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Title: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Adrian on September 25, 2012, 01:25:22 am
So according to the dev/admin team ALL LOOMS are of the same exact value of one another.

Despite the obvious supply and demand and over abundance of certain items such as Danish Greatswords or Arbalests. Obviously these items have now been rendered worthless, barely pulling 2 loom points and maybe a little gold.

So just wanted to give everyone a heads up that all +3 items are worth the EXACT SAME IN MARKET VALUE and that I also expect to receive some very good items for my MW Danish for which I have unfortunately come to possess.

I expect to see it sold within the next 5 days for 2 loom points and a lot of gold or a MW item of pretty much my choosing thanks!

Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: cmp on September 25, 2012, 01:28:12 am
After the buff to the Danish Greatsword in next week's patch, people will regret not having bought one when it was cheap.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: TurmoilTom on September 25, 2012, 01:30:40 am
Quote from: cmpxchg8b on September 25, 2012, 01:28:12 am
After the buff to the Danish Greatsword in next week's patch, people will regret not having bought one when it was cheap.

Interesting news... Now, where'd I put my hemlock...
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Turboflex on September 25, 2012, 01:30:53 am
wtb danish offering 1.5 million gold
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: agile on September 25, 2012, 01:32:27 am
cool story bro
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Adrian on September 25, 2012, 01:38:37 am
Quote from: Turboflex on September 25, 2012, 01:30:53 am
wtb danish offering 1.5 million gold

I'll have it up ready and waiting for your money :)
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Leshma on September 25, 2012, 01:40:52 am
Nerf cav
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: TugBoat on September 25, 2012, 01:48:27 am
Want to trade my +3 Stones for a +3 Great Sword please.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Son Of Odin on September 25, 2012, 01:52:09 am
Quote from: Adrian on September 25, 2012, 01:25:22 am
So just wanted to give everyone a heads up that all +3 items are worth the EXACT SAME IN MARKET VALUE
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Not sure if I should move this thread to spam considering you are doing market stuff in general discussion... Meh... I'm lazy and cmp needs renown to beat Tears in the most respected list...
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Adrian on September 25, 2012, 01:57:40 am
No spam here, just educating people on how the devs think
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Dan lol on September 25, 2012, 02:00:03 am
I dont even understand what you are whining about
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Son Of Odin on September 25, 2012, 02:12:28 am
Quote from: Adrian on September 25, 2012, 01:57:40 am
No spam here, just educating people on how the devs think
Maybe provide us some source instead of just writing whatever crap you came up with?

Start from here.
Quote from: Adrian on September 25, 2012, 01:25:22 am
So according to the dev/admin team ALL LOOMS are of the same exact value of one another.
What makes you think devs say they are the exact same market value? Do you think +3 practice dagger equals +3 german poleaxe? Clearly I've missed something. Enlighten me.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Tagora on September 25, 2012, 02:28:28 am
How dare you use the general discussion forum to talk about crpg, KID

 /endmoderator
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Son Of Odin on September 25, 2012, 02:32:24 am
Quote from: Tagora on September 25, 2012, 02:28:28 am
How dare you use the general discussion forum to talk about crpg, KID

 /endmoderator
Yeh while advertising his looms and throwing accusations without anything to base them upon... Really productive thread I must admit.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Haboe on September 25, 2012, 02:36:31 am
Quote from: Leshma on September 25, 2012, 01:40:52 am
Nerf cav

Omg for some reason i started lauching so fcking hard after reading this.

But guy is pissed because he bought a lower value loom and blaims devs for it.

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Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Tom Cruise on September 25, 2012, 02:52:23 am
Quote from: cmpxchg8b on September 25, 2012, 01:28:12 am
After the buff to the Danish Greatsword in next week's patch, people will regret not having bought one when it was cheap.

Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Oberyn on September 25, 2012, 06:16:36 am
Speaking as a time investment, all looms ARE equal to one another. Looming a Danish GS doesn't take any more time or effort than looming a practice dagger. Of course their real worth on the market will be affected by different factors, such as scarcity, utility and popularity.
So I'm not quite sure what you're whining about here. Did you go to irc and cry that your loomed weapon isn't worth as much as others, and some dev trolled you?
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Arrowblood on September 25, 2012, 07:18:55 am
Quote from: mmason94 on September 25, 2012, 02:52:23 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s&feature=player_detailpage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s&feature=player_detailpage)
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Tibe on September 25, 2012, 07:19:16 am
Pfffffffffft a MW Danish? Even my cat has one. Would pay like 500k max for it. Next thing you wanna convince us in is that kuyak is rare. Please.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on September 25, 2012, 07:30:28 am
Give all these worthless Arbalests to me. And the swords. Bolts are welcome too.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Spanish on September 25, 2012, 07:38:15 am
Noticed all the cool kids type in colored chat and this thread is complicated
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Vibe on September 25, 2012, 11:43:19 am
It is time for the evil capitalism to come to it's end. Time for communism is here.

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Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Arathian on September 25, 2012, 11:49:23 am
Well, if a mod DID say what the OP wrote...in all fairness, he probably should have concetrated more on the supply and demand lesson and less on Sally's tits during the class ;)
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Ptolemy on September 25, 2012, 02:00:05 pm
Quote from: TugBoat on September 25, 2012, 01:48:27 am
Want to trade my +3 Stones for a +3 Great Sword please.

I want +3 stones... nothing to trade for them though. Sad panda is me.  :(
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: sF_Guardian on September 25, 2012, 02:06:05 pm
I take this as irony my dear :)
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Leshma on September 25, 2012, 02:20:54 pm
Quote from: Ptolemy on September 25, 2012, 02:00:05 pm
I want +3 stones... nothing to trade for them though. Sad panda is me.  :(

Had those. Stones suck, +3 or not.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: sF_Guardian on September 25, 2012, 02:23:01 pm
Quote from: Leshma on September 25, 2012, 02:20:54 pm
Had those. Stones suck, +3 or not.

Can`t you say something dramatically brainless? Your R/I ratio gets outta control  :cry:
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Meow on September 25, 2012, 03:16:58 pm
It was about a trade he did on accident, HBS for Danish.
I told him that I would consult other admins and ask about the pricing on those items since I have no idea about the marketvalue of stuff.
Later after reviewing the one market rule we got I figured that the trade is nothing I would reverse.

I told him that I will talk to the guy anyway since the market rule does not apply to trades where equal level looms get traded for each other but only for cases where people forget a 0 in their gold value or trade a +3 for a lower level heirloom because they failed.

When I got up this morning the dude who accepted the trade reported this great PM to me, just educating everyone on how the guy approached the situation without hearing back from me:
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So I told him that I sure won't try to convince the new owner of the HBS to trade it back any further which probably was the reason for this thread and the PM where he called me a liar because I did not talk to other admins about the HBS vs Danish price.
Admittedly there was only one other admin involved in the IRC talks on this but I used the main chan since I didn't see a reason why admins could judge item value any better than other players.
Not that he bothered to ask who I talked to anyhow before declaring it a lie.

Hardly matters since the rule does not apply one way or the other and I sure won't look into this any further.

EDITED to make the context a bit clearer.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Leshma on September 25, 2012, 04:37:35 pm
Quote from: Meow on September 25, 2012, 03:16:58 pm
I told him that I would consult other admins and ask about the pricing on those items since I have no idea about the marketvalue of stuff.

Maybe I'm not playing but I'm still active on forums :wink:

Or you could ask Angellore, he's good with market prices, scamming and other market related stuff :mrgreen:
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 25, 2012, 05:32:59 pm
Adrian sounds very upset.  How do you accidentally trade an item?  My guess is that he traded it because he wanted it, and then saw the prices on the market were oversaturated for the item (realy a danish great sword has a lower value than an item 95% of a class DOESN'T use)?  Color me shocked. 

Supply and Demand baby.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Kafein on September 25, 2012, 05:36:33 pm
Quote from: cmpxchg8b on September 25, 2012, 01:28:12 am
After the buff to the Danish Greatsword in next week's patch, people will regret not having bought one when it was cheap.

Expert analysis crashing the market like a pro.



Also, I don't get the point of the OP, all looms have different values and nobody ever said otherwise, wtf. Gonna - it anyway, guy's an archer enthusiast who needs to be tortured by holy - fire.


EDIT : ok

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So much win.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: dreadnok on September 25, 2012, 10:34:26 pm
i messed up trading a shield. i put 100k instead of 1 million. the guy was nice about and it ended when meow reveresed the trade. but put an item up for an item and then complaining cause someone in your clan said you messed up is just silly slash eortification
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Son Of Odin on September 25, 2012, 10:49:51 pm
Hmm the lesson of today:

All the looms are of the same value if you happen to be a dick.

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Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Dan lol on September 25, 2012, 11:52:43 pm
Quote from: Meow on September 25, 2012, 03:16:58 pm
It was about a trade he did on accident, HBS for Danish.
I told him that I would consult other admins and ask about the pricing on those items since I have no idea about the marketvalue of stuff.
Later after reviewing the one market rule we got I figured that the trade is nothing I would reverse.

I told him that I will talk to the guy anyway since the market rule does not apply to trades where equal level looms get traded for each other but only for cases where people forget a 0 in their gold value or trade a +3 for a lower level heirloom because they failed.

When I got up this morning the dude who accepted the trade reported this great PM to me, just educating everyone on how the guy approached the situation without hearing back from me:
(click to show/hide)

So I told him that I sure won't try to convince the new owner of the HBS to trade it back any further which probably was the reason for this thread and the PM where he called me a liar because I did not talk to other admins about the HBS vs Danish price.
Admittedly there was only one other admin involved in the IRC talks on this but I used the main chan since I didn't see a reason why admins could judge item value any better than other players.
Not that he bothered to ask who I talked to anyhow before declaring it a lie.

Hardly matters since the rule does not apply one way or the other and I sure won't look into this any further.

EDITED to make the context a bit clearer.

The moral of the story is even if you are a pretty man in a three piece suit irl you can still be a mad nerd on the internet
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Leshma on September 26, 2012, 12:09:40 am
Quote from: dreadnok on September 25, 2012, 10:34:26 pm
i messed up trading a shield. i put 100k instead of 1 million. the guy was nice about and it ended when meow reveresed the trade. but put an item up for an item and then complaining cause someone in your clan said you messed up is just silly slash eortification

I did a similar thing but dude didn't give a fuck and there was no marketplace rule back then. This is even worse than Bjord complaining about market tax after he sold +3 for over the price of 3 separate loompoints :mrgreen:

Btw. I should be complaining here because I accidentally put 300k gold in clan bank and now when I want them back I have to pay tax. Now that's bullshit!
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: HardRice on September 26, 2012, 12:20:59 am
I've had a +3.

Once.

I sold it and gave the gold to a clan bank.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Kafein on September 26, 2012, 12:22:11 am
Quote from: Leshma on September 26, 2012, 12:09:40 am
Btw. I should be complaining here because I accidentally put 300k gold in clan bank and now when I want them back I have to pay tax. Now that's bullshit!

All that gold, so close yet distant  :lol:
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Leshma on September 26, 2012, 12:27:32 am
I don't have problem paying tax for gold you've put in there, but it hurts paying for stupid mistake I did trying to take gold from bank instead of putting it in...

But then again, I'm rich player. I should be lucky I'm paying same tax as everyone else, instead of 40% or something like that.

If this was communism, everything I own would become public good and everyone would own a small part of that. Then, 40 years later, my grandchildren will try to get it back from new cRPG democratic government :mrgreen:
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Kafein on September 26, 2012, 12:31:55 am
Quote from: Leshma on September 26, 2012, 12:27:32 am
I don't have problem paying tax for gold you've put in there, but it hurts paying for stupid mistake I did trying to take gold from bank instead of putting it in...

But then again, I'm rich player. I should be lucky I'm paying same tax as everyone else, instead of 40% or something like that.

If this was communism, everything I own would become public good and everyone would own a small part of that. Then, 40 years later, my grandchildren will try to get it back from new cRPG democratic government :mrgreen:

I'm 1/8 of a russian noble family that fled the revolution.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Tagora on September 26, 2012, 01:26:05 am
This thread is now about gang wars.

310 CRIPS HOLLA
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Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: SixThumbs on September 26, 2012, 03:00:33 am
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Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Gurnisson on September 26, 2012, 03:09:05 am
I traded my +3 war horse for a +3 shield earlier today by mistake, I thought I was trading my arabian warhorse. I've also traded a +3 war cleaver and 700 k for +3 steel bolts by mistake (instead of a +1 cleaver, thanks angellore for returning it straight away :wink:). On the other hand, I bought Vincent Ruth's heirloom point for 600 gold, and gave it back right after for stones. That damn Vincent owes me 599 gold now :evil:

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Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: TurmoilTom on September 26, 2012, 03:12:20 am
Actually, Gurnisson, stones cost 2 gold, so he only owes you 598 gold. That's a whole gold coin less! :D
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Joker86 on September 26, 2012, 03:16:35 am
1. All loom POINTS are of the same value
2. Value and price are different things
3. When looming an item you turn the loom point to something different
4. This different thing, the loomed item, now has both a value and a price. Those things are not the same in almost any case, and the BASIC value also changes according to the usefulness of the item. As a pickaxe is better in almost any aspect than a cudgel, looming a cudgel lowers the value you have, in ANY case.
5. Prices are also determined by other factors like supply and demand, popularity, looks, etc.

In simple: you and your work mate earn the same salary. After a month both of you earn the same wage, which means you have the same value. He invests all of it into real estates, you invest all of it into used toilet paper. Although you were able to buy several tons of it, your wealth was reduced with that really bad purchase, while his wealth stayed the same. Having paid the same price for both things doesn't mean they have the same value.

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Just implement an automatic "trust" function. Once a trade has been confirmed, the trading goods are "frozen" for 24h. Within this time each trading partner can cancel the deal again and get his items back, as does the other one, of course. 90% of all problems with the marketplace solved. You're welcome.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Gurnisson on September 26, 2012, 03:17:43 am
Quote from: TurmoilTom on September 26, 2012, 03:12:20 am
Actually, Gurnisson, stones cost 2 gold, so he only owes you 598 gold. That's a whole gold coin less! :D

Selling them on the marketplace gave me 1 gold. I want 599, not 598!

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Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: TurmoilTom on September 26, 2012, 03:19:57 am
Quote from: Gurnisson on September 26, 2012, 03:17:43 am
Selling them on the marketplace gave me 1 gold. I want 599, not 598!

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Ah, I see.

That's some pretty hefty interest, by the way. How long has the dude been holdin' out on ya?
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Gurnisson on September 26, 2012, 03:35:25 am
My memory was weak. He actually owed me 624 gold before almost 4 months of interest. :shock:

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Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Dexxtaa on September 26, 2012, 07:38:46 am
Pretty sure this thread gave me cancer.
Title: Re: All Looms Are of the SAME VALUE
Post by: Phew on September 26, 2012, 06:54:50 pm
Has anyone been gathering all the trade data to estimate the "real" value of loomed items? Obviously you'd have to throw out obvious trades between alts/friends (a +3 for stone, etc). Could be an interesting tool. Although, an item's worth is always what someone is willing to pay for it at that instant, which varies from day to day.