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Title: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 06, 2012, 07:17:14 pm
Druzhina army of 800 tickets was waiting for 2 days inside the Reindi Castle, not doing anything, not even when I raided the castle, as my 300 tickets were merely a threat to the Reindi 1000 tickets in population. Just as the castle got surrounded by 1000+ armies of Druzhinas enemies, the 800 ticket army attacked the Reindi Castle to take over the castle from the another banned cheater. This, in my eyes and Im sure Im not the only one, is waiting for the right time to exploit the 24 hour lock for conquering the castle...To be honest this is getting very annoying as they keep exploiting whatever they can even after the last events...
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 06, 2012, 07:18:03 pm
No Strategus no problems :mrgreen:
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Aku_Ankka on November 06, 2012, 07:20:22 pm
When devs will make exploiting impossible. (aka. never)
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 06, 2012, 07:21:53 pm
Quote from: IR_Kuoin on November 06, 2012, 07:18:03 pm
No Strategus no problems :mrgreen:

joining 1000+ ticket battles with average equip takes about 20-40 minutes and you get 100-700k exps :)
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Keshian on November 06, 2012, 09:42:19 pm
Quote from: Mongolista on November 06, 2012, 07:17:14 pm
Druzhina army of 800 tickets was waiting for 2 days inside the Reindi Castle, not doing anything, not even when I raided the castle, as my 300 tickets were merely a threat to the Reindi 1000 tickets in population. Just as the castle got surrounded by 1000+ armies of Druzhinas enemies, the 800 ticket army attacked the Reindi Castle to take over the castle from the another banned cheater. This, in my eyes and Im sure Im not the only one, is waiting for the right time to exploit the 24 hour lock for conquering the castle...To be honest this is getting very annoying as they keep exploiting whatever they can even after the last events...

Attacking your own fief to delay an opposing army from atatcking is not allowed by developers and they likely will implement al-adin pretty soon unless they are completely oblivious.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Rogue on November 06, 2012, 09:52:43 pm
We already contacted the devs about it. Pretty clear case of DRZ locking their banned friends fief to delay us while our armies are all over them.

The battle in question (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battledetail&id=1259)
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Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Kalp on November 06, 2012, 09:54:46 pm
What if DRZ and Vendetta are no friends anymore ?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 06, 2012, 10:00:04 pm
Quote from: Kalp on November 06, 2012, 09:54:46 pm
What if DRZ and Vendetta are no friends anymore ?  :rolleyes:

Vendetta doesnt exist anymore as it was found out majority of the members were just multiaccounts:) Why would then Druzhina wait for 2 days in the castle before taking it? Besides it was them who supported Vendetta and got them all the equip and tickets, they were basically manipulating Vendetta so I guess they wouldn't turn their back on these after giving them so much gear and tickets
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Crob28 on November 06, 2012, 10:11:39 pm
Looks like they decided if they're gonna go down for cheating, they're gonna go down cheating HARD!

Surely now the dark forces will rise....
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Firebrand on November 06, 2012, 10:46:34 pm
Quote from: Crob28 on November 06, 2012, 10:11:39 pm
Looks like they decided if they're gonna go down for cheating, they're gonna go down cheating HARD!

Surely now the dark forces will rise....
Its shame for me that russian clan was cheating(i am russian aswell). They have already big advantage for their huge carebear alliance with closed borders, but they decided to go even far - to cheat, its real shame, and no fun.  :evil:
Its just fucking game u should play for fun to have same abilities as others! I don't get this shit honestly why ppl do this crap!  :evil:
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Vovka on November 06, 2012, 11:57:49 pm
Quote from: Mongolista on November 06, 2012, 07:17:14 pm
Druzhina army of 800 tickets was waiting for 2 days inside the Reindi Castle, not doing anything, not even when I raided the castle, as my 300 tickets were merely a threat to the Reindi 1000 tickets in population. Just as the castle got surrounded by 1000+ armies of Druzhinas enemies, the 800 ticket army attacked the Reindi Castle to take over the castle from the another banned cheater. This, in my eyes and Im sure Im not the only one, is waiting for the right time to exploit the 24 hour lock for conquering the castle...To be honest this is getting very annoying as they keep exploiting whatever they can even after the last events...

Vendetta is not exist as a faction anymore, so we take free fiefs for ourselves. Castle was been under attack (raid) so we attack only on next day. So dont write shit pls in the hope that we been banned. u can Attack and try take it tomorrow  :P
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 12:18:36 am
Please, you have been there for hours and hours before I even got there as well as you have been waiting there for the whole day after I got back to our castle...doesn't seem to me like u have been really rushing into taking over

P.S.: for more info, click on my spoiler in my signature
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Vovka on November 07, 2012, 12:21:33 am
Quote from: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 12:18:36 am
Please, you have been there for hours and hours before I even got there as well as you have been waiting there for the whole day after I got back to our castle...doesn't seem to me like u have been really rushing into taking over

P.S.: for more info, click on my spoiler in my signature
we were here from morning (its not our prime time) so we wanted wait to 7-8PM, but u make attack (raid) in 2PM

P.S. Next time have balls and try  take castle with 1 attack  :P
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 12:31:14 am
The owner of the Rendi castle is banned, so as the owners of other Vendetta fiefs. There is no way this castle can be transferred to anyone without attack.
And we will take as many fiefs as we can.

Same as union lands, we and our allies have to attack them to take over, since union is no longer active.
Maybe if Admins not busy enough to ban AntiUif members for multi accounting and account sharing, then u will have to attack fiefs of ur allies.
Its not our problem that you grown some balls and decided to attack only when clans got wiped by admin powers and came to Rendi castle just when we wanted to take it.

Next time try to post something better : "Stop cheating UIF they use armors and weapons in battles! PLEASE MAKE THEM STOP!!!"
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 12:47:30 am
you had two 800 ticket armies between Halmar, Unuzdaq and Reindi for two days before I launched the attack, you knew there will be no resistance from the defenders, you only needed one attacker to be present at the fight as it is your friends who are accepting ppl in roster in defence, you didnt really have to wait till your "playing time"
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Noctivagant on November 07, 2012, 12:53:23 am
UIF talking about balls, while they couldn't do a single attack on a clan without help of others.... well! that's entertaining to read.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Haboe on November 07, 2012, 12:57:09 am
Soooo... They cheated together troops and gold to get those fiefs, then admitted to have cheated, all but a few got banned, and conveniently big bro DRZ waits for the enemy to waste time and equipment before they free al those cheated sweets for themselves again....

I see chadz knitting till his hands bleed... Carpets need to be made...
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Tonyukuk on November 07, 2012, 12:59:49 am
When i wake up , i'll give ''+'' to  everybody who takes ''-'' from pejlaen.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 02:30:31 am
Quote from: Haboe on November 07, 2012, 12:57:09 am
Soooo... They cheated together troops and gold to get those fiefs, then admitted to have cheated, all but a few got banned, and conveniently big bro DRZ waits for the enemy to waste time and equipment before they free al those cheated sweets for themselves again....

I see chadz knitting till his hands bleed... Carpets need to be made...

Are u completely retarded or just half way. Forum is filled with your tears, all i see on forum is crying Anti Uif, specially mercs, day and night. U not satisfied we still defending ourselves and not all of us quit yet?

Go dup some gold u cry more.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 03:15:40 am
Quote from: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 02:30:31 am
Are u completely retarded or just half way. Forum is filled with your tears, all i see on forum is crying Anti Uif, specially mercs, day and night. U not satisfied we still defending ourselves and not all of us quit yet?

Go dup some gold u cry more.

Could you possibly explain why, when you knew nobody will be put on the roster on the defending side since the leader of the castle got banned as well as Vendetta are your friends and wouldnt fight against you, did you wait with the attack "till your play time to get the most players online" when you were in such a big hurry to get the fiefs of your friends to your hands? You knew you only need 1 attacker that will show up and get the victory for your team. This, to me, does not seem like a very trustful argument to why did you attack 3 days after your army showed up above our castle, sounds more like a made up excuse to cover the 24h battle lock exploit

P.S.: I don't personally give a f... if you quit or keep on playing, I just don't want people to exploit/cheat the shit out of strategus, as I find the whole system really interesting; and if somebody finds it difficult to play by the rules, they are pretty much calling for some cool-down time
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Vovka on November 07, 2012, 03:20:55 am
Quote from: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 03:15:40 am
Could you possibly explain why, when you knew nobody will be put on the roster on the defending side since the leader of the castle got banned as well as Vendetta are your friends and wouldnt fight against you, did you wait with the attack "till your play time to get the most players online" when you were in such a big hurry to get the fiefs of your friends to your hands? You knew you only need 1 attacker that will show up and get the victory for your team. This, to me, does not seem like a very trustful argument to why did you attack 3 days after your army showed up above our castle, sounds more like a made up excuse to cover the 24h battle lock exploit
cos u need man with rank 5 from Vendetta or Ai will accept randoms  :D
Now i leav that topic for idiots XD
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 03:25:43 am
oh there is more, will u ever stop asking questions?

Union got banned first, we was going to their lands to defend them, when vendetta got attacked we split up,
1 attacked uxkhal, 1 grunwalder and 3rd one came to attack rendi,
3rd one should have waited until evening to attack it, but u did it first and messed up our plan


anymore stupid questions? this TS and IRC got enough shit about us already don't u think

u cried about fucked up economy and chadz fixed it for you
that wasn't enough so they banned half of UIF without checking Anti Uif
and that isn't enough for u... what else do u want wounder boy?

u not the one we should explain anything to, if admin need to know something they can ask themselves

PS: omg :(( i'm idiot now for replying to this, damn, no more comments on this stupid topic
u like silly kids, cry all over forum and admins give u ur toys like mommy.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 03:28:52 am
Quote from: Vovka on November 07, 2012, 03:20:55 am
cos u need man with rank 5 from Vendetta or Ai will accept randoms  :D
Now i leav that topic for idiots XD

This is pretty much why ppl hate you, you can't behave and have to insult everybody around you, way to go!!
Are you then telling me none of those 15 Vendetta members who left there are rank 5+?
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 03:33:24 am
Quote from: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 03:25:43 am
u cried about fucked up economy and chadz fixed it for you
that wasn't enough so they banned half of UIF without checking Anti Uif
and that isn't enough for u... what else do u want wounder boy?

u not the one we should explain anything to, if admin need to know something they can ask themselves

PS: omg :(( i'm idiot now for replying to this, damn, no more comments on this stupid topic
u like silly kids, cry all over forum and admins give u ur toys like mommy.
I have literally no idea what are you talking about, right now I see just one boy crying...
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Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Lizard_man on November 07, 2012, 03:35:47 am
Quote from: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 03:33:24 am
right now I see just one boy crying...

I was thinking the same, he goes on about people crying and calls them silly kids. And all i see in that post, is a silly kid crying... :|
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on November 07, 2012, 03:52:26 am
Quote from: Vovka on November 07, 2012, 12:21:33 am
we were here from morning (its not our prime time) so we wanted wait to 7-8PM, but u make attack (raid) in 2PM

P.S. Next time have balls and try  take castle with 1 attack  :P


I seem to remember it taking DRZ literally nine attempts to take a certain little castle in one of the previous strats.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: BaleOhay on November 07, 2012, 04:56:45 am
not everyone can be a Boss like the FCC and take a City in 1 try.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: dodnet on November 07, 2012, 08:28:11 am
Quote from: Vovka on November 07, 2012, 12:21:33 am
P.S. Next time have balls and try  take castle with 1 attack  :P

Like the big balls your comrades the Bashis had when raiding Uzudagh for several days? I see...

I had quite some respect for you Vovka because I thought youre a good guy, but with all this cheating shit and dick moves like this I really lost any hope for any of the UIF. If I were member of one of those clans I couldnt bear staying in it.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Andswaru on November 07, 2012, 08:48:36 am
Why all the DRZ hate guys, they did nothing wrong. Unlike you Knights of Ni heros who should all be suffering 48hr server bans for abusing us for over 1hour in the battle yesterday afternoon on EU3, if we interested enough to take screenshots of all that rubbish you were yelling at us over general chat.

You raided the castle when the DRZ guy wasnt online so after the 24hr period (the raid time) passed the DRZ guy simply clicked attacked to take the castle before you could (As Nebun said they were waiting for a primetime battle slot since noone in the Vendetta faction is available to do the roster due to 1 guy controlling the accounts of all important strat members: http://forum.meleegaming.com/global/strategus-multiaccounting-unban-thread/msg647306/#msg647306).

This isnt cheat nor exploiting its simply a very strategically position castle given the current map situation. DRZ need this castle as much as you do, just because they wanted to wait for an evening battle slot while you are happy to take an afternoon slot forcing them into an afternoon attack. Im sure PTX has explained several times too "your side" the importance of this castle.

So pull your socks up, stop raging at DRZ for playing the game and wanting primetime battles, and be prepared to attack against a roster controlled castle.

Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Haboe on November 07, 2012, 10:37:17 am
Quote from: Andswaru on November 07, 2012, 08:48:36 am
Why all the DRZ hate guys, they did nothing wrong.

You kidding me?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: KingBread on November 07, 2012, 11:36:46 am
Quote from: Haboe on November 07, 2012, 10:37:17 am
You kidding me?  :rolleyes:

Shh DRZ is one of the last UIF clan who was not affected by ban wave hard. I plus 1 them for that they definitelly learn their lesson and now change ip every time they want to log or they NO MULTI ACCOUNT ANYMORE !!!IMO Vovka deserve a cookie :)
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 11:43:29 am
Awww, dear Andswaru, your pretty English does not make it any better, if you by 1 hour general chat abusing you mean the 3 sentences where I accused Greys and Druzhinas of cheating (plain fact, I sure want them to get this reputation as Im pretty sure their leadership knew about the multiaccounts but kept on hidding the fact) and Lech of spamming (little bit of in-battle rage, I myself could stand all the BashiBazouk rage back at me), while being myself accused by your battle mates for being a noob, then yes, I am a very bad person for my high temper while having to face the clan of cheaters even after it has been proved there was like half of them cheating, yet all that was done was the players were banned and the clan could just easily take over the lost castles and keep on playing without any big harm to their territory/gear/tickets they may have obtained through cheating, it pisses me off

Could you then explain why did they not attack the castle when they had 3 big armies right over there and went on to take The Union castles first? Reindi castle seems to be of much higher priority since it is right on the edge with their enemies, their army in fact was at first circling around the Reindi castle and when I got there to raid the castle, they were hidden in the castle (okay they were waiting for the primetime), and suddenly when I finished the raid, they attacked at 10am which isn't their primetime?

P.S.: Seriously, how pathetic must one be to go after one guy whos shouting everyone in the battle is noob and spammer, while supporting a clan full of cheaters and not caring a bit :|
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Andswaru on November 07, 2012, 12:12:25 pm
Quote from: Haboe on November 07, 2012, 10:37:17 am
You kidding me?  :rolleyes:
Spend some time on the DRZ teamspeak and see all the members that play everyday I think its about 1/4 of the active crpg population, on the servers daily.


Yes I can explain it, Union were banned in the first wave, and the Vendetta guys in the second wave. Noone from DRZ knew anyone from Vendetta would be banned until the armies were already travelling down to Union lands (otherwise we could both agree I think that its really fucking stupid to leave that top part so exposed).
They were forced too attack outside of primetime to stop you attacking outside of primetime... either way they (and their allies) are forced to try and provide a none prime time roster, so why not try and make the most of a crappy situation (fighting outside primetime) by claiming the castle first?

I have also said often enough, that I hope all cheaters are perma banned and I stick by this position. This position applies to ANY faction be they allies, enemies or neutral. I hope you have a clearer picture now Mongolia if not feel free to ask any follow up questions.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Rebelyell on November 07, 2012, 12:17:24 pm
I dont care who have right.
I care about that then you cheated or something, you breake fun for us and others and countless amount of players that can't to play strat because your block and respond to it control whole map in 1 big pointless clasterfuck where everyone go turtleface.

You breake game for others and you call idiots peps that feels wrong about that atack on banned peps fiefs,
ofc they will whine about that.
Tell me how many acc have been baned in your faction or in UIF 5, 10, 50? more?
If you have 10 guys that multiaccount with 2 cdkeys that gives you 20 active my old friends that really dangerous on map, you can take over with them many many small factions, you probably did that,
Tel me how many fiefs have you got from multi acc during the voting day? 1, 2, 5 more?
No one fucking know how big influence that scumebag move have on map now,
In my opinion you should lose all that armies and fiefs, everything that belong to cheters, maybe that will lern you to not cheat....

I hope then I am wrong but I think then you will cheat even more now, cheaters gonna cheat.
In eays of comunity you are all cheaters and you always will be, thats your problem now you created that situation.


sorry for my poor polienglisch
No offence I just my opinion, I just wanted to tell that and somehow I found that place best
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Andswaru on November 07, 2012, 12:20:04 pm
Quote from: Rebelyell on November 07, 2012, 12:17:24 pm
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Rebel i agree with your general position, but each faction should be punished seperately after all you wouldnt want the templars to be held responsible (as an alliance partner) if for example Shield Bruders were all banned for Multi accounting would you?
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Rebelyell on November 07, 2012, 12:38:13 pm
Quote from: Andswaru on November 07, 2012, 12:20:04 pm
Rebel i agree with your general position, but each faction should be punished seperately after all you wouldnt want the templars to be held responsible (as an alliance partner) if for example Shield Bruders were all banned for Multi accounting would you?
dude do you remember VR?
that scumebags was 1 of the biggest reasons why we lost on desert last time, I hope they are permbaned now all of them :P
I agree and diss agree.
SB are IMPORTANT part of OUR aliance and we thrust them in that case we are one not 2 every action is cause by 1.
I agree to your question but that I also manipulation with 1 good answer.
I dissagre because you have to know with who you are and what that can bring to you, after all peps will remember you from that bad side
like always.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 12:41:32 pm
Ok, I have no more arguments, I guess it does make sense, at the same time I feel like my stupid action of raiding the castle just gave them an excuse they can use now, anyway I am locking this topic and I want to apologize for calling that move exploiting, it may as well be just a normal thing everyone would do being the situations around like this. I still do have respect for Nords, who did not do anything wrong and a little bit for BashiBazouks who, as it was found, play with no multi-accounters among their lines. I do not feel like changing any statement concerning cheating of Greys or Druzhina who should be at least ashamed of themselves instead of attacking everybody for being a crybabies about their cheating, I dont really know what they were expecting, people calling them heroes? Doesn't matter anymore, see ya on the battlefield!

Ni!
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Segd on November 07, 2012, 12:46:27 pm
Quote from: Rebelyell on November 07, 2012, 12:38:13 pm
dude do you remember VR?
that scumebags was 1 of the biggest reasons why we lost on desert last time, I hope they are permbaned now all of them :P
It was Vashe(VR_Tur guy)  :lol: Same guy who invented new "crpg calculator"  :rolleyes:
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Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 05:00:22 pm
I am unlocking this topic as I just found out there WAS a Vendetta guy with rank 5+ who could invite/not invite defenders against DRZ attack whos argument about waiting for the primetime then fails...

Facts: At 10am this morning the druzhina army conquered the Reindi castle which had 1 defender (Im guessing not much of an AI accepting defenders there), few hours later The Coalition attacks another of the Vendetta castles and suddenly there is some Vendetta guy who CAN invite druzhina, greys and others for defence...

It almost feels like I have been tricked by their invalid argument (I wonder if the admins did as well) and Im pretty sure giving a false excuse for cheating/situations-that-seem-like-exploiting turns into a perma-ban, am I correct?
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
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Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Segd on November 07, 2012, 05:05:57 pm
Quote from: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 05:00:22 pm
I am unlocking this topic as I just found out there WAS a Vendetta guy with rank 5+ who could invite/not invite defenders against DRZ attack whos argument about waiting for the primetime then fails...

Facts: At 10am this morning the druzhina army conquered the Reindi castle which had 1 defender (Im guessing not much of an AI accepting defenders there), few hours later The Coalition attacks another of the Vendetta castles and suddenly there is some Vendetta guy who CAN invite druzhina, greys and others for defence...

It almost feels like I have been tricked by their invalid argument (I wonder if the admins did as well) and Im pretty sure giving a false excuse for cheating/situations-that-seem-like-exploiting turns into a perma-ban, am I correct?
Wrong. There are still 2 Vendetta ppl with rank 5 but both was afk. Otherwise they could sign some guys for that morning battle & we won't lost 900 castle population.
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1259
Reindi Castle
Population: 104
Owner: Druzhina_NoobSaibot
Army: 0
Gold: 0
Price: 7
S&D: 1754
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 05:08:07 pm
Quote from: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 05:00:22 pm
I am unlocking this topic as I just found out there WAS a Vendetta guy with rank 5+ who could invite/not invite defenders against DRZ attack whos argument about waiting for the primetime then fails...

Facts: At 10am this morning the druzhina army conquered the Reindi castle which had 1 defender (Im guessing not much of an AI accepting defenders there), few hours later The Coalition attacks another of the Vendetta castles and suddenly there is some Vendetta guy who CAN invite druzhina, greys and others for defence...

It almost feels like I have been tricked by their invalid argument (I wonder if the admins did as well) and Im pretty sure giving a false excuse for cheating/situations-that-seem-like-exploiting turns into a perma-ban, am I correct?

there is a vendetta guy with rank 5 who doesn't own any fiefs and can sign up for battles, what does that have to do with anything?
he can't pass on the fief so it has to be taken through attack
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 05:12:23 pm
fief owner is banned!!! this is the bottom line, if he wasn't banned he would just join our faction and transfer fief to us without attack
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Vovka on November 07, 2012, 05:15:26 pm
Quote from: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 05:00:22 pm
It almost feels like I have been tricked by their invalid argument (I wonder if the admins did as well) and Im pretty sure giving a false excuse for cheating/situations-that-seem-like-exploiting turns into a perma-ban, am I correct?
ur brain tricked u  :cry: Iam not doctor but can surely say what u are idiot  :cry: My condolences to your family
p.s. now close it again pls  :P
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 05:22:51 pm
Quote from: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 05:08:07 pm
there is a vendetta guy with rank 5 who doesn't own any fiefs and can sign up for battles, what does that have to do with anything?
he can't pass on the fief so it has to be taken through attack

This would mean you knew about the fact the defender roster would not get full (as you claimed that there is no 5+ rank vendetta guy and so the AI will start accepting defenders, which is an argument you used for waiting so long in the castle for your "primetime" to get the most players to the battle, which was completely unnecessary as you knew nobody will defend the castle, thus your arguments for staying in that castle and wanting to wait the whole day till your "primetime" completely fails, my attack on the castle only justified the pause between the attack after like 12pm till the next day, but doesnt give you an excuse for doing nothing between the early morning/late night you got in the castle and did just wait for nothing coz you knew you will get the castle for free with no big army needed (for the price of the population)...still seems like you were just waiting for the "right" time to extend the time of the coalition expansion to get your boarders ready, more than waiting for the "right" time to be able to claim that castle yours:)
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Vovka on November 07, 2012, 05:32:06 pm
Quote from: Mongolista on November 07, 2012, 05:22:51 pm
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get out shit 1st from that helmet  :P
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Rebelyell on November 07, 2012, 09:50:06 pm
Quote from: Segd on November 07, 2012, 12:46:27 pm
It was Vashe(VR_Tur guy)  :lol: Same guy who invented new "crpg calculator"  :rolleyes:
http://forum.meleegaming.com/announcements/do-not-launch-files-from-untrusted-sources!/
good, permbaned
gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mike_of_Kingswell on November 07, 2012, 11:45:06 pm
Yet another classy move  :lol:

And starring again in this weeks episode: the recurring character "devil's advocat" played by yours truely Andswaru!
Round of applause for the one and only!
King in of the North!

Andswaru your performance is not only entertaining but it never ceases to make me smile. I award you the Bullshit-of-the-week-award for just reading your first post in this topic!
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Keshian on November 08, 2012, 01:29:19 am
14 v 1000 

Sounds completely legitimate and Occitan are definitely not cheating by doing that.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Lizard_man on November 08, 2012, 02:34:55 am
Quote from: Mike_of_Kingswell on November 07, 2012, 11:45:06 pm
Andswaru your performance is not only entertaining but it never ceases to make me smile. I award you the Bullshit-of-the-week-award for just reading your first post in this topic!

Such a shame, these other guys don't stand a chance of winning that award with Andswaru around... :cry:
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Butan on November 08, 2012, 03:02:56 am
I dont really see where is the cheating in this matter; and I see too much predictable accusations from one side of the war to the other.

When I see good players from good clans like nords and mercs, building hate toward each other: nothing good can come from that and I can already see how this shit will transpose to cRPG relations and poison the community.

More objectivity, less angry shouts... except to say things like EMPALE THEM WITH YOUR SWORDS!
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Haboe on November 08, 2012, 10:35:48 am
Quote from: Butan on November 08, 2012, 03:02:56 am
I dont really see where is the cheating in this matter; and I see too much predictable accusations from one side of the war to the other.

When I see good players from good clans like nords and mercs, building hate toward each other: nothing good can come from that and I can already see how this shit will transpose to cRPG relations and poison the community.

More objectivity, less angry shouts... except to say things like EMPALE THEM WITH YOUR SWORDS!

There is no cheating in the actions of DRZ in this case (as far as i know).
What i do know is that almost all V's have been banned for multiaccounting. Therefore i greatly support a full carpetwipe for all their fiefs.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Osiris on November 08, 2012, 10:46:23 am
I just think some certain people are pissed that they didn't get the chance to attack the banned players first  :rolleyes: The guys who cheated got banned that's it. you don't get a reward just because they were punished :D
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Vibe on November 08, 2012, 10:56:42 am
Quote from: Osiris on November 08, 2012, 10:46:23 am
I just think some certain people are pissed that they didn't get the chance to attack the banned players first  :rolleyes: The guys who cheated got banned that's it. you don't get a reward just because they were punished :D

Seems that only me and Osiris are able to be unbiased in this whole strat nerdrage competition.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Haboe on November 08, 2012, 11:05:50 am
Quote from: Vibe on November 08, 2012, 10:56:42 am
Seems that only me and Osiris are able to be unbiased in this whole strat nerdrage competition.

How is it biased to say that a banned clan deserves a complete wipe of fiefs? :)
That way neither side gets any of the cheated troops/ equipment.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Lepintoi on November 08, 2012, 11:11:04 am
I will get alot of shit over me for this but i agree. Its just a tactical decision to attack the castle before we can, nothing more nothing less. Man up :p
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Jarlek on November 08, 2012, 04:32:02 pm
Quote from: Lepintoi on November 08, 2012, 11:11:04 am
I will get alot of shit over me for this but i agree. Its just a tactical decision to attack the castle before we can, nothing more nothing less. Man up :p
But, they got banned and shit, and and, only I should be allowed to attack them then, man. It ain't fair, man.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Mongolista on November 08, 2012, 07:30:42 pm
big laugh to kelp and zapper who keep giving negative vote on each of my comments in hope it will make their penis bigger and positive vote on each of druzhina/nord comment in hope it will get their mouth closer to their penis :mrgreen:

PS: Go on, give me another one
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Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: BlindGuy on November 08, 2012, 07:52:22 pm
Quote from: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 03:25:43 am

that wasn't enough so they banned half of UIF without checking Anti Uif


There is no Anti-UIF...theres just 2 sides here buddy: UIF on one side, and players who dont cheat on the other...simples
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Segd on November 08, 2012, 09:12:33 pm
Quote from: BlindGuy on November 08, 2012, 07:52:22 pm
There is no Anti-UIF...theres just 2 sides here buddy: UIF on one side, and players who dont cheat on the other...simples
Says Templar  :wink:
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 08, 2012, 10:07:47 pm
Sometimes I wonder if Blindguy is intoxicated while posting on the forums
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Kirbyy on November 09, 2012, 12:26:43 am
Quick question... what does this locking of the castle do? It could be self explanatory, but I'm still a bit confused, it's a new term to me.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on November 09, 2012, 01:51:00 am
Quote from: Nebun on November 07, 2012, 03:25:43 am
they banned half of UIF without checking Anti Uif
The difference is we were not stupid enough to get caught multi-accounting, because the devs already proved in the past that they can detect it. Not our fault that you don't learn from history. Multi-accounting in strategus is as idiotic of a move as using autoblock, you will get caught.


Think.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: dodnet on November 09, 2012, 10:37:28 am
Quote from: LookItsMountNBladeMan on November 09, 2012, 12:26:43 am
Quick question... what does this locking of the castle do?

While the fief is under attack it can't be attacked by anyone else and you can't sell stuff there.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Andswaru on November 09, 2012, 10:57:15 am
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on November 09, 2012, 01:51:00 am
The difference is we were not stupid enough to get caught multi-accounting
Think.

I know you didnt mean it how it reads tears but you gave me my diplo laugh of the day, Thankyou.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: BlackMilk on November 09, 2012, 11:06:22 am
Quote from: Tears of Destiny on November 09, 2012, 01:51:00 am
Multi-accounting in strategus is as idiotic of a move as using autoblock, you will get caught.
THIS!

Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Molly on November 09, 2012, 11:19:22 am
Well, I am playing Strat but more in a casual and non-no-lifing way...

From my understanding a huge part of one clan got banned for having more than 1 account per player, correct?
After reading the whole thread, I could only find one (1) single good argument that completely makes sense to me:

Too lazy to look for the quote (I think it was Rebelyell) but someone said something along the line:

If 10 people had 1 extra account, they could vote for 20 people. This has obviously the effect that they must have gotten some fiefs they shouldn't/couldn't have otherwise. Every other assumption just isnt probable, at least to my understanding.
This would mean that from minute 1 the whole Strategus-round is complete and utter bullshit.

Every single troop, good or piece of gold earned by those fiefs are cheated troops/goods/gold.

So, considering that fiefs were cheated for, gold was cheated for, troops were cheated for, goods were cheated for... the only way to get this round on a decent, sensable and fair way is by completely starting over.
If you people keep playing this way, there is no Strategus anymore as long as this round goes on.

...but then again, I am just a random guy, playing Strategus out of curiosity, no clan, former Bandit, knowing Panös, loyal to Gnjus. Why should anyone care about my opinion, right?  :|
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 09, 2012, 12:07:03 pm
Just me or was strategus way better back in 2011?
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: dodnet on November 09, 2012, 12:44:22 pm
Everything always was better in the past... but that could also be our minds fooling us.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: kinngrimm on November 09, 2012, 01:01:51 pm
Quote from: benkei on November 09, 2012, 11:19:22 am
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If 10 people had 1 extra account, they could vote for 20 people. This has obviously the effect that they must have gotten some fiefs they shouldn't/couldn't have otherwise. Every other assumption just isnt probable, at least to my understanding.
This would mean that from minute 1 the whole Strategus-round is complete and utter bullshit.

Every single troop, good or piece of gold earned by those fiefs are cheated troops/goods/gold.

So, considering that fiefs were cheated for, gold was cheated for, troops were cheated for, goods were cheated for... the only way to get this round on a decent, sensable and fair way is by completely starting over.
If you people keep playing this way, there is no Strategus anymore as long as this round goes on.
...
you do have a point there and from whomever you got the idear.
Still it is not as simple i take it. A reset also involves some work and therefor i could understand the hesitation of the devs not do one till major changes to game mechanics had been implemented, not speaking here about trade system changes or PP respec.
Also people have already bitten their teeth into this strategus and it would be interesting to see some things to be played out. Nevertheless, if possible and new game mechanic implementation in the near future would be done, another reset is not out of the question i hope.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: Camaris on November 11, 2012, 12:22:35 pm
Everybody knows that some part of this community is exploiting the hell out of the game as long it´s not a known issue etc.
It has been that way for a long time.
Title: Re: When will the cheaters stop exploiting whatever they can?
Post by: BlindGuy on November 11, 2012, 12:27:18 pm
Its true! Like HRE trying to milk x5 on siege  :mrgreen: