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cRPG => Ban/Unban Requests => Closed Requests => Topic started by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 10:07:43 am

Title: Request Unban
Post by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 10:07:43 am
I was recently banned from community for jokingly saying "friend" to a person writing a paragraph creating a flame war defending the word. It appears maybe it was not a very good time to say it, but I do apologize as community is my favorite crpg server.

And as looking at the rules for the server, it was my first offense of alleged racism, and I should not have been permabanned, and looking at OssumPawesome_Astralis's story, neither should have he.

name banned was "DZ29_Cunt"

Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Hippy on August 06, 2012, 10:09:03 am
Cunt got banned!?  :oops: But I love him!
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: OssumPawesome on August 06, 2012, 10:15:50 am
also see http://forum.meleegaming.com/na-%28community%29/unban-request-ossumpawesome_astralis-and-dbz_cunt/

I'd hardly constitute what I said as a "flame war," but I support this unban request.  Mistress_Aupilia was way out of line this time.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 10:21:44 am
To be honest it did sound like you were trying to start one, but it is a bit ridiculous how quick somebody is to think "oh my god, he said that word, must be racist!" When in actuality, I don't give a shit what color skin you are, it's a word, completely out of context, and if you are too concerned with getting your weekly ban quota, then you are completely wrong.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: OssumPawesome on August 06, 2012, 10:32:19 am
I like how i support your unban request and in return you try to make me appear the source of the issue.  I was engaging a mod about a rule I think is silly stemming from a politically incorrect concept which I think is silly.  You, on the other hand, said "shut up, friend."  Thank you for your contribution to the discussion, bud. 
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 10:34:36 am
does it really matter? she was wrong.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Auphilia on August 06, 2012, 10:36:08 am
They were both warned twice not to be racist after I received a complaint.

The only thing I did wrong was not banning/kicking them immediately on the first offense. I tried to be nice so we could all just play and have fun in a respectable manner, but apparently that was not enough for these two.

Rules regarding racism:


-Racism-
We have a zero tolerance Racism policy, this includes comments, names, allegories, anything that is racist in any way!

-Recommended Action-
1st offense: Player told to change name and immediately kicked.
2nd offense: If any other racist situation occurs with player, Immediate ban without warning. No time-frame for unban given.

Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 10:38:00 am
I was never warned, I am not entirely sure about OssumPawesome_Astralis, but I was not, this was the first time I have ever said the word, if you want to look at the logs, be my guest, but you seem to be mistaken.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: OssumPawesome on August 06, 2012, 10:40:05 am
who did you receive a complaint from?  The only one I saw upset in the chat was you, Auphilia.  You know this ban is too severe, undeserved, and not called for by anyone except yourself. 
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 10:41:56 am
to add on to what he said, ignoring the problem seriously cannot replace the auto kick, his ban should be revoked as well for that cause.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Auphilia on August 06, 2012, 10:44:40 am
No one complained but me?

Here is a nice screen shot of both of you being racist, and someone poll kicking and another person asking you two to stop again. This was after I warned everyone not to be racist twice.
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 10:47:29 am
and do you have the screenshot of me saying anything beforehand? oh that's right because I never did. you were wrong on two levels. first. no warning. second, no autokick. you just permabanned. That is completely against the rules and I request you revoke it immediately.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: OssumPawesome on August 06, 2012, 10:48:28 am
I think given what agrozuto said in chat (I dare not repeat it) I think its fair to say that it was a joke poll.  Is the complaint you're claiming happened here "seriously guys stop"? I assumed that was in reference to the kick.  I don't see anyone upset by what either of us said.  Besides auphilia, of course.

What I do see is at the very bottom is someone already beginning to question this permaban.  Thank you for that screenshot, Auphilia.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: OssumPawesome on August 06, 2012, 10:50:02 am
also I'd like to mention no ban length specified does not equate to immediate permanent ban.  I feel it would be foolish to assume anyone should be permabanned for any action that involves merely typing in chat.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Auphilia on August 06, 2012, 10:56:07 am
Community admins can only ban for 1 hour, or permanently.

You will both be unbanned at a later date. However, it will definitely be longer than an hour.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 10:58:50 am
No, it needs to be switched to a kick. BECAUSE THAT IS THE RULES.

_1st offense: Player told to change name and immediately kicked.
never happened
_2nd offense: If any other racist situation occurs with player, Immediate ban without warning. No time-frame for unban given.
No other racist situation occured, banned.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: OssumPawesome on August 06, 2012, 10:59:57 am
and then two guys who said the n word were banned for an arbitrary unspecified length of time.  thanks for all your hard work Auphilia - saving the world one day at a time.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Hippy on August 06, 2012, 11:24:29 am
That's a bit ridiculous your logic Aupi, no disrespect since I'm assuming you got admin because you earned it, but the rules do state a kick on first terms, and the screeny you have doesn't show that Possum's use of the "N" word was out of context since he was stating it as a social problem we allow these words to be offensive, and not being racist in anyway.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Auphilia on August 06, 2012, 11:44:40 am
I warned everyone not to be racist or even remotely racist twice. They continued to do so despite this.

More on Racism, copied from the NA_Community server rules:
(click to show/hide)

If they want to use offensive words and discuss controversial material, they should do so outside of a community that has rules against such behavior. After being warned twice, neither of them have excuses. We do not tolerate any forms of racism, whether it be direct or indirect.

Also keep in mind, that the rules state a recommended action, not an indefinite action in all situations pertaining to said rules. My actions were two warnings stating that racism will not be tolerated in any form and that those who continue will be banned, followed by the bans. They refused to follow the rules, they refused to heed the warnings, and as consequence they are both banned.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Emotion on August 06, 2012, 04:33:01 pm
I'll talk with Auphillia and get this straightened out. Now, I'm not saying that you will instantly be unbanned, but i'll check the logs and see what is needed. I will post here later today or tomorrow with an answer.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Emotion on August 06, 2012, 04:44:47 pm
I cannot unban while at work. Although Auphillia was a little harsh, she did not break the rules. You will be unbanned today when I get a hold of the server owner.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 09:44:56 pm
I thank you very much for your insight on this.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Seren on August 06, 2012, 10:15:16 pm
I was on the server when it happened. Auphilia's actions weren't harsh at all, she warned at multiples occasion in the admin chat about racism comments, and stuff, and all they were doing is trolling him with other racism context.  Anyways, why would you discuss something as big as the 'n' word on a game? xD 

The rules are plain and simple, but now they don't matter anymore, I guess, if Noodles is unbanning them calling Auphilia's actions harsh, I guess I'll go all crazy with the 'n' word and expect no consequences.


Cunt got banned!?  :oops: But I love him!

That's a bit ridiculous your logic Aupi, no disrespect since I'm assuming you got admin because you earned it, but the rules do state a kick on first terms, and the screeny you have doesn't show that Possum's use of the "N" word was out of context since he was stating it as a social problem we allow these words to be offensive, and not being racist in anyway.

Very biased, IMO.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: failtolawl on August 06, 2012, 10:30:11 pm
The rules are plain and simple, but now they don't matter anymore, I guess, if Noodles is unbanning them calling Auphilia's actions harsh, I guess I'll go all crazy with the 'n' word and expect no consequences.

No, you would and should expect to be punished in proper steps according the the rules.
Warning.
Kick.

do it again?
Ban.

We were not kicked, it has already been settled, not entirely sure why this pertains to you.
Title: Re: Request Unban
Post by: Emotion on August 07, 2012, 01:57:06 pm
I could not get a hold of the owner last night. I should be able to get you unbanned tonight.