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Title: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: matt2507 on November 05, 2012, 08:12:36 pm
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THIS IS STUPID !

Stop nerfing cavs by increasing costs of repairs, THIS IS STUPID !

You nerfed the heavy lance, my horse can die with a single arrow and in addition, you increase the repairs ???
Why ?

I lost more than 20,000 golds in two days with a stuf lower than before the patch..


Before, the interest of the mod was to win the gold and set aside to buy the good stuff,
Now we play for repairing medium stuff...

Why us make an economic system where we make money if it is to remove it behind ?

Repairs are sick of this mod.

Thank you for making me pay 2000 gold every 2 rounds so that I could get killed in one hit !
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Cris on November 05, 2012, 08:14:08 pm
Trying playing Horse Archer, we pay for arrow upkeep too.

But then again, it has been so from almost the beginning of upkeep patch ages ago
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Tore on November 05, 2012, 08:14:57 pm
1+

Horse repairs chance should get lowered by riding skill.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 05, 2012, 08:15:43 pm
Trying playing Horse Archer, we pay for arrow upkeep too.
You deserve it for shooting my horse xbower pumpkin head all the time!
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Kelugarn on November 05, 2012, 08:22:37 pm
I thought riding already lowered horse repair frequency.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Son Of Odin on November 05, 2012, 08:27:46 pm
I thought riding already lowered horse repair frequency.
Never heard about that being actually implemented. It was suggested in the past but I didn't see any signs of implementation.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Ujin on November 05, 2012, 08:41:34 pm
I wouldn't say my champion cataphract is useless , but it really dies way too fast to ranged when you keep in mind that it's less agile than non-armored horses and the upkeep is 3k.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 05, 2012, 08:44:19 pm
Oh yeah, make repair for horses go down to the original amount, battlefield full of tank horses and elephants.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on November 05, 2012, 09:02:49 pm
Ive noticed an increase in horse repairs as well. Not a huge deal, on NA almost no one uses armored horses.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Dexxtaa on November 05, 2012, 09:12:11 pm
Ive noticed an increase in horse repairs as well. Not a huge deal, on NA almost no one uses armored horses.

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Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Aderyn on November 05, 2012, 09:16:30 pm
nerf cav harder.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: LordBerenger on November 05, 2012, 09:53:36 pm
Buff archers and Buff cav and make servers 50% cav and 50% archers (foot) and have epic archers vs cav clashes.

Fuck footmy old friend melee'ers. Had to respec into 2h from lancer because they gay'd lancer down so much. Ewww
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Tears of Destiny on November 05, 2012, 09:55:37 pm
Had to respec into 2h from lancer because they gay'd lancer down so much. Ewww


Oh you poor thing, Lancer cav was nerfed so you had to go and become the super-difficult class of two handed hero.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Smoothrich on November 05, 2012, 10:10:32 pm
itt:  people asking cav to be buffed in any way

get out
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: LordBerenger on November 05, 2012, 10:10:45 pm

Oh you poor thing, Lancer cav was nerfed so you had to go and become the super-difficult class of two handed hero.  :rolleyes:

Meh could've gone shielder as well or polearm but went 2h with Great Sword so i can jump backwards and S key whilst spamming thrust.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Brrrak on November 05, 2012, 10:15:19 pm
Buff our horses so we can ride to the sun.

Buff our plate so we can withstand its terrible heat.

Buff our two-handed weapons so we can conquer the sun.

Buff our shields so we may hold the sun.

Buff our INT scores so we may praise the sun.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Pollux on November 05, 2012, 10:16:26 pm
if you want to be top gun, you have to pay the top price.

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Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Smoothrich on November 05, 2012, 10:41:42 pm
Meh could've gone shielder as well or polearm but went 2h with Great Sword so i can jump backwards and S key whilst spamming thrust.

thrust well my child
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: matt2507 on November 05, 2012, 11:40:21 pm

Oh you poor thing, Lancer cav was nerfed so you had to go and become the super-difficult class of two handed hero.  :rolleyes:

the problem is not the nerf, the problem is the cost increase over the nerf.
both directly remove all horses and just leave rouncey, we win our time..
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Digglez on November 05, 2012, 11:44:54 pm
armored horses are pretty worthless after the leg dmg nerfing

when you see 95% of the horses in strat are rouncies should be a big lightbulb that something should be redone.

Why are other horses x3 - x6 times more expensive than the starndard horse.  For that amount of money they should actually have their armor fucking do something instead of being 1 hittable in the legs.
I dont know many situations in RL where 1 animal is worth 6 of another type when they accomplish the same task

Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: LordBerenger on November 06, 2012, 12:18:04 am
thrust well my child

I have trust in thrust my most trusted father.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Ikarus on November 06, 2012, 08:28:50 am
Cav? Fuck no, too expensive and it always gets shot, it´s not worth it.

There you got your "nerf cav", you foolish archers, OUT OF MY WAY, STOOPID HorseArcherJackie I´m ANGRY HRRRN
(click to show/hide)
I´m glad that I got a hybrid char, so it´s not that big deal for me :P Still, too damn high
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 06, 2012, 08:54:27 am
How you think it was for me doing my plated charger gen?

Horse got 1shot by str noobs who hit my horse in the legs :cry:
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Taser on November 06, 2012, 09:04:38 am
I just love how a horse is repaired.

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Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 06, 2012, 09:11:12 am
I just love how a horse is repaired.

(click to show/hide)

So thats why all the GKs are sterile, the radiation from the horse shrinked their balls :o
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Oberyn on November 06, 2012, 02:11:26 pm
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Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: MB passionately on November 06, 2012, 03:51:14 pm
"Eco Horses" are the solution

Desert Horse

(click to show/hide)

Upkeep 864 Gold

Rouncey

(click to show/hide)

Upkeep 630 Gold

Only rich and fools (or both) use luxury horses every round

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Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: matt2507 on November 06, 2012, 04:03:49 pm
"Eco Horses" are the solution

Desert Horse

(click to show/hide)

Upkeep 864 Gold

Rouncey

(click to show/hide)

Upkeep 630 Gold

Only rich and fools (or both) use luxury horses every round

(click to show/hide)

cool, we have a range of 14 horses, but we can only use two...
I do not call it a solution.

They do has to do what I have said, remove all horses and leave only rouncey, it will save time
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on November 06, 2012, 04:09:47 pm
cool, we have a range of 14 horses, but we can only use two...
I do not call it a solution.

They do has to do what I have said, remove all horses and leave only rouncey, it will save time

No. You can only use two. Whoever has money can use more. I myself go as high as cataphract horse because I do not want to use anything above. For me the benefits are not worth the upkeep. You want to use badass horses but dont pay for it. This works with no item.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: matt2507 on November 06, 2012, 04:18:12 pm
No. You can only use two. Whoever has money can use more. I myself go as high as cataphract horse because I do not want to use anything above. For me the benefits are not worth the upkeep. You want to use badass horses but dont pay for it. This works with no item.

I never said he did not want to pay, I just do not want to pay more than before.
Before patch my stuff allowed me to play without losing money without earning money, it was balanced.

Now, I use a lower stuf, and I am constantly losing money, so I lost half my money set aside in just 3 days.
Knowing that this mod allows an evolution, it's more like a regression to me..
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Kafein on November 06, 2012, 04:27:11 pm
All heavy cav players are over-indepted. They thought they could make it up and borrow money from their clan. The clans lended money thinking even if the cav guy couldn't pay back they could get the horses as warranty. But so many clans did that at the same time, horses are now cheap as fuck, all clans are ruined and the economy collapsed.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Rumblood on November 06, 2012, 06:15:22 pm
Well before the patch I had 2 horses. My money loser (Arabian), and my slight money maker (Steppe). Now my Steppe is losing me money and fahgettabout the Arabian.  :cry:
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Casimir on November 06, 2012, 06:38:08 pm
buff warhorse
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Rebelyell on November 06, 2012, 07:47:17 pm
buff warhorse
I HAVE ONE SOO YEHA!
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Blackbow on November 06, 2012, 07:51:51 pm
troll : on

i have the solution guys at your problems

let's increase weight of horses and decrease length

sry for this troll i'm just a made archer ... :evil:
troll : off
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Gnjus on November 06, 2012, 07:58:37 pm
troll : on

i have the solution guys at your problems

let's increase weight of horses and decrease length

sry for this troll i'm just a made archer ... :evil:
troll : off

*Troll: on*

Good riddance dedicated scumbag, and take all of your dedicated bundle of sticks siblings with you to hell. And stay there, if possible, until you all rot and decay. I hope you die in a fire and then roast in it for the whole eternity or until you decide to finally learn to play this game in a decent way.

*Troll: off*
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Torben on November 06, 2012, 08:06:07 pm
is this confirmed?  higher horse repair costs/chances?  havent played in forever (almost 4 days now!!! ; )
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 06, 2012, 08:08:44 pm
Nice ninja edit you had there Torben :P
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Blackbow on November 06, 2012, 08:10:56 pm
*Troll: on*

Good riddance dedicated scumbag, and take all of your dedicated bundle of sticks siblings with you to hell. And stay there, if possible, until you all rot and decay. I hope you die in a fire and then roast in it for the whole eternity or until you decide to finally learn to play this game in a decent way.

*Troll: off*

oh trololo u mad bro i just troll the devs and u come rage like a little girl =p
let me remember you the old times when slot weapon system was not
and when archer was able to defend himself without running...

@Torben : lol bro u maked me laugh so hard =p
edit : wtf dude what's this ninja edit lol
it was a nice way to close his stupid mouth
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Torben on November 06, 2012, 08:16:51 pm
Nice ninja edit you had there Torben :P

I find myself having troll tendencies growing within the depths of my soul...  need.. to...fight it.... ahrg.

I rly dont want to become that kinda person ^^
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on November 07, 2012, 01:56:28 am
you lost 20K in two days?...........LOL that's nothing I can lose 50-100K roughly that time (when I wear my "standard" armor and horse)

True though Earning money as cav is near impossible right now, even when I wear really "light" tier armor and use a rouncey (not using a sumpter that's a donkey and a waste of 5K) I barely break even have to play siege most of the time now to try and regain money only so I can play my class  :evil:  :cry:

I don't play my alts enough to earn money on them now that rageball is not around. And the fact I am forced to play on foot only to make a few K to lose it in around 3-5 rounds is just shocking and frustrating.

I'm not saying "Q_Q BUFF CAV NAOW DO EEET"

Cav doesn't need a buff cav doesn't need a nerf it needs BALANCING

Picture an archer having to become some 1h user who can only use his little hammer/pick as a weapon because he can't pay for his bow........yeah doesn't really make sense nor seem fair does it?  :?
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: matt2507 on November 07, 2012, 02:04:18 am
I'm not saying "Q_Q BUFF CAV NAOW DO EEET"

reread my posts and said to me when I was reclame a buff .
Stop being stupid..
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on November 07, 2012, 02:06:13 am
Where did I say you was talking about buffing cav?

If you RE-READ my post I clearly say

I'm not saying "Q_Q BUFF CAV NAOW DO EEET"

I'm meaning me, DUUUR
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Blackbow on November 07, 2012, 02:06:47 am
you lost 20K in two days?...........LOL that's nothing I can lose 50-100K roughly that time (when I wear my "standard" armor and horse)....

dont be stupid bro he's just surprised to pay so much since some days
and i guess he just want to know if it's a bug or a new shit from the patch...
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: matt2507 on November 07, 2012, 02:10:23 am
Where did I say you was talking about buffing cav?

If you RE-READ my post I clearly say

I'm meaning me, DUUUR

Anyway, you demand more nerf , it's still a reason to tell you to stop from being stupid.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on November 07, 2012, 02:17:59 am
Anyway, you demand more nerf , it's still a reason to tell you to stop from being stupid.

Dear god....... Are you blind or just plain stupid? or perhaps you can't read very well

I'm not saying "Q_Q BUFF CAV NAOW DO EEET"

Cav doesn't need a buff cav doesn't need a nerf it needs BALANCING

Please point out the part where I said Nerf cav

I play cav why would I want to nerf my own class? wtf?!

Only thing that needs a nerf badly is the arabian horse thats just OP
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: matt2507 on November 07, 2012, 02:22:13 am
Dear god....... Are you blind or just plain stupid? or perhaps you can't read very well

Please point out the part where I said Nerf cav

I play cav why would I want to nerf my own class? wtf?!

Only thing that needs a nerf badly is the arabian horse thats just OP

sry, it's 2:20 am in france..

But I stand what I said to the wanting arabian nerf   :twisted:
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on November 07, 2012, 02:24:23 am
Maybe because its the most OP horse out there? Good speed only one horse can out run it (even then a cousrer has to be +3 to do so) has crazy maneuverability and good health. I don't see how that is balanced.

even if you can catch it, it will just double back and stab you before you have turned around.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: matt2507 on November 07, 2012, 02:27:15 am
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Good speed and good health ?
the only thing he has is the maneuverability  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on November 07, 2012, 02:28:14 am
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Good speed and good health ?
the only thing he has is the maneuverability  :rolleyes:

your hopeless...... *facepalm*
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Overdriven on November 07, 2012, 03:33:26 am
I haven't played in a couple of weeks since the patches. As soon as I saw everything was screwed up I decided to stop crpg for a little while (Dota 2/Chivalry/WarZ take up my time). If this is true it puts me off playing my HA even more than I was already. May just stick to my hoplite when I do play.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on November 07, 2012, 11:01:25 am
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Good speed and good health ?
the only thing he has is the maneuverability  :rolleyes:

with 48 maneuver you can avoid so much damage, thats why it has so few hitpoints. Ever tried hitting such a horse with a ranged weapon? If your horse dies within the first 30 seconds you could think about changing either the way you play cav or take a horse thats made for tanking and not skirmishing.
Of course you cannot avoid all projectiles all the time but I've spent a good time wasting bolts and arrows on arabian warhelicopters because it is very hard anticipating the movement of this horse while its a lot easier shooting on a full speed courser or a warhorse.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Pentecost on November 07, 2012, 11:15:51 am
Never mind, I seem to have remembered incorrectly.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: BattalGazi on November 07, 2012, 11:31:24 am
These patches killed GK, you can run wildly on the maps now ...
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: BlueKnight on November 07, 2012, 11:38:50 am
Maybe because its the most OP horse out there? Good speed only one horse can out run it (even then a cousrer has to be +3 to do so) has crazy maneuverability and good health. I don't see how that is balanced.

even if you can catch it, it will just double back and stab you before you have turned around.
Arabian requires 7 riding which is it's biggest flaw. It changes your build a lot when you want to ride arabian. Also the survivability of arabian is small. If it got nerfed it wouldn't be really worth it.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: matt2507 on November 07, 2012, 01:14:24 pm
with 48 maneuver you can avoid so much damage, thats why it has so few hitpoints. Ever tried hitting such a horse with a ranged weapon? If your horse dies within the first 30 seconds you could think about changing either the way you play cav or take a horse thats made for tanking and not skirmishing.
Of course you cannot avoid all projectiles all the time but I've spent a good time wasting bolts and arrows on arabian warhelicopters because it is very hard anticipating the movement of this horse while its a lot easier shooting on a full speed courser or a warhorse.

I think I played long enough to know how to use this horse..

When I say limited life expectancy, I mean arrows received in the output of the spawn.
With the latest patch, go out of spawn is a bit like that sometimes:



They just lack the aladin carpet for the likeness is perfect..

I see you play crossbow,
I can tell you that your awesome build "one shot uberprecision godlike" are certainly more "fairy" that my horse..

Arabian requires 7 riding which is it's biggest flaw. It changes your build a lot when you want to ride arabian. Also the survivability of arabian is small. If it got nerfed it wouldn't be really worth it.

This !
People has the tendency to forget then the arabian does not only advantages.
If my Arbian may die with one arrow, it is also my case because I have no ironflesh.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on November 07, 2012, 01:30:46 pm
I think I played long enough to know how to use this horse..

When I say limited life expectancy, I mean arrows received in the output of the spawn.
With the latest patch, go out of spawn is a bit like that sometimes:



They just lack the aladin carpet for the likeness is perfect..

I see you play crossbow,
I can tell you that your awesome build "one shot uberprecision godlike" are certainly more "fairy" that my horse..

This !
People has the tendency to forget then the arabian does not only advantages.
If my Arbian may die with one arrow, it is also my case because I have no ironflesh.

Yes most of my generations I played crossbow, I also played some as cav, archer, polearms, shielder, 2h and hybrids. The only thing that I just tried for an hour with STF is HA and HX.
And there is not one shot uberprecision godlike build. Yes I have a +3 Arbalest and +3 Steel Bolts and I've spent 6 Generations getting those. Also my stuff got nerfed, and I'm giving up mobility as a whole with the reload times. Also I'm rather fragile because I gotta go full Weaponmaster in order to get precise shots with my Arbalest.
And hell, when I get a good shot on one of those Warhelicopters its a damn good feeling to see the rider falling in the middle of teammates and getting sliced up. On the other hand I also get raped by cav on a regular basis.

I just make cheap equipment generations from time to time so I can use my expensive stuff afterwards. You can also make an alt with cheapass gear to feed your main with money.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: XXTNTXX on November 07, 2012, 03:16:12 pm
I played 4 Generations by riding arabian, and 5 Generations as 2h. From my feeling, if we really need to nerf something (in current situation, I really suggest to stop nerf anything), I prefer to nerf 2h first, not the arabian and cav. Riding arabian needs your high control tech. You need to precise control when to stop, when to jump, when to turn, which targets you may attack or not. As long as there is a little control error, arabian will be killed and you will fall down, as arabian has so poor hit points. The tech for control horse is same as the tech for control blocking. I can't understand "why so many people may only accept good blocking tech persons, but can't accept the persons with good horse control tech?!"

In the end, don't forget, all cav have much higher upkeep than infantries.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Hunter_the_Honourable on November 07, 2012, 03:32:57 pm
How does the arabian have shit Hitpoints?!?!?!

HP of non-loomed horses not including "warhorses" (warhorse and above)

Steppe Horse
hit points: 85

Palfrey
hit points: 85


Sumpter Horse
hit points: 90

Desert Horse
hit points: 90

Rouncey
hit points: 95

Courser
hit points: 100

Arabian Warhorse
hit points: 100

Destrier
hit points: 120

Now compare the Arabians Hitpoints to the rest..... only the destrier has more and you say the arabian has shit hp? bull shit


Arabian requires 7 riding which is it's biggest flaw. It changes your build a lot when you want to ride arabian. Also the survivability of arabian is small. If it got nerfed it wouldn't be really worth it.

7 riding is not that big of a flaw, my normal cav build is 18/21 6PS 7Riding 7WM 6ATH (Level 31) How you get the the 7 riding is up to you, I prefer to keep it balanced while leveling meaning I balance my riding with Weapon master and athletics. Some people might prefer to have low athletics for and PS during lower levels in-order to get 7 riding faster.

Unless your a HA its not that big of a problem

Riding arabian needs your high control tech. You need to precise control when to stop, when to jump, when to turn, which targets you may attack or not. As long as there is a little control error, arabian will be killed and you will fall down, as arabian has so poor hit points. The tech for control horse is same as the tech for control blocking. I can't understand "why so many people may only accept good blocking tech persons, but can't accept the persons with good horse control tech?!"

Riding any horse needs control. If anything the arabian is easiest to control because it has such high maneuverability so its easier to dodge people stabbing at you, shooting you or chasing you. To say "the arabain needs more skill to ride then other horses" is just nonsense It has good average speed meaning it can keep up with all other horses apart from one and high maneuverability making it piss easy to dodge incoming projectiles and attacks.

IMO the warhorses need more skill to control as they are a hell of allot slower and their maneuverability is very poor meaning you have to do everything allot earlier and if you miss your target, you can't just wizz off and come back you have to plow through everyone. True that they have more HP and armor in exchange for speed and maneuverability for them to make sense however it is still allot harder to control of of them going full speed then any other horses.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: XXTNTXX on November 07, 2012, 04:18:24 pm
How does the arabian have shit Hitpoints?!?!?!

HP of non-loomed horses not including "warhorses" (warhorse and above)

Steppe Horse
hit points: 85

Palfrey
hit points: 85


Sumpter Horse
hit points: 90

Desert Horse
hit points: 90

Rouncey
hit points: 95

Courser
hit points: 100

Arabian Warhorse
hit points: 100

Destrier
hit points: 120

Now compare the Arabians Hitpoints to the rest..... only the destrier has more and you say the arabian has shit hp? bull shit


Arabian Warhorse has only 10 body armor, which is lowest among horses. And I had experience that 3+ light crossbow (from a horse crossbow man) may kill a full health Arabian by just 1 shot face to face during running.
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: BlueKnight on November 10, 2012, 12:45:33 pm
Arabian Warhorse has only 10 body armor, which is lowest among horses. And I had experience that 3+ light crossbow (from a horse crossbow man) may kill a full health Arabian by just 1 shot face to face during running.
same with +3 courser. That mighty HX is US_Cavalry_Walker :P
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Duc_OLIVIERO_loliv on November 10, 2012, 01:22:14 pm
yes the repairs are too expensive
Title: Re: Horses repairs: observation
Post by: Duc_OLIVIERO_loliv on November 10, 2012, 01:25:45 pm
Mon maximum de réparation c'est 80 mille d'or !