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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: dontgothere on October 17, 2012, 11:11:17 am
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I've been grinding ARTIEthestrongestmanINTHEWORLD like crazy for months, wanting to be the first person post-throwing nerf to work his way back up to a useable 11 powerthrow. I had used the CRPG calculator at http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm to make sure that when I hit level 33 I would have enough WPF to be able to use that 11 Powerthrow. According to it when I hit level 33 I was going to have 144 WPF in throwing, and of course the requirement (13 x 11) is 143. I thought even if it was one off I'd be covered.
But I finally hit level 33 tonight and I levelled up and the calculator was off by two. I only have 142 WPF. I have one less wpf than is required to use the 11 powerthrow. There's absolutely nothing I can do about it until I hit level 34, which is effectively never since I'm only gen 4.
I'm not respeccing. I don't know what my effective powerthrow is being nerfed down to as a result of my "throwing proficiency is not high enough" but no matter what, that whole grueling grind from 32-33, which I've been doing for months, has been worthless; the only things I put points into simply don't take effect.
I deserve to be laughed at because it's funny, but it fucks up my best character, and I can't help thinking what I often think about CRPG: I wish they hadn't nerfed everything quite so much.
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34 isn't that unachievable actually.
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:cry:
Feel bad for ya man.
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Maybe use some lighter armor to solve the wpf problems :?: :?
34 isn't that unachievable actually.
Ehm depends if you have a life or not :lol:
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Naked = still one point too few.
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I've been grinding ARTIEthestrongestmanINTHEWORLD like crazy for months, wanting to be the first person post-throwing nerf to work his way back up to a useable 11 powerthrow. I had used the CRPG calculator at http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm to make sure that when I hit level 33 I would have enough WPF to be able to use that 11 Powerthrow. According to it when I hit level 33 I was going to have 144 WPF in throwing, and of course the requirement (13 x 11) is 143. I thought even if it was one off I'd be covered.
But I finally hit level 33 tonight and I levelled up and the calculator was off by two. I only have 142 WPF. I have one less wpf than is required to use the 11 powerthrow. There's absolutely nothing I can do about it until I hit level 34, which is effectively never since I'm only gen 4.
I'm not respeccing. I don't know what my effective powerthrow is being nerfed down to as a result of my "throwing proficiency is not high enough" but no matter what, that whole grueling grind from 32-33, which I've been doing for months, has been worthless; the only things I put points into simply don't take effect.
I deserve to be laughed at because it's funny, but it fucks up my best character, and I can't help thinking what I often think about CRPG: I wish they hadn't nerfed everything quite so much.
Guess you could try asking devs if they're nice for a full respec so you get some more agi? Or just grind to 34 like a no-lifer.
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Woah. That's super harsh, bro. God damn, if I could give you some of my experience to get you towards 34 I would.
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"WPF calculation can have minor error (1-2 WPF), as it is based on player observations and not exact function like before (thanks Gafferjack)."
I should feel sorry for you, but eh you are ranged :mrgreen:.
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Buy a training session maybe? :P
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I feel genuinely bad for you :|
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i'm not sure if i should feel sad for you or laugh my ass off. if it makes your life easier, i have lvl 32 archer that went through so many devs nerfs i lost count of.
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Feeling a permanent GTX coming on.
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Feeling a permanent GTX coming on.
Don't do it m8. I hit 33 a little over a month ago and realized I done goofed on how much ironflesh I had, respecced, and here I am today, 6 short million away from 33 again.
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Sorry for that crap, but this is still funny as hell
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Yeah lets grind like 80m xp with my build being ineffective as fuck , but I'm afraid you won't get a free respec. Otherwise evrybody will want one.
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Just for the record there's absolutely no way of changing-up the points so that my build works out.
Apart from the bare minimum necessary for PT 11, I have 5 skill points (or two stats and one skill). That's not enough to increase agi or wm enough to raise my wpf even one point.
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U may have a slight change if the new wpf system is still coming, i think they were talking about wpf respec at that point for everyone , dunno will that help in ur situation but there might be a change that the pt req's get lowered or wpf gain from wm increases so u can be effective :)
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That would be awesome and the only thing at this point that would keep me playing CRPG. Thanks for the info bro
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I think that is the dev's way of keeping you from 1 shotting people every throw for just a little longer. You are deadly enough as is you naked hobo of pain giving.
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SOMEBODY GIVE THIS MAN THE RESPEC HE DESERVES
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Everyone and their mother knows that calculator is off by a few WPF. O welp, retire, claim Veteran title and 3 looms and enjoy grinding to 33 again.
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is there a way to correct your build with a respecc?
If so, buy training lessons. They cost about 1 million gold. Expensive, yeah, but worth it in your case.
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Sad story :cry:
Personally I'm going to be very happy when I hit level 33 as I know I did my math right and will have 13 Shield skill and 13 Athletics.
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I will personally sell an heirloom and pay for Artie's training lessons to correct his build if he wants me to.
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anyone wanna pay for a respec for me too? =) hehe
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lvl 1-34 has taken 1,5 month for me at gen 16, if you only play casually you probably will reach 33-34 in 3 months maximum?
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is there a way to correct your build with a respecc?
If so, buy training lessons. They cost about 1 million gold. Expensive, yeah, but worth it in your case.
It seems like he has the maximum wpf you can get while having 33 strength for the 11 pt. So any possible respec will give him a 10 pt build, which he essentially has already.
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It seems like he has the maximum wpf you can get while having 33 strength for the 11 pt. So any possible respec will give him a 10 pt build, which he essentially has already.
hm, maybe he could have less athletics/IF and put these points towards another bracket of agi?
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hm, maybe he could have less athletics/IF and put these points towards another bracket of agi?
I don't think its possible to get enough for 33/15. I am taking a guess that his build is something like this:
Level 33 (35 569 612 xp)
Strength: 33
Agility: 12
Hit points: 70
Skills to attributes: 14
Ironflesh: 1
Power Strike: 0
Shield: 0
Athletics: 4
Riding: 0
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 11
Weapon Master: 4
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 1
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 142
May be off on the athletics/IF, but regardless he won't have the points to convert to get 3 more athletics and an additional WM.
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As someone who is relatively new to cRPG, and who is still learning how all the points work by tinkering with char calcs, I would be superrr pissed. And I haven't even made it to 2nd gen yet. Lulz.
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I think you should just stick it out Throwbro. You've still got 10 power throw and like others have been saying, getting to 34 isn't that unrealistic.
Most importantly, don't leave us :*((((
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Stuff like this is why the training lessons auction exists. In case the devs don't take pity on your admittedly unfortunate situation, you should be able to fix the problem if you can come up with about 2.5 million gold.
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Sad story :cry:
Personally I'm going to be very happy when I hit level 33 as I know I did my math right and will have 13 Shield skill and 13 Athletics.
Best build ever.
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Never respec, it's waste of time. Make an alt and play on it. Works for me but you probably play strategus which can be an issue.
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Stuff like this is why the training lessons auction exists. In case the devs don't take pity on your admittedly unfortunate situation, you should be able to fix the problem if you can come up with about 2.5 million gold.
Considering the fact that game hasn't been patched in quite some time and that devs are busy with other projects I think that one free respec for everyone couldn't hurt in this situation.
If you ask me, free respec should be like stf respec, having 7 days cooldown.
Might create problems with strategus though, but idc about strat.
Edit: I've came back after few months pause and can't force myself to play cRPG longer than few hours a week. That means I'm not lobbying because idc enough to lobby for anything cRPG related.
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Stuff like this is why the training lessons auction exists. In case the devs don't take pity on your admittedly unfortunate situation, you should be able to fix the problem if you can come up with about 2.5 million gold.
Respec won't help him at all.
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Respec won't help him at all.
Why not?
His build is impossible and he obviously wants to change it, with a respec he can do exactly that.
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Why not?
His build is impossible and he obviously wants to change it, with a respec he can do exactly that.
He wants 11 PT real bad afaik. Having 10 PT as he got atm but respec would just give him maybe some extra points into IF or Ath which is fairly useless i guess.
I dunno.
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Pretty sure his problem mainly is that he hit 33 and gained nothing from it while having 10pt and another wm worth of WPF in throwing will be an improvement.
Might have gotten it wrong though but he said he would like if everyone was offered a respec.
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I will personally sell an heirloom and pay for Artie's training lessons to correct his build if he wants me to.
Yeah go ahead sell the looms that I've grinded my ass off for
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Yeah go ahead sell the looms that I've grinded my ass off for
I knew this was coming at some point.
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Thanks for the replies everybody. I'll see what I can do about the training session, and it looks like there could eventually be a patch that changes the WPF system, so there's hope yet. In the meantime hopefully the wpf penalty isn't nerfing my PT to lower than the 10 I had before.
Pretty sure it's taken me about 3-4 months to go 32-33 at gen 4, that's playing just about nothing but siege. So it could be 3-6 months before I make 34, if ever. I worry the NA siege population will have ebbed by then but we'll see.
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Since nobodies posted it yet...
this calculator - http://alpha-lider19.ru/MB/ SHOULD (it has in my experience) have 100% accurate WPF calculations, but otherwise it's not as nice as using
http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm
Is nice for just ease of use, but the WPF is off, and that's been that way for at least a year.
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I've been grinding ARTIEthestrongestmanINTHEWORLD like crazy for months, wanting to be the first person post-throwing nerf to work his way back up to a useable 11 powerthrow. I had used the CRPG calculator at http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm to make sure that when I hit level 33 I would have enough WPF to be able to use that 11 Powerthrow. According to it when I hit level 33 I was going to have 144 WPF in throwing, and of course the requirement (13 x 11) is 143. I thought even if it was one off I'd be covered.
But I finally hit level 33 tonight and I levelled up and the calculator was off by two. I only have 142 WPF. I have one less wpf than is required to use the 11 powerthrow. There's absolutely nothing I can do about it until I hit level 34, which is effectively never since I'm only gen 4.
I'm not respeccing. I don't know what my effective powerthrow is being nerfed down to as a result of my "throwing proficiency is not high enough" but no matter what, that whole grueling grind from 32-33, which I've been doing for months, has been worthless; the only things I put points into simply don't take effect.
I deserve to be laughed at because it's funny, but it fucks up my best character, and I can't help thinking what I often think about CRPG: I wish they hadn't nerfed everything quite so much.
u didnt think about changing your armor? :lol:
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u didnt think about changing your armor? :lol:
Artie plays almost exclusively naked.
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Dammit Tom, you ninja bastard.
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"WPF calculation can have minor error (1-2 WPF), as it is based on player observations and not exact function like before (thanks Gafferjack)."
This was Espu having inaccurate coding methods for the WPF numbers. Papikikikifarikki (or however you spell that, good lord) ended up fixing it, and then it reverted back to being incorrect for some reason a short while after.
If you want to know the exact amount of WPF you can get, just use my thread (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,795.0.html). I had information in my thread that was incorrect when Vargas added it to the calculator; after I corrected it (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,37.msg17489.html#msg17489) he never updated.
It's accurate enough as it is, a few points difference is insignificant.
cbadevteam
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u didnt think about changing your armor? :lol:
...He plays naked already.
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what useless and worthless goal is this
wow, OP tho suck tbh
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Pretty sure throwing now requires 14wpf per pt. I found that out too late when my 8pt hybrid didn't have enough wpf for 8pt.
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That really sucks. I would personally respec. You'll lose exp, but will at least have a useable character.
u didnt think about changing your armor? :lol:
Hi, I have no understanding of ranged wpf requirements, and I have an opinion.
Pretty sure throwing now requires 14wpf per pt. I found that out too late when my 8pt hybrid didn't have enough wpf for 8pt.
Nah, it's still 13. Otherwise you couldn't do level 30 PT 10 builds, as they would require 140 wpf, and I'm pretty sure 138 is the most you can get.
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That really sucks. I would personally respec. You'll lose exp, but will at least have a useable character.
Hi, I have no understanding of ranged wpf requirements, and I have an opinion.
hes got a perfectly playable character, just missing out on 1 PT, big fuc en deal. also if he used a better mix of weapons he'd get alot more kills. wasting PT10 jarids on peasants to 1 shot them is just stupid. he could kill them with throwing daggers or stars and have x3-4 ammo.
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I will admit my own ignorance as I was gone for a few patches, but isn't he reduced to PT 0 since he doesn't have enough wpf? He can't pick up anything he throws, and they do minimum damage.
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also if he used a better mix of weapons he'd get alot more kills.
yeah you'll never see me anywhere near the top of the scoreboard, fo sho
Why all :twisted: Digglez?
I have no idea what my effective PT is, but I can definitely still use the throwing weapons.
I'd never heard about training before - I guess I just wait for it to show up in marketplace? Not seeing anything there now. I've got a MW Miaodao and about 700k gold, together that sounds like it would nearly afford it.
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Nah, it's still 13. Otherwise you couldn't do level 30 PT 10 builds, as they would require 140 wpf, and I'm pretty sure 138 is the most you can get.
13x8 is 104. I have 105 in throwing and still get the 'proficiency is too low' message even while wearing nothing.
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I will admit my own ignorance as I was gone for a few patches, but isn't he reduced to PT 0 since he doesn't have enough wpf? He can't pick up anything he throws, and they do minimum damage.
He'll throw with the amount of power throw his wpf supports, it doesn't magically remove all PT. He'll throw with 10 effective PT and can pick up all throwing weapons that requires up to 10 PT (everything). However, that eleventh point in power throw is wasted and does nothing at all.
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This is why you always cav
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Artie, you kinda ruined what was left of my awful day when I read this.
but, there's a bright side for everyone who was been hit by a rocket jarid to this predicament.
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Just Keep playing siege arty. You'll get that xp in no time!
Don't quit cRPG and become another worthless aluminum siding salesmen!
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Greatest gold sink! :shock:
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Would a lvl 30 STF with 10 PT work? I mean when it comes to WPF?
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Would a lvl 30 STF with 10 PT work? I mean when it comes to WPF?
Yes, my STF character is 10 PT currently. 30/12 with 4 WM for 138 WPF. 3 WM for 130 WPF SHOULD work, but I didn't test it.
13x8 is 104. I have 105 in throwing and still get the 'proficiency is too low' message even while wearing nothing.
I have no idea why that is. Very strange.
EDIT: Just tested this out. 8 PT, 104 WPF, completely naked. Worked with no issues.
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Ye tried it now. Works. Fun stuff.
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This is a good example of why you should make a balanced build if you decide to go high level.
A balanced build will always be somewhat good no matter what nerfs are made.
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I think we should start a donation fund to give Arite his respec!
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or it to show up in marketplace? Not seeing anything there now. I've got a MW Miaodao and about 700k gold, together that sounds like it would nearly afford it.
It's in the auction house.
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Wow, that really sucks. That's on par with poor Bars and the long voulge nerf.
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Wow, that really sucks. That's on par with poor Bars and the long voulge nerf.
Or being level 33 with only 4 riding on a champ courser, and then have them change to 6 riding requirement, and not given a free respec.
TO be fair, I think the riding requirement "nerfs" were much needed, but it fucked over quite a few long time players. I know Tommyhu quit for at least 2 months due to that.
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Just respec...
I did the same at lvl33 to become a 10PD rocket launcher. :wink:
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Just respec...
I did the same at lvl33 to become a 10PD rocket launcher. :wink:
That is so gay ...
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retire? you get 3 loompoints. It'll make you a little happier
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I'd donate, I don't have much, but it would be worth it... I've done things like this (nothing nearly to this high of a level) in cRPG and in other games before... I know the frustration that it causes and I think it'd be a real shame to lose such an awesome player to a build calculation issue... I'd say that helping a friend is certainly worth a few hundred thousand (all it would take if we got like 20-30 people) in the long run... I'm all for the donation, I'll even try to organize one if you like, there's certainly no shortage of people who love Artie...
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artie you still kill me. i think youre fine just the way you are :)
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Everyone should donate him 10k so he could buy training lessons thingy :)
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Oh artie seeing you on the battlefield is a great pleasure since you are a naked beauty. Not seeing you is the scariest thing in cRPG cause I know you are about to throw a homing rocket into my head.
Just stick with it till you get up to that level it's going to be 30-150 days till you get to 34 at only 4 hours of playing every day. If you sacrifice your health and life it will come to you three times faster :)
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if dev could make it 12.9 per power throw it will be nicer.
The fact that his build is impossible is just ABSURD.Maybe it need a slight change...
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I did something like that in crpg, like some years ago. With the first calculator that somebody did. I think it was Poul. Whatever I did not have so much time to play and I tried something.
I failed as usual.
So yes, shit smell hard. Maybe it is time for devs to get rid on some things that community, even if it is based on their so precious and original game mechanics (insert irony here), do for them. Or at least let some basic info for people who want to spend their time improving the mod making calculators or whatever stuff.
I say.
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I feel bad for artie in the wasted time but not so much in i HATE being one shot by him or black barred. Plus he is the reason for the random fluxes of thrower making the server to annoying sometimes haha. Such mixed feelings artie.
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I feel bad for artie in the wasted time but not so much in i HATE being one shot by him or black barred. Plus he is the reason for the random fluxes of thrower making the server to annoying sometimes haha. Such mixed feelings artie.
actually Chucky probably had a bigger impact. Artie doesnt play battle
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actually Chucky probably had a bigger impact. Artie doesnt play battle
You are right I had forgotten about chucky tosser. Though I don't play battle much anymore are there many throwers in there? In siege we can have almost a dozen str throwers running around on a bad day.
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Hey, I didn't know what a training session was but somebody explained and that won't help lol. :P I thought a training session was just a low more WPF points, cuz of, derp, training. I didn't know it's just a respec.
The only things I haven't put into throwing are 4 skill points in athletics and that's not enough to trade for more WM and even if I turned those 4 points into 2 Agi stat boosts that wouldn't be enough to get me enough wpf to increase the throwing wpf by one point.
just fyi! but i'm done QQing, fine now lol :)
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Yes, my STF character is 10 PT currently. 30/12 with 4 WM for 138 WPF. 3 WM for 130 WPF SHOULD work, but I didn't test it.
I have no idea why that is. Very strange.
EDIT: Just tested this out. 8 PT, 104 WPF, completely naked. Worked with no issues.
Sorry mate, it is nothing connected to that thread, but yor avatar is too distracting for me to pay attention for what you write :D ADDORABLE!!, yet i'm pretty sure that Artie can deal with that hard situation. i have 30 lvl stf thrower 27/12 and it seems to have satisfying dmg with +0 heavy throwing axes. I was thinking that if Artie would try instead of 33 strenght, go for 30 he would have much easier situation.
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Fuck, I was hoping for a perma-GTX so there's one less thrower stinking the place up