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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Dravic on April 22, 2011, 11:21:44 am
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Strength: 24
Agility: 15
Hit points: 59
Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 5
Shield: 0
Athletics: 5
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 8
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 148
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
+ Khergit bow.
Will it work?
Take a look here:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,4136.msg75147.html#msg75147 (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,4136.msg75147.html#msg75147)
Pauls post in first page and whole next page.
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Sure would work..btw quote the text you are refering to pls.
But.. i would only use khirgit bow for small maps because the arrows fly really slow with khirgit bow.
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Wulz, what build would you suggest and with what bow for "sniping"?
I mean, really good accuracy and bow that allows long range shoting without aiming at the sky ;)
How about this?:
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 15
Agility: 27
Hit points: 50
Converted: 14
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 0
Shield: 0
Athletics: 3
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 5
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 9
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 181
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
With Strong Bow.
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Anyone can tell me, how many wpf do I need to get max accuracy with Strong Bow? Or at least almost max accuracy?
Wondering if this build will be much less accurate?:
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 15
Agility: 24
Hit points: 50
Converted: 8
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 0
Athletics: 6
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 5
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 8
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 173
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
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The first one is pretty bad imo, since:
Lowish damage on long range
You can't fight in melee
You have trouble running away
All that for a little more archery wpf, I can't comment on that, but for close range shooting I found little difference between 150 and 160.
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Yea, i would completely ignore athletics(especially that) and PS.Use maul or other blunt weapon, you can still kill without PS.
Something like 18/24 lvl 30
6 PD
8 WM
3 PS
(K, this build got 3 spare skill points.)
With strong bow.1 PD over required PD gives a little accuracy boost.
Strong bow cause war bow arrows don't fly faster and strong bow got more speed rating+the accuracy boost.
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EDIT:
Yea, max accuracy of bows is 96 and you reach it at like 160 wpf naked or so.
I have 173 wpf and my reticule is almost same in 20 effective weight and naked.(5 PD)
So your high wpf will allow you to wear heavy armor at max accuracy.
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With strong bow.1 PD over required PD gives a little accuracy boost.
Are you sure about this? I thought PD did not affect accuracy either way. There was a rumour it did, but that got disproven if I recall correctly.
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Disproven? Lol.
A guy showed that it does increase accuracy. I'd need to search for it, but there was some succesful test.
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Are you sure about this? I thought PD did not affect accuracy either way. There was a rumour it did, but that got disproven if I recall correctly.
Yup, checked it myself.The difference isn't huge but definately noticeable without using a microscope.
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I had alot of fun and did quite well with an 18/18 khergit archer
5IF
6pd
6ps
6ath
6wm
my bow and arrows were both triple heirloomed which makes dmg speed accuracy and arrow speed go up.
with an unheirloomed bow i would go with one of the higher dmg bows (strong or war)
although i did just make a shortbow archer which is super fun (15/24 with 3x heirloomed shortbow)
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24/12 archer with khergit was great fun for me, don't need the 15 it only adds 1 more athletics and 7-8 more wpf ebcause of how expensive it is at that level, this allows you to have the 8 powerstrike as well as 5 IF, with your 8 pd, 4 ath, 4 wm (69 hitpoints you survive a lot as an archer). I don't think some of these people posting realize just how much powerdraw adds to shoot speed, you are shooting a khergit with 8 powerdraw like you would a strongbow with 6 powerdraw. It goes far, shoots even faster and most of all it hits like a tank. One of my more enjoyable builds. Just use a side sword or other really fast 1 her, maybe katana (don't like how the animations work on it though) and you can hurta lot with 8 powerstrike and still swing fast with 1 wpf. Definitely give it a try.
And you can always switch to different bows with this build and try them out, but the build itself is great, there is a lot going for strength build archers.
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? Since when PD increases shoot speed :shock:
Btw only runners put any skills in athletics :rolleyes:
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? Since when PD increases shoot speed :shock:
Btw only runners put any skills in athletics :rolleyes:
1. Powerdraw increases shoot speed (not draw speed), damage, and helps hold your reticule steadier for longer and slows the rate at which it goes wide again.
(if you didn't know, powerthrow also increases throw speed, partially why it does more than wpf to increase accuracy by giving a flatter trajectory)
2. Athletics are useful in melee to clsoe in fast with an opponent especially if you have a short weapon so you only have to block once to get close, also when dueling another archer athletics allows you to sidestep arrows better while you are redrawing your bow for another shot, and also actually dodge xbow bolts and throwing weapons. So useful to an archer.
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Well, my HA doesn't have any athletics and i felt i never had a problem with my maul in close combat....using pretty heavy armor with around 18 effective weight.
So it depends what the thread starter wants.. good in melee and archery or best archery possible..which i would favor.
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Keshian, so you think that 24/12 is good build? Nice ;D
I will definitly try your build. How about accuracy, btw?
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ive gone
18/21
3PS
7 ath
6 PD
7 wm
i use a longbow or strongbow depending on the map
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ive gone
18/21
3PS
7 ath
6 PD
7 wm
Hm yea, i would go for that one.
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Keshian, so you think that 24/12 is good build? Nice ;D
I will definitly try your build. How about accuracy, btw?
Accuracy is perfectly fine and since the reticules stay pretty steady with a khergit with 8 powerdraw and it shoots witha flatter trajectory it actually is in some ways better. 135 wpf is plenty to hit most targets at all but the farthest ranges consistently (thats actually what i use now that i am no longer retiring, will eventually be 7 powerdraw with 139 wpf, but only 135 with 6 right now), the extra 10-15 others might get helps get the reticules a little bit smaller and shoot a little faster. What I would recommend doing is what i do a lot, get the 12 agility by level 24ish feel how you are with aiming and if it isnt working for you switch to a 21/15 build at that point or if you haven't converted the points yet, 21/18.
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Accuracy is perfectly fine and since the reticules stay pretty steady with a khergit with 8 powerdraw and it shoots witha flatter trajectory it actually is in some ways better. 135 wpf is plenty to hit most targets at all but the farthest ranges consistently (thats actually what i use now that i am no longer retiring, will eventually be 7 powerdraw with 139 wpf, but only 135 with 6 right now), the extra 10-15 others might get helps get the reticules a little bit smaller and shoot a little faster. What I would recommend doing is what i do a lot, get the 12 agility by level 24ish feel how you are with aiming and if it isnt working for you switch to a 21/15 build at that point or if you haven't converted the points yet, 21/18.
So you are going to level 35 now?
what is going to be your final setup? and did you really go to gen 52 like you were planning?
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So you are going to level 35 now?
what is going to be your final setup? and did you really go to gen 52 like you were planning?
I am shooting for level 35. Will still take a really long time, but when im done I will be 21/21 with 7 ps, 7pd, 4 if, 7 ath, 7 wm, with 139 wpf in archery and 120 in 2h. Basically a level 25 character in either class so viable but not overwhelming, mostly would get bored with only 1 class and I can use the polearms with polearm stun and their high spammability with 1 wpf and the 1 hers without a shield are also really fast with 1 wpf and you can still use an xbow with 1 wpf effectively so i can switch between all the classes but cavalry and thrower.
I probably could have done an archer with 8 powerdraw and 150 wpf which would have been monstrous, especially with a 23 pierce longbow, but I would get bored with only archery.
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and did you really go to gen 52 like you were planning?
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I will prob go with pure HA for my final so ill have to play my alt when i get bored
cant decide between 15/30 18/24 or 21/24
18/24 wouldnt be pure and would have melee skills as well
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15/30? What lvl? 35?! :shock:
What generation are you? If less than 50, see you next year.
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15/30? What lvl? 35?! :shock:
What generation are you? If less than 50, see you next year.
I'm only gen 28, im not going to start towards 35 yet, im talking about far far down the road if i ever reach it. i like to have a goal in mind when i play, helps prevent mistakes.
i try to do all heirlooms that i will want to use on my final build and i want to do a bunch more
so i dont get to gen33 then think, i wish i had heirloomed _____.
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I'm only gen 28, im not going to start towards 35 yet, im talking about far far down the road if i ever reach it. i like to have a goal in mind when i play, helps prevent mistakes.
i try to do all heirlooms that i will want to use on my final build and i want to do a bunch more
so i dont get to gen33 then think, i wish i had heirloomed _____.
The xp calculation as part of the calculation pack given is actually incorrect, its 80 million to level 34. Might find that useful for your calculations. Maybe plan for a level 34 build. Spending weeks or even a couple months waiting to get to the next set of 3 strength/agility is just not worth it, enjoy level 34 with skill point conversion and just tack on the extra attribute and skill point if you ever reach level 35.
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thanks kesh,
so at level 34, 39stat pts makes it nice and even with no conversion if you go for high skill pt build.
so your saying its probobly 160mil to level 35, thats like retiring 20 times.
I am having lots of fun just playing on my main trying out different builds, might never go for more than 31
ps: what gen did you stop retiring at kesh?
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BTW is 173 wpf + NOT heirloomed Strong Bow enough to get smallest available reticule? Or i need 180 wpf (it is difference between 2ps 8athletics 8wm 15/24 and 15/27 3athletics 9wm)?
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BTW is 173 wpf + NOT heirloomed Strong Bow enough to get smallest available reticule? Or i need 180 wpf (it is difference between 2ps 8athletics 8wm 15/24 and 15/27 3athletics 9wm)?
Until I get chadz's patch notes I have no idea. pre-patch it was around 180 where the reticule got to the smallest size, anything over 180 wpf just slowed down the rate of re-expansion of the reticule (but since the interaction of wpf and powerdraw seemed to change with the patch I really have no idea now, especially for each bow). The highest I've gone is 181 with 2 powerdraw and after about 160 with shortbow it didn't seem to make much difference on the reticule except for redraw speed. 173 is plenty though, the slight improvement of 7 more wpf isn't worth all the tradeoffs you have to do.
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BTW is 173 wpf + NOT heirloomed Strong Bow enough to get smallest available reticule? Or i need 180 wpf (it is difference between 2ps 8athletics 8wm 15/24 and 15/27 3athletics 9wm)?
I don't know the answer to your direct question (if 173 gives you the smallest reticule) but I can offer some advice, which is DON'T GO FOR IT!
If you only have 5 power draw any benefit you might get from being able to hit someone from further away with the increased wpf is completely negated by the fact you'll do such a small amount of damage. My last gen I used a fine Kherit bow and went the following build:
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
* Strength: 18
* Agility: 21
* Hit points: 53
* Converted: 8
* Ironflesh: 0
* Power Strike: 3
* Shield: 0
* Athletics: 7
* Riding: 0
* Horse Archery: 0
* Power Draw: 6
* Power Throw: 0
* Weapon Master: 7
* One Handed: 1
* Two Handed: 1
* Polearm: 1
* Archery: 164
* Crossbow: 1
* Throwing: 1
I was a big fan; the 164 wpf was plenty for medium long/long range shots, and once people went medium-medium close I could start aiming at heads. Having the spare points for athletics was a godsend and I think you'll be easy food if you only go 3 ath. In the future I think I could cut down weapon master even more(down 1 or 2 points) to hit harder with my arrows. Once people start getting to that medium range even the 148 wpf is plenty, and you'll pack a much harder punch with the shots.
My two cents; do whatever you want but I think any more than 7 wm is probably a waste of your time as an archer unless you're going to go 3 full quivers of arrows and just spam all day from a hill for like 5-8 damage a shot.
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Until I get chadz's patch notes I have no idea. pre-patch it was around 180 where the reticule got to the smallest size, anything over 180 wpf just slowed down the rate of re-expansion of the reticule (but since the interaction of wpf and powerdraw seemed to change with the patch I really have no idea now, especially for each bow). The highest I've gone is 181 with 2 powerdraw and after about 160 with shortbow it didn't seem to make much difference on the reticule except for redraw speed. 173 is plenty though, the slight improvement of 7 more wpf isn't worth all the tradeoffs you have to do.
I also did shortbow build, mine with 9/30 10wm 3pd 189 or 190wpf
the most wm i would ever do in the future is 8. all levels after 8 give less than 10 extra wpf so it is horrible waste considering how much better a level of pd is. I think the optimal level of wm is 7, I do 8 as HA because 24agi is the breakpoint for 4HA skill.