deffirs from standart hit not much.
Exactly, couched hit does not do much more damage than a stab hit. Still it has a use, you can't block a couch. So you use the couch only for those perpetual downblockers. Couch lances are for the one shot kill couch, normal lances have a couch to kill downblockers. Perfectly balanced unlike before. Don't use common sense as an argument in this game.
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Post by: Smoothrich on January 07, 2013, 01:38:18 pm
Heavy lance couching used to be, without a doubt, the most OP thing in the game.  It was simply the best, most powerful weapon against every other class in every scenario.  It was around the fourth most damaging polearm on all of EU's servers combined.  IN MELEE MODE ONLY.  Mounted + dismounted heavy lance damage was equal to every other polearm in the game combined, if I recall, every month.

Now all the lances are just "overpowered" instead of "broken."  Only the Heavy Lance feels decent balance wise.
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Post by: Spa_geh_tea on January 07, 2013, 06:25:57 pm
The devs found a clever way to remove couching from thrusting lances.

*applause*  :D
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Post by: Haboe on January 07, 2013, 11:19:58 pm
Why do you think 1h should be weaker then lance?


Also, a bad placed lance wont kill you where a 1h with full speed bonus in your face will ofc kill you.


Simple ragetopic? :)
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Post by: Joseph Porta on January 07, 2013, 11:24:47 pm
Because archer should be dead after couching, Teeth, thats the common sense. And now there is no sense in couching with Heavy Lance, Lance or Light Lance. As after it the char is stunned and cant attack or block for a while but the amount of damage deffirs from standart hit not much.
hey look teeth, you got a nice color to your name.

You're so special! :D
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Post by: Kafein on January 08, 2013, 06:21:02 pm
It was simply the best, most powerful weapon against every other class in every scenario.

Then you find anyone that saw you coming.
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Post by: Smoothrich on January 08, 2013, 07:40:09 pm
Then you find anyone that saw you coming.

Too bad the heavy lance outranges almost every melee weapon, even with couching.  You could safely swerve, couch and insta kill every 2hander in the game, no matter how they tried to juke, evade, or counter attack you.  Thrust outranges hoplites using war spears and 2hand thrusts as well.
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Post by: Kafein on January 08, 2013, 08:12:09 pm
Too bad the heavy lance outranges almost every melee weapon, even with couching.  You could safely swerve, couch and insta kill every 2hander in the game, no matter how they tried to juke, evade, or counter attack you.  Thrust outranges hoplites using war spears and 2hand thrusts as well.

I remember a long time ago I sweared I wouldn't argue with you even about the color of the sky during the day. Guess what I failed.
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Post by: Araxiel on January 09, 2013, 09:34:00 pm
Buff couching damage but also increase its cooldown up to 1 minute to force players use it clever, not to whore around while pressing X.
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Post by: Adamar on January 09, 2013, 11:13:01 pm
Couched lances should kill anything, at the expence of the lance getting stuck in the enemy's body, like a projectile.
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Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on January 10, 2013, 10:17:58 am
Then you find anyone that saw you coming.

Maybe if you are atrocious at Cavalry, any semi-competent cav beats any other class 1v1 if they have a weapon shorter than a long awlpike.
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Post by: Teeth on January 10, 2013, 11:11:50 am
Maybe if you are atrocious at Cavalry, any semi-competent cav beats any other class 1v1 if they have a weapon shorter than a long awlpike.
I am willing to disprove this point any day.
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Post by: Torben on January 10, 2013, 11:22:30 am
I am willing to disprove this point any day.

i didnt want to get into the NA shit again,  so I am most pleased to read this.  +1 good sir.  jolly fine.
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Post by: spl00gedon on January 24, 2013, 07:21:14 am
Why do you think 1h should be weaker then lance?


Also, a bad placed lance wont kill you where a 1h with full speed bonus in your face will ofc kill you.


Simple ragetopic? :)

Well first and foremost... I wasn't arguing bad lance placement vs perfect 1h swing placement.  You're more than welcome to refer to my original post for clarification.  Also, I'm not going to try to explain the physics of it in my own words.  Just look up the definition of pressure and apply the formula to the areas of impact for both weapons.  That should show you why a pierce damage lance shouldn't 3 shot me in armor when a swing from a schimitar kills me in 1 swing.

Let me just start my actual month late response by saying this.  In no way, shape, or form, do I think cav is not OP.  It is ABSOLUTELY OP.  However, I believe that gold is a perfect deterrent for keeping 70% of the people who play this game away from cavalry gens.  The counter argument to that is "blah blah blah people who have played this game long enough have the money to pay for it".  To that I say this:  A) Most of them suck once they actually try it.  B) Most of them grow bored of it after one gen. C) Not everyone who has the money for cav wants to play it. D) If someone has been playing this game long enough to have to gold to pay for cav gen after gen THEY'VE EARNED IT.   Continuing on, a lot of the people who play this game have a hard on for "realism" so I find it rather curious that people bitch about cav so much since it was OP IRL.  There was a reason jousting tournaments were held in higher regard than any sporting events in "civilized" European nations during much of the first millenium.  It was because Lancer Cavalry was the DEADLIEST weapon known to earth at the time.  In all the months or years (I forget) that I've played this game I have never once bitched about anything being "OP" or "Broken" etc.  NEVER HAVE I EVER asked for something to be nerfed, buffed, or changed at all.  I would listen to all the nerds bitch and moan on the forums and laugh.  I've finally broken ladies... 1h cav should not be able to one shot me with a schimitar while I'm wearing armor.  Period.  Personally I don't see why couches aren't blockable.  Would have been an easy fix instead of going into the fallback nerf everything mode.  Which of course always ends up going full circle and un-nerfing many of the things previously bitched about and nerfed in the first place because people bitch about everything in this game.  But it iz wut it iz.  Alas, this was, is, and will be: my first and last nerdrage post.  Hope this message reaches someone who can at least explain why this is the case so I can squirt my mind to ease.  Please let me reiterate for the retards out there.  This is not a cav buff post!!!  Just curious about why things is duh way dey is.  The question has yet to be answered.

-Squirt
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Post by: spl00gedon on January 24, 2013, 07:33:33 am
Lolllll. Rereading through the responses to this post I now realize that about 80% of you missed the point.....  gf
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Post by: owens on January 24, 2013, 07:53:25 am
One thing I noticed while playing in NA is that cav there is much more skilled at being cav than the melee players are at dealing with cav.

Lances were always a little too powerful but feel good now.


 If you haven't noticed almost every single 1 hit has been removed from the game with the exception of head shots. Lance cav was an easy class to roll and unrealistic. There is a reason cavalry have historically always used swords right up until the first world war. Lances are  likely to tear a rider from his horse if not left in the target and were a throw away item. As this effect cannot be simulated in cRPG lance cav now have to land a couche and a horse bump. It isnt a big deal and means although the rider doesn't get the kill his target is effectively dead.


So next time someone survives a couche go back and finish them of (if they are still afk) or be happy knowing that he is effectively dead anyway.
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Post by: spl00gedon on January 24, 2013, 08:06:19 am

So next time someone survives a couche go back and finish them of (if they are still afk) or be happy knowing that he is effectively dead anyway.

^^^^ I see what you did there.  Unfortunately still missing the general point of the post.
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Post by: Penguin on January 24, 2013, 11:47:16 am
So next time someone survives a couche go back and finish them of (if they are still afk)
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