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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: PanPan on September 18, 2012, 03:41:56 pm
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I wonder why everyone hates HA's. I tried HAing and it's really UP. The accuracy is shit, the damage well erm low and you're a target for everyone.
Horse Archery is annoying I know but you need to see that if they hit u they do mostly low damage. If I finally hit somebody with an Arrow I want it to do damage atleast.
And I wonder how A bow does less damage on horse than on foot.
Like I headshot somebody from a horseback and it doesnt kill him but If I would headshot the same guy on foot he would die in 1 hit or take more damage than from a horseback.
The shitty accuracy could stay but that low damage on horse back hm. Its like losing 2 PD when mounting a horse...
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That is because it used to be OP.
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That is because it used to be OP.
K. So now should it be UP?
Thats stupid. or atleast not a that big damage nerf on horse :/
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That is because it used to be OP.
Yeah like almost two years ago now ;p
People keep bitching about HA until they try it basicly ;]
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Yeah like almost two years ago now ;p
People keep bitching about HA until they try it basicly ;]
Yeah HAing was OP. I was even bitching about it :O
I tried it and now I see. It sux.
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2 years yall say, so does that mean it was OP during the mad high level no wpf limit time? I wasnt around last year or even half a year ago.
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I have a HA alt - I find it neither OP or UP. The accuracy is fine and the damage is acceptable. For getting high scores, the HA is actually a really viable build - and since high scores means you're doing damage all around the enemy team, it's a good support class.
I'm tired of people crying either way, HA is balanced - if annoying when they run away all map.
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I have a HA alt - I find it neither OP or UP. The accuracy is fine and the damage is acceptable. For getting high scores, the HA is actually a really viable build - and since high scores means you're doing damage all around the enemy team, it's a good support class.
I'm tired of people crying either way, HA is balanced - if annoying when they run away all map.
Score making damage? U can bounce of or do very little damage and u get score...
And well 4 shooting an Archer with MW horn bow and +2 bodkins hm...
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Because it is UP, only the people that are dedicated to HA are still playing it. Because they play it a lot they tend to be pretty good, and as such you mostly see noobs that rage spec out of it and good HAs. Atleast that is how it is on NA.
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With a +0 yumi and +0 tatars I do fine.
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With a +0 yumi and +0 tatars I do fine.
Then I probably just suck.
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It's HAs. Ur strength is in tactical advantage not damage.
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It's HAs. Ur strength is in tactical advantage not damage.
Nearly every class can have that advantage, depends on maps sometimes though.
Most people are just too stupid to play like that.
When I play my HA-Alt there are sometimes 3 guys running behind me, trying to get me, then I kill them after a while and they bitch about it.
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2 years yall say, so does that mean it was OP during the mad high level no wpf limit time? I wasnt around last year or even half a year ago.
yeah when guys like Cris were riding mamluke horse in some red plate armor having 200+ wpf, it was surely op back than ;]
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yeah when guys like Cris were riding mamluke horse in some red plate armor having 200+ wpf, it was surely op back than ;]
buff it!
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HA is like every class, if it is played by skilled player it is OP and if it is played by some less skilled player than not many people QQ about it
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HA is like every class, if it is played by skilled player it is OP and if it is played by some less skilled player than not many people QQ about it
You may be right. But It's like the only class I suck really bad in.
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I once shot atleast 8 arrows in some dorfbauer dude, didnt even sctratch him.
Bodkins btw..
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I once shot atleast 8 arrows in some dorfbauer dude, didnt even sctratch him.
Bodkins btw..
Happens all the time to me today I headshoted a guy and hitted 3 bodkins more in his body. Just to see a cav bumping and stabbing him from behind :(
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I havent played HA and probably never will but I can tell that everytime one hits me, even with my low armor I lose just about 20 - 30% HP. As low as their damage might be, HA/HX is pretty much the only thing that can keep an archer like me busy from focusing my fire on enemy inf/cav.
The fact that friendly inf cant get them, friendly cav probably wont get them either and that you cant run away from them, engaging HA/HX first is mandatory as ranged or they will get you sooner or later. They can do an excellent job at harassing enemy ranged and if done correctly are capable of saving their unshielded teammates from being shot to pieces. From an external point of view I have to say though that they are granted little room for errors and are easily dehorsed/killed if they dont know how to dodge or how to use the map layout to their advantage.
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I mostly cant kill an Archer cus of the accuracy and when the Archer has high athletics I wont be able to bump him and then shoot him.
Mostly Archers kill me :(
But yeah I can keep em busy for a bit :D
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Because it is UP, only the people that are dedicated to HA are still playing it. Because they play it a lot they tend to be pretty good, and as such you mostly see noobs that rage spec out of it and good HAs. Atleast that is how it is on NA.
What? Murchad is the only decent HA and even he is stupid to keep at it. He is so much better than that class lets him be that its ridiculous :rolleyes:
I havent played HA and probably never will but I can tell that everytime one hits me, even with my low armor I lose just about 20 - 30% HP. As low as their damage might be, HA/HX is pretty much the only thing that can keep an archer like me busy from focusing my fire on enemy inf/cav.
Even putting HX in the same sentence with HA shows just how ignorant you are of these classes, making your statement about losing 20-30% hp from a HA shot as dependable as a crack whore holding your wallet.
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What? Murchad is the only decent HA and even he is stupid to keep at it. He is so much better than that class lets him be that its ridiculous :rolleyes:
Duke_Of_Disco_ATS, Mongorian_ATS, whatever his name is now.. that dude is really good at the class, probably the best regular HA on NA, though he doesn't play very much. He would get tons of kills every map. If Rohypnol specced into HA he'd probably perform just as well as he does as HX, its lower damage but the accuracy is the same and has a higher rate of fire. This makes it really good for shutting down HX's or ranged players.
I did a gen or two as HA, and its really not that bad. Its just difficult and takes some practice to effectively lead your shots. Eventually they are gonna add in momentum of your horse affecting damage you do with mounted ranged weapons, which will buff the class.
You should focus on suppressing light cav and harassing other ranged classes with a maneuverable horse like an Arabian. This lets you juke enemy cav and ranged very effectively while letting you slow down when necessary to get the best accuracy, but generally you need to stay moving so you don't get lanced or shot.
If you are using a horn bow and tatar or especially bodkin arrows you are hitting pretty hard trust me, unless they are heavy armor with high IF. The class simply isn't that strong against heavy infantry and cav, but is great against lightly armored horses and players and the horse lets you choose who you fight. Just get good at leading your shots, juking ranged, and killing as many horses as possible. Once you get better aim, you will be able to shoot the rider pretty easily and you will shut cav players down hard.
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I regularly survive HA headshots...
Buff all (including HX and HT) mounted ranged, it's UP as fuck.
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I regularly survive HA headshots...
Buff all (including HX and HT) mounted ranged, it's UP as fuck.
Dieng by HX in 1hit they don't lose any damage on Horse like Archers do...
But in the other points I agree with you.
its lower damage but the accuracy is the same and has a higher rate of fire
Is it rly same accuracy? Well when I was HX it was pindot with a very dedicated build :rolleyes:
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HA is effective at being annoying, but they deal so little damage i usually put my shield down and try to charge the since an arrow usually only does about 5% of my health ^^
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something is wrong when horse crossbow is better then horse archery.
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Dieng by HX in 1hit they don't lose any damage on Horse like Archers do...
You're crazy, I've been riding fullspeed at HXs and still come out with over half my HP left while playing on NA which is filled with them, normally HAs will have me end up on far lower HP, admittedly I've never played a HX 'cept a few times on siege with an arbalest and 0wpf on my main.
From my observations though HX is at best slightly better than horsearchery, they both need buffs, maybe HA more than HX but still, one half decent ground archer and both the two best HA/HX are dehorsed.
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It's a delicate situation. Ranged players from horseback are pretty much the only ones that can stay completely out of harms if they want to, while still dishing out some damage. Yes, they're weak, maybe too weak (depends if they have looms or not, major difference), but buff them too much and you'll get hell.
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It's a delicate situation. Ranged players from horseback are pretty much the only ones that can stay completely out of harms if they want to, while still dishing out some damage. Yes, they're weak, maybe too weak (depends if they have looms or not, major difference), but buff them too much and you'll get hell.
Ranged players on the ground can pretty much already do it 'cept they get a tiny amount less speed in exchange for a bunch of of other buffs.
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even though HA has a better rate of fire, horse crossbow deals much more damage negating the HA's advantage
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If used properly, a HA can chain bump damage and bow damage to easily do more and to keep someone more occupied than a HX could.
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even though HA has a better rate of fire, horse crossbow deals much more damage negating the HA's advantage
But a good HA will never lose against a HX
HX is better at taking out infantry
HA is better at taking out archers and mounted ranged players
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HA in reality was one of the best ways to fight (Mongolian empire).
Unfortunately the game doesnt reflect this in the slightest. The fact that you sit at a very high level for a very long time doesnt help, it is one of those classes that should be useless unless level 29+ the problem being that you spend most of your time there anyway. So it go nerfed and nerfed and nerfed.
Now i would only go HA with a 9/30 or 6/33 build just so that if i got dehorsed I could kite and outpace my opposition (maybe escape). atm horse death is super quick and the advantages closer to disadvantages.
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Duke_Of_Disco_ATS, Mongorian_ATS, whatever his name is now.. that dude is really good at the class, probably the best regular HA on NA, though he doesn't play very much. He would get tons of kills every map. If Rohypnol specced into HA he'd probably perform just as well as he does as HX, its lower damage but the accuracy is the same and has a higher rate of fire. This makes it really good for shutting down HX's or ranged players.
Umm yeah....no offense to you or those guys, but I play all the time and I shoot horses and the people on them. They aren't a threat. Murchad is the only HA who is and its because he has played for a couple years. In fact, I'll take on any 2 HA's against GrannPappy on the ground in a best 3 of 5 if you think HA isn't UP.
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HA is a great support class and you can do alot for your team. Much of this support can be made with shitty damage and accuracy like dehorsing enemy cav. Alot can even be made without shooting like taunting them to chase you around, have archers focusing on you instead of your teams and so on. If you play alone as a HA it takes alot of experience to be somewhat effective and you need to be one of those above average players to do well. To be one of the heros of the team as a HA you need to be outstanding. It also depends on what you try to achieve I guess. Staying out of harms way shooting at random ppl just to get high score or hunting peasants for kills is probably easy but you're not helping your team that much.
However just like archer squads are easier to coordinate in focusing on one target compared to melee squads, groups of HAs have an easier time than melee cav. And since cav is more maneuverable than inf, cav has an easier time choosing its fights or in military terms, seize the iniative. That makes squads of HAs both easier to coordinate and deploy compared to any other class IMHO. I wouldnt go as far as saying that a HAs effectivness in groups is exponancially but the curve is steap compared to other classes. A few HAs and maybe one or two melee cav focusing on the same target = endless arrowstuns, bumps and melee attacks. Very effective and rather safe on the giving end but very annoying for the receiver.
IMO Alone the class is rather weak maybe even UP but just like Gurnisson said buffing it might make it too powerfull, especially when you coordinate your attacks.
As for the hate I think its a combination of HAs being cowards (smart) only attacking when the opponent is at a disadvantage having a hard time (being unable to) fight back. And that its common knowlage within the majority of the community that its ok, even mandatory, to say bad things about the people who play HAs. Sort of hating a minority to be accepted by the majority kinda thing. Oh and one more reason is that when a selfish player goes HA he have the means, and tend, to delay, bully peasants, attentionwhoring, trolling, "killsteal" and being a douchebag in general.
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Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but if the developers changed the goal of the battle mode from killing the entire enemy team to something else like conquering flags, horse archers could even get a little bit buffed again. Because there is no need any more to hunt them down and kill them.
But as long as the ultimate goal of the game is killing the entire enemy team, the horse archer needs to stay as weak as he is, because only few classes can do him harm, but he can do harm to all classes and some classes are completely and utterly at the HA's mercy. And HA's don't have mercy.
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Umm yeah....no offense to you or those guys, but I play all the time and I shoot horses and the people on them. They aren't a threat. Murchad is the only HA who is and its because he has played for a couple years. In fact, I'll take on any 2 HA's against GrannPappy on the ground in a best 3 of 5 if you think HA isn't UP.
I beat any HA/HX/ Archer/Xbow on ground there is.. no one stands a chance..