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Title: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 08, 2012, 01:22:18 pm
So i finally installed c-RPG on my Win8 pro and i would like to share the experience with you guys, so you'll have a clearer picture of what it's like.

First of all, i would like to tell you about advantages of Win8 over Win7:
The first thing that comes into mind is the new improved memory usage. It's just much more clean and less greedy :) Better drivers support, of-course and SPEED!
On my Win7 ultimate i would click on the visual studio 2012 icon and go make a coffee.. for everybody... But not on win8! It fires up MS software about 5 times faster and I am not exaggerating!
But, as it's usual with MS along with the good stuff comes the shit... You would sometimes disconnect from the internet for no particular reason and need to restart the PC :/ Sometimes disconnecting LAN cable might work, but most of the time it won't. And there's this Metro UI... God damn it! It turns your PC into a weird Android device with about the same functionality (colorful buttons, internet and calculator).
Also in the final release it's nos so easy to turn it off as it was on customer/developer preview version.

Now for the cRPG part:
While playing on maximum settings (no v. sync), on win7 i would sometimes get those annoying freezes and my fps would drop down to 30 :/ On win8 I dont get that as often, the minimum fps i got so far was 90, which makes a HUGE difference. In terms of MP I get much less lag and hit-through-block, then i would get on win7, but sometime i teleport for like 10 feet or so. So i can't really tell you that in this term it's that much better.

So, I'm not really sure whether I'll switch completely to win8 yet, but if you get the chance to try it out for free, i suggest you do it, just for the fun of it. As for myself, I wouldn't buy it. I got it for free via MSDN subscription (along with a lot of other software :P )

I'll also try c-RPG on Ubuntu 12.10 when it comes out, so stay tuned :)

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Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 08, 2012, 01:28:48 pm
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Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: dodnet on October 08, 2012, 01:30:06 pm
And there's this Metro UI... God damn it! It turns your PC into a weird Android device with about the same functionality (colorful buttons, internet and calculator).
Also in the final release it's nos so easy to turn it off as it was on customer/developer preview version.

You might try this: http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ to get the startmenu back in Win 8 and disable the metro screen.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 08, 2012, 01:34:01 pm
You might try this: http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ to get the startmenu back in Win 8 and disable the metro screen.

already downloaded it :) but i'll have to reboot into win8 to use it, and i just dont feel like it right now :P
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Latrinenkobold on October 08, 2012, 03:59:40 pm
I got Vista and everything runns smooth since 3 years.

No freezes/ fps 150 +

Though my pc is very slow these days because its really stuffed ...

Every corner in my pc is stuffed with things i will never use nor need.

Even on my windows plate is just 30 gb left even though i didnt install anything but some minor programms there....

It reaches maximum loadout when playing crpg which is crazy because my pc theoraticly could run crpg like 4 times at once :D
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Kafein on October 08, 2012, 04:13:59 pm
Every single time Microsoft releases a new OS people say "it's so much faster"

But really it's only a matter of time until your pc becomes crowded with unwanted software, a bloated registry and zillions of things to do when you login.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: cmp on October 08, 2012, 04:47:56 pm
But really it's only a matter of time until your pc becomes crowded with unwanted software, a bloated registry and zillions of things to do when you login.

That is, if you are unable to keep your computer clean. Everyone else enjoys pretty much the same "speed" for years.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: dodnet on October 08, 2012, 04:47:58 pm
Every single time Microsoft releases a new OS people say "it's so much faster"

But really it's only a matter of time until your pc becomes crowded with unwanted software, a bloated registry and zillions of things to do when you login.

Well I tried Windows 8 for work in a VMWare and I have to admit, it really feels smoother than previous versions. And thats not only because its a fresh install. Personally I'll stay with Win7 for a while, I give Win8 a try in some months maybe, not before. And I don't like that Metro stuff... its shit on a non-touch-device.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Kafein on October 08, 2012, 04:51:25 pm
That is, if you are unable to keep your computer clean. Everyone else enjoys pretty much the same "speed" for years.

But why does it has to tear down everything if I actually want all this shit ? I don't remember UNIX-based systems having the same flaw.

I'm honest, everything I don't actually need I keep on removing, I just want to keep a lot of things.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: cmp on October 08, 2012, 04:54:53 pm
But why does it has to tear down everything if I actually want all this shit ? I don't remember UNIX-based systems having the same flaw.

It has nothing to do with the system, it's the application developer's fault for releasing bloated pieces of shit, abusing auto-startup/services and creating uninstallers that don't remove everything.
With Linux it's slightly better because of package management, making it harder for developers to do damage.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 08, 2012, 05:08:24 pm
It has nothing to do with the system, it's the application developer's fault for releasing bloated pieces of shit, abusing auto-startup/services and creating uninstallers that don't remove everything.
With Linux it's slightly better because of package management, making it harder for developers to do damage.

even much more better with Apple :) they actually test those apps through out before they let you release them.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Kafein on October 08, 2012, 05:10:43 pm
It has nothing to do with the system, it's the application developer's fault for releasing bloated pieces of shit, abusing auto-startup/services and creating uninstallers that don't remove everything.
With Linux it's slightly better because of package management, making it harder for developers to do damage.

Amen
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Molly on October 08, 2012, 05:15:54 pm
Well I tried Windows 8 for work in a VMWare and I have to admit, it really feels smoother than previous versions. And thats not only because its a fresh install. Personally I'll stay with Win7 for a while, I give Win8 a try in some months maybe, not before. And I don't like that Metro stuff... its shit on a non-touch-device.
This.
I was thinking about testing 8 in VMWare too since I can get it for free from my University but I found out that the Pro version is atm only available in English... Until I can get a German Pro version I won't even think about touching it. I am lazy that way...  8-)
Besides, maybe waiting for the first service pack for 8 would be smart move. Haven't really decided yet. Not to mention that my 7 is running just fine right now and as we all know "Never change a running system!"

Using Linux only for the Latex/TexLive-Systen really, already have VMWare running... still... lazy!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Rhekimos on October 08, 2012, 05:18:46 pm
The speed in booting up MS software probably comes from the OS always keeping the files required in memory or cache.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Silicium on October 08, 2012, 05:27:37 pm
Going to wait a bit before buying it, i read that the current version is somewhat unstable at times and that they just wanted to release it as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: dodnet on October 08, 2012, 05:29:09 pm
creating uninstallers that don't remove everything.

Which again is a flaw of the Windows system... you can't simply remove everything you installed, because some DLL might be used by some other program. No one ever knows...
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: dodnet on October 08, 2012, 05:31:14 pm
I was thinking about testing 8 in VMWare too since I can get it for free from my University but I found out that the Pro version is atm only available in English... Until I can get a German Pro version I won't even think about touching it. I am lazy that way...  8-)
Besides, maybe waiting for the first service pack for 8 would be smart move. Haven't really decided yet. Not to mention that my 7 is running just fine right now and as we all know "Never change a running system!"

I think the free trial is in german too and I think there will be no SP anymore... I read something, that MS doesn't want to release SPs anymore and only single patches instead.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 08, 2012, 05:48:48 pm
Going to wait a bit before buying it, i read that the current version is somewhat unstable at times and that they just wanted to release it as soon as possible.

isn't it released yet?
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Silicium on October 08, 2012, 06:18:09 pm
isn't it released yet?

October 25 from what i know.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: cmp on October 08, 2012, 06:40:09 pm
Which again is a flaw of the Windows system... you can't simply remove everything you installed, because some DLL might be used by some other program. No one ever knows...

Nope.
That's still the developer's fault for installing/overriding .dlls in global accessible locations or adding the directory with .dlls to the path environment variable.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Duckzern on October 08, 2012, 06:41:10 pm
I tried Win 8, a lot of programs could not run on it. also the whole standard desktop and layout felt like it belonged on a tablet.

No nay never, no never no more will I use Windows 8.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Leshma on October 08, 2012, 07:01:51 pm
Win 8 has less active processes running than Win 7 and it's a bit faster. Problem is Metro interface (the most idiotic thing ever invented).

cRPG beta client works just fine on Win 8.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:44:23 pm
Win 8 has less active processes running than Win 7 and it's a bit faster. Problem is Metro interface (the most idiotic thing ever invented).

cRPG beta client works just fine on Win 8.

especcially if you disable those built-in spy/malware processes :D
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 08, 2012, 07:48:39 pm
October 25 from what i know.

what?? those copycats! October is reserved for something else! UBUNTU!...
anyway, if you want me to post screens of what i got (basically it's what they are releasing) just let me know.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Silicium on October 08, 2012, 09:31:24 pm
what?? those copycats! October is reserved for something else! UBUNTU!...
anyway, if you want me to post screens of what i got (basically it's what they are releasing) just let me know.

Please do, i would freaking love you  :P
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: MayPeX on October 09, 2012, 08:18:56 am
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Windows 8?
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: GuiKa on October 09, 2012, 08:54:55 am
So i finally installed c-RPG on my Win8 pro and i would like to share the experience with you guys, so you'll have a clearer picture of what it's like.

First of all, i would like to tell you about advantages of Win8 over Win7:
The first thing that comes into mind is the new improved memory usage. It's just much more clean and less greedy :) Better drivers support, of-course and SPEED!
On my Win7 ultimate i would click on the visual studio 2012 icon and go make a coffee.. for everybody... But not on win8! It fires up MS software about 5 times faster and I am not exaggerating!
But, as it's usual with MS along with the good stuff comes the shit... You would sometimes disconnect from the internet for no particular reason and need to restart the PC :/ Sometimes disconnecting LAN cable might work, but most of the time it won't. And there's this Metro UI... God damn it! It turns your PC into a weird Android device with about the same functionality (colorful buttons, internet and calculator).
Also in the final release it's nos so easy to turn it off as it was on customer/developer preview version.

Now for the cRPG part:
While playing on maximum settings (no v. sync), on win7 i would sometimes get those annoying freezes and my fps would drop down to 30 :/ On win8 I dont get that as often, the minimum fps i got so far was 90, which makes a HUGE difference. In terms of MP I get much less lag and hit-through-block, then i would get on win7, but sometime i teleport for like 10 feet or so. So i can't really tell you that in this term it's that much better.

So, I'm not really sure whether I'll switch completely to win8 yet, but if you get the chance to try it out for free, i suggest you do it, just for the fun of it. As for myself, I wouldn't buy it. I got it for free via MSDN subscription (along with a lot of other software :P )

I'll also try c-RPG on Ubuntu 12.10 when it comes out, so stay tuned :)

I have worked on windows 8 on my laptop since 4 months (starting with the RC and switching to the RTM). It's just faster and lighter than windows 7 with some cools feature like the copy&pasta pause/graphic.
I've also noticed a huge difference in term of boot speed between the RC (post beta) and RTM (now), considering the RC was already faster than Windows 7 ^^.

But you shouldn't take VS 2012 for example cause it wasn't build to run on Windows 7 and it's laggy as hell on it =x.

I'm happy to hear games run well on it, i haven't tested yet. I think i will switch to Win8 on my "gamer" computer as well.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Kafein on October 09, 2012, 09:09:23 am
Which again is a flaw of the Windows system... you can't simply remove everything you installed, because some DLL might be used by some other program. No one ever knows...

This is technically true for almost all OS. You can have shared libraries floating around everywhere if you want.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 09, 2012, 10:00:18 am
well, the first thing a actually did on 8 is look at the running processes. Still many "please-hack-my-pc" ones, but you don't get like 20 processes for window manager as on 7. Takes about 600mb on my 4gb PC.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 09, 2012, 03:46:33 pm
I am ready for you!

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Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 09, 2012, 04:35:30 pm
lol..... :D
screenshots added in the OP
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: MayPeX on October 09, 2012, 05:23:35 pm
I am ready for you!

(click to show/hide)

You brought Vista, you see the problem here?
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Kafein on October 09, 2012, 05:30:41 pm
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This is so highly gay I think it's actually hetero.


Buying a 3m marble penis-shaped sculpture, 200k cRPG gold.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Turkhammer on October 09, 2012, 06:24:12 pm
I tried Win 8, a lot of programs could not run on it. also the whole standard desktop and layout felt like it belonged on a tablet.

No nay never, no never no more will I use Windows 8.

Isn't Win 8 meant for tablet/phone/touch screen application?
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Zisa on October 09, 2012, 06:32:22 pm
I am not thilled by what I've heard of win h8.

No boot from USB/disc ... you know, on the off chance you want to run a linux disc to fix something, supposedly a 'security feature', but the amount of worry I have of a co-worker booting my HOME PC into some nefarious code is exactly zero.

Blue Screen : now, instead of giving you codes you might have a hope of deciphering, you get some stupid sad face emoticon and the message ' there's a problem'. Maybe you get some notice of what it is after you boot up, makes me wonder what happens when it doesn't.

Maybe my 'concern' is colored by the fact to do simple shit in win 7 requires hours of searching.

example: why the fuck do you think I want goddam text description pop up of icons on my task bar? Yes, I need that to get in my fucking way when I am looking for something in blender (or whatever) that happens to be near the bottom of the screen. Oh post in wondows help? Yay, so I can get some asshole telling me I can not disable it when not running aero(more bloatware), or some random fucktard saying how he likes it because obviously when I ask how to I get rid of it I want some stupid reason to keep it, or some official asshole essentially telling me that yes, every version is desgined to be more complicated and less user friendly then the last.
In the end I expect the working work around to be 'don't pin shit to the taskbar' because it won't fucking turn off the goddam pop-ups, and it is better to have the POS uselessly take up screen space than expect it to be useful in any way.

And the fucking auto maximize when I am moving windows around - what dipshit put that in?

Luckily there are some tools you can get from microsoft (Autoruns) which make getting rid of some of the start up shit easier; why the fuck are the guys who make the useful stuff (these guys) not making the standard stuff.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 09, 2012, 07:22:45 pm
No boot from USB/disc ... you know, on the off chance you want to run a linux disc to fix something, supposedly a 'security feature', but the amount of worry I have of a co-worker booting my HOME PC into some nefarious code is exactly zero.

What do you mean? I just booted my Ubuntu USB and installed it :)
Just press [F12]  wheb the BIOS loads and choose USB-HDD to boot it.
Also i forgot to mention about Win8 is that it has the most stupid boot loader of them all.... Instead of giving you the choice it first boots into Win8 and then asks you if you want to to boot into win7 (yes, it's still unable to recognize/boot other OSs)

BTW, the 12.10 looks cool, think i might upgrade from 12.04 :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: Leshma on October 09, 2012, 09:41:53 pm
Can't use Ubuntu, hate Unity (tried it 3 times so far, no success). Too lazy to install Cinnamon on Ubuntu so I'll probably install Linux Mint.
Title: Re: Windows 8 VS c-RPG
Post by: BD_Baby_Wolf on October 09, 2012, 09:56:39 pm
Can't use Ubuntu, hate Unity (tried it 3 times so far, no success). Too lazy to install Cinnamon on Ubuntu so I'll probably install Linux Mint.

which is Ubuntu :D
have you ever tried Kubuntu?