Let me get this right.. a fief was transferred to us by its owner... u had trade with the old owner. u are now declaring war on fcc since we now own the fief?
Am I missing anything?
Wouldn't you go to war with Remnant for re-negging on a trade deal?
Well if you were leaving our fief with the sd then it is fcc policy to attack. Old trade agreements do not transfer with the fief.
I would talk with huey or kesh both leaders (with authority) in that area.
We had been working on the transfer of Mechin for a week now (just no one was around at same time for direct transfer), so we finally just attacked. What Chris P Bacon did was 10 minutes before the battle was to commence (or even after it transferred as I I know you cant sell ina fief under atatck, may not be able to buy either, either way it had all the S&D 15 minutes before the battle started when we last checked) with an obvious big red attack on Mechin took all the S&D without asking if he could, trying to nab it before the transfer completed or just after it transferred. The timing was a little too obvious that he was trying to grab the S&D before the village switched hands.
No trade agreement allows for that kind of abuse as all the S&D built up in the 24 hour window before the attack (it was close to 0 when I initiated my attack on mechin) we had planned on buying disappeared at the time of the battle. It was a cheap attempt at taking our S&D hoping that some old trade agreement would cover taking it in front of our eyes just as it was being transferred.
I'm sorry but he is not going to get away with stealing 800 S&D like that. With our distance bonuses its like stealing 80,000 gold from us. You can talk to us on teamspeak tonight if you want, but what Chris P Bacon tried to pull was pretty cheap considering his timing and should have been pretty obvious he needed to talk to us with it being under attack for 24 hours when he did this.
P.S. had you talked to Remnant about another trade run to Mechin they could have told you about the transfer so you would know not to do another one. Not even sure what kind of agreement you had with them, would be glad if a remnant shared that. But the heart of the matter was it was taken as the fief was finally being trasnferred after the 24 hour buildup to the attack either 10 minutes or less before or even after the attack finished. We have plenty of open trade fiefs, but mechin is not one of them.
I'll have to march against FCC for this transgression.
Facts speak for themselves, this is an aggressive maneuver cause Remnant screwed you guys in a deal so you're hitting the guy who did everything he was allowed to by the side that let him.
So you are saying the "trade deal" was screwing us over in a village being transferred and you didnt even think to ask us if this was okay?? If he had bought it before the battle commenced, hell if he had bought it early on like 15 or more hours before the battle was actually to take place after I attacked Mechin, we would have been fine with it and let you get away with it. But he fucking took it as the battle was taking place wiping out the S&D. That's a bitch move in anyone's book and it should have been BLATANTLY OBVIOUS he needed to talk to us beforehand about that rather than trying to make a run and grab. No "trade deal" covers pulling a dick move like that.
Good job reading there. The goods were BOUGHT BEFORE VILLAGE TRANSFER. Remnant said: BUY EVERYTHING, and we did. You guys attacked it later for transfer. Then attacked our merchant with all those goods after that.
I read your posted trade agreement. It said nothing about clearing out the S&D and sounds like it was several days before. It was under attack for 24 hours before he pulled this - IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OBVIOUS THAT WE NEEDED TO BE CONSULTED BEFOREHAND. We let a lot of free traders roam around, but he took it all at the last possible moment - the timing makes it a complete dick move on his part that is just blatantly ripping us off.
sexybitchHaru
Re: Just confirming
Buy as much as you want now actually. Just tell someone in Remnant when your are travelling through our territory.
Why are people still using battles to transfer fiefs?
Okay - i just confirmation - you CANNOT buy any goods while a fief is under attack (knew you couldnt sell but wasnt sure about buying) and the S&D was there 15 minutes before the battle. This means Chris P Bacon bought it after it was in FCC hands. That is stealing S&D without an agreement.
P.S. haru had left the fief by that point and was several days away, so fief owner wasn there to do normal transfer.
Bacons Speed in forest is 5.71 meters. He's roughly 1000-2000(1500 for average) meters from mechin.(between 3 hours-6 hours away). Assuming travel time of average which is 4.3 hours. He was attacked at 7 AM. which means he had to leave at 2 AM. This is HIGHLY unlikely. Therefore, he most likely left at 1 AM or so. Therefore to be attacked AT HIS LOCATION, he had to BUY THE GOODS DURING BATTLE TIME. to be at the location he's at. Battle transfer took place at 2:48 AM. Which means that you are full of crock. He bought those goods BEFORE the battle. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY HE BOUGHT THEM AFTER THAT. Math.
So here's the math: Bacon is between 1000-2000 meters. That's, at his speed, 3-6 hours away. That means, to have stolen goods FROM MECHIN, he'd have to have bought the goods at 3 AM and then left then.(as transfer battle was right at 2:50 AM). This is an unreasonable time for a casual player, so there's no way he bought the goods when you say he did. Now if bacon did buy them at 3 AM, that would be the ONLY way to get the battle time set up as it is. That is, unless bacons night time setting forced the battle to a later time slot and if that's the case, then you attacked him earlier than he could have bought the goods from the city. I'm still playing detective anders here to figure out everything in this incident.
Bacon would have had to buy the goods before FCC attacked Mechin. That means prior to 2:48AM on monday morning. If that was the case, he would have been atleast 8200 meters away from Mechin. Math.
Remnant screwed you guys in a deal
What the fuck do you put in your breakfast cereal, mate?
Right which is where i'm wondering, why is bacon doing that? I think it's something to do with nighttime settings. cause being that close is far to uneasy for me.
I stated in the math that it's still a valid time setup. But an even battle time of 7 solid is usually a Night time settings and not a chosen battle time.
@kesh: He's got 700 goods from mechin and 400 from ismarala and 300 troops. According to strat that's 800 crates. He's going to move slow in forest with that many crates. How close IS he to mechin really? based upon my own reading of distances and tests he's close to 1400 or so from it.
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I do not know what the fuck this is all about, or the context and time of it being written. Haru handles trade agreements for the clan and is generally a nice guy. It seems like you were trying to take advantage of that with some shady shit.
These are the me to themsThat's the time stamps of the messages. So you can say what you like, but Haru sent that message on the 15th late at night. But The more I research, the more it seems bacon did pull a dick move. I still need one last piece of info(the night time) to determine when battle was started.
Remnant_sexybitchHaru Just confirming 15/11/2012 19:08:26
kitsuneninja Trading in your fief 15/11/2012 19:07:42
Remnant_sexybitchHaru Mechin 08/11/2012 13:30:15
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kitsuneninja Re: Trading in your fief 16/11/2012 22:11:16
Remnant_sexybitchHaru Re: Just confirming 15/11/2012 19:31:11
Remnant_sexybitchHaru Re: Mechin 08/11/2012 14:39:20
One man with only his passion for crpg, a fedora and far too much time on his hands, is going to get to the bottom of all the lies and villainy in strategus.
Detective Lieutenant Anders in : S&D Stolen from me?
Coming soon to theatres near you.
8) Remove prosperity modifier that was based on goods price.
finally someone understands.
Hi Shin. We are still buds I bet
Just bend over Anders 'cause even if you're right (and I'm too lazy to read the whole thing so i dunno if you are), you're still gonna be wrong. There's no arguing with FCC
I can clear this up. You can attack Anders because he's a little kid and little kids deserve to be bullied. Take his lunch money, give him a swirly, and then lock him in his locker.
i dont know much about all this... but i was in the area and i know huey was moving to intercept at like 11-12 EST. if patton bought all that shit BEFORE the siege why did he hang around there for so long?
I don't know. But this confirms it. Are you willing to stand behind what you say Matey?