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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: WhiteAndMilky on September 16, 2012, 08:16:39 am
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Title says it, I don't see why this would be an issue. It does 2 less pierce damage than a heavy lance, and is about as long as a practice lance or red tassel/war spear. It would be more for fun than usefulness, as you probably wouldn't be riding anything more than say a rouncey while using this on horseback.
Just a thought. I've got a little crush on this weapon at the moment.
EDIT: I did forget about the distance change from holding a weapon in the middle as opposed to the end. but you could hold the flamberge from the upper grip, like you do when thrusting with it normally, just with 1 hand instead.
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Because it is 152 length, with the +80 from stab animation that makes 232. Making it the longest stabbing weapon allowed on horseback (if implemented) since the great lance is 230.
Or does it have the same stab as the polearms? In which case it's still over 200. I think since it would be mounted, it would use the 1h stab anim - I could be wrong though.
However, if stab were disabled and you could only swing while mounted... hmm...
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Because it is 152 length, with the +80 from stab animation that makes 232. Making it the longest stabbing weapon allowed on horseback (if implemented) since the great lance is 230.
Or does it have the same stab as the polearms? In which case it's still over 200. I think since it would be mounted, it would use the 1h stab anim - I could be wrong though.
However, if stab were disabled and you could only swing while mounted... hmm...
swinging that thing from horseback would be insanely overpowered. I just meant using the sword with the lance animation. And I don't think +80 is correct...
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As a flamberge user i say No.
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I suggested the same for the greatswords some time ago.
That would simulate this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koncerz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koncerz) rather well. And unlike a flamberge on horseback it wouldn't look completely retarded.
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1h flamberge with crushtrough needed
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Because it is 152 length, with the +80 from stab animation that makes 232. Making it the longest stabbing weapon allowed on horseback (if implemented) since the great lance is 230.
Or does it have the same stab as the polearms? In which case it's still over 200. I think since it would be mounted, it would use the 1h stab anim - I could be wrong though.
However, if stab were disabled and you could only swing while mounted... hmm...
Hold on now. I don't agree with the idea, but this math is incorrect.
The lances also get a massive bonus to their reach on horseback (the same the flammy would get) and have a greater base length. so they would still outreach it.
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Possably... I only had a vague idea of the length values on foot, not while mounted, so I only went with what I had. Either way, it gave a vague idea that it would be OP.
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iirc the stab bonus for 2Hers are about 80, and the stab for polearms IF used in one hand is +61-ish, which is why Hoplites always stab farther then their normal brethren using the same weapons (And why the Bamboo spear with a shield is so lulzy).
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Because it is 152 length, with the +80 from stab animation that makes 232. Making it the longest stabbing weapon allowed on horseback (if implemented) since the great lance is 230.
Or does it have the same stab as the polearms? In which case it's still over 200. I think since it would be mounted, it would use the 1h stab anim - I could be wrong though.
However, if stab were disabled and you could only swing while mounted... hmm...
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iirc the stab bonus for 2Hers are about 80, and the stab for polearms IF used in one hand is +61-ish, which is why Hoplites always stab farther then their normal brethren using the same weapons (And why the Bamboo spear with a shield is so lulzy).
But also the flamberge is unique in that it doesn't stab like a normal 2h sword. It uses a polearm animation where he grips it much further up the sword. That's why the flamberge right swing is the longest attack, and not the thrust.
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Yes, but if it were used on horseback, it would use the 1h stab animation, thus gaining the 1h stab length.
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Yes, but if it were used on horseback, it would use the 1h stab animation, thus gaining the 1h stab length.
If it WERE actually a problem, which I don't see it being one.... Here is your solution, which has been in my original post since your first response.
EDIT: I did forget about the distance change from holding a weapon in the middle as opposed to the end. but you could hold the flamberge from the upper grip, like you do when thrusting with it normally, just with 1 hand instead.
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Flamberge on a horseback? I can see the realism in that.
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That's not a solution, since it's not possible - at least, I don't believe it's possible.
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Would look silly.
From the historical side its total bullshit.
Would be OP with swing.
Would be UP without swing.
To conclude:
I see no fuckin reason why this junk should be added.
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Although I am supporting the attitude that "It's realistic" or "it's historic" is not an argument for things which would break the balance, I think that "It isn't historic or realistic" can indeed be an argument against things which don't have anything to do with balance.
Why would someone use a Flamberge on horseback when he is only able to stab with it? I guess those swords weren't really viable for stabbing at all, because their blade was not stiff enough most likely. I don't have any facts for that, but it's how I imagine it, because from what I saw those Flamberges often had a blade which was rather "whobbling" or "bending", similar to the rotor of a helicopter.
But I do agree if some other two handed weapons should be usable from horseback, with the needed balancing of course, because it was historically accurate. You can see knights wielding two handed swords on horseback here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLOxbCJFvM) for example.
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But I do agree if some other two handed weapons should be usable from horseback, with the needed balancing of course, because it was historically accurate. You can see knights wielding two handed swords on horseback here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbLOxbCJFvM) for example.
Watched the clip. Isn't that a longsword he's using?
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Watched the clip. Isn't that a longsword he's using?
It's something in that direction. I can't really tell if it's a 1½-hander or a pure 2-hander. :?
I think at some point the lines are flowing, because in the end the strength of the wielder decides whether it is a 1½-hander or a 2-hander...
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It's something in that direction. I can't really tell if it's a 1½-hander or a pure 2-hander. :?
I think at some point the lines are flowing, because in the end the strength of the wielder decides whether it is a 1½-hander or a 2-hander...
True. Although toss in height and weight too.