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Title: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP. Also, shocking news, Mercs break deals.
Post by: [ptx] on October 18, 2012, 07:13:31 pm
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Glorious United Democratic National Workers Salvation Front for Liberation of Calradia and venerable Mercenaries hereby agree to the following:


Terms of the Non-Agression Pact:

If the above is of no concern/interest to you, skip over to this:
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Big edit: This deal has been broken by Mercenaries, just like that.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on October 18, 2012, 07:16:42 pm
/me puts down an X below the document.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: IR_Kuoin on October 18, 2012, 07:17:19 pm
GL
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Lt_Anders on October 18, 2012, 07:20:18 pm
As the Lord of New Reindi, You had better make Reindi carry a proud name! Stand strong, men of the old world. Hold fast, with the values of your brothers from the New World. May the Reindi light shine wherever she may be!
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Franke on October 18, 2012, 11:24:29 pm
/me puts down an X below the document.

I think you have to write something like "It's signed, it can only be approved" to make this official...
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on October 19, 2012, 08:39:57 am
agreed and signed with a Y

Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Bjord on October 19, 2012, 09:13:59 am
011010010
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: dodnet on October 19, 2012, 09:14:45 am
Signed with a X and a Y? You just created a man!

But good luck!
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on October 19, 2012, 10:58:57 am
Signed with a X and a Y? You just created a man!

But good luck!
wow someone got it :D
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Stabby_Dave on October 19, 2012, 02:09:26 pm
YAAAAAY
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Miwiw on October 19, 2012, 04:11:41 pm
I think you have to write something like "It's signed, it can only be approved" to make this official...

He cannot write.  :P
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on October 21, 2012, 09:46:37 pm
X's & Y's instead of proper signatures is what you get for having a party led by a toothless Latvian called Vladimirs Putins and a spineless frog shorter then Nicolas Sarkozy.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Haboe on October 22, 2012, 01:27:21 am
X's & Y's instead of proper signatures is what you get for having a party led by a toothless Latvian called Vladimirs Putins and a spineless frog shorter then Nicolas Sarkozy.

This man speaks out of experience of creating bad party's.

Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on October 22, 2012, 11:21:39 am
This man speaks out of experience of creating badass party's.

You got that right.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 01, 2012, 08:57:53 pm
Gnjus Oberyn what are u guys doing ?

You guys really joined this guys and dont see what Olwen and PtX just did ?

Hahaha They invited a grey to there faction so he could get a fief in DHirim area ehh ?

And the 700 troops that are due tomorrow will never show up.

hahaha Lolwen and ptx go fuck yourselfs. I salute ur badness.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 01, 2012, 08:59:40 pm
What? Please, stop assuming things.

--edit:
If you keep sending us PMs, calling us assholes, then yeah, we might have a problem.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Olwen on November 01, 2012, 09:21:01 pm
ptx, you're evil
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 01, 2012, 10:01:18 pm
What? Please, stop assuming things.

--edit:
If you keep sending us PMs, calling us assholes, then yeah, we might have a problem.
We already have a problem. u gave a fief in Dhirim to our enemy. What u think ?
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 01, 2012, 10:01:40 pm
U guys are the most pathetic persons in cRPG.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 01, 2012, 10:03:07 pm
What we do with OUR fiefs is our own business.

"Your" enemy? You mean the one that only WE have been fighting? GG.

But do keep throwing insults, see how many it takes to break any deal.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: BASNAK on November 01, 2012, 10:05:01 pm
Was the agreements accepted by a majority of your democracy or just Olwen and Ptx?
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 01, 2012, 10:07:31 pm
The former.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Tuetensuppe on November 01, 2012, 10:09:00 pm

"Your" enemy? You mean the one that only WE have been fighting? GG.


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Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 01, 2012, 10:17:58 pm
Gnjus Oberyn what are u guys doing ?

Well I spent 99% of Strat 4 idling in some village who's name I already forgot and I fought exactly 1 battle so far, the Castle we lost, I showed up, slammed Harpag on the wall, had a great wank right afterwards, died a few times and that's about it. Don't really know what's going on and don't really care. I'm here just for the Skype spam and "love chats" with Roflcopterwen.  :wink:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Olwen on November 01, 2012, 11:08:59 pm
Was the agreements accepted by a majority of your democracy or just Olwen and Ptx?

i had no deal with mercs,

the deal i agreed upon before ptx made this deal was broken when we robbed a kapikulu in dhirim area so i don't have any agreement with them

doubt even that silly ginger who keeps insulting us can deny it

and considering the fact that easterners let us die while we fought their enemy more than they actually did i don't have any reason to show any goodwill

though i'm only speaking for myself, ptx's willing to respect his agreement

@ginger we lost a war we couldn't win so we're retreating; when you hide in your fiefs, beg others to fight an enemy that isn't theirs and watch them getting wiped you shouldn't open your mouth so wide to shout insults


Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Tyr_ on November 01, 2012, 11:30:06 pm
If you would have asked for help you would have received it. Not only we, but also other factions were ready to help you. But deciding to put all forces in a village except of using them to hold a castle isn't the best idea, all your fiefs were taken before we could do anything  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 01, 2012, 11:32:05 pm
No, we did not ask for your help. It's just that you shouldn't claim to be fighting a war against UIF, when you're really not. We are getting ganked by shiny armies with lordly plate armor as a direct consequence of you hogging the majority of the map and thus trade possibilities, whilst not utilizing these resources to actually limit your "enemy" UIF.

We have even shared information with you regarding UIF and how they are earning up MILLIONS of gold, one that you have dutifully ignored. We would've acted on this ourselves, but, alas, limited resources, closed borders everywhere. Hell, getting attacked even on open borders randomly.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Tyr_ on November 01, 2012, 11:35:28 pm
We are fighting in the north of the map, not in the center, there is no point in starting an offensive there^^.
Just as a rough guess i think that we lost alone 2k troops & gear to bugs while attacking nords, and propably 3 times the amount of horses.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 01, 2012, 11:37:21 pm
We are fighting in the north of the map, not in the center, there is no point in starting an offensive there^^.
Just as a rough guess i think that we lost alone 2k troops & gear to bugs while attacking nords, and propably 3 times the amount of horses^^

Nords really weren't UIF at the start of this. All i hear from their side is that you created this enemy.  And, well, 2k troops & gear is way less than what we have committed to fighting and also way less than the losses we have incurred on the actual UIF.

And no point starting an offensive in the center? Yeah, right now there is no longer a point in that, you eastern bloc guys have pretty much lost the war by now, UIF has MILLIONS of gold, GG.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Tyr_ on November 01, 2012, 11:39:43 pm
We didnt force Nords to do anything, we even offered to make a 3rd Alliance in the north together with them and we always told them that we want good realtions to them so we can focus on the south - aka Dhirim. Since the nords decided that this wasnt what they want we needed to switch our priority and secure our own borders.
 the 2k loss was lost to bugs, we lost more in battles that actually worked how they are supposed to work  :rolleyes:
Again, you could have asked for military aid, trade agreements, etc, instead of blaming us now that we didnt do anything.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 01, 2012, 11:44:33 pm
But you really didn't do anything. I'm not as much blaming you, as laughing at how incompetent you are. Let me repeat this, the UIF have made MILLIONS of gold, each faction. This could've been prevented easily. We would've interfered ourselves, even, if we weren't bleeding troops over random attacks on us by people that we were supposed to be able to trade with.

But, enough about this, this strat is pretty much decided between you and UIF. We don't care about either of you right now. Back on topic - if the insults against us do not continue, then no, nothing is broken.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Bjord on November 02, 2012, 02:03:42 am
And thus, the anti-carebear carebears cared no more.

boh bye
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 08:11:39 am
And thus, the anti-carebear carebears cared no more.

boh bye
what.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 08:17:45 am
what.


You see latvian - this is exactly what i was talking about:

And thus, the anti-carebear carebears cared no more.

Quote
[1.11.2012. 10:55:02] Gnjus: none can insult Bjord as good as himself with his forum activities
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 08:42:55 am
Are you guys... completely retarded?

You just broke the deal.

Basically, you suck at fighting UIF, so you're just going to go ahead and break your deals to gank a neutral faction that is leaving your lands, even?
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Olwen on November 02, 2012, 09:05:19 am
Fine, now you've got an enemy. I guess I'll accept UIF's offer and wipe you off the map because you managed to convince me this game will be better without you in it.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 02, 2012, 09:07:10 am
Are you guys... completely retarded?

You just broke the deal.

Basically, you suck at fighting UIF, so you're just going to go ahead and break your deals to gank a neutral faction that is leaving your lands, even?
How stupid are you ptx ?

You give away your last fief, that we have let you hold from start of strategus. And you invite a grey to your faction and give him a fief inside Dhirim area.

thats a reason to go to war alone. Second we had a deal and that deal was to you to pay the troops today.
And you guys did NOT, and Olwen made it clear that you guys where NOT paying what you owe us.

So after giving a fief to the greys then you decide to run the other way. And leave the deal.

Im only angry at ptx and olwen, and to all the others who pm me i am sorry and wish you all good luck in another clan then Lolwen faction.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 02, 2012, 09:08:31 am
Fine, now you've got an enemy. I guess I'll accept UIF's offer and wipe you off the map because you managed to convince me this game will be better without you in it.
Bring it.

BTW UIF making Milions yeah i am sure they are. legit totally.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Perverz on November 02, 2012, 09:13:27 am
epic move lolwen and ptx!!!!!
u guys make my day.....thank you for that....

so stupid ......
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Olwen on November 02, 2012, 09:20:23 am
ptx's willing to respect his agreement

we didn't make any move there

i'm not quite sure how fighting with 300 peasants against 2000 full mw plate tincans would have been of any use

mercs declared war on us without reason because they were peeing in their pants to see uif at their door and because they're so desperate that they can only act as morons, shitpost, panic and manage to get more enemies

we did not ask for such thing to happen, we didn't make any choice in such direction, we just face what happens to us
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 09:25:21 am
How stupid are you ptx ?

You give away your last fief, that we have let you hold from start of strategus. And you invite a grey to your faction and give him a fief inside Dhirim area.

thats a reason to go to war alone. Second we had a deal and that deal was to you to pay the troops today.
And you guys did NOT, and Olwen made it clear that you guys where NOT paying what you owe us.

So after giving a fief to the greys then you decide to run the other way. And leave the deal.

Im only angry at ptx and olwen, and to all the others who pm me i am sorry and wish you all good luck in another clan then Lolwen faction.

Today has just started. We told you at the start to remind us when to give the troops. I would've asked you where to dump them, regardless. I even posted in this very thread, saying it is still on. So, get your facts checked, lol.

What we do with OUR fiefs is OUR business. We have no interest in losing even more resources in a war against "your" enemy, that, due to your incompetence, has pretty much limitless resources at this point.

And yeah, millions, even if they didn't confirm it themselves, we have reliable info on that.

Suddenly i am not surprised you lot keep losing strat after strat, you are god-awful. At communication, at strategy, at everything.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 09:25:58 am
It's easy for Lolwen to do his "expert" diplomacy as he always has a back-up option, an ace up his sleeve: Harpag's polished asshole is craving for him and his "back door" are always wide-open for his favorite frogger while the rest of us can't enjoy such luxury.  :wink:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Perverz on November 02, 2012, 09:32:40 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: dodnet on November 02, 2012, 09:34:27 am
So Mercs are at war with UIF? Really? I see... all those battles fought by them against UIF. Ah wait, that was the UDN... and us but NOT Mercs.  :mrgreen:

I love those "we are at war with"-things, where every side just sits in his castle and strokes his balls while the "enemy" does the same in the castle just a hop away. Strategus is an amazing wargame trade simulator.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Kirman on November 02, 2012, 09:48:30 am


If the above is of no concern/interest to you, skip over to this:
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I found this one after  CounterStrike

Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 02, 2012, 10:29:26 am
So Mercs are at war with UIF? Really? I see... all those battles fought by them against UIF. Ah wait, that was the UDN... and us but NOT Mercs.  :mrgreen:

I love those "we are at war with"-things, where every side just sits in his castle and strokes his balls while the "enemy" does the same in the castle just a hop away. Strategus is an amazing wargame trade simulator.
Well Mercs had a army deep in nords/grey area and fight alot there.

Second the day the UIF attacked UDN then i was there fighting every single battle. I even had to lead a few.
So chill down and get facts straight.


And it was that day i see the total incompetence of UDN , he was away didn't fight at all. and ptx in 1 battle or might been two.

Then they asked for shelter i gave them that even tho UIF had promised UDN Dhirim area. And he posted so on this forum.
Then they asked for GOLD to equip there unarmed troops. Of course this was not acceptable for us to give them gold to equip when they move from UIF to anti UIF in a heartbeat every now and then.So yeah i see that Mercs are the big bad wolf again.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 10:35:54 am
Ehehehehe, what do we have here:

(click to show/hide)


Turkish fat-boy-slim would surely like to post some crap about QQ and whining and crying but he can't cause he's muted lol.
(click to show/hide)



Edit: but the fan's favorite is definitely this one: Dave attacking Lolwen and Cicero fighting on Lolwen's side. This made my day.  :P
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 10:46:14 am
Holy shit, so i guess we missed the due date by a day. Not like i had told you lot to remind me, in case i forgot. Which is what people with half a brain do. They communicate, not flip out, throw hissy fits and attack in the fucking morning.

Some facts:


Hello. You broke the deal.

1) 2 weeks passed yesterday and we didn't get our troops.
2) You gave away your fief to UIF.

Also, accusing Mercs not in fighting UIF is stupid while we fought against Nords (and Nords are official part of UIF since ages if you didn't know, whatever they say), Grey Order (Grey Order lost 1000-1500 men against Mercenaries in battles. Like 750 in direct fight and ~750 reinforcing Nords), Union lost like 800 in direct fights against Mercenaries, and Nords lost like 5k in direct fights. We don't count SoA, Deserters, bandits or any other indirect fights when we (and personally I) organized. Also, we've wasted 8k of S&D in Union territory and like 15k of S&D in the Nord territory during the war. I also personally suggested you gear and troops if you wanted to be offensive against UIF in Dhirim/Halmar area since Dhirim was not supposed to be offensive battle field, only for defence. You refused and Olwen kept threatening with UIF. So what you have now is what you deserve. You should have kicked Olwen from the faction, I even suggested you reward for that. I don't mind helping other members from your faction (Barabe are good guys and friends of mine, also a lot of others: Byzantium i.e.). I'm not going to post in Diplomacy thread since as I don't see any sense in that. I told you what you would face if you take Reindi from us, we could at least defend it from UIF inlike you, giving it without fight.

P.S. I never liked the way you play Strat. Bluffing, shantage and being hypocrite is something that I don't like in diplomacy, we all knew that you would attack us if you had any possibility, we didn't even need your internal information for that. Also we don't want Olwen even close to our territory. He is the biggest mistake of your faction. When all the members in Dhirim area were willing to attack him first - it's not okay.


Well Mercs had a army deep in nords/grey area and fight alot there.

Second the day the UIF attacked UDN then i was there fighting every single battle. I even had to lead a few.
So chill down and get facts straight.


And it was that day i see the total incompetence of UDN , he was away didn't fight at all. and ptx in 1 battle or might been two.

Then they asked for shelter i gave them that even tho UIF had promised UDN Dhirim area. And he posted so on this forum.
Then they asked for GOLD to equip there unarmed troops. Of course this was not acceptable for us to give them gold to equip when they move from UIF to anti UIF in a heartbeat every now and then.So yeah i see that Mercs are the big bad wolf again.

I was fighting there, fighting on every battle. Your idea of leading a few (e.g. Reindi Castle) involved ignoring/outshouting my orders on TS and getting a number of people with valuable gear rushing out of the castle to get killed in the open by better armored UIF troops. Sadly, we do not have admin for our temporary Nditions channel.
By your incompetence, however, i mean the actual strategic part. Look at the strategus map, zoomed all the way out. Do you still not see it?

We didn't ask for shelter in Dhirim, you offered it, we had Tosdhar, however.
Yes, i posted something on this forum, regarding their offers of Dhirim. Go back and read what i wrote.
Yes, i guess someone did go around asking factions for possible donations to equip our troops.
UIF to Anti-UIF in a heartbeat? I'm sorry, but WHAT!?

--edit: I forgot something: Since we are dragging skeletons out of closets now:
Quote from: Grandom on private forums
Got approached by the mercs, Dave and Ginger. They have a deal for us. I dont see why we should agree but perhaps some of u can see the point. Here it goes:

They ask if we want to take over the whole Dhirim area. 5 fiefs including Dhirim and Senuzdga castle. All equipment, all armies (1000 heavy), all inclusive. They want us to come up with an offer. We owe them 700 troops if I understand it correctly for Reindi Castle already. And they ask for Heirloom points if I understood them correctly. I asked for a specific list of whats included, but they didnt seem very cooperative on this matter.

They wanted a fast answer, as they have others that are interessted (caresalesman talk, hahahahah). Preferably tonight.

Well there it is, I think they are leaving center because they have no chance of protecting it against UIF, and we havent either in my book. So buying this would not be wise. Take it to scype and discuss it there if u like.

Anyone has anything to say about this, shoot!

GRANNY
Easily the most pathethic pile of crap i've ever been offered. And you guys still have the shamelessness to accuse of something, that we are endangering you by losing a single village?
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 02, 2012, 11:31:59 am
No wonder u guys turned that offer down seeing how he failed to deliver it correctly.

Thats history anyway. 3k grey Shiny are inside there new fief. They wont move at all before Bashi Union and there leader Drz to join them on a full out attack on Dhirim. They gonna loose all the first battles. Shiny or not. BLING BLING

and my abilities as a commander is well known sometimes i suck sometimes i am a genius. At reindi castle i told u guys  can come with input, and with felt hats and practice swords there is not much to do.

Ohh and about the Map and how it is now is not my plan i have nothing to do with anyone cept inside Dhirim area.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 11:38:23 am
and my abilities as a commander is well known sometimes i suck sometimes i am a genius. At reindi castle i told u guys  can come with input, and with felt hats and practice swords there is not much to do.
Ahahahaha.

Oh, and practice swords? your memory fails you.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Harpag on November 02, 2012, 12:02:45 pm
It's hard to believe own eyes. How it's possible that You Mercs - best friends of every free traders and neutral factions, defenders of downtrodden, bearers of justice, had agreement with UDNWSLFC and you left them alone at our evildevil mercy? Verbal attacks on them is just top of chutzpah you damn cowards. Show your greatness and give them this shitty village again!
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: dodnet on November 02, 2012, 12:05:41 pm
As response to DaveUKRs message about the many kills and losses the Mercs had in their "war with UIF" I counted the kills and losses my clan had during this strat.

In total we killed 2k of UIF troops and had about the same amount of losses. You should keep in mind that we are a MUCH smaller clan with only a few active members in contrast to the Mercs with all their holdings. So the kills and losses YOU had in your "war with UIF" is a bad joke. So don't try to remember me about that again. Call me when there is actually some fighting going on in your "war".
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Torben on November 02, 2012, 12:12:16 pm
mercs and udnwhatever having a 1.5k vs 1.5k battle with the uif just outside the door,  wtf o0
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: dodnet on November 02, 2012, 12:25:34 pm
mercs and udnwhatever having a 1.5k vs 1.5k battle with the uif just outside the door,  wtf o0

Strategus 4, also known as "you only win if you don't fight, because your "enemies" kill each other without your need"
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: BASNAK on November 02, 2012, 12:31:34 pm
Tbh, if I was leading the mercs in the Dhirim area, I wouldn't help the democrats either. The UIF have too great numbers and too much gear in comparison to the Dhirim area, which makes it stupid to just charge out blindly.

Instead they choose to defend, on their walls which gives greater chance for victory and more UIF casualties.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 12:32:46 pm
Yeah, Basnak, you are a master strategist as well. Obviously you win wars by camping and letting the enemy accumulate infinite resources.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: BASNAK on November 02, 2012, 12:35:36 pm
Yeah, Basnak, you are a master strategist as well. Obviously you win wars by camping and letting the enemy accumulate infinite resources.

Your suggestion is that they should have rallied everything they have from the Dhirim area to come save your asses?
And the UIF aren't really interrupting trade in the east either. Unless the UIF are master traders or glitching I don't see a problem.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 12:40:21 pm
Your suggestion is that they should have rallied everything they have from the Dhirim area to come save your asses?
And the UIF aren't really interrupting trade in the east either. Unless the UIF are master traders or glitching I don't see a problem.
No, i am not talking about us.
Look at the strat map, zoomed out. Do you not see a vulnerability in UIF's lands, at least what they controlled at the start?

And yes, the UIF are at least organised traders, unlike the eastern bloc, which is why the UIF now have practically limitless funds to equip their armies with lordly plate and top tier mw weaponry.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Bjord on November 02, 2012, 12:41:31 pm
Yeah, Basnak, you are a master strategist as well. Obviously you win wars by camping and letting the enemy accumulate infinite resources.

He has less members in his faction and he manages to do way better than UDN. Even outsmarted the Nordmen and gave everyone a good laugh. :wink:

Dhirim was always a trading area anyway. Was never meant to mount full offensives from there.

@ptx: Organised in the sense that each UIF member has a second or third key they use to run around and trade for them. Confirmed by devs.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Falka on November 02, 2012, 12:48:51 pm
I'm not as much blaming you, as laughing at how incompetent you are.
I'd say United are the last one who can say anything about somebody's incompetence. The way you've lost all your fiefs, troops and gear...
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Andswaru on November 02, 2012, 12:50:57 pm
He has less members in his faction and he manages to do way better than UDN. Even outsmarted the Nordmen and gave everyone a good laugh. :wink:

Yes he robbed our Free Trade Village of trade goods so we declared him an outlaw so other free traders would recongise him as a destroyer of the S&D in the free trade point we offered. He definately outsmarted us bigtime.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Torben on November 02, 2012, 12:55:31 pm
Yes he robbed our Free Trade Village of trade goods so we declared him an outlaw so other free traders would recongise him as a destroyer of the S&D in the free trade point we offered. He definately outsmarted us bigtime.

by declaring him an outlaw you gave him an aura of robinhoodness.  no matter what went down,  you made him popular,  and tales have been told.

in nativ tongue that would be:
"das ist der schinder basnak,  der lumpenhund,  der Nordman schreck,
 das ist der schinder bahasnak,  der zieht eurn namen in den dreck" ^^

thats why people say he outsmarted you.  because they want outlaws to outsmart the mighty : )

people singing of his deeds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8uF04BpvAk
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 12:56:47 pm
I'd say United are the last one who can say anything about somebody's incompetence. The way you've lost all your fiefs, troops and gear...

No, we didn't, we are losing them now ;)
GG.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Bjord on November 02, 2012, 01:01:38 pm
Yes he robbed our Free Trade Village of trade goods so we declared him an outlaw so other free traders would recongise him as a destroyer of the S&D in the free trade point we offered. He definately outsmarted us bigtime.

You and I both know I was referring to something else. :wink:

BASNAK alias Blood_and_Honour changed his faction's colour to match the Nordmen's, then snuck into one of their fiefs and completely ravaged their S&D. Then he took off with his buddies. The Nordmen caught wind of this and sent a pursuit army. Again, The Rebels pull a clever move on them and lock their pursuit army down with a naked army, allowing the main army of their small faction to get away.

The part where they screwed you over was just another hilarity.

Truly the jokers of this round of Strategus.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: LordBerenger on November 02, 2012, 01:07:24 pm
You and I both know I was referring to something else. :wink:

BASNAK alias Blood_and_Honour changed his faction's colour to match the Nordmen's, then snuck into one of their fiefs and completely ravaged their S&D. Then he took off with his buddies. The Nordmen caught wind of this and sent a pursuit army. Again, The Rebels pull a clever move on them and lock their pursuit army down with a naked army, allowing the main army of their small faction to get away.

The part where they screwed you over was just another hilarity.

Truly the jokers of this round of Strategus.

Lol this Rebel clan is my favorite EU faction now. Genius. Now just to figure out who Richard Lionheart is.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Falka on November 02, 2012, 01:09:27 pm
No, we didn't, we are losing them now ;)
GG.
I doubt your last army do any difference while you've wasted really decent gear and almost 2k troops in Yalibe which could let you keep Reini castle till today. Instead of that you left Reini without defence... Say one thing about United, say they're masters in stratetegy...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 01:15:43 pm
That is somewhat smalltime to our traders regularly (read: almost every day) raiding UIF fiefs around us for S&D (since the easterners either had fiefs with no S&D or closed borders everywhere with trigger happy patrols).

I doubt your last army do any difference while you've wasted really decent gear and almost 2k troops in Yalibe which could let you keep Reini castle till today. Instead of that you left Reini without defence... Say one thing about United, say they're masters in stratetegy...  :rolleyes:
We did what we could with our limited resources. You do not know our inner workings, since you went emo and quit early on.

We didn't have the funds to really defend either Yalibe or Reindi anyway, that was a screw-up, yeah, we should've just retreated at the first sight of the UIF armies, but we didn't have fief owners online to get their stuff out. So we decided to instead try and defend, hoping for the best. It didn't work out.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: dodnet on November 02, 2012, 01:21:52 pm
I doubt your last army do any difference while you've wasted really decent gear and almost 2k troops in Yalibe which could let you keep Reini castle till today. Instead of that you left Reini without defence... Say one thing about United, say they're masters in stratetegy...  :rolleyes:

I was in the area at the time of attack and UIF was rolling in with > 6000 troops, all at least heavily armed. Even 2000 troops at one castle wouldn't have held long against that force!
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Falka on November 02, 2012, 01:46:35 pm
We didn't have the funds to really defend either Yalibe or Reindi anyway,

http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1050
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1043
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1046
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1054

In these 4 battles United had 5600 troops and decent gear for more than 2 k troops. After first won battle you would have got even more gear so it wasn't so impossible to defend castle with 5 k troops. But no, 2 k troops stayed in Yalibe and Olwen with 1k was locked outside his fief. What's more, you could have defend even Yalibe at least a few days longer but you've retreated with 600 naked troops after first day. Great move indeed. And you're trying to say eastern block is incompetent...  :rolleyes:

I was in the area at the time of attack and UIF was rolling in with > 6000 troops, all at least heavily armed. Even 2000 troops at one castle wouldn't have held long against that force!

The point is they United had 6 k troops in the area....

PS
You do not know our inner workings, since you went emo and quit early on.
I regret only one thing, that I didn't quit earlier.

Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 01:48:54 pm
Olwen retreated with 1k naked troops, of which 600 got away.
1,5k troops were locked down in Yalibe, before Olwen could withdraw them.
Same for Peshmi.

We couldn't possibly defend Yalibe through the next attack.

It is called damage control, if we hadn't lost the siege of Reindi, we could've made off with a good amount of gear and troops.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Andswaru on November 02, 2012, 01:52:55 pm
You and I both know I was referring to something else. :wink:

BASNAK alias Blood_and_Honour changed his faction's colour to match the Nordmen's, then snuck into one of their fiefs and completely ravaged their S&D. Then he took off with his buddies.

Nono we invited him in to trade after he asked to use our open trade point, he then escaped using this colour trick as he escaped from Kapikuli using the same trick, we were watching for it but since they set their nighttime Merc style 9pm till 5am we wanted to just follow them until a reasonable battle hour but they used naked tickets too block us :).
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Stabby_Dave on November 02, 2012, 01:55:31 pm
Very few clans could have withstood a simultaneous surprise attack by 5 UIF armies all heavily armed.

In regard to the fief transfer. Our options were to either lose the fief along with a lot of gold and equipment that had been left there by Olwen before going offline for a while OR to transfer the fief peacefully and escape with extra resources to help with claiming new territory. We made the smart decision.

Finally, we were going to transfer the 700 troops to Mercs that we owed and it had discussed it at length in our skype chat. Olwen disagreed with it but wasnt going to stop us as most of us agreed that it was the right thing to do. The fact that you have now freaked out and attacked us has broken the original terms of the agreement and so obviously you wont be seeing any troops.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Falka on November 02, 2012, 01:59:29 pm
1,5k troops were locked down in Yalibe, before Olwen could withdraw them.
Same for Peshmi.
Yea, and it was impossible to send troops and gear to castle BEFORE attack, not after, when was too late. As I said, masters in stratetegy at work  :rolleyes:

Olwen retreated with 1k naked troops, of which 600 got away.
That's what I'm saying, he left Yalibe with 2 k troops and all gear and let Unions lock his 1k army. Then, when he won battle against 300 Unions troops, instead of sending back 600 troops to Yalibe where you had tons of gear he retreated. Just luz.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: dodnet on November 02, 2012, 02:00:56 pm
The point is they United had 6 k troops in the area....

With one slightly difference: a part of UDNs troops were population and thus non-transferable. I don't know how many of those though.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 02:09:00 pm
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1050
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1043
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1046
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesparticipated#!?page=battledetail&id=1054

In these 4 battles United had 5600 troops and decent gear for more than 2 k troops. After first won battle you would have got even more gear so it wasn't so impossible to defend castle with 5 k troops. But no, 2 k troops stayed in Yalibe and Olwen with 1k was locked outside his fief. What's more, you could have defend even Yalibe at least a few days longer but you've retreated with 600 naked troops after first day. Great move indeed. And you're trying to say eastern block is incompetent...  :rolleyes:

The point is they United had 6 k troops in the area....

No offense mate but (being a Baraba) i recon this is your first Strat ever and you don't know how things work around here. While Olwen's decision making & "diplomacy" may have not been the best you still keep forgetting one very important thing, let me teach you about it in a friendly way: You can throw in numbers & stats as much as you like but the fact remains that activity is the key here and NSFW party never really had that in amounts that would be needed to stand against no-life killing machine like UIF. Most of our members have lives you know while Poles, Russians and Turks rarely ever leave their houses. This is why Mercs strategy of trying to unite everyone else vs them is pretty much the only way you can beat them. Even if you united all non-UIF clans & random people in a single force to stand against UIF i doubt you would ever succeed in it, not because these "coalitions" are noobs and can't play but simply because they do something else beside sitting in front of computer, watching Strat blobs moving on the map, refreshing all the time and grinding troops and money.


PS I regret only one thing, that I didn't quit earlier.

Reading your bitter posts where you're trying to tackle everything that NSFW party ever did (only because you obviously don't agree with Olwen's work, character, whatever) I regret that as well. They did some awesome work for someone who refused to pick a side in this "2 blocks fighting for supremacy" game (and considering its Olwen who did most of the stuff  anyways :twisted:).
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Bjord on November 02, 2012, 02:11:09 pm
Nono we invited him in to trade after he asked to use our open trade point, he then escaped using this colour trick as he escaped from Kapikuli using the same trick, we were watching for it but since they set their nighttime Merc style 9pm till 5am we wanted to just follow them until a reasonable battle hour but they used naked tickets too block us :).

Exactly, outsmarted. Outwitted, outplotted, outsmarted.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Andswaru on November 02, 2012, 02:12:40 pm
Well they didnt do me any damage (since i still took my tax share) only the other independant traders that used that fief for S&D, so see it how you want too :)
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Falka on November 02, 2012, 02:16:53 pm
With one slightly difference: a part of UDNs troops were population and thus non-transferable. I don't know how many of those though.
I do. No more than 300 in Peshmi and no more than 300 in Yalibe. That means at least 5 k troops which they could gather in castle only from battles which I mentioned in previous post.

We made the smart decision.

Yea, giving away your last fief to the enemy who just crushed all your armies and took the rest of your fiefs is definitely smart decision. And honourable too, ofc! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: GRANDMOM on November 02, 2012, 02:18:11 pm
I guess the UIF is having a ball right now......reading this thread

"Set aside your differences men of the east, put spit in your hands and shake em. Agree that the monster approaching from the west is what you should be facing, together, side by side, shoulder to shoulder and have trust in your brothers swordarm, as he should have in yours(violins playing slowly). All other matters not.

(Violins still playing, now accompanied by a church organpiano)

You, and your brothers in arms have a chance to change the fait of calradia, turn to your brother, take an oath never to betray him, never to let him down, never to leave him behind and to stand by his side.....(choirs chanting)....until the bitter end.

Never rest until the blood on your hands, is the blood of the last enemy....
when they see you they will run for the lifes,
til the end they will pay for their lies (music ends and a lonely viking horn can be heard far far away)"


GRANDMOM
-sending virtual Cookies for all who unite against the beast from the west, with strawberry crustings!!!!



Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Stabby_Dave on November 02, 2012, 02:27:13 pm
Yea, giving away your last fief to the enemy who just crushed all your armies and took the rest of your fiefs is definitely smart decision. And honourable too, ofc! :rolleyes:

I suppose you think the smart decision would be to LOSE our last fief anyway along with several hundred troops, 20k gold or so and a load of equipment?

Anyway, that is all ill say. I tend to stay away from nerdfest topics like this for fear of turning into one of those weirdos who argues on the internet.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Falka on November 02, 2012, 02:37:08 pm
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Gnjus, you're right, I didn't participate in previous strats, but you must admit that it did need neither great activity nor experience in strat to gather decent number of troops and gear in your best fief - castle, not in bloody village. And that's the main reason why I'm dissapointed, because United pointlessly wasted forces which might have been used with more sense. Forces which I helped to gather.

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Grandmom! Will you marry me?
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 02:41:25 pm
Yea, and it was impossible to send troops and gear to castle BEFORE attack, not after, when was too late. As I said, masters in stratetegy at work  :rolleyes:
That's what I'm saying, he left Yalibe with 2 k troops and all gear and let Unions lock his 1k army. Then, when he won battle against 300 Unions troops, instead of sending back 600 troops to Yalibe where you had tons of gear he retreated. Just luz.
Except that Yalibe was already surrounded by a number of other armies at that point. He would've lost all if he had headed back.

Doing things before the attack, yes, we had our things spread out too much and too much of it being in fiefs, rather than on people (why do people keep doing this?), which is merely a direct consequence of our structure. We could've retreated with more, possibly (but only in case of UIF not pursuing us, being all mounted and quickmarching).

Gnjus, you're right, I didn't participate in previous strats, but you must admit that it did need neither great activity nor experience in strat to gather decent number of troops and gear in your best fief - castle, not in bloody village. And that's the main reason why I'm dissapointed, because United pointlessly wasted forces which might have been used with more sense. Forces which I helped to gather.

There was no indication, that the UIF would be targetting us specifically. In fact, it actually seemed like they were finally attacking the Eastern bloc.
What with the PP reset only a day or so ago, our fiefs were still in disarray with fief owners only starting to define roles for them.
Also, it took the UIF at most a couple of hours to cross the distance between our line of sight and our fiefs.

Lets face it, you do not know what happened in the area, so please, refrain from these uninformed remarks.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 02:42:52 pm
Gnjus, you're right, I didn't participate in previous strats, but you must admit that it did need neither great activity nor experience in strat to gather decent number of troops and gear in your best fief - castle, not in bloody village. And that's the main reason why I'm dissapointed, because United pointlessly wasted forces which might have been used with more sense. Forces which I helped to gather.

Your point would've been correct if not for one small detail: remember how NSFW party was made in the first place ? And with what "cause" ? What you call "pointlessly wasted" was in fact "having a lots of battles & fun", something that was the main purpose of this "free for all" Strat faction. Maybe you didn't know that when you were joining, if that's the case then i understand your feelings.
Also: you should know that in skype I've been saying its a noble cause but a doomed one nonetheless, since carebearing is impossible to avoid in this game. They should've just picked a side from day 1 if they wanted to play as a proper faction, everything else was gonna be wiped no matter what and no matter by which larger force. Carebears are not gonna let an "indie" to run around the middle and attack stuff on a random bases, smaller clans have tried that in past versions of strat and look how they all ended up: either wiped or having their feet sticking out of the big boys hairy assholes.  :wink:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Tyr_ on November 02, 2012, 02:46:42 pm
I'll make it quick.

First: please close this thread before the drama goes on for dozens of pages...

Ptx, you came to Coalitions ts asking them for free passage through their lands to march north with all your armies, but when you got asked if you want to go to NA you said no. I was in the channel because i talked to rogue the second before you joined  :rolleyes:.
So, you bring your armies to the north, but do not go to NA, so your targets are limited to Coalitions north-eastern fiefs (i think we can agree that this is a stupid idea), Wolves & Cotgs - our friends - or, if you bring enough patience, Fisdnar which is owned by us. Therefore this was a quite fishy request.

Moreover Olwen said that there are no deals between us, which basicly is like saying: We don't give you the 700 troops we agreed on earlier!

Also on attacking Olwen. He is shittalking about Mercenaries since strat 2. He is acting like he is the best crpg player ever saying all new mercs are shit and that this is not the Clan that it should be in his opinion. And considering how fucking retarded he acts i'm happy about that. Maybe it would be the clan that is "should be" if you would be one of it's leaders? bless chadz that you arent...
Also he is going on like he is the king of strategus threatening us with his and UIF's armies.
Attacking Olwen is a satisfaction for everyone in Mercenaries, i think there were three armies that wanted to catch him.

We have no Problems with the members of you faction, we did not and we will not attack for example teeth, even though he is unarmed and has 300 crates. He helped us a lot in strat battles and is not shittalking about us in any way.

Also stop this "you don't fight UIF" shit. Maybe you haven't recognized the new game mechanics, but to attack a fief which you cannot take in one go is rly stupid since the defender get 50% of the equipment. This will stay a cold war until one side has enough forces to attack without caring about the equipment they give to the other faction. We tried to do some smart moves against the nords and bypassing this annoying system by attacking undefended fiefs and setting up heavy defenses in there, but unfortunately the battle bugged out and instead of gaining a castle we lost all armies that were supposed to dump their troops in it. There is no point in charging at each others defenses. You've seen how the battles for Ismirala and Jameyyed castle went.

All you had to do was asking for help. Not only us but also other factions had armies ready that could support you if you would have asked, we would have helped you despite the fact that Olwen is constantly shittalking about us.
Damn it, if you would have defended the castle instead of the villages you still could hold a fief and we would have sent reinforces even without you askin for, but you got wiped within 2 days because olwen needed to keep his precious village  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Falka on November 02, 2012, 02:52:50 pm
I'm done with this thread, already said everything what I wanted to say.

PS
Maybe you didn't know that when you were joining, if that's the case then i understand your feelings.

I blame Barabes, I didn't want to join United in the first place, but whole Barabe clan joined them, so I did the same  :wink:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 02:53:04 pm
All you had to do was asking for help.

Sorry old chap but the only one capable of doing it in this whole 40+ men faction is Olwen (having no spine and all that), while the rest of us have certain...."troubles" with bending over, kneeling down (you know how hard it is with an arrow in your knee), kissing other people's assholes and stuff like that. I highly doubt any of you Mercs would accept Lolwen's slimy tongue in your anus.  :wink:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 02:56:33 pm
Bull.

Will adress starting from the botoom.

I won't adress most of the crap, which has been adressed already. And i'm done trying to point out your (eastern bloc's) freaking obvious fuck up in this strat. GG, EU.

If you can't stand Olwen, don't sign a NAP with his faction, simple enough?

Did Olwen sign the deal? Or did i? Check the OP.

As for coalition and right of passage, it was something i changed my mind about/realised i still had some other things to do first the moment i started speaking.

Still nothing justifying you breaking the NAP you yourselves wanted so much.

Why should i close it?
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Tyr_ on November 02, 2012, 02:57:58 pm
You've seen it in last strat what we think of kneeling to somebody else, we rather got wiped than being pets of someone.
But since Olwen kept threatening us how grey order is going to wipe us on his command - i rly would appreciate an answer by harpag or hetman about this - we weren't really in the mood to send out reinforcements nobody asked for.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: dodnet on November 02, 2012, 03:04:07 pm
Also stop this "you don't fight UIF" shit. Maybe you haven't recognized the new game mechanics, but to attack a fief which you cannot take in one go is rly stupid since the defender get 50% of the equipment. This will stay a cold war until one side has enough forces to attack without caring about the equipment they give to the other faction.

And this exactly is the problem of strategus. Everyone will be sitting around on its troops until the end of days (or an incoming wipe) and then just go rambo and attack everything at once. So sitting around for months, doing shit just to blow up everything in a day or two. Makes it a boring game.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Tyr_ on November 02, 2012, 03:12:30 pm
I don't like the new system either. The only way to start attacks is with overwhelming force, otherwhise all you do is equipping your enemies armies. We just have to fight by the system, if not we only waste a huge amount of resources. This also makes it quite logical that UIF attacked you first instead of attacking eastern block. Easier target, less risk, etc....
We have no hard feelings towards you. You want to be neutral and you can be, but if you stand on your own don't blame others for not helping you. The only person we have problems with is olwen.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: GRANDMOM on November 02, 2012, 03:16:56 pm
There was no indication, that the UIF would be targetting us specifically. In fact, it actually seemed like they were finally attacking the Eastern bloc.
What with the PP reset only a day or so ago, our fiefs were still in disarray with fief owners only starting to define roles for them.
Also, it took the UIF at most a couple of hours to cross the distance between our line of sight and our fiefs.

Lets face it, you do not know what happened in the area, so please, refrain from these uninformed remarks.

I sounded the alarm on the 20 of october, and continued until the 26 of october, both u and Olwen got word of the coming armies of Druzhinas, Union, Grey. Because you and OLWEN didnt act in any way, I left the clan. The day after the attack begun.....u had a week to prepare

If u want the pm:s concerning this matter and what u answered, be sure to deny this fact PTX and OLWEN and I will hand em over to the forums for all to see. Just say the word
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Torben on November 02, 2012, 03:19:26 pm
Quote from: mercs
...


actually said strat system would have favored you to heavily support udn against the incoming attacks,  weakening uif immensly in this early strat stage and getting there good equipment.  my 2 cents to all the strategy bitching :'D

I do however recognize that not enough trust was between your factions for such a grave decision...
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: GRANDMOM on November 02, 2012, 03:26:36 pm

Grandmom! Will you marry me?

Perhaps, whats in it for me? :)
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Falka on November 02, 2012, 03:38:23 pm
There was no indication, that the UIF would be targetting us specifically.

Lets face it, you do not know what happened in the area,
I sounded the alarm on the 20 of october, and continued until the 26 of october, both u and Olwen got word of the coming armies of Druzhinas, Union, Grey. Because you and OLWEN didnt act in any way, I left the clan. The day after the attack begun.....u had a week to prepare

It seems you do not know either what happened in this area. Meh, why am I so weak in my will?  :cry:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 02, 2012, 03:41:07 pm

actually said strat system would have favored you to heavily support udn against the incoming attacks,  weakening uif immensly in this early strat stage and getting there good equipment.  my 2 cents to all the strategy bitching :'D

I do however recognize that not enough trust was between your factions for such a grave decision...
Yes but you see Torben, Gnjus is right there clan is not right for Strategus. they think they can log on every now and then.
Failing to see the hard work that is needed to run a smooth operation.

What would have happend if we equiped Lolwen ? Same misstakes. Half full roster.
no one in TS taking charge. They would have lost it all the same way they lost there things.
Our offer was that we where to free there feefs but only if they supported us with troops gold first.

You see if Mercs controlled those 5k south of Dhrim that they lost we would at least had reindi maybe tshitbin and Ylaibe as well.
Who knows.

Thing is PTX and Lolwen is so pissed of by me for some reason i don't know. might be that im straight forward with all stuff some cant handle that.


From my memory (:) TS meeting for deal on Reindi.

Ginger: Hello ptx how is liffee (in a very nice and happy voice i had a great day that day i remember)
ptx: ehh hmmm let go down to business (sounded like he wanted to kill me)

Ohh a word from Greys would be nice since they didnt fall in the temptation to try resupply mr Lolwen. How are things do really olwen control some part of grey army like he want to threaten all with ?
 
Cant be that friendly Olwen when they don't even resupply you.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 04:02:18 pm
From my memory (:) TS meeting for deal on Reindi.

Ginger: Hello ptx how is liffee (in a very nice and happy voice i had a great day that day i remember)
ptx: ehh hmmm let go down to business (sounded like he wanted to kill me)
You must've been drunk, since the way i remember it, you started pushing other things on me, in a threatening manner and, after i declined, saying it is not really our thing, you just went: "Oh, okay, but then i give you and your traders 24h to leave before i wipe you and hunt you all down".
Very nice of you, indeed.

Also, completely unrelated to this.

Also, we never said anything against you before this. Then you sent PMs calling us assholes, liars, cheats and what the fuck not. We are not the ones with a personality problem here.

I sounded the alarm on the 20 of october, and continued until the 26 of october, both u and Olwen got word of the coming armies of Druzhinas, Union, Grey. Because you and OLWEN didnt act in any way, I left the clan. The day after the attack begun.....u had a week to prepare

If u want the pm:s concerning this matter and what u answered, be sure to deny this fact PTX and OLWEN and I will hand em over to the forums for all to see. Just say the word


You sounded the alarm at either UIF caravans or forces milling around in their own territory.
The armies that attacked us, crossed the entire distance from our line of sight to our fiefs within a coule of hours.

Still nothing justifying you breaking the NAP you yourselves wanted so much.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 04:20:52 pm
Failing to see the hard work that is needed to run a smooth operation.

I prefer to call it "having no real life outside the game" rather then "doing hard work to run a smooth operation".  :P

But nevermind, next time you compare me with something at least make it with some chicks and alcohol involved and not Strategos, clans & diplomacy. I stated ages ago that I'm not involved in Strat much (didn't even write nonsense on forum, partially because i was muted ofc  :wink:) but I really DON'T expect to log now and then AND be successful in this game, as I am perfectly aware that it is IMPOSSIBLE. You confused me with someone else, Gingercunt.  :wink:

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Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Casimir on November 02, 2012, 04:23:41 pm
i lold all over this thread
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Torben on November 02, 2012, 04:36:08 pm
my dog lies next to me,  licking his penis.  what a good boy :'D


also,  forget what went down and get your shit together,  or be steamrolled! that would be to  bad : / 


Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 02, 2012, 05:53:06 pm
my dog lies next to me,  licking his penis.  what a good boy :'D


also,  forget what went down and get your shit together,  or be steamrolled! that would be to  bad : /
Lol i thought he was licking ur Penis u sick boy :P

Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 02, 2012, 05:54:06 pm
I prefer to call it "having no real life outside the game" rather then "doing hard work to run a smooth operation".  :P

But nevermind, next time you compare me with something at least make it with some chicks and alcohol involved and not Strategos, clans & diplomacy. I stated ages ago that I'm not involved in Strat much (didn't even write nonsense on forum, partially because i was muted ofc  :wink:) but I really DON'T expect to log now and then AND be successful in this game, as I am perfectly aware that it is IMPOSSIBLE. You confused me with someone else, Gingercunt.  :wink:

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Yes i agree and that's why im not involved so much in strat cept for Dhirim. Here i sit and wait for UIF to show up.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 05:59:08 pm
Yes i agree and that's why im not involved so much in strat cept for Dhirim. Here i sit and wait for UIF to show up.

But...but....you know that you don't stand a chance against UIF that way, right ? Especially their "new wave of vampires"...... :shock:

http://forum.meleegaming.com/global/

Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: GRANDMOM on November 02, 2012, 05:59:24 pm
Quote from: [ptx
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You sounded the alarm at either UIF caravans or forces milling around in their own territory.
The armies that attacked us, crossed the entire distance from our line of sight to our fiefs within a coule of hours.

Well.....for instance theese guys mentioned in my letter below to OLWEN werent the ones that attacked us l24 hours later u mean? And the three 100 man unarmed UIF armies that surrounding our fiefs about 30 hours before the big armies attacked us were just out looking for mushrooms?? They didnt recon our fiefs? I could go on looking at all the other PM:s I sent u and Olwen during theese six days , but I wont. I could check your forums if I had access to them and shows theese to u. Here is one letter of many letters send to u and Olwen.


From:Wolves_LW_GRANDMOM
To:Olwen_Lamhban
Sent:26/10/2012 01:47:56
DRUSHINA
Hi,

DRUZHINA closing in on Peshmi, 2000 heavy, not by the looks of it going for Halmar, not really for Peshmi either but very close to. Perhaps passing Peshmi on their way to Reindi....I dont know....could swing around and attack Unuzdag but I doubt it

but i guess we dont have to worry as u say....we could have acted on their offensive manner 4 days ago ,when I sounded the alarm, and assembled the army - if we loose Peshmi or Reindi because of your ignorance its a pitty really

Bottom line is, u screwed up, didnt listen, didnt act, didnt assemble an army, didnt move troops to Reindi, didnt buy enough gear (we had gold but u veterans couldnt decide what to buy), didnt get the gear we left for u in our fiefs, didnt pick up the gold from our fiefs, didnt accept friendly invites from neighbours of cooperation, didnt accept offers of defencepacts offered, didnt succed in any diplomatic relations, didnt accept to call for aid in time, u did nothing.

As veterans (at least we thought u were) u should have been able to read the situation better then the rest of us, u didnt.

Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 06:12:41 pm
..didn't cure cancer, didn't go back in time and prevent obama, didn't fix strategus, didn't... oh, sorry, i got carried away.

1) How and what do you scout with 100 man armies moving about? :rolleyes:
2) We bought as much gear as we could afford with the gold we had. Protip: it is really expensive.
3) What good would an army do us?
4) What gear in what fiefs?
5) As for diplomacy, you really have no idea, we have had talks with oh so many people.

The fuck-ups were some micro-management issues and the fact that we all got settled in the center and grew a bit too attached to those fiefs.

We read the situation just fine, you fail to understand how things work in strat. We never could defend our area against UIF, never. The advantage in resources and manpower is just too skewed against us. The problem was that they caught us a bit short of ready to leave and we overestimated our capability to withstand the first wave - or rather underestimated the capability of UIF to throw more and more armies at us and their movement speed.

You never got onto the group skype chat, so you can't really claim to know what is/was going on regarding the ongoing events and what influenced many of the things that were done. The forums simply can't be used for live coordination.

Once again, unrelated to Mercs breaking a non-agression pact and ganking a non-hostile faction, instead of fighting UIF.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Tyr_ on November 02, 2012, 06:41:40 pm
I'm not sure how you think about this but when Olwen threatens us with Grey Order wiping us out on his command - again, an answer by a grey would be appreciated about this matter - it seems to be an hostile action against Mercenaries which would make you a hostile faction since Olwen speaks for your faction.

As I said, we have no problems with anybody in your faction, you have a lot of nice guys in there. But Olwens constant shittalkin about Mercenaries and his threats made it easy for us to decide if we should attack him or not. And then again you sell the greys a fief which gives them a foothold right at the doorstep of Dhirim area. And just out of interest, what did you plan to do with all your troops that want to move through coalition land to the north, but not to NA?
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Olwen on November 02, 2012, 06:47:27 pm
All i see in this thread is a whole bunch of liers, ignorants, idiots, hypocrites, trashtalkers, drama makers, cowards, honorless people, backstabbers, wastes, nolifers and wannabes. Short version: all i see here is shit. And what I only feel is the taste of bitterness for what has been, what should have been and what is. You don't deserve a single glance, a single minute of attention. In all honesty, you don't even deserve to breath for what comes from your mouth smells like the filthiest dirt.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gnjus on November 02, 2012, 06:55:33 pm
All i see in this thread is a whole bunch of liers, ignorants, idiots, hypocrites, trashtalkers, drama makers, cowards, honorless people, backstabbers, wastes, nolifers and wannabes. Short version: all i see here is shit. And what I only feel is the taste of bitterness for what has been, what should have been and what is. You don't deserve a single glance, a single minute of attention. In all honesty, you don't even deserve to breath for what comes from your mouth smells like the filthiest dirt.

Don't worry old friend: I'll never allow them to get you down on your own. When everything is lost, when the dark forces come to claim your head they'll have two to down, not one. Not because I value your friendship above anything else in this world but because i firmly believe that no person on this world should die alone, especially after spending their whole life in loneliness and sorrow. I've had my fair share of life and I don't mind wasting what's left of it on my favorite frog. Thy shall not die on your own, remember that Olwen. I'll be there for you. Always.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Gingerpussy on November 02, 2012, 07:12:03 pm
wow what a touching read :)
 
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: [ptx] on November 02, 2012, 07:18:53 pm
I'm not sure how you think about this but when Olwen threatens us with Grey Order wiping us out on his command - again, an answer by a grey would be appreciated about this matter - it seems to be an hostile action against Mercenaries which would make you a hostile faction since Olwen speaks for your faction.

As I said, we have no problems with anybody in your faction, you have a lot of nice guys in there. But Olwens constant shittalkin about Mercenaries and his threats made it easy for us to decide if we should attack him or not. And then again you sell the greys a fief which gives them a foothold right at the doorstep of Dhirim area. And just out of interest, what did you plan to do with all your troops that want to move through coalition land to the north, but not to NA?
When was this talk about greys? Before we signed the deal?

Olwen has said numerous times that he speaks for himself. I signed the deal with you, i speak to you on behalf of UDNWSFLC.

As for fief, it has been mentioned numerous times in this god-forsaken thread, read it.

How is shittalking between Olwen and some mercs relevant to a strategus NAP?

I already explained everything there is to explain about me popping up on Coalition TS, we are probably going to NA, because EU is fucked up.

Let's face it, you have no excuses for breaking a deal you made, so much for your integrity.
Don't worry old friend: I'll never allow them to get you down on your own. When everything is lost, when the dark forces come to claim your head they'll have two to down, not one. Not because I value your friendship above anything else in this world but because i firmly believe that no person on this world should die alone, especially after spending their whole life in loneliness and sorrow. I've had my fair share of life and I don't mind wasting what's left of it on my favorite frog. Thy shall not die on your own, remember that Olwen. I'll be there for you. Always.
How can one not love Lolwen :oops:
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP.
Post by: Casimir on November 02, 2012, 07:33:10 pm
Don't worry old friend: I'll never allow them to get you down on your own. When everything is lost, when the dark forces come to claim your head they'll have two to down, not one. Not because I value your friendship above anything else in this world but because i firmly believe that no person on this world should die alone, especially after spending their whole life in loneliness and sorrow. I've had my fair share of life and I don't mind wasting what's left of it on my favorite frog. Thy shall not die on your own, remember that Olwen. I'll be there for you. Always.


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Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP. Also, shocking news, Mercs break deals.
Post by: Bjord on November 02, 2012, 07:41:01 pm
Who the fuck cares, christ. It's just Strat. Don't wet your panties, Olwen.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP. Also, shocking news, Mercs break deals.
Post by: Olwen on November 02, 2012, 11:00:24 pm
i'm perfectly calm and cool ^^ though coming from someone who fucked up his studies and has shitty relationships with his parents because he can't live without playing and cares so much about his internet reputation (which is completly awful) such comment is quite funny
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP. Also, shocking news, Mercs break deals.
Post by: Bjord on November 02, 2012, 11:05:48 pm
Nice fiction, bro.

And nobody's blind, you're carebearing more than anyone at the moment. Anyone can see this, just check the top for Olwen's emo quote about how he hates the world and he's so much better than everyone else, etc.

Olwen gonna Olwen, I guess.
Title: Re: A bit of trading and a nap-time NAP. Also, shocking news, Mercs break deals.
Post by: Olwen on November 02, 2012, 11:12:10 pm
no hate, only contempt