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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 10:16:01 pm

Title: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 10:16:01 pm
As I'm only providing the troops/gear, this is an open/closed deal. I control nothing on hiring and nothing on battle command.

Deal Is public only cause it's a REINFORCEMENT army. (and it gives the attacker 30 minutes from this post to get SOMETHING done.)

KUTT hired me for the following: I get all("a Chunk") loot from win and if loot doesn't exceed 60k strat gold, goods to make up for it. KUTT doesn't want to get TPed to a 5 day EU vacation, so I'm being hired to reinforce 1 specific army.

If kutt fails, well...I didn't account for this. If it happens, sucks to be me, but I hope KUTT pays me for the failure.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Tanken on November 14, 2012, 10:21:58 pm
Attacking a recovering clan in a Free Trading Zone.


Shame on you Remnants. Shame. On. You.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 10:55:59 pm
Free Tr... what?
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 10:56:38 pm
He's talking about how you are close to my free zone.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 10:59:30 pm
And I'm talking about him having sat literally on top of our fief.

Which is not a free trading zone.

Unless you consider pimping out Miracle free trade.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:01:06 pm
Quote from: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 10:59:30 pm
And I'm talking about him having sat literally on top of our fief.

Which is not a free trading zone.

Unless you consider pimping out Miracle free trade.

As I have been informed, those goods come NOT from you, but from somewhere else.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 11:03:18 pm
Quote from: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:01:06 pm
As I have been informed, those goods come NOT from you, but from somewhere else.

That relates to trespassing how exactly?
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:05:33 pm
None actually. I don't really care about the reasons he got attacked(also why a guy with 1000 crates doing it?!)

I'm being paid to reinforce him. I care not about the reasons nor anything else. I'll lose a lot out of this deal, but you know what, I come out ahead since I have not broken any word to date.

Only if tanken lets me go, or if hair doesn't get online will my reinforcement get cancelled.

And...well hair is AFK so I might HAVE to cancel it.(he has to accept transfers).
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 11:12:22 pm
Quote from: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:05:33 pm
Only if tanken lets me go, or if hair doesn't get online will my reinforcement get cancelled.

And...well hair is AFK so I might HAVE to cancel it.(he has to accept transfers).

And you think that will save you? Now that we know there is a wildcard at our borders that might go against us in an instant?

We are never unreasonable, but you better get in touch with Sauce ASAP and work something out if you want to get out of this without ending up teleported to EU.

Quote from: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 10:52:55 pm
"don'tfuckwithremnants"
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Mae. on November 14, 2012, 11:15:33 pm
good
to
know
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:16:50 pm
Quote from: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 11:12:22 pm
And you think that will save you? Now that we know there is a wildcard at our borders that might go against us in an instant?

We are never unreasonable, but you better get in touch with Sauce ASAP and work something out if you want to get out of this without ending up teleported to EU.
I might.

Quote
If you reinforce Hair_KUTT for their illegal trade in our territory, I will consider it an act of war and siege your castle.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:20:58 pm
Well tanken came back with this:
<17:19:58>  "Tanken" pokes you: If they are going to declare war on you for reinforcing, then abandon it

Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 11:21:16 pm
Quote from: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:16:50 pm
I might.

Not how it works, buddy. You can't wait and see if your reinforcement works out and only if it doesn't sue for peace.

You need to make a call right now or you force us to see you as a threat.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:22:12 pm
See above, dyna. Reinforcement cancelled. Tanken called it off.

He would rather lose his troops than make me get involved in a war.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Tanken on November 14, 2012, 11:24:22 pm
I told Anders to call it off, no sense in seeing another clan get ganged up on simply because they were sticking up for us, even though they are Mercenaries just like yourself.


Hair was one of our few remaining NA map-side players, his goods didn't come from your fiefs, and he was passing through to make it to the Free Trade zone of Dhirim. It would have been nice, instead of Remnants openly attacking us while we are even further crippled, to at least reach out to us.


Your members had mentioned they wanted us back into Strategus, why the attack then? We're rebuilding, can't rebuild when the people who want us back are going to just ransack our traders making money to come back.


Leave Anders out of this, he was just doing something nice. No need to take your 40 members and attack his 4 member clan.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Mae. on November 14, 2012, 11:24:44 pm
Quote from: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:20:58 pm
Well tanken came back with this:
<17:19:58>  "Tanken" pokes you: If they are going to declare war on you for reinforcing, then abandon it

everyone knows how this works, you reinforce someones army and youre asking for association. you've neighbored us and know our territory policies, why does it feel like everyones playing stupid suddenly?
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Sauce on November 14, 2012, 11:27:11 pm
The issue isn't specifically with KUTT. The issue is if you read our border policies; we have closed borders. Anyone near our fiefs with intent to sell or trade(400 goods moving towards a fief is intent) without permission will be attacked. All KUTT had to do was pop into Remnant TS and prove they are not trading in our fiefs and this would have been averted.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:28:32 pm
Quote from: maeday on November 14, 2012, 11:24:44 pm
everyone knows how this works, you reinforce someones army and youre asking for association. you've neighbored us and know our territory policies, why does it feel like everyones playing stupid suddenly?

Yea, I can see that. But KUTT hasn't bothered attacking me(even willing to hire me after I attacked them).

Hosp and I talked and everything is good after their battle. They understood I was doing my job. Even though both factions suffered, they have been nice and understand it's a part of what I do.

That's not to say that your view is wrong(in fact, it isn't), but it's like declaring war because you had 5 guys sign up against you(Auphilia and Hosp to name some examples).

And as a mercenary, I do know the consequences of my actions. It's a price I pay to do my job. I make no qualms over it and just hope for the best. I would rather not piss off any clan when i merc. I gave you fellas some time and you publicly knew the target, and who hired me. I make my deals as transparent as I can(without making the deal and targets known) so that everyone can see I mean NO ill intent for any side.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 11:29:13 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on November 14, 2012, 11:24:22 pm
I told Anders to call it off, no sense in seeing another clan get ganged up on simply because they were sticking up for us, even though they are Mercenaries just like yourself.


Hair was one of our few remaining NA map-side players, his goods didn't come from your fiefs, and he was passing through to make it to the Free Trade zone of Dhirim. It would have been nice, instead of Remnants openly attacking us while we are even further crippled, to at least reach out to us.


Your members had mentioned they wanted us back into Strategus, why the attack then? We're rebuilding, can't rebuild when the people who want us back are going to just ransack our traders making money to come back.


Leave Anders out of this, he was just doing something nice. No need to take your 40 members and attack his 4 member clan.

There's two stories here:

One is trespassing unannounced through our territory, which we openly declared will be attacked. There is Anders merc'ing to make profit and not being able to deal with the consequences of his actions.

The other one is extending a helping hand to a beaten foe. We are always up to that, give us the opportunity and work with us and we will be the last to deny help. Same goes for Anders, we left him alone in his castle so he could enjoy the game. If he openly goes against us, that's his choice to make.

You can't say of Remnants that we are the baddies in this one, sorry.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Sauce on November 14, 2012, 11:30:01 pm
We are not unreasonable, ask anyone else(FROYOYOYO) who happened into the same situation. Just use diplomacy.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:31:39 pm
Quote from: Sauce on November 14, 2012, 11:30:01 pm
We are not unreasonable, ask anyone else(FROYOYOYO) who happened into the same situation. Just use diplomacy.

Aye I know this well. We had an altercation once before as well, if you don't remember. Perhaps Kutt should talk to you instead. Well Back to my castle to see if remnant still coming after me.

And yes if you come I will fight, if you'd rather not, then It's cool and I won't screw with you guys. It's about having fun. I have most fun mercing my army out. The castle is a bonus to help out newbies and others.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Tanken on November 14, 2012, 11:36:10 pm
I am sorry, since I can't keep eyes on both maps atm all the time, I wasn't aware Hair's passing by your fief would cause such a well-suited clan to attack our small surviving band of members.


We're very disorganized at the moment because of the fact that we're scattered, I can't hold every member's hand nor can I reach out and make diplomacy arrangements for every single clan that we may pass by. If I did that, I minaswell quit my day job and focus entirely on Strategus.




I would ask a kindness of you all, however, though it may not come. Since it was an honest mistake on our end and I had not expected clans to still consider us a hostile threat to their S&D or their borders, would you be willing to hold his goods after the attack (since we obviously can't win it) and I have someone come pick them up before too long? That too much to ask or is it also a border policy to keep what you take?
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Sauce on November 14, 2012, 11:41:19 pm
Quote from: Tank Burner on November 14, 2012, 11:24:22 pm
I told Anders to call it off, no sense in seeing another clan get ganged up on simply because they were sticking up for us, even though they are Mercenaries just like yourself.


Hair was one of our few remaining NA map-side players, his goods didn't come from your fiefs, and he was passing through to make it to the Free Trade zone of Dhirim. It would have been nice, instead of Remnants openly attacking us while we are even further crippled, to at least reach out to us.


Your members had mentioned they wanted us back into Strategus, why the attack then? We're rebuilding, can't rebuild when the people who want us back are going to just ransack our traders making money to come back.


Leave Anders out of this, he was just doing something nice. No need to take your 40 members and attack his 4 member clan.

I don't think you understand. This isn't a personal attack on KUTT, this is a defense of our S&D/borders. We can't read your minds and know where you are trading, we can only see what's on the map. Nor should we have to come to YOU to figure out where you are on the map and what the hell you are doing with yourselves.

And as I stated, we are not unreasonable. I'll even go one step further; hop into our TS like you should have in the beginning and we can negotiate the return of ALL your goods. It's that simple folks.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Sauce on November 14, 2012, 11:43:07 pm
Haha, Tanken just come hang with us! That's really what this is all about I'm thinking. Stop by and we can sing and hug it out.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:43:49 pm
Quote from: Sauce on November 14, 2012, 11:43:07 pm
Haha, Tanken just come hang with us! That's really what this is all about I'm thinking. Stop by and we can sing and hug it out.

can I hug it out too?
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Tanken on November 14, 2012, 11:44:11 pm
I know that Sauce, I'm just saying I wasn't able to take preventative measures because a lot of our members are hopping from fief to fief for cover and I wasn't aware he was there.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Sauce on November 14, 2012, 11:44:58 pm
Quote from: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:43:49 pm
can I hug it out too?

Ofcourse. This entire thread was a roller coaster of emotions. NA drama at it's fucking finest in here!
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:46:32 pm
Resolved nicely too.

Remnant still best clan for me to have problems with. Why? Cause in the end, we always hug it out like real men.

I'll leave this open(rather than locking) so others can come with the popcorn gifs about watching the awesome movie. 8-)
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Miracle on November 14, 2012, 11:50:06 pm
Anders, I may have to attack you just so we can wrestle naked like real men as well.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: dynamike on November 14, 2012, 11:56:57 pm
Kesh you are scaring me +1'ing everything.

WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING??
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:58:13 pm
I'll equip 100 tickets with nothing(or shitty gear) and you do the same. We can have like a chiv war or something. I wouldn't mind that.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: oprah_winfrey on November 15, 2012, 12:00:23 am
Quote from: Lt_Anders on November 14, 2012, 11:22:12 pm
See above, dyna. Reinforcement cancelled. Tanken called it off.

TOO LATE

WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME

didn't bother reading the rest of this thread.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 15, 2012, 12:05:06 am
Quote from: oprah_winfrey on November 15, 2012, 12:00:23 am
TOO LATE

WELCOME TO THE THUNDERDOME

didn't bother reading the rest of this thread.

You should. Good drama thread here.
I don't like the thunderdome, I always lose there. At least remnant and kutt and I are all cool(we never were uncool 8-))
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: Keshian on November 15, 2012, 12:51:10 am
I would plus one this entire thread if I could, a whole soap opera from beginning to end with a surprise twist, made fore good reading while dead on battle server.


P.S.  Oh wait, I did.
Title: Re: Dharan Reinforcement Contract.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on November 15, 2012, 04:03:25 pm
My personal 2 cents (not Hospitaller's stance however) is that a mercenary may be loyal to the coin, but their past actions still speak volumes about them.  If you're a sell sword for one faction and attack "us", then you're an enemy, regardless if you were paid to attack or chose to do so willingly.  The reason's behind your motivations don't matter to me, only the fact you fought against us (with resources, not just signing up against in battles).