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Title: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Sauce on October 25, 2012, 12:22:33 am
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Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Sauce on October 25, 2012, 12:23:34 am
Signed.Reserved.

Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Muki on October 25, 2012, 12:26:18 am
Very nice good luck with the new contract
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Tanken on October 25, 2012, 12:32:39 am
I would hope that current agreements between the Remnants and KUTTs would at least be allowed to expire without conflict so that this contract may take full effect after said dealings have passed.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Sauce on October 25, 2012, 12:46:51 am
I would hope that current agreements between the Remnants and KUTTs would at least be allowed to expire without conflict so that this contract may take full effect after said dealings have passed.

I would divert all caravans and let's have fun.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: LordBerenger on October 25, 2012, 12:53:35 am
What a fraud. We all know Huey cannot write. So what is this? A fraud? ADMIT IT!
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 25, 2012, 01:18:36 am
So lemme get this straight, the part where either of you get attacked, you come to the others aid. Does this include KUTT attacking FCC as part of the war, or does it EXCLUDE that?
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Sauce on October 25, 2012, 02:15:26 am
Yes
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Tanken on October 25, 2012, 02:22:13 am
So you have a Defensive Pact, and your contract states Defensive. So, despite FCC being the aggressors thus far, if we even remotely try to fight back, we'll have to deal with Remnants as well?



This sounds odd somehow, but thank god none of us are real diplomats.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Chestaclese on October 25, 2012, 02:33:08 am
get fucked bitches and give me your money.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Sauce on October 25, 2012, 02:50:23 am
So you have a Defensive Pact, and your contract states Defensive. So, despite FCC being the aggressors thus far, if we even remotely try to fight back, we'll have to deal with Remnants as well?



This sounds odd somehow, but thank god none of us are real diplomats.

FCC has contracted the Remnant's Mercenary Army for support. Coupled with the mercenary contract is a defense pact between FCC and Remnants. We will also be sending each other Christmas cards.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 25, 2012, 02:52:00 am
Ok i think I understand this! You are mercenaries and you fight for FCC. Pure and simple.

If either side is attacked, then that means the DEFENSE pact comes into play and you fight that enemy as well.

So, does that mean you are now, by extension, at war with HOSP?
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 25, 2012, 02:56:12 am
The real reason for this defensive pact was that I have allowed Remnant to continue existing in the area designated THE MURDERZONE and moved my construction plans to the current KUTT territory MURDERLAND plans.

OLD PLANS
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NEW PLANS
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I have showed mercy on this day, and it would be good for other factions to not forget this.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Sauce on October 25, 2012, 03:20:40 am
Ok i think I understand this! You are mercenaries and you fight for FCC. Pure and simple.

If either side is attacked, then that means the DEFENSE pact comes into play and you fight that enemy as well.


Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: dynamike on October 25, 2012, 03:23:14 am
So, does that mean you are now, by extension, at war with HOSP?

It means that through finicki diplomaticing, unforeseen circumstances and interferences in the diplomatic currents you are actually at war with Hospitallers now.

No need for a declaration, took care of that for you, mate.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 25, 2012, 04:11:35 am
It means that through finicki diplomaticing, unforeseen circumstances and interferences in the diplomatic currents you are actually at war with Hospitallers now.

No need for a declaration, took care of that for you, mate.
Wut? I'm so confused Dyna.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Elindor on October 25, 2012, 04:28:27 am
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The Order of the Holy Guard will stand by their allegiance to the Remnant Nation, and Remnant's contracts.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Sauce on October 26, 2012, 12:35:33 am
 this is just hurtful.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 26, 2012, 12:41:41 am
Hosp doesn't allow any posting on forums any more it seems.

So no more drama.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Rikthor on October 26, 2012, 12:44:06 am
And to be fair, LLJK peaked early by trolling Nomin and Auphelia into submission  :o
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Spanish on October 26, 2012, 02:46:33 am
I post a plenty in this hurr forum, it's just I don't know what to say to this. Are we at war now or something? It seems like everybody and their mom wants a part of hospitaller so I guess most of us are just used to it.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Bronto on October 26, 2012, 02:51:43 am
I think what happened, is all the trash talking some of your hospi members did at the beginning during the hero party debacle came back to bite you all in the ass. You all came out over confident and now you're getting served. Rather than coming off as "nice guys" trying to help the little clans, you came out like dudes trying to push everyone around. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Spanish on October 26, 2012, 03:04:03 am
No that's exactly what happened even my posts reflected that as I didn't understand why everyone was saying "poor hero party" when they should of tried to avoid war with us at all costs. Since we are double their size it's only natural we'd step on them in a war. But as we flamed about that this caused many other clans to become even more disgusted by us and decide its time to get rid of us. And here we are again with ( still not sure are we killing each other now) Remnant siding with the Fabulous Cuties of Calradia which I can't blame them since they're cool guys when they don't troll me. ;P
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Bronto on October 26, 2012, 03:24:38 am
Bottom line, that castle is in the middle of their territory! Why should you have gotten it, even after your so-called vassel relinquished it to them? This type of activity is why people think your bullies.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: AshTre on October 26, 2012, 04:26:05 am
Huey's Signature is so CUTE  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Elindor on October 26, 2012, 04:47:23 am
No that's exactly what happened even my posts reflected that as I didn't understand why everyone was saying "poor hero party" when they should of tried to avoid war with us at all costs. Since we are double their size it's only natural we'd step on them in a war. But as we flamed about that this caused many other clans to become even more disgusted by us and decide its time to get rid of us. And here we are again with ( still not sure are we killing each other now) Remnant siding with the Fabulous Cuties of Calradia which I can't blame them since they're cool guys when they don't troll me. ;P

OMG Spaniard stop posting in green.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: HarryCrumb on October 26, 2012, 09:18:37 am
This thread needs some MURDERTRON maps up in dis shiet!
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Gristle on October 26, 2012, 09:32:14 am
And to be fair, LLJK peaked early by trolling Nomin and Auphelia into submission  :o

I've seen battles won on the forums, but that was the first war I've seen won on the forums.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 26, 2012, 10:07:11 am
This thread needs some MURDERTRON maps up in dis shiet!

Did you not see my maps?!?!?!
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: LordBerenger on October 26, 2012, 12:48:05 pm
It's unsafe to have forum wars now because of the warning holocaust in diplomacy section of forums. Say the wrong word or don't RP enough = BAM Warning
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Blackzilla on October 26, 2012, 02:37:59 pm
No that's exactly what happened even my posts reflected that as I didn't understand why everyone was saying "poor hero party" when they should of tried to avoid war with us at all costs. Since we are double triple their size it's only natural we'd step on them in a war. But as we flamed about that this caused many other clans to become even more disgusted by us and decide its time to get rid of us. And here we are again with ( still not sure are we killing each other now) Remnant siding with the Fabulous Cuties of Calradia which I can't blame them since they're cool guys when they don't troll me. ;P
If it was so natural how come we are still here?
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: kinngrimm on October 26, 2012, 07:10:58 pm
While founded in an ongoing war, a defence pact would normally still first be triggered, afterwards if either of those parties included, would get attacked by a third party.
Otherwise it would be an undeclared war, which may be seen by some as dishonest.

Even if you make full roster support, with or without an offical agreement about it, you are definetly seen as hostile and some clans may see this as casus belli, it is still no declaration of war.

As in this contract is no word on troop, gold, goods or equipment, i see no reason yet that Remnants and Hospitallers would be at war with each other

then again i don't expect the flowerpower gank squad to loose their momentum. Moral high ground my ass. Wonder what will happen when they would be done with Hosp ^^, ... eat each other or make a hug competition.

If it was so natural how come we are still here?
If it wasn't, why would you need the help of all others?
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Shik on October 26, 2012, 11:44:33 pm
The war snowballed without us doing anything. We didn't need or beg anyone to bail us out; they did so of their own will.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 27, 2012, 12:08:02 am
True. They never asked me for their help. I just saw something and tried to tip the balance between Hero Party and Hosps. Apparently others thought the same or just felt like seizing the opportunity. Don't really care either way, though anymore. I was hoping to die quickly and I never did because they ran away instead. Shame, really. But I'm hoping to see something fun come out of this at some point.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: kinngrimm on October 27, 2012, 04:54:39 am
Well i haven't seen a conspiracy so far, only lots of people jumping the bandwagon.
Don't know if in the end it is important who was first or last on it, if you got something out of it, there you have your rectification.

As long noone would brag about such a war, sure have some fun fights, but please noone would dare say this would be fair/equal/honorful/... And the argument how awful, the Hospitaller where or some of their members, or was it now only devastator ... sure it is the result of their/his Karma + lots of Propaganda.

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So how many are now on each site? I just can't keep track ...

Kutt 55/10;
Hospitaller 57/12;
Ordre de Chevaliers 21/4
Astralis 21/2

overall 154/28 =>  5.5 members per fief
 
The Velucan Empire(incl. HoC/TkoV/?) 103/14
Free Companies of Calradia 48/12
Remnants 42/9
Norse Horde 19/6
The Josho Shogunate 33/2
Hero Party 20/8

overall 265/51 =>5.2 members per fief

So the flowerpower gankers have overall a few ^^ more members, and also look at that, the ratio of faction members to fiefs ... seems nearly the same, fair so to speak, but hero party may drag that down a bit tbh, you wanted to give half of it away anyways to some other clan who hasn't any land right? Doesn't really matter who would give clans without claims any fiefs, would it? ... wow how good you are all to these clans ... looking for more friends mmm, this strategy game is more about making friends and/or spreading disconcent with propaganda then actual strategy. Still when we look at the yearly defence budget of your RL countries, we may find a rather costly points within the psychologic warfare departments. So keep it up ,fuck up our brains with more missinformation, thats exactly what the world needs ... till you believe your own lies.
And yes i am pissed at this game at times, specially when i get to hear in teamspeak, we wouldn't have a chance against ..., because of reasons, i can't get into now without slandering someone. Whereby on its own this information, could also have been lies and propaganda. I envy you NA with your ... small problems. You know that there are still factions who haven't discovered the big picture? Pro tip look at top right of your strategus page, there is a not very visible link "viewing NA" ... click
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Lordark on October 27, 2012, 05:02:14 am
What will Na do next when they take out the bad guys?
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Keshian on October 27, 2012, 06:01:15 am
Kinngrim, don't forgot there are sub-clans  in KUTT like Teutonice knights and Swiss in the Strategus faction that make them significantly larger than your numbers say, same thing with hospitallers and their incorporation of the old papal guard members to a lesser extent.  Also, this doesn't take into account that Hospitallers had 3x as much gold as anyone else in NA thanks to bountiful trade exchanges with friendly EU, hich allowed them to use heraldic plate, destriers, bodkin arrows, etc. in abundance.  The 2nd last dusturil fight with over a 1000 troops broke down to roughly half a million gold spent on equipment in their attacking force. 

Hospitaller have probably used up 2 to 3 million gold worth of equipment since this fighting started.  That is a huge advanatge, plus most of the clans you speak of have to cross half the map to fight against fiefs that get the bonus troops of population making their armies even larger (though they certainly had more than 2x as many troops as we have with just how many they have lost in the alst week and are still fighting with).  That is just Hospitallers I am talking about with the troops and gold, though KUTT had more troops than us just in their fiefs alone, not coounting what they had on their members.  Its not black and white by how many members a clan has in crpg.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Visconti on October 27, 2012, 06:14:12 am
Shogunate is all of what, like 2 members now? And i thought the contract between remnant and FCC was just merc support and a defense pact?
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Smoothrich on October 27, 2012, 07:14:18 am
So the flowerpower gankers have overall a few ^^ more members, and also look at that, the ratio of faction members to fiefs ... seems nearly the same, fair so to speak, but hero party may drag that down a bit tbh, you wanted to give half of it away anyways to some other clan who hasn't any land right? Doesn't really matter who would give clans without claims any fiefs, would it? ... wow how good you are all to these clans ... looking for more friends mmm, this strategy game is more about making friends and/or spreading disconcent with propaganda then actual strategy. Still when we look at the yearly defence budget of your RL countries, we may find a rather costly points within the psychologic warfare departments. So keep it up ,fuck up our brains with more missinformation, thats exactly what the world needs ... till you believe your own lies.
And yes i am pissed at this game at times, specially when i get to hear in teamspeak, we wouldn't have a chance against ..., because of reasons, i can't get into now without slandering someone. Whereby on its own this information, could also have been lies and propaganda. I envy you NA with your ... small problems. You know that there are still factions who haven't discovered the big picture? Pro tip look at top right of your strategus page, there is a not very visible link "viewing NA" ... click

What?
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 27, 2012, 08:16:50 am
Shogunate is all of what, like 2 members now? And i thought the contract between remnant and FCC was just merc support and a defense pact?
No. Shogunate is 1 member now. And the two fiefs the Shogunate has are captured Hosp fiefs.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Muki on October 27, 2012, 08:21:10 am
Should rename Shogunate to Ninja represent the Ninja clan :)
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Lordark on October 27, 2012, 08:28:12 am
Na diplomacy  is all about who is the cutest so Muki clan wins.

All clans should be mad at Remnants for taking away the only fief from the cutest clan in the land!   :mad:
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: arowaine on October 27, 2012, 08:48:43 am
good luck to all
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: kinngrimm on October 27, 2012, 02:30:58 pm
Well Kesh/arowain[EDIT:sorry i had wrong name there, EDIT2: not sure anymore at whom of you both it was pointed at, as Khorin stated, arowane edited his post], you know more then me about NA, i just collected some information out of the forum and the rosters, still the question remains, how many are on each side?
Give me numbers. Which clans did i miss out on, on both sides.
For me still, it kind of looks like a gank, also perhaps not an organized gank.

BTW Khorin, i used the numbers out of the strat roster, if they aren't actual, perhaps update them, so there are no missunderstanding. I myself have some inactive guys in my faction already, like 5 or so. The others but are alife and kicking =)

And the trade thingy of Hospitaller was, as it is still even more true for you arowain right, large areas to be crossed without interference? I have no clue how much was invested already in those wars, but i guess after today's battles, UIF is definetly toping the investment scoreboard.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Ninja_Khorin on October 27, 2012, 02:40:04 pm
Kinngrimm. The Shogunate does not exist anymore beyond me and maybe some guys doing something completely different. There's no need to kick people out because I do not expect to live long and after that I'll be gone aswell. Saving the Hero Party was our last action as a true faction. Though it is a little drawn out, more than I had hoped.

Should rename Shogunate to Ninja represent the Ninja clan :)
No, these are the Shogunate troops. They represent the Shogunate.

Oh and arowaine, I saw what you wrote before that edit, and I have to decline. Based on the edit I doubt I'd receive the welcome I hope for ;)
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Aderyn on October 27, 2012, 04:58:39 pm
If we're talking active people in faction you could narrow down hospitallers to 15 people. maybe 10 semi-actives ontop of that.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Spanish on October 27, 2012, 07:10:35 pm
What is this blackzilla are you with hero party now? And you know that a conflict with hosps would have surely ended in your defeat. How could you guys simply overcome our sheer might hahah Sorry blackzilla but you would have been us at Yruma if things had been allowed to progress the way we had planned them to. No doubt hero party would fight with huge amounts of valour and earn much respect with their fighting abilities but it all end with us evil hosps winning.

As it is apparently Hosp and Kutt are more than a match for the amassed armies that gather before us, according to Kesh. Since Kesh seems to know everything their is about hosps maybe they have an amazing super secret spy man somewhere in our ranks. And I can't wait to hear more about our EU friends since that's the major advantage we seem to hold over everybody, which also sounds like good diplomacy to me. Make friends with people that don't  have a vested interest in killing you.

Let the flaming begin people!
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Farrix on October 27, 2012, 07:30:55 pm
lol, I always feel so pumped up and good about us after I read about how incredibly powerful/badass us hospi's are in these forums. We got some really good cheerleaders for us over on the enemy side.
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: bruttus on October 27, 2012, 07:48:19 pm
lol, I always feel so pumped up and good about us after I read about how incredibly powerful/badass us hospi's are in these forums. We got some really good cheerleaders for us over on the enemy side.

no1 is cheering for the hospy's on oure side, we are cheering for us selfs
we destroyed a full plated army from yours, already 2 times in the same village
some things i don't understand

the war against hospy is started at the very beginning of strat, hospy is losing there small village's to the allied forces (you know wich ones they are, to many to write it down)
still, if i have to believe kesh, that hospy still have 2 or 3 milj of gold, where do they get it?
from trading with eu, suply's from kutt?
hard to believe that, even if they trade with eu or kutt suply's them with troops, equipment etc...., hospy's can't have that amount of gold with them, especially when they attacked 2 times the same village with 2 full plated army's
ALMOST every batle that we did against them, they lost

but well, thats me just thinking
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Lordark on October 28, 2012, 09:52:40 pm
EU is invading NA for Tkov/Fcc/Fallen/NH/HP/SHOGUNATE

The circle of Hypocritisity is complete. GG  NA~!
Title: Re: Contract for the Mercenary Army of Remnant's Support (MARS)
Post by: Blackzilla on October 28, 2012, 10:40:40 pm
Err messed up.