-chadzHowever, if the community as a whole decides that they don't want this to be allowed, I will accept this and outlaw usage of the data like this.(click to show/hide)(click to show/hide)
-Kinngrimm(click to show/hide)
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Zlisch, topic is rather unclear, use quotes instead of spoilers ;)Still need spoilers but added quotes to make it clearer.
I don't really care for it, if its done developing and works perfect i wouldn't mind it being implemented by the devs into the site (like what happened with the eye-candy thing strat look)
Still need spoilers but added quotes to make it clearer.
I meant like actual quotes, not pieces of text in an empty quote :P Wanna see in what context they are said, where and when they are said, and if its accurate what you quoted :)To much damn work, they can be found in the random links included, dig them up yourself.
If you make a topic combining other ppl's words make sure you do it like a sir :mrgreen:
So, since Anders closed his thread and since the poll result was quite negative I figure someone should open a thread and finish the poll.
46.7% Against
53.3% For
It was positive =)
46.7% AgainstWell, just saying but the vast majority of the ones that voted for it still considered the way you went by doing it completely unacceptable.
53.3% For
It was positive =)
...as you provided some nice quotes so i thought this one also shouldn't be left out
Second, it seems that clan relationships are deciding stances in this discussion. This is really not helpful at all. I know it's hard to do, but try to judge it from an objective point of view.
@Nessaj, I see your point, but I am just having a different opinion. I mean there are people sitting down and writing tools, extensions, for a game that many like to play, but has a crude UI, to make it easier to use. This is, in my opinion, awesome. I really love that. I maybe should have stated more clearly from the beginning that I like it when people do that, and I want to encourage it, not prevent it.
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What I'm saying is, extending a game can be beautiful, and can really enrich the game as a whole. I always considered strat a community project, believe it or not, and I'm always happy when people do stuff that I didn't have the time to do (shared view wasn't done because of server capacity).
Well, just saying but the vast majority of the ones that voted for it still considered the way you went by doing it completely unacceptable.the different options for the poll in the other thread had been changed in the middle of that discussion, therefor the actual opinions behind those options to chose from may differ from the last stated options.
And actually that is wrong, 9.8% voted for a link to one of chadz posts, as in, voted randomly.
as you provided some nice quotes so i thought this one also shouldn't be left out
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EDIT:the different options for the poll in the other thread had been changed in the middle of that discussion, therefor the actual opinions behind those options to chose from may differ from the last stated options.
Pretty sure he reset the vote counts then, if not, Anders shouldn't be allowed to make polls.
9.8% voted for a link to one of chadz posts, as in, voted randomly.It wasn't random voting at all, it was pointing out that the mighty god said he would tell us what the fuck he thinks of it later but that so far he agreed for us to use it, so it was a yes until decided otherwise by devs, don't make a mockery of our donkey democracy you goat loving prophet of doom!
EDIT:the different options for the poll in the other thread had been changed in the middle of that discussion, therefor the actual opinions behind those options to chose from may differ from the last stated options.
Should we Cut Zlisch Tongue?
lmfao so many people talking about this tool whereas they don't even know half its feature. Anyway last word goes to chadz and you can all go fuck yourselves
However, if the community as a whole decides that they don't want this to be allowed, I will accept this and outlaw usage of the data like this.-chadz.
I personally don't think tools that allow you to see what others in your faction see should be allowed. If that's the case, then we should pack it up and turn this into a single player game.
If they want to make it easier to communicate what you see with your leaders, they can implement tools for that directly into strategus (like "officers orders" or a messaging system that doesn't require you to use the main c-rpg site). Or allow a user to easily send a screen cap to their officers.
But I think that removing the need for people in the faction to communicate what they see to their higher-ups, is a bad thing. It removes the fog of war even more.
And going one step farther, I whole-heartedly disagree with the dev's decision in strat 4 to allow fief information to be seen no matter how far away from the fief you are. I think it should be like strat 3, you have to be relatively close to see fief information.
God forbid you'd actually need a scout or a messenger or a reason to use diplomacy for trading (or gathering information).
The viewer doesn't give you ALL the available data which the singled out player can see within his spotting range, the status of the party lightly/armed/heavy/shiny is not included as well the crates aren't shown as several other things. You can't engage with these additional dots on the map too as a player who has the party in his own spotting range. When we are done with the diplomatic system and alliances would be able to share their data, even less will be transmitted then only the color and the size of the party(not party count) will be shown(and perhaps the last spotted will be reduced from 18 to 6 hours for that data.(click to show/hide)
I don't see anything wrong with it, really. It does give the user an advantage, yes, but technically it's just systematizing (lemme just throw that word around w/o knowing what it means) what can already be done informally. Person A can just tell person B who/what he sees. The information is still available to person B, it's just a pain in the ass to get it.
At least, I think that how it works. Fuck strat.
It actually sounds like something that should be implemented in strat officially. Shared LOS between faction-mates? Yeah buddy!
It's like world of warcraft's addons for aggro meter or healing tools. At first Blizzard was against these and was banning people for using it before they understand it was a good thing.Here it's exactly the opposite, at first donkey crew sits back and allows you to use it, then hopefully they'll realize it's a bad thing and ban people who don't stop using it.
No - because of fog of war.Fog of war is included indirectly through less information that is provided already.
Kinngrimm, just wait for official account sharing implemented in game. I think, that we should use only official tools, to avoid any unnecessary discussion and for equal opportunities.what do you think this project is all about ^^
official account sharing
It's least effort for the devs to let this stuff be. Any restrictions mean they have to be actually enforced and forbidding this stuff means coding in encryption - which probably isn't that much effort though.