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cRPG => Game Admin Feedback => Topic started by: MrShine on November 09, 2012, 10:57:38 pm
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Hello, it is I, admin extraordinaire.
Contact me:
When I'm not in-game message me on the forums or IRC and I'll try to respond when available.
When I'm in game message me there or on Steam (MrShine). When I play it's typically in the evenings, ~9-12 central.
My Discipline Policy:
As a general rule I plan to enforce the 'three strike rule' of warn/kick/ban
Moderate rule breaking may go straight to kick/ban
Severe rule breaking may go straight to ban
If you try to duck punishment by leaving the server, you will likely get a ban
Chat offenses will follow a similar progression of warn/mute/ban, pending severity
My Feedback Thread Policy:
Raging isn't going to unban you any faster
Details & constructive criticism are your friends
Don't lie to me
My (rough) ban template for NA ban threads.
1st offense -0-12 hr ban, appeal likely
2nd offense -12-24 hr ban, appeal likely
3rd offense - 24-36 hr ban, circumstantial appeal
4th offense - 36-60 hr ban, unlikely appeal
5th offense - 60-96 hr ban, unlikely appeal
6th+ offense - special review
This is by NO MEANS set in stone, since various factors may increase/decrease the ban time. The reason I've posted this is mostly for my benefit, so that I can be consistent & avoid becoming more/less lenient with bans over time.
Love,
MrShine
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haha good to see your a admin now
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Had no clue this guy was an admin... Guess I should stop intentionally team wounding him.
Ps: If you want to be a good admin learn from Smoothrich
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Good luck with the admining. Get ready for hate.
Here is a video for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FITruoZekCI :shock:
GO BEARS
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I don't think admins are allowed to have a mustache...
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I don't think admins are allowed to have a mustache...
I have an idea for the subject of your incoming essay ban.
"A History of Facial Hair in American Society: A Lesson in Manliness"
here's some reference material
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Glad to have you onboard Mr. :)
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Doing great job so far dude , one of best admins around.
Especially glad that you mostly warn people in game/ban requests, alot of the time people just do something for a round or two and only need a warning not a ban to get them to stop.
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Completely biased, hates yuropeans, takes smelly shits, wears plate, wets the bed, eats peanut butter and jelly... with the crusts cut off, yells at his mom, eats mostly hot pockets, grows a matted beard, scratches his asshole bare, drinks wine coolers... gets drunk...jerks off in living room chair...mom walks in...sighs...slaps him... doesn't wake up...continues to sleep jerk...mom goes to bed...he wakes up...feels uncomfortable...takes a shit...eats cheerios...goes back to sleep...mom wakes up...makes a sandwich...has a heart attack...son wakes up...finds mom....goes back to bed.
This is a fact based list.
The End.
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Completely biased, hates yuropeans, takes smelly shits, wears plate, wets the bed, eats peanut butter and jelly... with the crusts cut off, yells at his mom, eats mostly hot pockets, grows a matted beard, scratches his asshole bare, drinks wine coolers... gets drunk...jerks off in living room chair...mom walks in...sighs...slaps him... doesn't wake up...continues to sleep jerk...mom goes to bed...he wakes up...feels uncomfortable...takes a shit...eats cheerios...goes back to sleep...mom wakes up...makes a sandwich...has a heart attack...son wakes up...finds mom....goes back to bed.
This is a fact based list.
The End.
I can confirm that there are words in this paragraph that contain truth.
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I can confirm that there are words in this paragraph that contain truth.
All of them. In that order.
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True fan of the your work, my favorite was the one with plague
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Hello, it is I, admin extraordinaire.
Love,
MrShine
Love that you got a template for banning. Won't turn into those badmins/f*gmins who hands out bans depending on if they had a shitty day or not lol.
Keep up the good work!
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GO BEARS
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Blasphemy. I demand justice.
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The best NA admin! SHOW THOSE DELAYERS WHO'S BOSS!
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he just got kicked for leeching :O
I demand JUSTICE!!
seriously :
I luv you!
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After you took care of my ban request pretty quick and efficiently I started reading the other situations you handled. Not bad.
Zan seal of approval to a good admin.
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I appreciate the feedback on my thread, Shine. Your post is fair however I do agree with you (lol) your decision is a bit light; oh well. Thanks again.
Stolz
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Thank you for your level-headedness about the whole ordeal. I understand your dissatisfaction - I think that thread was a situation where not everyone can be pleased with my decision. In those situations I find I have to err on the side of caution with bans, because I'd rather be too light in a situation someone should be banned than too heavy-handed in a situation where someone doesn't deserve it.
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Shine, I'll give you two gum rappers and a half eaten apple if you temp ban some particular people. Don't pass this deal up man....
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Shine, I'll give you two gum rappers and a half eaten apple if you temp ban some particular people. Don't pass this deal up man....
This could be the start of a beautiful relationship
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well yeah, i did "tw" him. thing was i logged in a few times all without weapons and as level 1. i literally was just messing around punching people as a naked level 1. that no namer who put out a ban request needs to learn the way of the community,.
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well yeah, i did "tw" him. thing was i logged in a few times all without weapons and as level 1. i literally was just messing around punching people as a naked level 1. that no namer who put out a ban request needs to learn the way of the community,.
So you were leeching and TWing?
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Lmao, about to say
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So you were leeching and TWing?
are you always trolling these boards dude? haha. go play pokemon or something more your speed, or go make another ugly face for your character. :)
i dont believe you can really dmg anyone really being level 1 naked. and you cant really leech. anyone who thinks its fun to be level 1 for more then a minute needs a shot in the mouth. I just am really disappointed that I have been banned several times for nonsense by no-namers. people should really gain a reputation before anyone takes anything seriously... id take it with a grain of salt.
look, the ban couldnt have came at a better time. im moving, and dont have time to play at the moment anyway :) ... and i dont have a problem being "disciplined", but im certain that these people have nothing better to do then get a boner over making a post after playing crpg for an hour or two and getting a long time fan favorite like myself banned. there should be a certain criteria met before anyone takes these low lifes seriously... i mean they come in, bitching about this and that, balance this and that, and they dont even understand the fabric of crpg, let alone the community. they act like they are 8 years old, and whining like they are playing minecraft.
look. i have slimpyman fans. and my fans and I are always playing around. how was I to know he wasnt a slimpyman fan? its not my fault some people have sand in their vaginas. but on all else, check the logs. the dude tked me after a few punches. if you have to embrace the rules, do so without prejudice. I know i have gotten banned in the past for being the reciever of multiple tw's, and the time i reciprocate, they make a ban thread and get me banned.
im nearly 30 years old. i dont have time to make ban threads, and i grew up on an internet where you dealt with matters on your own... not be the one who says, "wait till your father gets home!", and let someone else deal with the issue.
im the best piker in crpg, and i should be treated like so. :)
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im not lashing out on anyone. :)
and mr shine is a good man in my book. i guess im just frustrated with the quality of the playerbase as of recently, and how they are going to be the demise of the community.
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i dont believe you can really dmg anyone really being level 1 naked. and you cant really leech.
It still messes up the teambalancing. If you have no equipment you can't contribute, but still count as a player to the balance system. And even minor teamdamage adds up.
I have been banned several times for nonsense by no-namers. people should really gain a reputation before anyone takes anything seriously
And now you are getting a reputation as a repeatedly-banned player. Just because you are "an old player," doesn't mean you are entitled to special rules. You broke the server rules, got caught, and have been punished justly by MrShine.
We need to cherish admins who haven't been corrupted by "he's an old player/popular player so I won't ban him" disease that some other admins have become infected with.
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It still messes up the teambalancing. If you have no equipment you can't contribute, but still count as a player to the balance system. And even minor teamdamage adds up.
A level 1 doesn't really effect teambalance as far as I know.
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well put. generally, in all my riff-raff, thats all that needed to be said :) +1
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but on all else, check the logs. the dude tked me after a few punches. if you have to embrace the rules, do so without prejudice. I know i have gotten banned in the past for being the reciever of multiple tw's, and the time i reciprocate, they make a ban thread and get me banned.
I did check the logs, and there wasn't any instance of him TKing you. I did however see another instance of you teamwounding:
[21:58:59] chat,,Leander_Mcnelly,all,stop
[21:59:06] chat,,SoW_Baggie_SLimPY_MB,all,shush
[21:59:16] chat,,Leander_Mcnelly,all,i have shitty armor that actually hurts lol
[21:59:44] msg,Leander_Mcnelly reported SoW_Baggie_SLimPY_MB for teamwounding. Penalty: [2/5]
[21:59:49] chat,,Leander_Mcnelly,all,douche
[21:59:53] chat,,SoW_Baggie_SLimPY_MB,team,lol i lived
[21:59:58] chat,,SoW_Baggie_SLimPY_MB,all,shutup idiot
^ This is someone asking you nicely to stop, even if it was punching. Same with the situation with this other fellow who submitted a ban request, if someone starts reporting your attacks - even if they are weak punches - it's on you to respect their wishes and lay off. It doesn't matter if they are well known or 'no names', everyone has the same right to play the game without being harassed.
It's also worth noting that regardless of what someone else is doing, it's never 'ok' to teamwound back. Even if you're the one getting caught in situations where both sides are guilty of doing something, it's still your responsibility NOT to retaliate. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc.
im nearly 30 years old. i dont have time to make ban threads, and i grew up on an internet where you dealt with matters on your own... not be the one who says, "wait till your father gets home!", and let someone else deal with the issue.
I agree with this attitude, and I do appreciate letting most things go - IMO the ban section should only be used for extreme cases after a player has exhausted other means of resolution. However taking matters into your own hands shouldn't be to teamwound back :P
Good luck with your move!
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Shine, I feel your ban of Waffle and Yolo was unjust. As a current FCC leader, I will tell you no FCC leaders were present. So you can't really say he went against our leadership to build one. I generally trust Ascalon's opinion in all things Strategus, but they were not leeching. Yolo did not perform well, but Waffle performed as well as any other. I've been told it was a grueling attack and the lack of leadership made it particularly difficult. Also, there is currently no rule against building siege equipment, especially in the one place it's supposed to be built. I have seen only one admin warning in a Strat battle about building catapults and that was roughly a week ago. There is no guarantee that either of the accused was at that strat battle and saw, and there has been no official posts temporarily banning using construction equipment. Plus there is always the fact that the issue could be fixed at any time, since the devs themselves have not even public ally acknowledged it or given a time frame of when it will be fixed. Yes, admins know catapults are broken, but are not really sharing that information in highly visible areas. One pink message when you are not on is not sufficient warning. Furthermore, there is no such thing as wasting equipment in this battle. We move our armies with the expectation that siege equipment can be fixed at time, and furthermore we are attacking as force 5 times our size. Your wasting equipment argument is invalid, and any smart commander will waste equipment when loss is guaranteed. PS. This is my army, though I was not present for the battle.
I personally feel like neither individual should be banned, but at least according to your reasoning I think you should reduce Waffle's ban to 24 hours and Yolo's to 48.
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You're welcome to disagree, but I think it was the right call.
Shine, I feel your ban of Waffle and Yolo was unjust. As a current FCC leader, I will tell you no FCC leaders were present.
Matey appears to have been there, and he confirmed they were told to stop b/c they can crash people. Is he not an FCC leader?
Also:
[15:21:37] chat,,Havelle_of_Frisia,all,dont build a catapult
[15:52:43] chat,,FARTLORD_PISS,team,we didnt want them to build the catapult
Others didn't want them to either apparently, and it sounds like in TS there were requests for them not to as well, although I can't confirm that.
I generally trust Ascalon's opinion in all things Strategus, but they were not leeching. Yolo did not perform well, but Waffle performed as well as any other. I've been told it was a grueling attack and the lack of leadership made it particularly difficult.
They may not have been leeching the whole round, but the fact they were hiding & building their catapult (twice) for a substantial period of time is pretty clear. Basically, while others were participating in the fight (even a losing one) they were off building something they knew they shouldn't and weren't actively participating.
Also, there is currently no rule against building siege equipment, especially in the one place it's supposed to be built. I have seen only one admin warning in a Strat battle about building catapults and that was roughly a week ago. There is no guarantee that either of the accused was at that strat battle and saw, and there has been no official posts temporarily banning using construction equipment. Plus there is always the fact that the issue could be fixed at any time, since the devs themselves have not even public ally acknowledged it or given a time frame of when it will be fixed. Yes, admins know catapults are broken, but are not really sharing that information in highly visible areas. One pink message when you are not on is not sufficient warning.
I do agree there hasn't been an "official official" word anywhere, but I don't think that means this doesn't deserve a ban.
1) admins have been periodically warning people before battles begin (you knew it as do others)..while not written in stone anywhere it's going through the community by word of mouth that this is not allowed for the time being
2) they were warned not to do it by their faction in this specific battle
3) they knew what it would do if they built one:
[15:18:45] chat,,EggoWaffle,all,well if we build one now there is a chance that it will be a super good wall glitch
[15:27:57] chat,,EggoWaffle,all,go out with a BANG
[15:28:01] chat,,EggoWaffle,all,ik
[15:28:08] chat,,EggoWaffle,all,crash the server or some shit
4) Common sense rule: even if it isn't explicitly stated, if you know something could glitch things, and crash things... probably not a good idea to actively pursue it.
All of the above tell me that how the information has been given to people is irrelevant; they HAD the information, they KNEW what it would do, they were TOLD not to do it... and they did it anyways.
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common sense rules
The common sense thing to do would be to actually make an official temporary rule and enforce it from this point forward until it is fixed, not to make your own rule, not tell anyone and then enforce it selectively and retroactively.
Edit: also common sense rule would be for everyone to use WSE2 because it is the only good change made in the last 9 months. As a bonus side effect, you won't crash when catapults are made. Hell, I'd say get rid of the option to not use it. Maybe change the default setting to be less demanding, since those who are running worse rigs are for whatever reason afraid to change the settings.
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The common sense thing to do would be to actually make an official temporary rule and enforce it from this point forward until it is fixed, not to make your own rule, not tell anyone and then enforce it selectively and retroactively.
Without delving too deeply into this particular instance, the common sense rule is really a nonsense rule because someone can use common sense to justify anything.
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The common sense thing to do would be to actually make an official temporary rule and enforce it from this point forward until it is fixed, not to make your own rule, not tell anyone and then enforce it selectively and retroactively.
How the catapult bug rule should be passed along to players is irrelevant to this situation; Yoloswaggins_TKoV and EggoWaffle both knew the rule, as did the people leading the battle. You're arguing a separate issue, which is admins/developers/someone should make an official announcement.
It would be different if this was an accident, or if they were trying to build a catapult to use it the correct way and only after realized it was bugged. But that's clearly NOT what happened, so it's a moot issue.
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How the catapult bug rule should be passed along to players is irrelevant to this situation; Yoloswaggins_TKoV and EggoWaffle both knew the rule, as did the people leading the battle. You're arguing a separate issue, which is admins/developers/someone should make an official announcement.
Are you now saying its a rule? Can you prove they were at the one battle where an admin said anything not to build catapults? I mean, how hard is it for an admin to make a forum post. I just don't get it, the devs and admins have such a hard time writing three sentences and posting a thread. Is it the expectation that you should gain knowledge through osmosis?
These are legitimate questions, by the way.
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Are you now saying its a rule? Can you prove they were at the one battle where an admin said anything not to build catapults? I mean, how hard is it for an admin to make a forum post. I just don't get it, the devs and admins have such a hard time writing three sentences and posting a thread. Is it the expectation that you should gain knowledge through osmosis?
These are legitimate questions, by the way.
It's a rule due to this
"first rule of em all: common sense"
~ chadz
No exploiting of any kind
NOT OK: Using a bug to gain undeserved benefits
It's common sense that you don't use an exploit (Flying walls) to gain undeserved benefit(s) (Murdering/Crashing Half the enemy team), or attempt to "crash" the server
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Are you now saying its a rule? Can you prove they were at the one battle where an admin said anything not to build catapults? I mean, how hard is it for an admin to make a forum post. I just don't get it, the devs and admins have such a hard time writing three sentences and posting a thread. Is it the expectation that you should gain knowledge through osmosis?
These are legitimate questions, by the way.
They are legitimate questions, but they are questions that aren't relevant to the topic, and I have no control over. What I know is the devs have been told the problem, but I don't know where the devs are with the fixes, nor am I in a position to make new rules (I just enforce them).
But like I said before it's irrelevant if those two were a part of the battle and explicitly heard that this is a new temporary rule: they were told to stop, they knew the consequences of what they were doing would cause crashes and glitches, and they continued.
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/bump back to the first page (suck it PTX!)
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/bump back to the first page (suck it PTX!)
Bad form sir, your goal should be to be the last non locked admin thread.
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Miley has a little history of delaying rounds in ban history, but a single round of 16 seconds at the end (when it looks like the round is pretty much over anyways) isn't enough to give a ban.
If I would have been on the server:
- I probably would have asked Miley to please join the fight
- Miley would have raged at badmins
- Miley probably would then have gone to fight.
If it would happen more than one round or for longer, then I think it would be ban worthy, but for now I'm letting Miley off with a warning because there isn't enough evidence otherwise (I know we talked a little about this in irc so hopefully this isn't too much of a surprise :D )
Locking thread.
If you asked me to join the fight I would have argued it IF YOU WERE WRONG. WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND. AFAIK you never warned me so don't even lie about letting me off with a warning you power hungry gilipollas.
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Miley has a little history of delaying rounds in ban history, but a single round of 16 seconds at the end (when it looks like the round is pretty much over anyways) isn't enough to give a ban.
If I would have been on the server:
- I probably would have asked Miley to please join the fight
- Miley would have raged at badmins
- Miley probably would then have gone to fight.
If it would happen more than one round or for longer, then I think it would be ban worthy, but for now I'm letting Miley off with a warning because there isn't enough evidence otherwise (I know we talked a little about this in irc so hopefully this isn't too much of a surprise :D )
Locking thread.
If you asked me to join the fight I would have argued it IF YOU WERE WRONG. WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND. AFAIK you never warned me so don't even lie about letting me off with a warning you power hungry gilipollas.
I wasn't there, but I said I'm letting you off with a warning because I chose not to ban you in the ban thread, I never said (or meant to say) that I gave you a warning in game for your actions, I'm just saying that I probably would have if I was there.
But at least you still have the rage part down, so it's almost like I was there now. Thanks for making it feel more authentic.
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Shine, I'll give you two gum rappers and a half eaten apple if you temp ban some particular people. Don't pass this deal up man....
The offer is still on the table.
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Oh I remember why I hate you now.
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Where did shine disappear too?
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I've been playing a few other games lately, plus my mouse is currently bad and I CBA to buy a new one yet.
I'm sure I'll be around at some point though; cRPG is like joining a gang - you can never really leave.
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It's just that... Well... Your the only other person that I know of that lives in Wisconsin.... And.... well..... I feel as if that leaves a sexual tie between us that can not be broken.
Better that average admin 2/10
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It's just that... Well... Your the only other person that I know of that lives in Wisconsin.... And.... well..... I feel as if that leaves a sexual tie between us that can not be broken.
Better that average admin 2/10
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Play moar
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ok if you insist
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mr shine best admin
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Is he even still alive?
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MrShine is experiencing a lot of real life stuff at the moment, things that require his full attention.
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MrShine is experiencing a lot of real life stuff at the moment, things that require his full attention.
(aka a screaming baby)
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Congrats! Hope your little one is doing well. Luckily I do not work early mornings, so I have some CRPG time once my critter falls asleep. At least CRPG isn't an MMORPG or DotA where you are stuck for an hour or more once you start playing. You can step away from your computer at a moment's notice and not fuck over your allies.
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this little bundle of sticks beat me in duel
fucking shitmin
shitty moustache
shitty admin
shitmoustmin
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in retrospect, 10-4
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Needs to play more Hearthstone and post it.
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Needs to play more Hearthstone and post it.
My mic came in today, so I will :P