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Strategus => Strategus Issues => Topic started by: MURDERTRON on November 25, 2012, 03:00:46 am

Title: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: MURDERTRON on November 25, 2012, 03:00:46 am
So earlier today, me and BaleofHay were moving back up to the north with our trade goods.  Badplayer saw us and popped out of New Weyyah Castle.  Bale and I met up, made our necassary adjustments and I gave chase to him.  He only had 200 crates or so,  but I Quick Marched after him. He retreated to Weyyah castle and then quickly emerged with 560,000 crates.  I still pursued him, but was continually juked.  I'm not sure if this is done by continually issuing the same movement command, or by constantly switching directions.  However, I have personally encountered this issue twice already with Hero Party members.  First when I eventually successfully attacked Rohypnol and again when attempting to attack Badplayer.  Rohypnol took over ten attempts to finally attack him and I attempted over 20 times to attack Badplayer.    He then slipped by me and attack BaleofHay.  Anyway, this is very clearly an attempt at item bombing and it needs to be addressed.  The attack order thing, we've known about forever, and hopefully a fix for that is coming.  It's quite unfortunate though,  because now my Quick March is mostly used up and I won't be able to cover the distance I need to before exhaustion sets in.

Here are some pictures illustrating my frustrating attempts to attack Badplayer and the extremely high crate count.

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Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Keshian on November 25, 2012, 03:04:37 am
yeah I find it rather funny that the clan with the most game admins per player and has the ehad na game admin in their faction is abusing the most strategus game mechanics.  We could really use an impartial EU admin getting involved as everytime we complain to the NA admins under shik we are ignored - even as they continue to abuse sky ladders in battles, abusing nighttime settings, and now this.  I guess they are afraid of fair fights.  Kind of sad actually.  But yes please can an eu admin get involved.

Also it appears if they are willing to change their direction slightly each minute before the tick they are impossible to be attacked even though we move 3-4x as fast as them and are on top of them.  Not sure why within 50 meters isnt sufficient for an attack anyways as that is smaller than the distance between opposing flags in strategus battles.  Without that it makes this kind of abuse possible and the exploitation of the 0 meter rule along with ticks for movement.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on November 25, 2012, 03:09:32 am
Well I assumed you were gonna catch up to me so I bought the items to deter you from attacking so I could attack BaleOhay. Valid tactic in my opinion, much like you item bombing in Strategus 2 which I always supported because I thought it was funny.

And by the way I didn't try "juke" or anything, I just moved to attack BaleOhay then didn't bother doing anything else in Strategus since I assumed i'd either be attacked or you wouldn't bother attacking me cause of all my crates and i'd be able to attack him.

Heres even a bit of me chatting to Shik about this issue when I went to recheck strategus and I agree it needs a fix and am not sure why it happens.
(click to show/hide)
But you guys don't have to complain about every thing ya know, this is the reason we have been attempting to wipe you out since strategus 2 because you are awful hypocrite shitposters. A shame you left for star wars before we started and finished the job last time.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Keshian on November 25, 2012, 03:45:10 am
we have been attempting to wipe you out since strategus 2 because you are awful hypocrite shitposters. A shame you left for star wars before we started and finished the job last time.

???  You never attacked us in strat 2 - we actually saved your ass a number of times.  In strat 3 you never attacked us, actually did a decent amount of trading with each other, strat 4 you supported us by doing large trades with us feeding us plenty of gold and mercing for us.  Not sure where you make these statements up or if you are getting fed them to you by smoothrich now that you are butthurt that we reacted as expected when you attacked BIRD clan.  You must be really really bad at attempting to wipe another clan that you havent even started yet after 2 years - it only took us a week and a half for ATS and tutuo did shogunate all on his loneseome.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on November 25, 2012, 03:49:06 am
???  You never attacked us in strat 2 - we actually saved your ass a number of times.  In strat 3 you never attacked us, actually did a decent amount of trading with each other, strat 4 you supported us by doing large trades with us feeding us plenty of gold and mercing for us.  Not sure where you make these statements up or if you are getting fed them to you by smoothrich now that you are butthurt that we reacted as expected when you attacked BIRD clan.  You must be really really bad at attempting to wipe another clan that you havent even started yet - it only took us a week and a half for ATS and tutuo did shogunate all on his loneseome.

realtalk.

Strategus 2 I was in CHAOS at war with FCC after leaving LLJK for a little while, and had worked out with Smoothrich that LLJK was going to attack camels->fallen->fcc if it didn't end so early. Strategus 3 the whole Green Alliance was just us and CHAOS at first allying to attack you but then you quit and ect and it got changed to other things. Strategus 4 well, we are at war now right?
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Keshian on November 25, 2012, 03:56:42 am
realtalk.

Strategus 2 I was in CHAOS at war with FCC after leaving LLJK for a little while, and had worked out with Smoothrich that LLJK was going to attack camels->fallen->fcc if it didn't end so early. Strategus 3 the whole Green Alliance was just us and CHAOS at first allying to attack you but then you quit and ect and it got changed to other things. Strategus 4 well, we are at war now right?

hahahaha you are so full of shit - no one ever cared about you, just another merc didn't lead anything - partyboy was the only real leader of BIRD clan as much as you tried to copy and be like him no one liked you so it didnt work like it does for partyboy.  Your big conspiracy didn't mean anything.  Smoothrich back then was mercing him and a bunch of lljk for us against ATS, they might have not liked fallen but they were fully with us at the time and helped us out just like we had helped them - just becasue you 2 guys hate us now doesn't mean that you suddenly travelled back in time and were preparing to war against us in an earlier strat iteration where it made absolutely no sense to.  Badplayer I pity you, you and smoothrich deserve each other.

Strat 3??  wtf are you talking about - chaos was nowhere near attacking us in that strat, one of our main trading aprtners at the time and good source of mercenaries.  We left months before the green alliance even formed before we had ever even lost even one major fight in strategus - strategus micromanagement beat us into boredom.  Strat 4 you traded and merced for us.  You never made any attaempt to attack us instead you helped us just like we helped you against hosp by merrcing in force for you guys.  Only reason we are fighting right now is BIRD clan got attacked and that was something you hadnt planned on when you marched on shariz.

You and smoothrich should abdicate to tydeus, mcdeath, and others who don't do stupid things on strategus just because of personal vendetta and inner angst.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: BADPLAYER_old2 on November 25, 2012, 04:00:46 am
hahahaha you are so full of shit - no one ever cared about you, just another merc didn't lead anything - partyboy was the only real leader of BIRD clan as much as you tried to copy and be like him no one liked you so it didnt work like it does for partyboy.  Your big conspiracy didn't mean anything.  Smoothrich back then was mercing him and a bunch of lljk for us against ATS, they might have not liked fallen but they were fully with us at the time and helped us out just like we had helped them - just becasue you 2 guys hate us now doesn't mean that you suddenly travelled back in time and were preparing to war against us in an earlier strat iteration where it made absolutely no sense to.  Badplayer I pity you, you and smoothrich deserve each other.

Strat 3??  wtf are you talking about - chaos was nowhere near attacking us in that strat, one of our main trading aprtners at the time and good source of mercenaries.  We left months before the green alliance even formed before we had ever even lost even one major fight in strategus - strategus micromanagement beat us into boredom.  Strat 4 you traded and merced for us.  You never made any attaempt to attack us instead you helped us just like we helped you against hosp by merrcing in force for you guys.  Only reason we are fighting right now is BIRD clan got atatcked and that was something you hadnt planned on when you marched o shariz.

lol. You might have your finger glued to f5ing the strategus page but that doesn't mean you know everything bro.

"occitan have all hacked and multiaccounted UIF troops and gear" -kesh 2012
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Smoothrich on November 25, 2012, 04:32:34 am

You and smoothrich should abdicate to tydeus, mcdeath, and others who don't do stupid things on strategus just because of personal vendetta and inner angst.

??

All we tried to do was fight LLJK.  You're the one who is making it a drama shitfest and sending thousands of troops down  to scare us into not fighting, while making a thread after EVERY thing we do in Strat calling it abuse and demanding we get deadminned.  Its you.  You're the one with the vendettas.  With the angst.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Muki on November 25, 2012, 04:42:47 am
You can give items to someone without allowing trade?
btw what you mean by item bombing?


 Anyways it most likely he brought a ton of peasant gear (Since there free now)
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Keshian on November 25, 2012, 04:53:52 am
lol. You might have your finger glued to f5ing the strategus page but that doesn't mean you know everything bro.

"occitan have all hacked and multiaccounted UIF troops and gear" -kesh 2012

?? you mean they didnt get troops and gear and gold from attacking former UIF fiefs of banned multiaccount players??  I know thats all i said that they got troops from those banned players - which they even admitted to doing.  Not really sure what you are trying to do here except change my words to make a broader generalization than what I said ("all")

Smoothrich - we dont want to be in the desert, you are the one instigating all of this despite most of hero party not giving a shit about your personal vendetta against phantom zero and other former lljk members.  Thats all your own personal angst and you just have to look here to see it.

RAGE Rage and moar rage - crying countless tears and qq.
http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/megaclan-hero-party-attack-fledgling-bird-clan!!/120/ (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/megaclan-hero-party-attack-fledgling-bird-clan!!/120/)
and all your own personal vendetta here:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/hero-party's-terms-of-desert-alliance-with-lljk/ (http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/hero-party's-terms-of-desert-alliance-with-lljk/)


If you had even bothered to ask you would have known we were just as annoyed that so many fiefs came into Partyboy's possession that had to be protected under our BIRD clan liege lord's vassalage.  We didn't want to waste our time in the desert.  And for the record the hero party, semenstorm, jabonra combo faction is 4x as large as BIRD clan if not bigger, we didnt march in force we only sent enough to get the odds a little closer to even.  You are not the little guys in this silly fight over smoothrich's ego as much as you might like to pretend to be like you were against hospitallers when we did something similar to help you out.  You were going after one of the few factions smaller than you.


Also, back on topic - since the "allowing incoming transfers" button was implemented this is the only way to properly item bomb someone else, a bannable offense by the way.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 25, 2012, 05:08:28 am
Also, back on topic - since the "allowing incoming transfers" button was implemented this is the only way to properly item bomb someone else, a bannable offense by the way.

Disagree.
You can Hide from him(and out run them) with such a huge amount of crates. In addition, all those troops are lost as well(meaning they have to attack you and burn troops to do this).
As ITEM bomb consists of GIVING the enemy gear BEFORE a battle, they don't GIVE that gear to you, unless they lose. In addition, they actually "ITEM BOMB" themselves first to properly do this. It also doesn't have to be 200000 items to get that many crates. You can buy 99999999 rocks and you get a shit ton of crates.

You guys are blowing smoke. Just ignore the guy with the shit ton of crates and attack someone else, or have an army with little gear/crates attack him. It's simple. '

I keep this as part of an anti raid defense. If you raid me, you get my gear, ALL of it. Helps deter raids and forces assaults. Since it's not done for an assault.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: kinngrimm on November 25, 2012, 05:17:20 am
....

Also, back on topic - since the "allowing incoming transfers" button was implemented this is the only way to properly item bomb someone else, a banable offense by the way.
wait what, link please. Is there a restriction on how many stones i may carry?
560k is silly, no question, but in numbers of perhaps 2-4k, it may be a valid tactic, to mislead an attacker from another target. I have seen used successfully 2 times now and perhaps i would consider it myself. So please give me the posts that carrying shitloads of worthless junk is banable, so i wouldn't use this myself at some point.

The only thing i don't understand why you weren't able to catch him. Have you made tests how this effects the speed?

Also perhaps the peasent gear should either be removed in strategus or it would need to be payed a minimum like 1g. I think badplayer would have thought twice before investing into 560k stones  :lol:
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: BaleOhay on November 25, 2012, 05:32:50 am
it can actually be used offensively.

you see a guy.. lets call him Bale walking with crates. You do not have enough troops to kill him.. but within a 24 march window you could get people there.

So attack knowing you are going to die.. Drop the item bomb which limits movement on the trader more. You lock him down for 24 hours till your friends arrive. The hour safety window you do not get far with that many crates.

Can be a simple fix allow people to discard items.. Do not let them drop goods.. but equipment should be allowed to be dropped wherever you would like.

The attack radius issue is a bigger problem. Never had any issues hitting Kutt in the war with attack. But for some reason lately we have no end of trouble. In this case badplayer walking with all those crates evaded murder who was Qming with horses. He tried for 40 minutes to attack him without any luck. Def moving faster so I do not know why that would not work. had the same issues with Shik and Rho.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 25, 2012, 05:37:41 am
I have been wanting to make a post about dropping items in the field. It should be allowed.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: kinngrimm on November 25, 2012, 05:39:02 am
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In this case badplayer walking with all those crates evaded murder who was Qming with horses. He tried for 40 minutes to attack him without any luck. Def moving faster so I do not know why that would not work. had the same issues with Shik and Rho.
This sounds like a miscalculation in the speed formulas. With 560k crates and that few troops and horses he had in comparison, you shouldn't be able to move an inch anymore.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Rikthor on November 25, 2012, 05:53:49 am
Yeah completely offtopic but lets slow the roles here a bit, Tutoo defeated Shogunate by himself? Really bro? I guess I just imagined trolling them with Berenger relentlessly.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Keshian on November 25, 2012, 07:18:58 am
This sounds like a miscalculation in the speed formulas. With 560k crates and that few troops and horses he had in comparison, you shouldn't be able to move an inch anymore.

No.  Murder was moving 5x faster than badplayer.  Its just he cant seem to be attacked, tried 40 minutes of repeatedly being directly on top of him.  Had same issue with rohy twice before where we even had the guy run ahead to his destination and then come back head on toward him and it would not register attack.  These are the only people we have ever had this overwhelming problem of being impossible to register attack against and they are all from the same clan - kind of suspicious.  Would love for them to reveal how they are doing it so it can be fixed rather than abusing it until some developer figures it out and fixes it.  Kind of surprised shik isn't letting chadz know about the issue, but then again its to his clan's advantage so I guess that takes first fiddle to his admin duties.

And not every faction member is ative 24/7 anders, all someone has to do is wait ina  fief until a trader passes thena tatck them at an hour they might be asleep and they can catch them by quickmarching.  They lose only 1/3rd the troops of the other guy using minimum to attack and then their allies have 24 hours to show up and finish the job.  You can't reinforce him even because all the troops will suffer from being unable to access equipment.  Very useful against carvans and shiny armies to rob or nullify them.

It comes down to what is the effect - you are intentionally trying to make sure the enemy will not be able to access their inventory in the next fight they do after yours by abusing a faulty game mechanic - item bombing is listed as bannable offense.  Since the old method is unavailbale unless you transfer to fiefs, this is the only way to do it to people in the field.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: oprah_winfrey on November 25, 2012, 05:58:31 pm
http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/dbrookz-the-new-god-of-juking!!!/msg652282/#msg652282

When dbrookz doesn't get attacked he is the god of juking, when hero party doesn't get attacked they are cheating/exploiting.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Keshian on November 25, 2012, 06:09:11 pm
http://forum.meleegaming.com/diplomacy/dbrookz-the-new-god-of-juking!!!/msg652282/#msg652282

When dbrookz doesn't get attacked he is the god of juking, when hero party doesn't get attacked they are cheating/exploiting.

?? he avoided them where they never got within 100 meters of him.  he didnt have them on top of him for 40 minutes within 0 meters and being unable to be attacked - strategus issue.  I know you are biased to favor them right now but its a real issue.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: oprah_winfrey on November 25, 2012, 06:22:10 pm
?? he avoided them where they never got within 100 meters of him.  he didnt have them on top of him for 40 minutes within 0 meters and being unable to be attacked - strategus issue.  I know you are biased to favor them right now but its a real issue.

So is hero party to blame for all strategus related issues? Or is it strategus issues=exploiting cheating.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Keshian on November 25, 2012, 06:25:16 pm
So is hero party to blame for all strategus related issues? Or is it strategus issues=exploiting cheating.

lol im asking it to get fixed - hence the thread and also stop them from item bombing which is under their control and stop nighttime setting abuse - also under their control.  And the fishy aspect is that its only ever  happened 3 times - so seems rare issue, but all 3 times have been agaisnt a hero_party member we attacked in this war - so yeah it sounds like they found a way to make it happen on command.  Not the first time a clan knew of a glitch and continued to make uee of it until developers finally became aware of it.

i mean come on egan - doesn't that seem the least bit suspicous to you as much as you might like hero_party?  We have posted multiple times showing pictures of it happening, its not some random accusation - its happening only in this war and only against hero_party members.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Gmnotutoo on November 25, 2012, 07:57:19 pm
Here is my response to you Smooth, in song form.

If you feel better
Telling me I'm cruel
Saying I'm unfeeling
I don't mind
If it's necessary
If it helps you out
Crying that I'm heartless
It's alright
Well I'm sorry
To cause you so much pain
But it occurs to me
You're acting like a ten year old
So glad you're still in touch
With your inner child
All the same what can you really hope
To gain from complaining
I could apologize for all the things
I've never done
But how much fun would that be
So no I won't do that
But if you feel better
Telling me I'm cruel
Saying I'm unfeeling
I don't mind
If it's necessary
If it helps you out
Crying that I'm heartless
It's alright
Won't make me sorry
'Cause Im cruel
Won't hurt my feelings
'Cause I dont have any
Wont break my heart
'Cause its not there to break
If you feel better
My mistake
I dont need to hear
You love me
When it's clear
Im on your mind
All these thoughts
You're thinking of me
How have I been so
Unkind
But oh I see
Its been a losing battle all along
So if you feel better
Go ahead
And say Im wrong

- Emilie Autumn : If you feel better

-edit: I meant to put this in smooths post, got confused and didn't know where I was. This is why weed is bad, kids.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Mae. on November 25, 2012, 10:21:43 pm
i had the attack issue happen on 2 people, neither were hero party. not taking sides, just saying.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: oprah_winfrey on November 25, 2012, 10:49:55 pm
i had the attack issue happen on 2 people, neither were hero party. not taking sides, just saying.

Nah they are in hero party they just had the faction bug that shows them in a different faction.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Tanken on November 26, 2012, 06:04:17 pm
Kesh and Idle, how the hell did you guys get muted?


Also, on topic; doesn't it suck to know you should have been able to attack someone, but they just evade you? Oh wait, happened to us with dBrookz even though both armies were perfectly capable of stopping him and said 0.01 hours to him for like 20 minutes straight. It's a shitty bug.


As for item-bombing, it's kind of funny in a way, but logically doesn't make sense. 4,000,000 stones? Jesus, you could build a mini pyramid.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Malaclypse on November 26, 2012, 09:22:04 pm
Kesh and Idle, how the hell did you guys get muted?


Also, on topic; doesn't it suck to know you should have been able to attack someone, but they just evade you? Oh wait, happened to us with dBrookz even though both armies were perfectly capable of stopping him and said 0.01 hours to him for like 20 minutes straight. It's a shitty bug.


As for item-bombing, it's kind of funny in a way, but logically doesn't make sense. 4,000,000 stones? Jesus, you could build a mini pyramid.

Muted because of this (http://forum.meleegaming.com/strategus-issues/shitposting-bombs-by-fcc-after-every-strategus-move/) thread mostly, I'd wager.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: Gristle on November 27, 2012, 06:35:18 am
Kesh and Idle, how the hell did you guys get muted?


Also, on topic; doesn't it suck to know you should have been able to attack someone, but they just evade you? Oh wait, happened to us with dBrookz even though both armies were perfectly capable of stopping him and said 0.01 hours to him for like 20 minutes straight. It's a shitty bug.

From what I understand, you guys were never completely on top of dbrookz.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on November 30, 2012, 04:28:37 pm
This wouldn't be a problem if you had the option to dump gear wherever you are in strategus...

You should be able to say "actually, I don't want those 1 million rocks, I'm going to just leave them".  Fucking retarded as hell that you have to carry them back to a fief before you can rid yourself of unnecessary equipment you win from a battle.

Just another problem that won't be fixed in strategus, that has an easy solution.
Title: Re: Incoming item bombing by Badplayer
Post by: MURDERTRON on December 01, 2012, 05:21:25 am
The easiest way to fix the most extreme cases is to round any cost of anything that is a fraction of a gold piece up to 1.  It will, however, not prevent actual item bombing fiefs.