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Title: Teamhit madness
Post by: Elmuri on September 30, 2012, 01:01:10 pm
Lately I have noticed a huge increase in intentional teamhitting. Quite often some people just randomly starts to teamhit me for no reason. Before this happened like once in a week, but now it can be like once a day. I always ask reason for their behaviour. If they answer the reasons are most ridicculous: I have qml'd their leeching friends, I have stopped to type for few secs=leeching in their opinion (and that makes it right to kick me down from a wall) etc.

The best one was yesterday, when Goku_the_Grey stared at me for a long time, like a madman. Then he started to chase me and swing in the air. He cathed me and teamkilled me. His reason was that I wore a "weeding dress" and I was an easy target. Also I wrote in siege admin -thread that some Crusader randomly turned around while I was following him on ladders and swung me with his giant sword. Then he turned back and carried on, saying nothing.

I don't bother making ban threads anymore, because the effort is too big if they get banned for a day or something and maybe even don't notice it. But I really suggest you hire some more admins. Thank you for your attention.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Wiltzu on September 30, 2012, 01:02:57 pm
Elmuri, I personally try to make a ban thread every time, but keep in mind that some of them might be banner bugs.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Mlekce on September 30, 2012, 01:06:55 pm
ye sometimes i don't see banner over someone. I almoust tk one guy i hit him like 4-5 times and he was wtf man?,and he didn't try to block or fight back,and i was there is something wrong abbout this.
Looked in player list and saw he is in my team.
If you don't see guy banner,if it shows you a player name that is your teammate.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Elmuri on September 30, 2012, 01:28:34 pm
Yeah I know the bug exist, but it's hard to believe someone would think I'm an enemy if he starts hitting right after spawning in battle. Of course some of these occasions might be because of the bug.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Muki on September 30, 2012, 01:56:46 pm
Not a lot of people report stuff in I chat now these days...

If its too much of a hassle to post a request, than we can't really help ya.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Elmuri on September 30, 2012, 02:02:54 pm
Not a lot of people report stuff in I chat now these days...

If its too much of a hassle to post a request, than we can't really help ya.
The current admins are doing excellent job imo (at least in EU), I dont blame them at all. I just wish there was more of them and you could easily tell them to keep an eye on some guys. Maybe this is just a coincidence that this shit has happened to me a lot lately, and there isn't any general increase. I just would like to hear other opinions, if other people have noticed this too. Keep up the good work admins.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: LordBerenger on September 30, 2012, 02:54:18 pm
Not a lot of people report stuff in I chat now these days...

If its too much of a hassle to post a request, than we can't really help ya.

Your new picture you've drawn is great!
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: pepejul on September 30, 2012, 08:32:57 pm
What do you think about PEPE admin ? I play everyday and everynight (I m nolifer), I know the rules, I respect the rules, I love admins, I can be a chocolate chip cookie with pple who doesn't respect the rules....

Mmmmmh... the problem is : I M A TROLL in chat....don't give me the admin powaaaa of pink text.... "the mod will be dead when PEPE is admin"...
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Miley on September 30, 2012, 09:42:04 pm
The team hit is the best hit.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Arathian on October 01, 2012, 12:06:02 am
I will also jump in with the "we have excellent admins, we just need more of them" bandwagon.

Come on chadz, how hard can it be to grab 1-2 more good players to be admins?
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Nihtgenga on October 01, 2012, 01:33:20 am
Lately I have noticed a huge increase in intentional teamhitting. Quite often some people just randomly starts to teamhit me for no reason. Before this happened like once in a week, but now it can be like once a day. I always ask reason for their behaviour. If they answer the reasons are most ridicculous: I have qml'd their leeching friends, I have stopped to type for few secs=leeching in their opinion (and that makes it right to kick me down from a wall) etc.

The best one was yesterday, when Goku_the_Grey stared at me for a long time, like a madman. Then he started to chase me and swing in the air. He cathed me and teamkilled me. His reason was that I wore a "weeding dress" and I was an easy target. Also I wrote in siege admin -thread that some Crusader randomly turned around while I was following him on ladders and swung me with his giant sword. Then he turned back and carried on, saying nothing.

I don't bother making ban threads anymore, because the effort is too big if they get banned for a day or something and maybe even don't notice it. But I really suggest you hire some more admins. Thank you for your attention.

totally agree.
and best part is. some (precisely 2 ;-)) of the handfull of admins dont even bother reacting if you write to them in admin chat.  :?
too lazy to bother complains about teamhitting. dont want to call any names but its getting really annoying. cant do much against it as you you cant see ur admin chat log. but thats just me whining a bit.

MOAR ACTIVE ADMINS
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Haboe on October 01, 2012, 01:42:39 am
Need more admins? Recommend me and ill join the team ^^
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Taser on October 01, 2012, 05:06:28 am
I'll gladly put myself forward as an admin possibility and will abooze my powers greatly to my sole benefit. I won't help out my clanmates unless I like them and they are on my team then I might kick the person sneaking behind them. But its a maybe, its not even a sure thing I'll kick them.

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Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: dorvalis on October 01, 2012, 11:16:32 am
There should be a free for all server 100 people in a tiny map killing madness last man standing would win the round we could call it slaughterhouse mode :D
it wouldn't matter where you hit just HIT something :D
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: karasu on October 01, 2012, 12:13:54 pm
Not a lot of people report stuff in I chat now these days...

If its too much of a hassle to post a request, than we can't really help ya.

Well, people gave up on doing it in EU side, since there are no admins around usually.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Teeth on October 01, 2012, 01:22:38 pm
You can take fine screenshots these days. There is an ingame button to take screenshots, it is displayed on your screen when you get teamhit. A few tactical screens can easily properly describe what was going on. How about you actually provide the admins with some evidence if it happens that much. If you can't be arsed to make a ban request then do not whine about a lack of effort by admins.

Ofcourse saying that you get teamhit using admin chat is not a great way to get the guy punished. An admin would have to be able to actually quickly witness the deed to be able to dish out fair punishment. Otherwise it's just your word on that it happened.

Ctrl-Insert, learn to use it and help the poor admins out.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Elmuri on October 01, 2012, 01:43:18 pm
You can take fine screenshots these days. There is an ingame button to take screenshots, it is displayed on your screen when you get teamhit. A few tactical screens can easily properly describe what was going on. How about you actually provide the admins with some evidence if it happens that much. If you can't be arsed to make a ban request then do not whine about a lack of effort by admins.

Ofcourse saying that you get teamhit using admin chat is not a great way to get the guy punished. An admin would have to be able to actually quickly witness the deed to be able to dish out fair punishment. Otherwise it's just your word on that it happened.

Ctrl-Insert, learn to use it and help the poor admins out.
Learn to read, I said I dont blame admins and I said the reason why I dont make ban threads. It's just natural that admins aren't active all the time, I just hoped that devs would add more of them when old ones go inactive.

Also admin precence on servers would maybe prevent this kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Teeth on October 01, 2012, 03:12:42 pm
A larger admin force won't help against this sort of thing, they cannot watch every player and by the time you typed about it to them, it is probably too late to provide evidence.

Admins should just be more harsh when punishing these types of offenders. Yet making a ban request is not that much work. If I recall correctly admins track earlier offenses by players and will punish him more harshly if it happens again, so it will actually effectively reduce the likelihood of them doing this again.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: _GTX_ on October 01, 2012, 03:16:01 pm
A larger admin force won't help against this sort of thing, they cannot watch every player and by the time you typed about it to them, it is probably too late to provide evidence.

Admins should just be more harsh when punishing these types of offenders. Yet making a ban request is not that much work. If I recall correctly admins track earlier offenses by players and will punish him more harshly if it happens again, so it will actually effectively reduce the likelihood of them doing this again.

More admins--> larger amount of eyes= bigger chance of an instant punishment

Edit:i am aware of that, just saying it does do a difference. Which u said it didnt.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Teeth on October 01, 2012, 03:20:06 pm
More admins--> larger amount of eyes= bigger chance of an instant punishment
The effective difference of 1% chance of them seeing it happen to 1.5% chance is negligible.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 01, 2012, 03:31:22 pm
Reporting people is a waste of time and I got better things to do, more admins would be nice though current admins are pretty useless with their in-game performance.. I see Blueberrymuffin daily, allthough most of the time he doesnt do anything besides use the name CHEAT BAN HE to see if someones leeching( i think), theres this ninja guy, also kicks some people and theres Journeyman, which I think is Gurnisson/backlash? Sir ironlake also sometimes enforce the rules when he sees something All in all i dont even see the use for in-game moderation because its too clusterfuckish to spot offences.. I dont think rules for racism n all that even exist, or our pals dont care for them.

Don't care really, ever since I joined, april, it seemed to me that whenever someone critisizes staff members on their behaviour etc it backfires ^9999999, so not even going to care.
 :lol: it's still a valid point from the op
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: karasu on October 01, 2012, 03:41:13 pm
Reporting people is a waste of time and I got better things to do, more admins would be nice though current admins are pretty useless with their in-game performance.. I see Blueberrymuffin daily, allthough most of the time he doesnt do anything besides use the name CHEAT BAN HE to see if someones leeching( i think), theres this ninja guy, also kicks some people and theres Journeyman, which I think is Gurnisson/backlash? Sir ironlake also sometimes enforce the rules when he sees something All in all i dont even see the use for in-game moderation because its too clusterfuckish to spot offences.. I dont think rules for racism n all that even exist, or our pals dont care for them.

Don't care really, ever since I joined, april, it seemed to me that whenever someone critisizes staff members on their behaviour etc it backfires ^9999999, so not even going to care.
 :lol: it's still a valid point from the op

And you're talking about battle, you can imagine how Siege is.  :lol:
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: karasu on October 01, 2012, 03:48:35 pm
A larger admin force won't help against this sort of thing, they cannot watch every player and by the time you typed about it to them, it is probably too late to provide evidence.



   A game admin takes note of whom commits these "sins", and even goes to spectator if needed to check ones behavior. Every single report should count until proven obsolete/false.

   Sadly our admins cba to do that anymore, all they want is a bit of peace of mind while playing after a long day, some of them even parting with that duty (lansa p.e.) which I completely understand, the more the reason to get more players that actually care about the mod and can do it willingly abiding by conduct rules.

   Too much anarchy these days, people that want some peace and quality time playing find themselves usually surrounded by this idiocratic environment in-game, leaving them no choice but to quit and play something else eventually.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 01, 2012, 04:36:35 pm
And you're talking about battle, you can imagine how Siege is.  :lol:
never on siege, only if some fallens are playing there so i have very little experience on siege.. Although it sounds more logical that teamhits occur more ftenon siege, because of the clusterfucks and narrow entrance points people have to defend. But not the kind of TH's the OP stated..
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Jarlek on October 01, 2012, 04:41:40 pm
never on siege, only if some fallens are playing there so i have very little experience on siege.. Although it sounds more logical that teamhits occur more ftenon siege, because of the clusterfucks and narrow entrance points people have to defend. But not the kind of TH's the OP stated..
Way more intentional teamhits on siege, griefers and leechers.

Accidental th's is a different matter.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: karasu on October 01, 2012, 05:08:13 pm
never on siege, only if some fallens are playing there so i have very little experience on siege.. Although it sounds more logical that teamhits occur more ftenon siege, because of the clusterfucks and narrow entrance points people have to defend. But not the kind of TH's the OP stated..

Read again the op. He was talking about Siege. Then again how can you affirm something like that in the end when you firsthand you have nearly no experience in siege?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 01, 2012, 05:21:37 pm
Read again the op. He was talking about Siege. Then again how can you affirm something like that in the end when you firsthand you have nearly no experience in siege?  :rolleyes:
in clusterfucks I can imagine teamhits happening but as the op explained the situations of the teamhits I totally agree with him. (i meant shit like goku chasing him etc.)
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Haboe on October 01, 2012, 06:21:24 pm
Learn to read, I said I dont blame admins and I said the reason why I dont make ban threads. It's just natural that admins aren't active all the time, I just hoped that devs would add more of them when old ones go inactive.

Also admin precence on servers would maybe prevent this kind of stuff.
More admins--> larger amount of eyes= bigger chance of an instant punishment

Edit:i am aware of that, just saying it does do a difference. Which u said it didnt.

Want more admins? Request for more. If you gain enough support it might get through.

There are a lot of players, that just like me, would love to help the community by becoming an admin.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 01, 2012, 06:26:35 pm
Want more admins? Request for more. If you gain enough support it might get through.

There are a lot of players, that just like me, would love to help the community by becoming an admin.
chadz make this man admin, he is desperate to waste his own time without asking somethings in return! #profit
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Haboe on October 01, 2012, 06:32:25 pm
chadz make this man admin, he is desperate to waste his own time without asking somethings in return! #profit

Being an admin isnt wasting your time without something in return.
If not for the admins the servers would be a big teamkilling ragefest. The time you spend as an admin allows you and other players to enjoy the game without players exploiting, abusing and teamkilling.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 01, 2012, 06:35:43 pm
Being an admin isnt wasting your time without something in return.
If not for the admins the servers would be a big teamkilling ragefest. The time you spend as an admin allows you and other players to enjoy the game without players exploiting, abusing and teamkilling.
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Chill, i know that man. :P
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Haboe on October 01, 2012, 06:39:41 pm
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Chill, i know that man. :P

I know, im only sucking up to the big man  :twisted:

Nah, i mean it.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 01, 2012, 06:41:45 pm
I know, im only sucking up to the big man  :twisted:

Nah, i mean it.
i see i see, clever man.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Teeth on October 01, 2012, 06:43:21 pm
chadz make this man admin, he is desperate to waste his own time without asking somethings in return! #profit
He wants power!
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 01, 2012, 07:05:56 pm
He wants power!
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Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Haboe on October 01, 2012, 07:17:32 pm
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Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on October 01, 2012, 09:19:34 pm
tbh I think this is just the usual qq. People teamhit, very few on purpose. Some people bother and get angry, some not and enjoy the game.


Of course more admins present is a good thing in general.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Kafein on October 01, 2012, 09:24:47 pm
I drank soup that was too hot and now my tongue hurts.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Elmuri on October 01, 2012, 09:29:07 pm
tbh I think this is just the usual qq. People teamhit, very few on purpose. Some people bother and get angry, some not and enjoy the game.


Of course more admins present is a good thing in general.
I think I can tell the difference beteen intentional and non-intentional teamhitting. I never rage about non,-intentional (unless is really, really awkward). Actually, I never really rage, feel just a bit sad and forgive quickly :) I think I'm Jesus and Buddha combined.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Riddaren on October 01, 2012, 09:54:35 pm
But I really suggest you hire some more admins. Thank you for your attention.

That would be the best.
It's quite weird that there are so few admins even though most of us know each other since several months and ever years.
I could make a list of 100 players I would trust being admins and so could most of us, probably.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Haboe on October 01, 2012, 10:03:32 pm
I could make a list of 100 players I would trust being admins and so could most of us, probably.

Please do so :)

Nah, but another admin recruitment would be cool, just as before, anyone can apply, the community votes for who they want to see in the position of admin.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 01, 2012, 11:28:20 pm
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Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Lansamur on October 01, 2012, 11:46:15 pm
Haven't felt an increase in intentional THs lately, but definitely in stupid unintentional ones.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on October 02, 2012, 12:45:10 pm
I think I can tell the difference beteen intentional and non-intentional teamhitting. I never rage about non,-intentional (unless is really, really awkward). Actually, I never really rage, feel just a bit sad and forgive quickly :) I think I'm Jesus and Buddha combined.
ok, I believe you. It is just strange that there is allways so much complain about th and I rarely have an issue with it.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: dreadnok on October 02, 2012, 01:27:23 pm
half these motherfuckers should switch to cleaver. that will stop it. and archers should be kicked for shooting like jerkoffs instantly
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Sagar on October 02, 2012, 02:56:59 pm
Turn off manual report. Make it auto and after 5 team-hits 10 min auto-ban.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 02, 2012, 03:04:39 pm
Turn off manual report. Make it auto and after 5 team-hits 10 min auto-ban.
nou
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Fartface on October 02, 2012, 03:14:23 pm
Am I the only one that doesn´t care about teamhits?
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on October 02, 2012, 03:14:27 pm
nou

is this a no or now?..

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Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 02, 2012, 03:30:32 pm
is this a no or now?..

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It is a no!  :lol:
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 02, 2012, 03:31:05 pm
Am I the only one that doesn´t care about teamhits?
your str crrutching negates it, man!
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Nessaj on October 02, 2012, 04:59:16 pm
There's a reason for the 0/5 team hit counter and everyone should use it way more (because it announces the TD to everyone, including any potential admins on the server).
Plenty of people report team damage to the ban section where they post screenshots of the TD without them having clicked M a single time ingame.

(The M function should though IMO have its wording changed to 'Do you wish to penalize X for Team Damage/Hit' instead of whether one think it was on purpose or not).

If someone team hits you should click M as much as possible, if you have a screenshot of someone hitting you 3 times within a very short time - and you could only click M on the first and second due to the speed - it is much easier to see that the TD was intended and not by accident. Every time someone requests a ban on a player I check out the accuseds account first, whether or not they had any prior bans, if not, they'll usually either get a short ban or a simple warning depending on the case.

Repeat offenders gets punished extremely hard, but that requires people to report these incidents to build up the database.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: karasu on October 02, 2012, 05:43:11 pm
   You know better than anyone cooties, that 8 out 10 team hits end up being instantly reported, whether it was on propose or casual, simply because the community has a shitty mentality.

If things would be so easy..
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Haboe on October 02, 2012, 05:43:47 pm
Report once, and you get a "fuck you, you deserved it for being a reporting my old friend" at your face.
Don't really care about that, but its not really motivating to press M nowadays  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: karasu on October 02, 2012, 05:45:00 pm
As I said, shitty mentality. :rolleyes:

How do you beat such mentality? With in sittu control.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Haboe on October 02, 2012, 05:55:36 pm
Undercover admins  8-)
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2012, 06:24:25 pm
   You know better than anyone cooties, that 8 out 10 team hits end up being instantly reported, whether it was on propose or casual, simply because the community has a shitty mentality.

If things would be so easy..

Maybe that's just EU.  Most people on NA are relatively common sense about pressing M.  If it's an accident, especially if someone's trying to help you or being a team player, you just ignore it.  That's my experience when I team wound/team kill, and when people team wound/team kill me.  95% of the time I don't press M.  And at least 80-90% of the time I team wound, people don't press M on me.  There's some people who just always press M no matter what, and there's times where I clearly took more risk than I should have, and ended up recklessly hitting a teammate, in that instance I full expect to have someone "M" me, and I'm not including it in my numbers.

It's war, sometimes friendlies get hit.  You do your best not to, but it's war. 
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Haboe on October 02, 2012, 06:29:46 pm
Maybe that's just EU.  Most people on NA are relatively common sense about pressing M.  If it's an accident, especially if someone's trying to help you or being a team player, you just ignore it.  That's my experience when I team wound/team kill, and when people team wound/team kill me.  95% of the time I don't press M.  And at least 80-90% of the time I team wound, people don't press M on me.  There's some people who just always press M no matter what, and there's times where I clearly took more risk than I should have, and ended up recklessly hitting a teammate, in that instance I full expect to have someone "M" me, and I'm not including it in my numbers.

It's war, sometimes friendlies get hit.  You do your best not to, but it's war.

Last time i teamhitted someone as an archer (by accident) without shooting in a melee fight, i was shooting an xbower much further, he came back, killed me with multiple hits and told me to fuck off and learn to aim. For the sake of diplomatic reasons i didnt make a banrequest, but i did tell admins. But late respons so no kick.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on October 02, 2012, 07:19:42 pm
Last time i teamhitted someone as an archer (by accident) without shooting in a melee fight, i was shooting an xbower much further, he came back, killed me with multiple hits and told me to fuck off and learn to aim. For the sake of diplomatic reasons i didnt make a banrequest, but i did tell admins. But late respons so no kick.

That's one person, and I'm guessing on EU, not NA.  One person doing something out of 500-1000 active players is not much of a pattern.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Taser on October 02, 2012, 08:23:22 pm
Maybe that's just EU.  Most people on NA are relatively common sense about pressing M.  If it's an accident, especially if someone's trying to help you or being a team player, you just ignore it.  That's my experience when I team wound/team kill, and when people team wound/team kill me.  95% of the time I don't press M.  And at least 80-90% of the time I team wound, people don't press M on me.  There's some people who just always press M no matter what, and there's times where I clearly took more risk than I should have, and ended up recklessly hitting a teammate, in that instance I full expect to have someone "M" me, and I'm not including it in my numbers.

It's war, sometimes friendlies get hit.  You do your best not to, but it's war.

This.

Most people I deal with on NA don't report because they realize accidents happen. I never report if I know its an accident and 99% of the time its an accident. If it looks like they meant it, I report. I've pressed m maybe... twice since it was introduced.
Title: Re: Teamhit madness
Post by: Siiem on October 02, 2012, 08:46:43 pm
when Goku_the_Grey stared at me for a long time, like a madman. Then he started to chase me and swing in the air. He cathed me and teamkilled me. His reason was that I wore a "weeding dress" and I was an easy target.

 :lol: priceless.