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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Korgoth on April 20, 2011, 01:07:24 pm
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Has anyone noticed that the Dadao is nearly exact the same Stats as the Miaodao but the Miaodao is double the Price?
Dadao: 4,020 gold
weight 2.75
requirement 10
spd rtng 92
weapon length 115
swing damage 42, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Miaodao: 8,030 gold
weight 2.75
requirement 10
spd rtng 96
weapon length 115
swing damage 40, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback
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There is nothing wrong with the Miaodao, it has 4 extra speed over the Dadao for only 2 less damage.
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There is nothing wrong with the Miaodao, it has 4 extra speed over the Dadao for only 2 less damage.
exactly and the mw one has 98 speed so no buffing needed here
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exactly and the mw one has 98 speed so no buffing needed here
Right.
Gen3= 98spd 45cut
It´s a good 2h-spam weapon , with good range .... so the price is ok.
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I see more people using the Miaodao, I guess the speed advantage gives it an edge. Maybe the Miaodao is a bit expensive on upkeep costs though (but what is cheap nowadays?!).
Nerf what you want but do not touch my Dadao or I kill all of ya!!! :evil:
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Well it just seems stupid that the weapon that is meant to be an upgraded version of the Dadao is actually not that good compared for the price. Seriously is paying double the amount on upkeep worth a few points in speed?
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Seriously is paying double the amount on upkeep worth a few points in speed?
Yes. Derp. I'm serious.
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Seriously is paying double the amount on upkeep worth a few points in speed?
Compromise, they are both hideous, remove them... fix = win = profit.
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uhm....
you don't balance based on price. I say make their prices a little closer to each other and give dadao One or two more cut damage. It is so much slower for not much of a damage increase.
I never see anyone use the dadao, while tons use the miaodao.
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I never see anyone use the dadao, while tons use the miaodao.
What does that tell you on the price of the miaodao.
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Seriously is paying double the amount on upkeep worth a few points in speed?
Yes. It´s a really good high end weapon. I think Miaodao is better than Nodachi ( cost 10589 ) , cause of the higher speed. It´s really a cheap ( 8030 ) weapon. You can use good armor with it too. You can spam shielder to death with it. It´s really a cool , high end weapon. And it´s really cheap compared to the other high end weapons. I was thinking about making me a 2h/spam build with Miaodao. Fast as hell , for the damage.
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What does that tell you on the price of the miaodao.
What do you mean? It costs more.
I don't see your point here.
I still stand by price not being a major thing and should not be considered in balance.
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What do you mean? It costs more.
I don't see your point here.
I still stand by price not being a major thing and should not be considered in balance.
The point was it's a good weapon so alot of people use it ergo high price compared to Dadao, because let's face it... in crpg speed kills.
Miaodao MW = Gen3= 98spd 45cut
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What do you mean?
= Costs are not too high for the Miaodao , if so many run around with it...
Edit : Ups .... we wrote at same time i think ;-)
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I'm sorry, but this is fail. Miaodao doesn't need a buff.
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give miaodao 25 thrust damage=win
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Yeh, both don't need changing. I've used both since the patch (kind of sad how its become so increasingly popular especially in recent weeks) because theya re the closest thing in the 2hed sword category that resembles a sarranid/middle-eastern weapon. They both are very good weapons and don't need rebalancing, a masterwork dadao has 94 speed with 47 cut. Theya re faster but slightly shorter 2hers and are well balanced considering their higher than normal damage with no stab. And please dont add a stab, there are way to many 2hers that use the lolstab to do well its nice to have some that are just normal hack and slash style swords, if anything remove the katana stab that only does like 19 damage anyway.
If anything during the middle ages most people in battle didn't use stabs as the metal working to make a point sharp took a lot more effort than just a simple sides given edges. Its actually pretty unrealistic how many of the wepaons in cRPG have great stabs as only by the romans and then later in fencing that swords were heavily utilized for stabs. During most of the middle ages swords were slashing and hacking weapons, but in cRPG you see all these people dancing around doing lolstabs because it racks up kills. Most of the swords should have their pierce damage on the stab cut in half as they have lolstab and the fact that the stab is the fastest of the 3 swings (side, overhead, thrust). Would make stab less overused and cut the issues with excess range people complain about as the longest reaching swing wouldn't also be the most damaging and the most abusable with lolstab.
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Yeh, both don't need changing. I've used both since the patch (kind of sad how its become so increasingly popular especially in recent weeks) because theya re the closest thing in the 2hed sword category that resembles a sarranid/middle-eastern weapon. They both are very good weapons and don't need rebalancing, a masterwork dadao has 94 speed with 47 cut. Theya re faster but slightly shorter 2hers and are well balanced considering their higher than normal damage with no stab. And please dont add a stab, there are way to many 2hers that use the lolstab to do well its nice to have some that are just normal hack and slash style swords, if anything remove the katana stab that only does like 19 damage anyway.
If anything during the middle ages most people in battle didn't use stabs as the metal working to make a point sharp took a lot more effort than just a simple sides given edges. Its actually pretty unrealistic how many of the wepaons in cRPG have great stabs as only by the romans and then later in fencing that swords were heavily utilized for stabs. During most of the middle ages swords were slashing and hacking weapons, but in cRPG you see all these people dancing around doing lolstabs because it racks up kills. Most of the swords should have their pierce damage on the stab cut in half as they have lolstab and the fact that the stab is the fastest of the 3 swings (side, overhead, thrust). Would make stab less overused and cut the issues with excess range people complain about as the longest reaching swing wouldn't also be the most damaging and the most abusable with lolstab.
Sadly only way to damage a knight in tincan is piercing the metal...
So either remove the stupid lolstab + tincan or do not touch them both.
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On the contrary, I think they used more thrust attacks rather than slashes to save the edge of the blade from excessive damages. Even katanas would be used for impaling to save their (expensive) sharpness.