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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: IR_Kuoin on September 17, 2012, 07:52:01 pm
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http://www.helpivanmartin.org/#twitter to read about the case
or http://www.helpivanmartin.org/signatures to sign the petition to bring the Arma3 devs. home to finish the game :mad:
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NO. Frankly im quite sure the only reason anybody gave any shit about ARMA 2 at all was cause it had DayZ. And ARMA 3 doesnt really need the DayZ mod, since by the end of this year DayZ will have an entire standalone game coming out.
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Tell me when they make a less gay and better optimized engine and then we'll talk about cash.
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Was hard as fuck for me to get into DayZ, and even more brutal for Arma 2. I had 10 guys in teamspeak all trying to help me get used to it, and I gave up after an hour. My guy kept randomly yelling voice commands in game for no apparent reason. I tried customizing all the voice and automated commands, and it was less fun than bashing my head into a wall and becoming a eunuch.
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ahhh greece, great country with retarded people...
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is this some kind of a joke?
aren't they eu citizens and aren't greece part of eu?
this isn't cold war era ffs and greece isn't iran to pull off such crap...
maybe germans should invade greece and throw all greeks into the sea and let turks run the place :mrgreen:
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maybe germans should invade greece and throw all greeks into the sea and let turks run the place :mrgreen:
They couldn't afford the bank repayments either.
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NO. Frankly im quite sure the only reason anybody gave any shit about ARMA 2 at all was cause it had DayZ. And ARMA 3 doesnt really need the DayZ mod, since by the end of this year DayZ will have an entire standalone game coming out.
Speak for yourself. Ive been playing Arma 2 for years and ive owned it before DayZ exsisted... :wink:
As i live near a very large military base, its pretty stupid to go around and take pictures of it. What did they expect... I hope they come home soon though!
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ArmA/ArmA2/OFP have the worst engines of any games I have ever worked with. That being said, they are the only series of games that do what they do - nowhere else can you have semi-realistic combined arms combat on such a massive scale. Also, the dev team is very supportive of its modding community, a trait that is becoming increasingly rare nowadays.
I really can't emphasize how painful it is to do any nontrivial modding with their engine though. To give an example, the ACE guys (a mod which adds a ton of features, infantry units, vehicles, and weapons to the game) somewhat recently added a working CCIP pipper to some of the aircraft in the game. In order to make this work, they had to do the following:
1) Create a screen overlay and add a 'map' object to it. Map objects are normally used to (surprise) draw a map similar to what you would see on a paper map.
2) Make every object on the map invisible. This requires explicitly setting hundreds of map attributes.
3) Size the map, which is based on the island size. Since there isn't any way to directly retrieve the size of an island, they have to do this by zooming the map and doing some trig.
4) Clip the map object so that it only overlays the portion of the HUD projected on the user's screen.
5) Add a callback to the onDraw event of the map object, and render the pipper.
This is literally the only way to create an overlay that will reliably render every frame. A map object has to be used because it is the only object that offers an 'onDraw' event. Bear in mind that I'm leaving a lot of stuff out of that description too - determining the point of impact of the bomb actually requires doing numerical integration to predict the path of the bomb.
Back on topic, it's really unfortunate what happened to those two members of the dev team. A potential twenty years in prison for taking some snapshots from publicly accessible locations is bullshit.
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I wonder if they asked kindly first. Mom always said being polite works.
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is this some kind of a joke?
aren't they eu citizens and aren't greece part of eu?
this isn't cold war era ffs and greece isn't iran to pull off such crap...
maybe germans should invade greece and throw all greeks into the sea and let turks run the place :mrgreen:
I love how you get offended when I call somebody a my old friend.
But to be relevant to the thread: Greece gets actual spies frequently. It is simply true. We get 2-3 a year convicted. Call it outmoded all you want, but we are paranoid for a good god damn reason.
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I think it's Europe that should be jailing Greece instead.
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I wonder if they asked kindly first. Mom always said being polite works.
Not when you're dealing with military personnel.
Main reason why I dislike the army are people who are working in the army.
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army of robots should be great =)
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I love how you get offended when I call somebody a my old friend.
But to be relevant to the thread: Greece gets actual spies frequently. It is simply true. We get 2-3 a year convicted. Call it outmoded all you want, but we are paranoid for a good god damn reason.
Who would want to be spying on Greece and why in these times? So the reason for being paranoid is convicting people of being spies? Maybe its the other way around, people are being convicted of being spies because the country is paranoid?
That said, taking photographs of military bases is pretty fucking stupid.
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They took tourist pictures:
"Facing up to 20 years in prison, for taking pictures of an island, just like countless other tourists before them, the Czech developers are being charged with espionage. Only because they happen to work on a computer game, a game that portrays Greece as a battlefield for a fictional futuristic conflict between the USA and Iran in the year 2035. "
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They took tourist pictures:
"Facing up to 20 years in prison, for taking pictures of an island, just like countless other tourists before them, the Czech developers are being charged with espionage. Only because they happen to work on a computer game, a game that portrays Greece as a battlefield for a fictional futuristic conflict between the USA and Iran in the year 2035. "
Read the news message, although its google translated I think that clearly says that they were recording audiovisual material of military installations.
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Which is pretty fing stupid.
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Who would want to be spying on Greece and why in these times? So the reason for being paranoid is convicting people of being spies? Maybe its the other way around, people are being convicted of being spies because the country is paranoid?
That said, taking photographs of military bases is pretty fucking stupid.
No, actually most of the convicted spies are VERY clearly spies (like, paid and all). A few cases are murky, sure, but definitevly not the majority.
But to answer your question: plenty of countries. Turkey is the most frequent offender as it sends spies to photograph Greek millitary installations on border islands (many of whom are disputed, mind you, and full of oil and natural gas.) as well as sending spy drones (of whom come every couple of weeks, also manned planes)
The other frequent offenders are FYROM and Bulgaria. Sometimes Albania too, but not too frequently. They are mainly interested in the Greek installations for preventing immigrants to pass.
So again, this isn't unwarranted paranoia. You might argue that it is an overeaction, but saying this is outmodded or uneeded is pretty god damn stupid.
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And two game devs are CLEARLY spies right
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And two game devs are CLEARLY spies right
I never said they were vibe. Please read what I write a bit more carefully.
My claims:
-Greece is paranoid for a good reason.
-There ARE actual spies, so we are't unwarrantly paranoid.
-Taking pictures of military stuff is idiotic.
I am not in any way saying they should be jailed because they shouldn't...but don't say Greece is in the wrong here. If the Czech guys hadn't acted in a retarded manner, they would be enjoying their families now.
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Yeah, FYROM spying on glorious greek nation lulz
Greeks aren't glorious for more than 2 thousand years. In fact they are more lazy than Serbians. I've been to Thessaloniki and what I saw are short, hairy and lazy people all over the place.
You being Greek is probably the reason why like to hate on other minorities (blacks, homosexuals etc.) here on this forum. Feeling inadequate is the reason I guess.
In the golden era of Yugoslavia we always looked down on Greeks. There is a saying, indebted like Greek (duzan kao grk). That was way before you guys got all the financial help from Germany and other Euro countries which you enjoyed for few decades before going back to be poor nation like you always were.
You mad, poor greek chocolate chip cookie boy?
Yes, this is prime example of hate speech on my part. Something you've been doing from the start on this forum.
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I could classify the above as racism. Retarded comment anyway as a whole, guess it's that time of the month for the pretend female. Crazy Eastern European ethnic hating.
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Yeah, FYROM spying on glorious greek nation lulz
Greeks aren't glorious for more than 2 thousand years. In fact they are more lazy than Serbians. I've been to Thessaloniki and what I saw are short, hairy and lazy people all over the place.
You being Greek is probably the reason why like to hate on other minorities (blacks, homosexuals etc.) here on this forum. Feeling inadequate is the reason I guess.
In the golden era of Yugoslavia we always looked down on Greeks. There is a saying, indebted like Greek (duzan kao grk). That was way before you guys got all the financial help from Germany and other Euro countries which you enjoyed for few decades before going back to be poor nation like you always were.
You mad, poor greek chocolate chip cookie boy?
Yes, this is prime example of hate speech on my part. Something you've been doing from the start on this forum.
Actually no, I won't even grace this with a response.
You are a subhuman scum Leshma. I don't know how anyone that knows you can tolerate you irl. Die in a fire.
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Hope they never make it home so they can't make another horrible game on that horrible engine.
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Who would want to be spying on Greece and why in these times? So the reason for being paranoid is convicting people of being spies? Maybe its the other way around, people are being convicted of being spies because the country is paranoid?
That said, taking photographs of military bases is pretty fucking stupid.
That's what I was thinking. Even before the economy collapse, who would be spying on Greece's military, and why? Sounds more like a paranoid country and military proceedings, than actual catching of spies.
And I laugh at how outdated some Eastern Europeans are, you make the redneck, racist, sister fuckers of the southern USA seem enlightened.
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Crazy Eastern European ethnic hating.
That's kinda racist too :lol:
I think Greece can't really let this go simply because such is the nature of the law. Everybody knows many tourists make photos where they actually shouldn't. Some of them get caught, but even in very obvious cases of this-is-not-a-spy, the same rule should apply to everybody. They can't dismiss a case just based on the apparences. If they did, then it's more than probable that actual spies would get away using tourist covers. And on top of that, the jurisprudence would have horrible consequences.
Also, absolutely all countries would react the same if the same thing happened to them.
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Actually no, I won't even grace this with a response.
But you DID.
Ok:
Turkey dont have unmanned spydrones.
Noone takes photos or audiovisuals of military installations as spies from ANY real power. Sure some nutjobs who have saved up for a few years and bought themselves a RPG with 2 spare rockets might, but they arent going to be realistically able to cause any dmg anyway. 100% of all information a real military threat to greece could need is available by satellite, and since after the launch, the running cost of a satellite is pretty low, its THE goto method for information retrieval.
This is nothing more than small minded fascists given a little power abusing it to bully others. The game devs in question have the money to mount an actual terrorist attack, and like all others preparing for a strike, if they had any intentions of violence they would prepare using satellite imagery, ESPECIALLY devs of an ARMA game, they are probably more aware of strategic and realistic possibilities than any greek joke soldier.
Also, absolutely all countries would react the same if the same thing happened to them.
No, only ones with very limited IQ vetting of the armed forces.
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But you DID.
Ok:
Turkey dont have unmanned spydrones.
Noone takes photos or audiovisuals of military installations as spies from ANY real power. Sure some nutjobs who have saved up for a few years and bought themselves a RPG with 2 spare rockets might, but they arent going to be realistically able to cause any dmg anyway. 100% of all information a real military threat to greece could need is available by satellite, and since after the launch, the running cost of a satellite is pretty low, its THE goto method for information retrieval.
This is nothing more than small minded fascists given a little power abusing it to bully others. The game devs in question have the money to mount an actual terrorist attack, and like all others preparing for a strike, if they had any intentions of violence they would prepare using satellite imagery, ESPECIALLY devs of an ARMA game, they are probably more aware of strategic and realistic possibilities than any greek joke soldier.
No, only ones with very limited IQ vetting of the armed forces.
This is true, but they still can't let this go.
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The Greek are just pissed that the game will make it obvious that in 20 years they will use the same military equipment they use today - which they probably already use for 20 years.
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The Greek are obviously hiding something because they are so paranoid... Maybe they don't want us know that they used all Europe's money on military equipment and weapons systems :mrgreen:
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The Greek are obviously hiding something because they are so paranoid... Maybe they don't want us know that they used all Europe's money on military equipment and weapons systems :mrgreen:
I thought we used them to buy yachts and never work! D:
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I thought we used them to buy yachts and never work! D:
Nah that's short sighted. Buy tanks n' stuff => conquer all of europe (whose defences are weakened by the money crisis) => make others work to make economy healthy => take all money => buy new yachts whenever you want, never work for the rest of your life, your children's life and their children's life :mrgreen:
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Nah that's short sighted. Buy tanks n' stuff => conquer all of europe (whose defences are weakened by the money crisis) => make others work to make economy healthy => take all money => buy new yachts whenever you want, never work for the rest of your life, your children's life and their children's life :mrgreen:
Yessssss. GREASE STRONG. SMASH!